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jjhunsecker

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Time to get rid of Trump for the sake of America

A GREAT article :

https://www.nytimes.com/2...collection

"The presidential oath of office contains 35 words and one core promise: to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” Since virtually the moment Donald J. Trump took that oath two years ago, he has been violating it.

He has repeatedly put his own interests above those of the country. He has used the presidency to promote his businesses. He has accepted financial gifts from foreign countries. He has lied to the American people about his relationship with a hostile foreign government. He has tolerated cabinet officials who use their position to enrich themselves.

To shield himself from accountability for all of this — and for his unscrupulous presidential campaign — he has set out to undermine the American system of checks and balances. He has called for the prosecution of his political enemies and the protection of his allies. He has attempted to obstruct justice. He has tried to shake the public’s confidence in one democratic institution after another, including the press, federal law enforcement and the federal judiciary.

The unrelenting chaos that Trump creates can sometimes obscure the big picture. But the big picture is simple: The United States has never had a president as demonstrably unfit for the office as Trump. And it’s becoming clear that 2019 is likely to be dominated by a single question: What are we going to do about it?"

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Reply #1 posted 01/08/19 7:26am

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jjhunsecker said:

A GREAT article :

https://www.nytimes.com/2...collection

"The presidential oath of office contains 35 words and one core promise: to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” Since virtually the moment Donald J. Trump took that oath two years ago, he has been violating it.

He has repeatedly put his own interests above those of the country. He has used the presidency to promote his businesses. He has accepted financial gifts from foreign countries. He has lied to the American people about his relationship with a hostile foreign government. He has tolerated cabinet officials who use their position to enrich themselves.

To shield himself from accountability for all of this — and for his unscrupulous presidential campaign — he has set out to undermine the American system of checks and balances. He has called for the prosecution of his political enemies and the protection of his allies. He has attempted to obstruct justice. He has tried to shake the public’s confidence in one democratic institution after another, including the press, federal law enforcement and the federal judiciary.

The unrelenting chaos that Trump creates can sometimes obscure the big picture. But the big picture is simple: The United States has never had a president as demonstrably unfit for the office as Trump. And it’s becoming clear that 2019 is likely to be dominated by a single question: What are we going to do about it?"


I saw that! He has no idea what's in the Constitution - how can he protect it? lol

The problem: The "base" of people who do not care about any of it, who are the gullible recipients of misinformatoin and lies. He was right when he said he could walk down 5th Ave and shoot someone and still get the votes from this "base."





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Reply #2 posted 01/08/19 9:54am

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I understand why some want to get rid of him, but would they seriously rather have Pence as the new president? That guy is far, far worse than Trump. If Trump does not end up in prison he´ll serve a second term.

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Reply #3 posted 01/08/19 10:11am

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KoolEaze said:

I understand why some want to get rid of him, but would they seriously rather have Pence as the new president? That guy is far, far worse than Trump. If Trump does not end up in prison he´ll serve a second term.


I think the opposite. Pence becomes a lame duck and his power would be diminished after an impeachment.

But impeachment is not as popular, for some decent enough reasons. Clearly his own party has to turn against him, that is the problem. Keep fighting him in the courts to limit his moves and make sure he isn't re-elected.

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Reply #4 posted 01/08/19 10:12am

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jjhunsecker said:

A GREAT article :

https://www.nytimes.com/2...collection

"The presidential oath of office contains 35 words and one core promise: to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.” Since virtually the moment Donald J. Trump took that oath two years ago, he has been violating it.

He has repeatedly put his own interests above those of the country. He has used the presidency to promote his businesses. He has accepted financial gifts from foreign countries. He has lied to the American people about his relationship with a hostile foreign government. He has tolerated cabinet officials who use their position to enrich themselves.

To shield himself from accountability for all of this — and for his unscrupulous presidential campaign — he has set out to undermine the American system of checks and balances. He has called for the prosecution of his political enemies and the protection of his allies. He has attempted to obstruct justice. He has tried to shake the public’s confidence in one democratic institution after another, including the press, federal law enforcement and the federal judiciary.

The unrelenting chaos that Trump creates can sometimes obscure the big picture. But the big picture is simple: The United States has never had a president as demonstrably unfit for the office as Trump. And it’s becoming clear that 2019 is likely to be dominated by a single question: What are we going to do about it?"


