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Reply #60 posted 01/26/19 2:20pm

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It's not about who can be shitty. It's about giving every demographic a chance to hold office if they are qualified. Right now it is skewed to older white males, has been my entire lifetime. Out of balance with the population.

One thing you are not taking into consideration is that every voter is on an age continuum. No way I'm throwing away my vote on a third party at my age - UNLESS they can win. Not enough time left to wait around. That is the "truth" I vote now.

I like the idea of more than two options but I do not like the idea that some could win an election with 38% of the vote

how about 43% or even 49%

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It's not about who can be shitty. It's about giving every demographic a chance to hold office if they are qualified. Right now it is skewed to older white males, has been my entire lifetime. Out of balance with the population.

One thing you are not taking into consideration is that every voter is on an age continuum. No way I'm throwing away my vote on a third party at my age - UNLESS they can win. Not enough time left to wait around. That is the "truth" I vote now.



White people are the majority in the US so it actually is in line with demographics. Not to say no one else deserves a chance, but that's an intellectually dishonest argument if you're going to use population as your basis.

I tend to vote along party lines for candidates I don't know as much about, but it's not a great way to vote, and I think legit third parties in this country would make the reps and Dems better choices because they'd have competition that actually could challenge them.




Nope. Minorities are under-represented even with our demographics. And women are slightly over half of the population. Try the google.

Vote how you want, I don't give a rat's ass. Your arguments here are personal, not factual. Have a nice day. comfort



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Reply #62 posted 01/26/19 2:25pm

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Nope. Minorities are under-represented even with our demographics. And women are slightly over half of the population. Try the google.

Vote how you want, I don't give a rat's ass. Your arguments here are personal, not factual. Have a nice day. comfort

with overall voter apathy, just about any state or area could be flipped. That is why I want to change how we do things. Have elected officials decide on electors and not have elections... that would motivate people to vote in state and local elections.

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Reply #63 posted 01/26/19 2:49pm

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poppys said:



It's not about who can be shitty. It's about giving every demographic a chance to hold office if they are qualified. Right now it is skewed to older white males, has been my entire lifetime. Out of balance with the population.

One thing you are not taking into consideration is that every voter is on an age continuum. No way I'm throwing away my vote on a third party at my age - UNLESS they can win. Not enough time left to wait around. That is the "truth" I vote now.





White people are the majority in the US so it actually is in line with demographics. Not to say no one else deserves a chance, but that's an intellectually dishonest argument if you're going to use population as your basis.

I tend to vote along party lines for candidates I don't know as much about, but it's not a great way to vote, and I think legit third parties in this country would make the reps and Dems better choices because they'd have competition that actually could challenge them.







Nope. Minorities are under-represented even with our demographics. And women are slightly over half of the population. Try the google.

Vote how you want, I don't give a rat's ass. Your arguments here are personal, not factual. Have a nice day. comfort


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Reply #64 posted 01/26/19 4:46pm

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STV or single transferable vote is the way to go:

In STV, each voter ranks the list of candidates in order of preference, marking a '1' beside their most preferred candidate, a '2' beside their second most preferred, and so on as shown in the sample ballot on the right. As noted, this is a simplified example. In practice, the ballot would usually be organized in columns so that voters are informed of each candidate's party affiliations or whether they are standing as independents.
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It means there is no reason to strategically vote for someone who is the lesser of two evils, you vote for whoever REALLY represents you. If they don’t win, then your vote is not wasted, it’s transferred to your second choice and so on.

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Reply #65 posted 01/26/19 4:53pm

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STV or single transferable vote is the way to go: In STV, each voter ranks the list of candidates in order of preference, marking a '1' beside their most preferred candidate, a '2' beside their second most preferred, and so on as shown in the sample ballot on the right. As noted, this is a simplified example. In practice, the ballot would usually be organized in columns so that voters are informed of each candidate's party affiliations or whether they are standing as independents.

_____________ It means there is no reason to strategically vote for someone who is the lesser of two evils, you vote for whoever REALLY represents you. If they don’t win, then your vote is not wasted, it’s transferred to your second choice and so on. America doesn’t have real democracy. Someone should spread it to there...


