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Reply #150 posted 02/20/19 9:24am

hausofmoi7

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IanRG said:



hausofmoi7 said:


IanRG said:


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That is a copout - You are not from Venezuela either and your thread is to address Venezuela. There is absolutely nothing racist about seeking to stop the racists based violence by Maduro's security forces:


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It is absolutely racist, classists and apauling beyond belief that you would dismiss when socialists in Venezuela are saying Maduro's security force's actions are "repressive and systematic practices in poor sectors (extrajudicial executions, illegal raids, torture and ill-treatment, threats) in the last five years by the PNB and other security forces, as well as the high number of deaths occurring in just four days, shows that state security bodies are fixed in a pattern of class-based and racist actions, that has been consolidated since 2013. The poor areas are seen as occupied territories and populations which need containing, all in a context of a growing socio-economic and political crisis



Not true. I have spoken to people from Venezuela. You are lying, or at least misinformed. You just need to oppose war Ian. End of story. Go sort Australian politics, it needs more help than Venezuela. Otherwise you sound very racist giving out a list a conditions for the elected government of Venezuela. It’s not up to you. . . [Edited 2/20/19 9:09am]

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It is you who is misinformed - I have shown so many of your sources as selective and incomplete.


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I oppose violence and war from all sides - you do not if it is by your ideological side.


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There is nothing racist about a person from Australia discussing Venezuela whilst recognising Australia's failings. Nothing I have said sounds racist - you, on the other hand, have openly stated you cannot condemn Cuba for its physical and economic violence against the poorest black people in Cuba because you have a soft spot for its government.



Provide the link.
You don’t have it because we never discussed race relations in Cuba...EVER.

Provide the link to show everyone you are not a liar.
Show me the quote I made about race in Cuba?


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"It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non-violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection" – Lesley Hazleton on the first muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #151 posted 02/20/19 9:29am

IanRG

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I spoke to an indegenious Venezuelan organiser who works in Australia with the Australian indegenious community. Im more inclined to believe them than you. Don't lecture blacks on our politics.

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So your source is a person in Australia who is not in Venezuela!!!!!!!

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And you think that is more reliable than actual people in Venezuela in 2019 directly working with the adverse effects of Maduro's security force violence.

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Don't be racist: Indigenous Venezuelans are not your race and pointing out your selling out of the poor black population in Cuba is not lecturing, it is recognising deplorable acts where they occur.

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Reply #152 posted 02/20/19 9:33am

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IanRG said:



hausofmoi7 said:


I spoke to an indegenious Venezuelan organiser who works in Australia with the Australian indegenious community. Im more inclined to believe them than you. Don't lecture blacks on our politics.

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So your source is a person in Australia who is not in Venezuela!!!!!


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And you think that is more reliable than actual people in Venezuela in 2019 directly working with the adverse effects of Maduro's security force violence.


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Don't be racist: Indigenous Venezuelans are not your race and pointing out your selling out of the poor black population in Cuba is not lecturing, it is recognising deplorable acts where they occur.

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It’s not your race either.
Although like Venezuelans the country I was born in has a similar history of slavery and racial mixture.
Still it’s not my country I know, but it’s not yours either.

Let me guess you can’t find the quote I made about race in Cuba? Because I never made one.

I have said I like Fidel Castro in general and what he achieved for his people.
I’m ok with that.

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"It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non-violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection" – Lesley Hazleton on the first muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #153 posted 02/20/19 9:40am

IanRG

hausofmoi7 said:

IanRG said:

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It is you who is misinformed - I have shown so many of your sources as selective and incomplete.

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I oppose violence and war from all sides - you do not if it is by your ideological side.

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There is nothing racist about a person from Australia discussing Venezuela whilst recognising Australia's failings. Nothing I have said sounds racist - you, on the other hand, have openly stated you cannot condemn Cuba for its physical and economic violence against the poorest black people in Cuba because you have a soft spot for its government.

Provide the link. You don’t have it because we never discussed race relations in Cuba...EVER. Provide the link to show everyone you are not a liar. Show me the quote I made about race in Cuba? . [Edited 2/20/19 9:27am]

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It was in your thread "Scandinavis and Canada are not socialist dictatorships". As you edit out you most offensive posts on a regular basis, it may not be there - but you and I know you said it.

