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Reply #60 posted 01/19/19 4:15pm

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lol lol lol comfort

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Reply #61 posted 01/19/19 6:37pm

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why don't you like the ad dj?

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Reply #62 posted 01/19/19 6:55pm

djThunderfunk

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MoBettaBliss said:

why don't you like the ad dj?


It's not an ad. "Ad" is short for advertisement. What product does this video "advertise"?

It's virtue signaling pandering that promotes the myth that masculinity is toxic. It's not. Rape, sexism, etc are not qualities of masculinity. The idea that these types of bad behavior are inherent to masculinity is ignorant and insulting to the vast majority of men who have great respect for women without the need to devolve into beta-males.

Real men already call out bad behavior and do not tolerate harassment of women from other men so therefore do not need to be preached to from a company in an "advertisement". Rapists and sexual abusers will not see the ad and learn the errors of their ways or change for the better.

So who is the "ad" for? What will come of it other than fawning praise from one demographic and outrage and anger from another. To what end?

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Reply #63 posted 01/19/19 8:16pm

MoBettaBliss

djThunderfunk said:

MoBettaBliss said:

why don't you like the ad dj?


It's not an ad. "Ad" is short for advertisement. What product does this video "advertise"?

It's virtue signaling pandering that promotes the myth that masculinity is toxic. It's not. Rape, sexism, etc are not qualities of masculinity. The idea that these types of bad behavior are inherent to masculinity is ignorant and insulting to the vast majority of men who have great respect for women without the need to devolve into beta-males.

Real men already call out bad behavior and do not tolerate harassment of women from other men so therefore do not need to be preached to from a company in an "advertisement". Rapists and sexual abusers will not see the ad and learn the errors of their ways or change for the better.

So who is the "ad" for? What will come of it other than fawning praise from one demographic and outrage and anger from another. To what end?



i disagree

while we do live in a world of pc madness, i didn't get that vibe from this ad

i take your point about it not having a hellova lot to do with shaving, but that didn't bother me, as i connected with what it was about

let's be clear... it wasn't all doom and gloom... there was praise for men who "do the right thing"... but we all know there's a long way to go... i see no problem with them bringing awareness to that fact


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Reply #64 posted 01/19/19 8:44pm

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Most women, even feminists, prefer "sexist" alpha males to "woke" beta males.

https://www.psychologytod...r-woke-men

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Reply #65 posted 01/19/19 8:56pm

MoBettaBliss

djThunderfunk said:

Most women, even feminists, prefer "sexist" alpha males to "woke" beta males.

https://www.psychologytod...r-woke-men



so, what's your point?

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Reply #66 posted 01/20/19 12:41am

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There is no point - because the article does not support the statement above it. (Actually - it's not even an article - it's a blog post from the author of "Ethical Porn for Dicks") rolleyes

And just because some women are attatracted to 'alpha males' does not mean women want to be disrespected, abused or treated less than equal.



















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Reply #67 posted 01/20/19 4:52am

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As for using social causes in advertising it seems like the companies are interested in the bottom line, money, what will make the most money. Nike is the biggest hypocritical one of the bunch. Does it seem see through that these adds are made for one goal in mind? To increase sales. Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer used Gillette razors, they randomly killed women while clean shaved while in "collusion" with Gillette razors. Bottom line they are razors for prison inmates and serial killers. Get an electric razor.
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Reply #68 posted 01/20/19 5:59am

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

As for using social causes in advertising it seems like the companies are interested in the bottom line, money, what will make the most money. Nike is the biggest hypocritical one of the bunch. Does it seem see through that these adds are made for one goal in mind? To increase sales. Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer used Gillette razors, they randomly killed women while clean shaved while in "collusion" with Gillette razors. Bottom line they are razors for prison inmates and serial killers. Get an electric razor.

Ermmm.... almost all advertising is designed to make money. The end goal is the same whether the advert uses a social causes or not. Your comment about prisoners is nonsense.