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Reply #67 posted 01/27/19 12:44pm

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nd33 said:

STV or single transferable vote is the way to go:

In STV, each voter ranks the list of candidates in order of preference, marking a '1' beside their most preferred candidate, a '2' beside their second most preferred, and so on as shown in the sample ballot on the right. As noted, this is a simplified example. In practice, the ballot would usually be organized in columns so that voters are informed of each candidate's party affiliations or whether they are standing as independents.
_____

It means there is no reason to strategically vote for someone who is the lesser of two evils, you vote for whoever REALLY represents you. If they don’t win, then your vote is not wasted, it’s transferred to your second choice and so on.

America doesn’t have real democracy. Someone should spread it to there...



I agree, that's a much better system, and one I wish we'd adopt in the states because the "all or nothing" voting system we have means only a couple candidates truly have a chance.
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Reply #68 posted 01/27/19 9:09pm

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'Kamala Harris Officially enters the 2020 Race'
(Sentor Harriz kickin' it off. her words are totally worth a listen)

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Reply #69 posted 01/27/19 10:51pm

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Calling it now, she won’t make it to the actual race. This isn’t a matter of gender (let’s not forget - Hillary won the popular vote in ‘16) but this would be a weak move for Democrats. They can’t afford to risk this election with a bluntly leftwing candidate like Harris. Need someone with slightly more moderate views. And this is why, though I believe Elizabeth Warren is much more qualified and capable than Clinton or Harris to handle tasks as the President & clean up the mess Trump’s leaving...2020 is not yet her time.
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Reply #70 posted 01/28/19 1:00am

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Calling it now, she won’t make it to the actual race. This isn’t a matter of gender (let’s not forget - Hillary won the popular vote in ‘16) but this would be a weak move for Democrats. They can’t afford to risk this election with a bluntly leftwing candidate like Harris. Need someone with slightly more moderate views. And this is why, though I believe Elizabeth Warren is much more qualified and capable than Clinton or Harris to handle tasks as the President & clean up the mess Trump’s leaving...2020 is not yet her time.

Bluntly leftwing ?

I don´t know much about her but from what I´ve heard and seen and judging by what some of my friends posted about her on FB she seems to be very much a law and order type of person and quite rightwing in some ways ( at least jobwise).

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Reply #71 posted 01/28/19 1:57am

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happinessinitsuncutform said:

Calling it now, she won’t make it to the actual race. This isn’t a matter of gender (let’s not forget - Hillary won the popular vote in ‘16) but this would be a weak move for Democrats. They can’t afford to risk this election with a bluntly leftwing candidate like Harris. Need someone with slightly more moderate views. And this is why, though I believe Elizabeth Warren is much more qualified and capable than Clinton or Harris to handle tasks as the President & clean up the mess Trump’s leaving...2020 is not yet her time.


She’s nowhere near left enough for progressives. Center AF. But I agree she’d be weak.
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Reply #72 posted 01/28/19 12:35pm

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happinessinitsuncutform said:
Calling it now, she won’t make it to the actual race. This isn’t a matter of gender (let’s not forget - Hillary won the popular vote in ‘16) but this would be a weak move for Democrats. They can’t afford to risk this election with a bluntly leftwing candidate like Harris. Need someone with slightly more moderate views. And this is why, though I believe Elizabeth Warren is much more qualified and capable than Clinton or Harris to handle tasks as the President & clean up the mess Trump’s leaving...2020 is not yet her time.
She’s nowhere near left enough for progressives. Center AF. But I agree she’d be weak.

@Kookeaze and @nd33

Huh. She's been pushing for 15/hr minimum wage for a while now, was one of the first to openly support Sanders' 'healthcare for all' policy - which at this point was already labled a socialist - on top of all the typical left wing views on banning guns, immigration (she supports DACA) etc. Above all she really left an impression at the Kavanaugh hearing, voicing her opinions on abortion. In what respect is she not uber left or center AF?

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Reply #73 posted 01/28/19 1:52pm

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Bernie is pretty popular last time I checked, Trump won the election with less votes than the previous two losers so if the right people turn out to vote Bernie could win.