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Reply #154 posted 02/20/19 9:46am

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IanRG said:



hausofmoi7 said:


IanRG said:


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It is you who is misinformed - I have shown so many of your sources as selective and incomplete.


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I oppose violence and war from all sides - you do not if it is by your ideological side.


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There is nothing racist about a person from Australia discussing Venezuela whilst recognising Australia's failings. Nothing I have said sounds racist - you, on the other hand, have openly stated you cannot condemn Cuba for its physical and economic violence against the poorest black people in Cuba because you have a soft spot for its government.



Provide the link. You don’t have it because we never discussed race relations in Cuba...EVER. Provide the link to show everyone you are not a liar. Show me the quote I made about race in Cuba? . [Edited 2/20/19 9:27am]

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It was in your thread "Scandinavis and Canada are not socialist dictatorships". As you edit out you most offensive posts on a regular basis, it may not be there - but you and I know you said it.


No
Get the quote.
You don’t just throw accusations and then back away.
I’m not even familiar with race relations in Cuba that’s why I know I never said it.



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Reply #155 posted 02/20/19 9:47am

IanRG

hausofmoi7 said:

IanRG said:

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So your source is a person in Australia who is not in Venezuela!!!!!!!

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And you think that is more reliable than actual people in Venezuela in 2019 directly working with the adverse effects of Maduro's security force violence.

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Don't be racist: Indigenous Venezuelans are not your race and pointing out your selling out of the poor black population in Cuba is not lecturing, it is recognising deplorable acts where they occur.

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It’s not your race either. Although like Venezuelans the country I was born in has a similar history of slavery and racial mixture. Still it’s not my country I know, but it’s not yours either. Let me guess you can’t find the quote I made about race in Cuba? Because I never made one. . [Edited 2/20/19 9:40am]

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My point exactly - You falsely accuse people of being racist for not being a Venezuelan when both of us are not and you started the thread!!!!

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There is nothing racist about speaking about the human rights abuses by Maduro's security forces.

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You know you said you have a soft spot for Cuba and you initially dismissed the racism in Cuba in the thread I said you did above.

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Let me guess: you still cannot condemn the real violence by Maduro's security forces reported by people there who are not on the opposition's side either because you spoke to a person in Australia?

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Reply #156 posted 02/20/19 9:50am

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IanRG said:



hausofmoi7 said:


IanRG said:


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So your source is a person in Australia who is not in Venezuela!!!!!


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And you think that is more reliable than actual people in Venezuela in 2019 directly working with the adverse effects of Maduro's security force violence.


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Don't be racist: Indigenous Venezuelans are not your race and pointing out your selling out of the poor black population in Cuba is not lecturing, it is recognising deplorable acts where they occur.


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It’s not your race either. Although like Venezuelans the country I was born in has a similar history of slavery and racial mixture. Still it’s not my country I know, but it’s not yours either. Let me guess you can’t find the quote I made about race in Cuba? Because I never made one. . [Edited 2/20/19 9:40am]

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My point exactly - You falsely accuse people of being racist for not being a Venezuelan when both of us are not and you started the thread!!!!


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There is nothing racist about speaking about the human rights abuses by Maduro's security forces.


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You know you said you have a soft spot for Cuba and you initially dismissed the racism in Cuba in the thread I said you did above.


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Let me guess: you still cannot condemn the real violence by Maduro's security forces reported by people there who are not on the opposition's side either because you spoke to a person in Australia?


I’m black ( or mixed race depending who you ask)
So you don’t get to lecture me about my race or call me racist for being in solidarity with Venezuela.


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"It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non-violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection" – Lesley Hazleton on the first muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #157 posted 02/20/19 9:53am

IanRG

hausofmoi7 said:

IanRG said:

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It was in your thread "Scandinavis and Canada are not socialist dictatorships". As you edit out you most offensive posts on a regular basis, it may not be there - but you and I know you said it.

No no no. Get the quote. I never said it. Proof you are a liar

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Look back at the number of offensive posts you have reduced to a dot just in the last few hours and tell me you don't edit posts after the event - you said it, you know you did. You removed it by editing it out, like you so often do.