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Reply #69 posted 01/20/19 6:10am

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maplenpg said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

As for using social causes in advertising it seems like the companies are interested in the bottom line, money, what will make the most money. Nike is the biggest hypocritical one of the bunch. Does it seem see through that these adds are made for one goal in mind? To increase sales. Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer used Gillette razors, they randomly killed women while clean shaved while in "collusion" with Gillette razors. Bottom line they are razors for prison inmates and serial killers. Get an electric razor.

Ermmm.... almost all advertising is designed to make money. The end goal is the same whether the advert uses a social causes or not. Your comment about prisoners is nonsense.

and if a more chauvinistic approach scored more money they would have used it. The bottom line is $

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Reply #70 posted 01/20/19 6:32am

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MoBettaBliss said:

djThunderfunk said:

Most women, even feminists, prefer "sexist" alpha males to "woke" beta males.

https://www.psychologytod...r-woke-men



so, what's your point?

DiminutiveRocker said:

There is no point - because the article does not support the statement above it. (Actually - it's not even an article - it's a blog post from the author of "Ethical Porn for Dicks") rolleyes

And just because some women are attatracted to 'alpha males' does not mean women want to be disrespected, abused or treated less than equal.


Bullshit. It is an article, from Psychology Today, a very respectable source. Yes the author has written a few books, including the one you mention, what of it? What's your point?

The article absolutely does support the statement in my post. Explicitly. Nowhere in the article or in my post is there any suggestion that "women want to be disrespected, abused or treated less than equal". Nobody said that or suggested it. You're imagining things. Learn to read better.

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Reply #71 posted 01/20/19 6:38am

NorthC

maplenpg said:



SuperFurryAnimal said:


As for using social causes in advertising it seems like the companies are interested in the bottom line, money, what will make the most money. Nike is the biggest hypocritical one of the bunch. Does it seem see through that these adds are made for one goal in mind? To increase sales. Ted Bundy and Jeffrey Dahmer used Gillette razors, they randomly killed women while clean shaved while in "collusion" with Gillette razors. Bottom line they are razors for prison inmates and serial killers. Get an electric razor.

Ermmm.... almost all advertising is designed to make money. The end goal is the same whether the advert uses a social causes or not. Your comment about prisoners is nonsense.


Exactly. And that's why I say that they're misusing a social issue just to make money. Anyone who protests against sexism should be the first one to dislike this ad.
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Reply #72 posted 01/20/19 7:35am

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https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/201812/feminists-think-sexist-men-are-sexier-woke-men


it's a BLOG and what's more it really a kind of advertisement for this guy's book that in the web address.

no where in this blog does it say "most women..."

rolleyes








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Reply #73 posted 01/20/19 7:37am

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https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/201812/feminists-think-sexist-men-are-sexier-woke-men


it's a BLOG and what's more it really a kind of advertisement for this guy's book that in the web address.



rolleyes


That's rich. biggrin

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Reply #74 posted 01/20/19 7:45am

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DiminutiveRocker said:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/201812/feminists-think-sexist-men-are-sexier-woke-men


it's a BLOG and what's more it really a kind of advertisement for this guy's book that in the web address.

no where in this blog does it say "most women..."

rolleyes








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Ah, I see you've adopted SuperFurry's techniques. Haven't you blasted him for big fonts in the past?

Anyway, it IS an article. Blog, shmog, it's from Psychology Today, not some personal blog. It's not an "advertisement" for his book(s). It is common practice for articles from respected sources such as Psychology Today to list books that the author of an article has written. Don't pretend you don't know this. If you want to object to the findings, go ahead. Trying to downplay the source is weak and shows you have no sound argument.

If you want to focus on the word "most", fine, I'll rephrase: Women, even feminists, prefer "sexist" alpha males to "woke" beta males. Happy?


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Reply #75 posted 01/20/19 7:48am

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lol What dos it say ont he far right corner of this page?


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Reply #76 posted 01/20/19 8:09am

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DiminutiveRocker said:

lol What dos it say ont he far right corner of this page?