Yeah on the surface level he does look popular but I'm afraid that's not likely to happen. Even his own party chose a flawed candidate like Clinton over him. It's too late now. How are dems even going to promote him now? 'Hey remember that guy we deemed less qualified than Clinton? well we decided to give him another shot and so should yall." And as much as I hate to say this but his age could be another issue to voters.

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Reply #74 posted 01/29/19 9:05am

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happinessinitsuncutform said:

nd33 said:

happinessinitsuncutform said: She’s nowhere near left enough for progressives. Center AF. But I agree she’d be weak.

@Kookeaze and @nd33

Huh. She's been pushing for 15/hr minimum wage for a while now, was one of the first to openly support Sanders' 'healthcare for all' policy - which at this point was already labled a socialist - on top of all the typical left wing views on banning guns, immigration (she supports DACA) etc. Above all she really left an impression at the Kavanaugh hearing, voicing her opinions on abortion. In what respect is she not uber left or center AF?

I´m not that familiar with her but some of my friends posted videos on Facebook where people complained about her very unliberal ways . See this video:

https://www.facebook.com/...445920555/

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Reply #75 posted 01/29/19 3:07pm

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KoolEaze said:

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@Kookeaze and @nd33

Huh. She's been pushing for 15/hr minimum wage for a while now, was one of the first to openly support Sanders' 'healthcare for all' policy - which at this point was already labled a socialist - on top of all the typical left wing views on banning guns, immigration (she supports DACA) etc. Above all she really left an impression at the Kavanaugh hearing, voicing her opinions on abortion. In what respect is she not uber left or center AF?

I´m not that familiar with her but some of my friends posted videos on Facebook where people complained about her very unliberal ways . See this video:

https://www.facebook.com/...445920555/

Well... her record as attorney general will be scrutinized when she runs so you will just have to wait and see how she answers to these kinds of accusations.

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Reply #76 posted 01/29/19 5:38pm

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happinessinitsuncutform said: She’s nowhere near left enough for progressives. Center AF. But I agree she’d be weak.

@Kookeaze and @nd33

Huh. She's been pushing for 15/hr minimum wage for a while now, was one of the first to openly support Sanders' 'healthcare for all' policy - which at this point was already labled a socialist - on top of all the typical left wing views on banning guns, immigration (she supports DACA) etc. Above all she really left an impression at the Kavanaugh hearing, voicing her opinions on abortion. In what respect is she not uber left or center AF?

a $15 per hour minimum wage for a no skill job is foolish. ask yourself what you make... and then work out what you would expect if the minimum wage were to be doubled... and then consider how much of a raise you would need to not have an effective pay cut.


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Reply #77 posted 01/29/19 6:16pm

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Kamala will only help stir Trump's base. She is a lost cause for the Dems. Please Oprah step up to the plate. I would vote for Oprah.

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Reply #79 posted 01/31/19 5:31am

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Kamala will only help stir Trump's base. She is a lost cause for the Dems. Please Oprah step up to the plate. I would vote for Oprah.

You ? Of all people? Seriously?

Why?

I don´t trust Oprah.

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

Kamala will only help stir Trump's base. She is a lost cause for the Dems. Please Oprah step up to the plate. I would vote for Oprah.

You ? Of all people? Seriously?

Why?

I don´t trust Oprah.

I tried to find fault with her but I like her. I think Oprah would do what she believed is right in her heart and would be a good leader for America. Trump vs Oprah I would vote Oprah. I'd never vote for Hillary. Kamala what I see so far, no I would not vote for her. Often voting is the less of two evils. Bernie is a lost cause. He would destroy America.

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Bernie vs. Kamala: I vote Kamala. Oprah I would vote for almost over everyone, Oprah over Trump. She was also friends with Prince. Celebrity friends but she is cool. Bernie: Socialism works until it fails and when it does eventually everything collapses.

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Bernie vs. Kamala: I vote Kamala. Oprah I would vote for almost over everyone, Oprah over Trump. She was also friends with Prince. Celebrity friends but she is cool. Bernie: Socialism works until it fails and when it does eventually everything collapses.

I think Bernie´s idea of what you call "socialism" is not really socialism at all, but that´s a whole different topic. What you consider socialism would be called social democracy over here. The Democratic Party for example is still far, far away from most European parties´ notion of leftwing policies but I digress.