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Reply #158 posted 02/20/19 9:56am

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IanRG said:



hausofmoi7 said:


IanRG said:


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It was in your thread "Scandinavis and Canada are not socialist dictatorships". As you edit out you most offensive posts on a regular basis, it may not be there - but you and I know you said it.



No no no. Get the quote. I never said it. Proof you are a liar

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Look back at the number of offensive posts you have reduced to a dot just in the last few hours and tell me you don't edit posts after the event - you said it, you know you did. You removed it by editing it out, like you so often do.




If I edited it since this thread was started it would be time stamped.
But I never did.
You are lying as usual.
Get the quote I’m serious, I have never ever said anything like that.
Is this how low you have to go to win an argument?



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Reply #159 posted 02/20/19 10:00am

IanRG

hausofmoi7 said:

IanRG said:

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My point exactly - You falsely accuse people of being racist for not being a Venezuelan when both of us are not and you started the thread!!!!

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There is nothing racist about speaking about the human rights abuses by Maduro's security forces.

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You know you said you have a soft spot for Cuba and you initially dismissed the racism in Cuba in the thread I said you did above.

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Let me guess: you still cannot condemn the real violence by Maduro's security forces reported by people there who are not on the opposition's side either because you spoke to a person in Australia?

I’m black ( or mixed race depending who you ask) So you don’t get to lecture me about my race or call me racist for being in solidarity with Venezuela. . [Edited 2/20/19 9:52am]

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I don't care what race you claim to be. I am in solidarity with the socialist collectives in Venezuela. You are in solidarity with the people the Venezuelan socialist collectives accuse of "repressive and systematic practices in poor sectors (extrajudicial executions, illegal raids, torture and ill-treatment, threats) in the last five years by the PNB and other security forces, as well as the high number of deaths occurring in just four days, shows that state security bodies are fixed in a pattern of class-based and racist actions, that has been consolidated since 2013. The poor areas are seen as occupied territories and populations which need containing, all in a context of a growing socio-economic and political crisis.

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The colour of your skin does not excuse human rights abuses by people with different skin colour, or even the same skin colour - That is <insert your race> supremacist.

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Reply #160 posted 02/20/19 10:06am

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IanRG said:

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Look back at the number of offensive posts you have reduced to a dot just in the last few hours and tell me you don't edit posts after the event - you said it, you know you did. You removed it by editing it out, like you so often do.

If I edited it since this thread was started it would be time stamped. But I never did. You are lying as usual. Get the quote I’m serious, I have never ever said anything like that. . [Edited 2/20/19 9:59am]

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No, try to keep up. The comment was made in different thread. Yes, you are correct that it would time stamped - just like the timestamped posts you have made here that you removed the offensive content and replaced them with dots.

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Just on page one of the Scandinavian thread, 16 of your posts have timestamped edits.

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You said it. You know it. Stop pretending just because you know should not have said it and edited it out (in one of the many posts with timestamps.

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Reply #161 posted 02/20/19 10:18am

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Don’t try and back out now I’m pushing you.
If You throw an accusation then back it up.
I would never have said something like that about race relations in any context.




None of those edits on that page were even made this year when this thread started.
Did I time travel?




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Reply #162 posted 02/20/19 6:03pm

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Don’t try and back out now I’m pushing you. If You throw an accusation then back it up. I would never have said something like that about race relations in any context. None of those edits on that page were even made this year when this thread started. Did I time travel? . [Edited 2/20/19 10:59am]

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Don't know why you think I am backing down - I am not. You said it. You know you said it You know edited it out before you got the thread locked. Knowing you edited it out back then, you know I can't show the quote.

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Don't know why you think you are pushing me - You are not, this is just a standard hausofmoi tactic to change the topic when you know your points have exposed for their weaknesses. It is all because you have tried the race card, you have tried the I've spoken to an unnamed person outside of Venezuela but ultimately your arguments have not addressed what:

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- Amnesty International said about the overall violence (not just by one side),

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- the Red Cross said about it having a tough task to get Maduro to allow more aid,

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- Alfred de Zayas said about Venezuela (not just on the ineffectiveness and cruelty of sanctions),

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- The socialists collectives in Venezuela have said about the systematic race and class basd violence by Maduro's security forces violence, or

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- Vincent Bevins said to ensure his comments could not be confused with supporting Maduro's actions.