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You actually think you're right don't you? lol

So what if there is an advertisement displayed to the right of the article? It clearly says "Verified by Psychology Today"

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Reply #77 posted 01/20/19 8:52am

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DiminutiveRocker said:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/201812/feminists-think-sexist-men-are-sexier-woke-men


it's a BLOG and what's more it really a kind of advertisement for this guy's book that in the web address.

no where in this blog does it say "most women..."

rolleyes








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To be fair to DJ, it does describe a published journal article which I've just finished reading all 55 pages of. Apparently 'most' females is decided by a study of 233 females with a mean age of 19 (I do hate how this happens with studies - that the participants I guess were from the universities at which the authors were based making the ethnographic value of the study flawed from the start). I'm afraid I stopped conversing with DJ some time ago, which is a shame, because I'd quite enjoy picking this study to bits with him lol


EDIT to include the authors idea of a sexist man - this is what the participants were presented with:


Mark is a potential romantic partner [Mark is a male colleague of yours at work]. He firmly believes that people cannot be truly happy in life without being romantically involved with a member of the other sex. He feels that, no matter how accomplished he is, he is not truly complete as a person without the love of a woman. He thinks that a woman should be set on pedestal by her man. He is convinced that in general women are more pure than men and they tend to have a superior moral sensibility. Mark thinks that women should be cherished and protected by men. In case of a disaster or emergency situation, he thinks that women should be helped before men.

The example that the participants were presented of a 'woke' man:


Mark is a potential romantic partner [Mark is a male colleague of yours at work]. He firmly believes that people can be truly happy in life without being romantically involved with a member of the other sex. He feels that he can be truly complete as a person without the love of a woman, especially if he is personally accomplished. He doesn't think that a woman should be set on pedestal by her man. He is convinced that neither sex is superior with respect to purity or moral sensibility. He thinks that women should not necessarily be cherished or protected by men. In case of a disaster or emergency situation, he thinks that a person's sex should not be a factor determining who is helped first.

falloff

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Reply #78 posted 01/21/19 7:14am

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maplenpg said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/201812/feminists-think-sexist-men-are-sexier-woke-men


it's a BLOG and what's more it really a kind of advertisement for this guy's book that in the web address.

no where in this blog does it say "most women..."

rolleyes








[Edited 1/20/19 7:38am]

To be fair to DJ, it does describe a published journal article which I've just finished reading all 55 pages of. Apparently 'most' females is decided by a study of 233 females with a mean age of 19 (I do hate how this happens with studies - that the participants I guess were from the universities at which the authors were based making the ethnographic value of the study flawed from the start). I'm afraid I stopped conversing with DJ some time ago, which is a shame, because I'd quite enjoy picking this study to bits with him lol


EDIT to include the authors idea of a sexist man - this is what the participants were presented with:


Mark is a potential romantic partner [Mark is a male colleague of yours at work]. He firmly believes that people cannot be truly happy in life without being romantically involved with a member of the other sex. He feels that, no matter how accomplished he is, he is not truly complete as a person without the love of a woman. He thinks that a woman should be set on pedestal by her man. He is convinced that in general women are more pure than men and they tend to have a superior moral sensibility. Mark thinks that women should be cherished and protected by men. In case of a disaster or emergency situation, he thinks that women should be helped before men.

The example that the participants were presented of a 'woke' man:


Mark is a potential romantic partner [Mark is a male colleague of yours at work]. He firmly believes that people can be truly happy in life without being romantically involved with a member of the other sex. He feels that he can be truly complete as a person without the love of a woman, especially if he is personally accomplished. He doesn't think that a woman should be set on pedestal by her man. He is convinced that neither sex is superior with respect to purity or moral sensibility. He thinks that women should not necessarily be cherished or protected by men. In case of a disaster or emergency situation, he thinks that a person's sex should not be a factor determining who is helped first.

falloff

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"Deebee is a somnolent fellow, who tries in vain to spend as little time 'woke' as possible. Recent online conversations about gender relations prompted by a razor company have actually made him want to change his shaving equipment and routine. From now on, he intends to use an old-fashioned barber's blade, drawing it laterally across his own oesophagus."

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Reply #79 posted 01/21/19 7:41am

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LOL, great line to drop on a date:

"No listen, Psychology Today said you'd like me more if I say I hate feminism. No really, all women. The article was verified! IS THIS NOT TURNING YOU ON???"