And by the way, I just don´t see a majority of Americans voting for Sanders, really.

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Reply #83 posted 01/31/19 8:32am

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Bernie vs. Kamala: I vote Kamala. Oprah I would vote for almost over everyone, Oprah over Trump. She was also friends with Prince. Celebrity friends but she is cool. Bernie: Socialism works until it fails and when it does eventually everything collapses.



The fact that you have somehow been made to think the US would change from capitalism to socialism just by Bernie becoming president only shows how much capitalism has you the f’ing balls.
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SuperFurryAnimal said:


Bernie vs. Kamala: I vote Kamala. Oprah I would vote for almost over everyone, Oprah over Trump. She was also friends with Prince. Celebrity friends but she is cool. Bernie: Socialism works until it fails and when it does eventually everything collapses.



I think Bernie´s idea of what you call "socialism" is not really socialism at all, but that´s a whole different topic. What you consider socialism would be called social democracy over here. The Democratic Party for example is still far, far away from most European parties´ notion of leftwing policies but I digress.


And by the way, I just don´t see a majority of Americans voting for Sanders, really.



Sanders offered no solutions just guarantee that things would be free. Realistically shit never happens that way.
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SuperFurryAnimal said:

Bernie vs. Kamala: I vote Kamala. Oprah I would vote for almost over everyone, Oprah over Trump. She was also friends with Prince. Celebrity friends but she is cool. Bernie: Socialism works until it fails and when it does eventually everything collapses.



The fact that you have somehow been made to think the US would change from capitalism to socialism just by Bernie becoming president only shows how much capitalism has you the f’ing balls.


Point is his pipe dreams would never happen and we would have years of gridlock.
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SuperFurryAnimal said:

Bernie vs. Kamala: I vote Kamala. Oprah I would vote for almost over everyone, Oprah over Trump. She was also friends with Prince. Celebrity friends but she is cool. Bernie: Socialism works until it fails and when it does eventually everything collapses.

The fact that you have somehow been made to think the US would change from capitalism to socialism just by Bernie becoming president only shows how much capitalism has you the f’ing balls.

Fear - that's what it is - FEAR. omfg universal health care may lead to a socialist state!

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Reply #87 posted 01/31/19 2:58pm

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Bernie vs. Kamala: I vote Kamala. Oprah I would vote for almost over everyone, Oprah over Trump. She was also friends with Prince. Celebrity friends but she is cool. Bernie: Socialism works until it fails and when it does eventually everything collapses.

Oprah over Bernie...wow. Harris over Bernie? Harris who's always a step behind Sanders but headed the same direction? makes no sense...

You got Sanders' so-called 'socialism' ideology all wrong. Historically this country's been voting for different parties every or evry other election; it's all about balance. He's just trying to do as much as he can during his time, because the scale will be rebalanced likely after his term under a conservative leader..Iow because we have people like TRump we need Sanders more than ever!
However...while his Medicare-for-all is morally what we need in this country and where we should be spending our tax money towards, NOT the bogus border security,..it's just not practical at this particular time in this country to go from what we have towards that instantly. I just can't see that happening anytime soon.

I do respect him though, as he says what he truly believes in rather than a watered-down version of his ideology to win over the undecided and the liberals. Latter would be a smarter move as a politician but oh well...and honestly he's probably the one with the least amount of dirt among any public figures even if the tea party went after him. Not to diminish her legacy and all the charity work she's done but not sure if I can say the same about Oprah - she's a one-person corporate.


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Reply #88 posted 01/31/19 3:18pm

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Oprah over Bernie. hell yeah or Harris... at least she is not wealthphobic

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Reply #89 posted 01/31/19 3:33pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Oprah over Bernie. hell yeah or Harris... at least she is not wealthphobic

Not wealthphobic, rather wealth-n-greedy phobic. Sanders' got some decent properties, he's a well-off American himself - he'll be paying lots for taxes himself according to his own philosophy. His demand of moral responsibilities from the rich isn't anything crazy. I'm not the most ethical person myself tbh but I want our leader-figure to be and I would never want that idea to be laughed at.

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