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Don't why you need to time travel to edit when you know you said it and you know you edited it out that day - just as you did so many times in this thread so shortly after each offensive post.

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Still no humanity left in you to condemn people from your side for their violence?

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Reply #163 posted 02/20/19 7:05pm

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The thread is actually not locked I’m about to post it.
Also it hasn’t been edited since October /November 2018.

No I didn’t edit it that out.
You lied and thought I wouldn’t find the thread.
Nice try.




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Reply #164 posted 02/20/19 7:13pm

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I’m just reading the thread now.
You mentioned racism and socialism and I said:

Didnt even cite Cuba’s race relations.
I was curious which socialist countries you were referring to.
Considering there are no real socialist countries, Cuba is the closet to a socialist country that there is.
I that said in a socialist society people’s hateful opinions wouldn’t have as much power.
Due to the egalitarian structure of society and the laws that would prohibit the ability to exploit or subjugate others.
Cuba has issues involving race, sure I don’t disagree.
But your hyperbolic claim that it’s worse than Australia and America is farcical.
“Real racism” in Cuba as you claim.



I said in a socialist society you probably couldn’t be racist due to the egalitarian structure.
I didn’t disagree there would still be racism in Cuba but with an egalitarian society you couldn’t be a racist. An irrelevant asshole perhaps.

But that is not what you said I said. Was it?



Furthermore I added in November 2018;

Name something I have made an excuse for?

The worst anyone can claim is I have in my lifetime expressed support for Fidel Castro.
I actually oppose violence as a political tactic which is why this conflicts me.
But I still love Fidel Castro.
I can admit that.

What is exactly my side?
Poor people?
Working people?



What are you even talking about?




You completely fabricated and attributed something I didn’t say to discredit this discussion about Venezuela





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Reply #165 posted 02/20/19 7:49pm

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The thread is actually not locked I’m about to post it. Also it hasn’t been edited since October /November 2018. No I didn’t edit it that out. You lied and thought I wouldn’t find the thread. Nice try. . [Edited 2/20/19 19:07pm]

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You said it, ypou removed just like you removedso many things yesterday, you know it.

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That you removed in just after you wrote it is just how you post - look at the number of times you did it yesterday

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Reply #166 posted 02/20/19 7:53pm

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IanRG said:



hausofmoi7 said:


The thread is actually not locked I’m about to post it. Also it hasn’t been edited since October /November 2018. No I didn’t edit it that out. You lied and thought I wouldn’t find the thread. Nice try. . [Edited 2/20/19 19:07pm]

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You said it, ypou removed just like you removedso many things yesterday, you know it.


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That you removed in just after you wrote it is just how you post - look at the number of times you did it yesterday



I didn’t say it.
You didn’t think I would go find the thread.
You said above you thought it was locked.
It’s not.

Next time before you lie on someone make sure you check the thread is really locked.
What you said I said wasn’t even necessarily offensive but it’s not something I would ever say


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Reply #167 posted 02/20/19 8:03pm

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I’m just reading the thread now. You mentioned racism and socialism and I said:
Didnt even cite Cuba’s race relations. I was curious which socialist countries you were referring to. Considering there are no real socialist countries, Cuba is the closet to a socialist country that there is. I that said in a socialist society people’s hateful opinions wouldn’t have as much power. Due to the egalitarian structure of society and the laws that would prohibit the ability to exploit or subjugate others. Cuba has issues involving race, sure I don’t disagree. But your hyperbolic claim that it’s worse than Australia and America is farcical. “Real racism” in Cuba as you claim.
I said in a socialist society you probably couldn’t be racist due to the egalitarian structure. I didn’t disagree there would still be racism in Cuba but with an egalitarian society you couldn’t be a racist. An irrelevant asshole perhaps. But that is not what you said I said. Was it? Furthermore I added in November 2018;
Name something I have made an excuse for? The worst anyone can claim is I have in my lifetime expressed support for Fidel Castro. I actually oppose violence as a political tactic which is why this conflicts me. But I still love Fidel Castro. I can admit that. What is exactly my side? Poor people? Working people? What are you even talking about?
You completely fabricated and attributed something I didn’t say to discredit this discussion about Venezuela . [Edited 2/20/19 19:40pm]

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The dishonesty is all yours: you said it, your then removed it, you know it. Just like you said so many things yesterday and removed them whilst I was replying.