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Reply #80 posted 01/21/19 2:42pm

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Another video from the same director... lol



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Reply #81 posted 01/21/19 2:43pm

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Be a better man.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #82 posted 01/22/19 10:48am

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deebee said:

maplenpg said:

To be fair to DJ, it does describe a published journal article which I've just finished reading all 55 pages of. Apparently 'most' females is decided by a study of 233 females with a mean age of 19 (I do hate how this happens with studies - that the participants I guess were from the universities at which the authors were based making the ethnographic value of the study flawed from the start). I'm afraid I stopped conversing with DJ some time ago, which is a shame, because I'd quite enjoy picking this study to bits with him lol


EDIT to include the authors idea of a sexist man - this is what the participants were presented with:


Mark is a potential romantic partner [Mark is a male colleague of yours at work]. He firmly believes that people cannot be truly happy in life without being romantically involved with a member of the other sex. He feels that, no matter how accomplished he is, he is not truly complete as a person without the love of a woman. He thinks that a woman should be set on pedestal by her man. He is convinced that in general women are more pure than men and they tend to have a superior moral sensibility. Mark thinks that women should be cherished and protected by men. In case of a disaster or emergency situation, he thinks that women should be helped before men.

The example that the participants were presented of a 'woke' man:


Mark is a potential romantic partner [Mark is a male colleague of yours at work]. He firmly believes that people can be truly happy in life without being romantically involved with a member of the other sex. He feels that he can be truly complete as a person without the love of a woman, especially if he is personally accomplished. He doesn't think that a woman should be set on pedestal by her man. He is convinced that neither sex is superior with respect to purity or moral sensibility. He thinks that women should not necessarily be cherished or protected by men. In case of a disaster or emergency situation, he thinks that a person's sex should not be a factor determining who is helped first.

falloff

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"Deebee is a somnolent fellow, who tries in vain to spend as little time 'woke' as possible. Recent online conversations about gender relations prompted by a razor company have actually made him want to change his shaving equipment and routine. From now on, he intends to use an old-fashioned barber's blade, drawing it laterally across his own oesophagus."

Seems a bit drastic - I'd just grow a beard instead lol

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Reply #83 posted 01/22/19 11:48am

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The inevitable parody has shown up:
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Reply #84 posted 01/23/19 10:59am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Be a better man.


"BE BEST"

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Reply #85 posted 01/23/19 11:01am

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maplenpg said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-who-stray/201812/feminists-think-sexist-men-are-sexier-woke-men


it's a BLOG and what's more it really a kind of advertisement for this guy's book that in the web address.

no where in this blog does it say "most women..."

rolleyes








[Edited 1/20/19 7:38am]

To be fair to DJ, it does describe a published journal article which I've just finished reading all 55 pages of. Apparently 'most' females is decided by a study of 233 females with a mean age of 19 (I do hate how this happens with studies - that the participants I guess were from the universities at which the authors were based making the ethnographic value of the study flawed from the start). I'm afraid I stopped conversing with DJ some time ago, which is a shame, because I'd quite enjoy picking this study to bits with him lol


EDIT to include the authors idea of a sexist man - this is what the participants were presented with:


Mark is a potential romantic partner [Mark is a male colleague of yours at work]. He firmly believes that people cannot be truly happy in life without being romantically involved with a member of the other sex. He feels that, no matter how accomplished he is, he is not truly complete as a person without the love of a woman. He thinks that a woman should be set on pedestal by her man. He is convinced that in general women are more pure than men and they tend to have a superior moral sensibility. Mark thinks that women should be cherished and protected by men. In case of a disaster or emergency situation, he thinks that women should be helped before men.

The example that the participants were presented of a 'woke' man:


Mark is a potential romantic partner [Mark is a male colleague of yours at work]. He firmly believes that people can be truly happy in life without being romantically involved with a member of the other sex. He feels that he can be truly complete as a person without the love of a woman, especially if he is personally accomplished. He doesn't think that a woman should be set on pedestal by her man. He is convinced that neither sex is superior with respect to purity or moral sensibility. He thinks that women should not necessarily be cherished or protected by men. In case of a disaster or emergency situation, he thinks that a person's sex should not be a factor determining who is helped first.

falloff

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lol the study sounds hacky at best. 233 females, Median age 19? hah!

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Reply #86 posted 01/23/19 11:15am

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DiminutiveRocker said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Be a better man.


"BE BEST"

lol

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Reply #87 posted 01/23/19 11:17am

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DiminutiveRocker said:

maplenpg said:

To be fair to DJ, it does describe a published journal article which I've just finished reading all 55 pages of. Apparently 'most' females is decided by a study of 233 females with a mean age of 19 (I do hate how this happens with studies - that the participants I guess were from the universities at which the authors were based making the ethnographic value of the study flawed from the start). I'm afraid I stopped conversing with DJ some time ago, which is a shame, because I'd quite enjoy picking this study to bits with him lol


EDIT to include the authors idea of a sexist man - this is what the participants were presented with:


Mark is a potential romantic partner [Mark is a male colleague of yours at work]. He firmly believes that people cannot be truly happy in life without being romantically involved with a member of the other sex. He feels that, no matter how accomplished he is, he is not truly complete as a person without the love of a woman. He thinks that a woman should be set on pedestal by her man. He is convinced that in general women are more pure than men and they tend to have a superior moral sensibility. Mark thinks that women should be cherished and protected by men. In case of a disaster or emergency situation, he thinks that women should be helped before men.

The example that the participants were presented of a 'woke' man:


Mark is a potential romantic partner [Mark is a male colleague of yours at work]. He firmly believes that people can be truly happy in life without being romantically involved with a member of the other sex. He feels that he can be truly complete as a person without the love of a woman, especially if he is personally accomplished. He doesn't think that a woman should be set on pedestal by her man. He is convinced that neither sex is superior with respect to purity or moral sensibility. He thinks that women should not necessarily be cherished or protected by men. In case of a disaster or emergency situation, he thinks that a person's sex should not be a factor determining who is helped first.

falloff

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lol the study sounds hacky at best. 233 females, Median age 19? hah!

It was mean, not median age (sorry for being pedantic). The basis of the whole study boiled down to whether women would prefer a 'sexist' man, who provided for his woman and put them on a pedestal, treating them like royalty, but who maybe strays once in a while or acts in ways the woman might disapprove of, or whether women would prefer a 'non-sexist' man, who treated his woman as an equal, expecting her pay half, expecting her earn an equal wage, with neither putting each other on pedestals, but who is utterly reliable. To be fair it was a fun read, I was surprised anyone at all picked the 'non-sexist' man the way they worded everything.

What is interesting for me is that if you swap the genders around in the two statements i.e. "She feels that, no matter how accomplished she is, she is not truly complete as a person without the love of a man", the my opinions utterly change. I'd be really interested for them to conduct the exact same study, using the exact same examples with genders swapped, to 233 young men with a mean age of 19. Now that would be interesting.

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Reply #88 posted 01/23/19 11:18am

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maplenpg said:

DiminutiveRocker said:


lol the study sounds hacky at best. 233 females, Median age 19? hah!

It was mean, not median age (sorry for being pedantic). The basis of the whole study boiled down to whether women would prefer a 'sexist' man, who provided for his woman and put them on a pedestal, treating them like royalty, but who maybe strays once in a while or acts in ways the woman might disapprove of, or whether women would prefer a 'non-sexist' man, who treated his woman as an equal, expecting her pay half, expecting her earn an equal wage, with neither putting each other on pedestals, but who is utterly reliable. To be fair it was a fun read, I was surprised anyone at all picked the 'non-sexist' man the way they worded everything.

What is interesting for me is that if you swap the genders around in the two statements i.e. "She feels that, no matter how accomplished she is, she is not truly complete as a person without the love of a man", the my opinions utterly change. I'd be really interested for them to conduct the exact same study, using the exact same examples with genders swapped, to 233 young men with a mean age of 19. Now that would be interesting.

Indeed!

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Reply #89 posted 01/24/19 9:28am

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I came across this on youtube. I'm not familiar with this guy, but he's got a great point about one of the scenes in the video. It looks like he's a conservative though, so I expect everyone will hate on him for who he is or what he represents rather than address what he actually says in the video.

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