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Have the courage to admit your initial posts or don't post them and then remove them so quickly.

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All this song and dance is because you cannot answer what:

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- Amnesty International said about the overall violence (not just by one side),

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- the Red Cross said about it having a tough task to get Maduro to allow more aid,

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- Alfred de Zayas said about Venezuela (not just on the ineffectiveness and cruelty of sanctions),

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- The socialists collectives in Venezuela have said about the systematic race and class basd violence by Maduro's security forces, or

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- Vincent Bevins said to ensure his comments could not be confused with supporting Maduro's actions.

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We can end the Cuban issue if you condemn the Cuban government and people right here and right now for the racist physical and economic attacks on the poorest black communities in Cuba (Not for anything else, just this violence). Anyway, what you have posted proves my point - You find yourself conflicted when you shoud not be conflicted - you should be condeming what is occuring in Cuba and in Venezuela - The only way one system is better than another is in how it responds when failures like these occur.

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Reply #168 posted 02/20/19 8:09pm

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hausofmoi7 said:

IanRG said:

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You said it, ypou removed just like you removedso many things yesterday, you know it.

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That you removed in just after you wrote it is just how you post - look at the number of times you did it yesterday

I didn’t say it. You didn’t think I would go find the thread. You said above you thought it was locked. It’s not. Next time before you lie on someone make sure you check the thread is really locked. What you said I said wasn’t even necessarily offensive but it’s not something I would ever say . [Edited 2/20/19 20:02pm]

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Why would I point you to the thread if I didn't think you would then find it? That makes no sense

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I agree that I was wrong about it being locked - my mistake - You should learn from seeing how people can admit errors. You don't have to go through your editing and jumping up and down - you just say "I was wrong".

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Anyway all this hausofmoi distraction (been here too many times) is just avoiding the above.

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Reply #169 posted 02/22/19 2:31am

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President Nelson Mandela's address at the opening of the Southern African Cuba Solidarity Conference in Johannesburg in October

We have come together as Southern Africans to acknowledge a history of struggle and the legends of internationalists who contributed to our victory. In this sense, this first-ever Southern Africa-Cuba Solidarity Conference constitutes an expression of the region's fulfilment: that at last we can meet not merely as victims of colonialism, apartheid and underdevelopment seeking the solidarity of others.

Rather, we meet as free peoples, to acknowledge that our freedom and sovereignty as nations are incomplete if others are subjected to privations. Our efforts to build a better life are the poorer if others are denied the environment to peruse their aspirations.

It is both opportune and natural that among the first beneficiaries of our humble act of solidarity should be the people of Cuba. As Southern Africans, we are deeply indebted to the Cuban people for the selfless contribution they made to the anti-colonial and anti-apartheid struggle in our region.

https://omalley.nelsonman...v03112.htm


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Reply #170 posted 02/23/19 4:51am

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hausofmoi7 said:

President Nelson Mandela's address at the opening of the Southern African Cuba Solidarity Conference in Johannesburg in October We have come together as Southern Africans to acknowledge a history of struggle and the legends of internationalists who contributed to our victory. In this sense, this first-ever Southern Africa-Cuba Solidarity Conference constitutes an expression of the region's fulfilment: that at last we can meet not merely as victims of colonialism, apartheid and underdevelopment seeking the solidarity of others. Rather, we meet as free peoples, to acknowledge that our freedom and sovereignty as nations are incomplete if others are subjected to privations. Our efforts to build a better life are the poorer if others are denied the environment to peruse their aspirations. It is both opportune and natural that among the first beneficiaries of our humble act of solidarity should be the people of Cuba. As Southern Africans, we are deeply indebted to the Cuban people for the selfless contribution they made to the anti-colonial and anti-apartheid struggle in our region.
https://omalley.nelsonman...v03112.htm [Edited 2/22/19 2:51am]

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You actually know that the speech was given nearly a quarter century ago between a president who retired in 1999 and another in 2008. These two both died a while ago. Yet you think that this is means you can get away with having a soft spot for Castro so you are conflicted and unable to condemn Cuba's current physical and economic violence agsainst its poorest community: its African Cubans. This sellout of the poor and marginalised in more than one country just because of your political bias is deplorable. But thanks for further confirming what I said about you being unable to condemn Cuba for its human rights abuses is not a lie.

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Reply #171 posted 02/27/19 7:15pm

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Why Venezuela’s chavistas are loyal to the revolution.
class and race at the centre of support for the socialist party of Venezuela.



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Reply #172 posted 02/27/19 11:55pm

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in a nutshell it's this again


Trump turns from 'whining' grief to pathetic midterm sissy moaning and squealing.
weakest pussy crybaby ever to hold office LMFAO
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Reply #173 posted 02/28/19 12:07am

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BombSquad said:

in a nutshell it's this again



Pretty much.
I know that there is a principle that is paramount here.
Irrespective of ideology there is a code of ethic, a basic level of decency and a respect for sovereignty and self determination that is the most important thing here.

Im not going to front though. there is something about this particular situation that feels personal.
I do have an affinity for the Bolivarian revolution.
I’m probably to the left of the Venezuelan government but I still support them whole heartedly.
If they don’t win there is no hope for some of us.





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"It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non-violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection" – Lesley Hazleton on the first muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #174 posted 02/28/19 12:28am

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BombSquad said:

in a nutshell it's this again




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“You’re so articulate!”




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"It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non-violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection" – Lesley Hazleton on the first muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #175 posted 02/28/19 5:28am

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Why Venezuela’s chavistas are loyal to the revolution. class and race at the centre of support for the socialist party of Venezuela. [Edited 2/27/19 19:16pm]

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Hooray, you finally found something from 2019!!!!!

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Did you read the description of it? It says

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Violence has broken out in Venezuela as opposition groups, led by Juan Guaido, attempt to bring in foreign aid against the will of President Nicolas Maduro.

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Despite international support for Guaido, a fiercely loyal minority of Venezuelans known as Chavistas are determined to keep Maduro in power -- and the U.S. out. Special correspondent Nadja Drost and videographer Bruno Federico report.

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This shows two key things you have been denying:

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Firstly the violence is described as being as a result of Venzuelan attempts to bring in humanitarian foreign aid being stopped by Maduro. People are being denied required medical supplies etc. because Maduro is limiting aid - including Maduro limiting aid through the Red Cross, not just aid with strings.

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Secondly, you have been arguing, Trump style, that the Chavistas are the majority. Clearly not.

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This still leaves you unable to see past your conflicted morality to condemn the evil done by political parties you support - even to the point of selling out the poor and marginalised in Venezuela and Cuba and ignoring Amnesty International, real socialists actually working for those Maduro's security forces are attacking etc.

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Trump's fiercely loyal minority of MAGA cap wearers is not a good argument for his racism, it is not a good argument for Maduro's either: You are in solidarity with the people the Venezuelan socialist collectives accuse of "repressive and systematic practices in poor sectors (extrajudicial executions, illegal raids, torture and ill-treatment, threats) in the last five years by the PNB and other security forces, as well as the high number of deaths occurring in just four days, shows that state security bodies are fixed in a pattern of class-based and racist actions, that has been consolidated since 2013. The poor areas are seen as occupied territories and populations which need containing, all in a context of a growing socio-economic and political crisis.

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Reply #176 posted 02/28/19 5:32am

IanRG

BombSquad said:

in a nutshell it's this again


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Absolutely: The US response to the failure of Maduro's regime is selfish and opportunistic. They so often only ever seek regime change for personal economic gain against the sovereignty of those they pretend to seek to help.

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Reply #177 posted 02/28/19 6:16am

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Page 136 of McCabe's new book, recounting a 2017 Oval Office meeting: "Then the president talked about Venezuela. That’s the country we should be going to war with, he said. They have all that oil and they’re right on our back door."

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Reply #178 posted 02/28/19 6:24am

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in a nutshell it's this again





Yep and their small enough that they don’t effect us and Americans don’t give a shit about.
President Trump is a disgusting piece of shit.
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Reply #179 posted 02/28/19 10:27am

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Maduro is only keeping out American aid, which is correct. Our aid is propaganda for a coup, so it is good that aid is not being let in. Russia and other countries are bringing actual aid. Max Blumenthal went to a Caracas supermarket. Full shelves, even greek yogurt. lol

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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