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Reply #5 posted 01/08/19 11:31am

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poppys said:

KoolEaze said:

I understand why some want to get rid of him, but would they seriously rather have Pence as the new president? That guy is far, far worse than Trump. If Trump does not end up in prison he´ll serve a second term.


I think the opposite. Pence becomes a lame duck and his power would be diminished after an impeachment.

But impeachment is not as popular, for some decent enough reasons. Clearly his own party has to turn against him, that is the problem. Keep fighting him in the courts to limit his moves and make sure he isn't re-elected.



I agree with you, poppy.

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Reply #6 posted 01/08/19 12:30pm

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KoolEaze said:

I understand why some want to get rid of him, but would they seriously rather have Pence as the new president? That guy is far, far worse than Trump. If Trump does not end up in prison he´ll serve a second term.


That is if Pence gets off scott free as well. He's also lawyered up - it's nearly impossible to not to get caught up in some wrong-doing in that orange administration.

I agree that he will be a lame duck also.

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Reply #7 posted 01/08/19 1:20pm

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poppys said:

KoolEaze said:

I understand why some want to get rid of him, but would they seriously rather have Pence as the new president? That guy is far, far worse than Trump. If Trump does not end up in prison he´ll serve a second term.


I think the opposite. Pence becomes a lame duck and his power would be diminished after an impeachment.

But impeachment is not as popular, for some decent enough reasons. Clearly his own party has to turn against him, that is the problem. Keep fighting him in the courts to limit his moves and make sure he isn't re-elected.

It will get crazy if Trump is harmed or impeached.

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Reply #8 posted 01/08/19 2:11pm

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Yep...Pence would be like Ford taking over after Nixon was booted out of office.....a lame duck who will easily be defeated in the next presidential election.

poppys said:

KoolEaze said:

I understand why some want to get rid of him, but would they seriously rather have Pence as the new president? That guy is far, far worse than Trump. If Trump does not end up in prison he´ll serve a second term.


I think the opposite. Pence becomes a lame duck and his power would be diminished after an impeachment.

[Edited 1/8/19 14:12pm]

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Reply #9 posted 01/08/19 2:15pm

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poppys said:


But impeachment is not as popular, for some decent enough reasons. Clearly his own party has to turn against him, that is the problem.

if Mueller's report shows,without a doubt,that Trump committed crimes,the Republicans will have no choice.They will have to support impeachment.The public will demand it,too.

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Reply #10 posted 01/08/19 2:20pm

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

poppys said:


I think the opposite. Pence becomes a lame duck and his power would be diminished after an impeachment.

But impeachment is not as popular, for some decent enough reasons. Clearly his own party has to turn against him, that is the problem. Keep fighting him in the courts to limit his moves and make sure he isn't re-elected.

It will get crazy if Trump is harmed or impeached.



I hope you're right. I am so ready for that. I honestly cannot wait. It's my most fervent wish that any and every Trump-supporting anti-American comes my way. I cannot imagine anything more fun.

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Reply #11 posted 01/08/19 2:52pm

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poppys said:



KoolEaze said:


I understand why some want to get rid of him, but would they seriously rather have Pence as the new president? That guy is far, far worse than Trump. If Trump does not end up in prison he´ll serve a second term.




I think the opposite. Pence becomes a lame duck and his power would be diminished after an impeachment.

But impeachment is not as popular, for some decent enough reasons. Clearly his own party has to turn against him, that is the problem. Keep fighting him in the courts to limit his moves and make sure he isn't re-elected.


Exactly. If Pence has learned anything, that if he acts like trump, he’ll just get the same treatment from most who oppose trump. Trump
Cares about one thing and that’s his ego. He doesn’t care about the Americans affected by the shutdown. He doesn’t care who may be facing eviction or lack of funds and food on their table. He doesn’t even care if it’s trump supporters who are federal workers. This shutdown should also wake up any federal workers who are trump supporters, because he certainly couldn’t care less about any of their bills not getting paid or if they have any funds to get to work, and not being paid.
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Reply #12 posted 01/08/19 2:59pm

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

poppys said:


I think the opposite. Pence becomes a lame duck and his power would be diminished after an impeachment.

But impeachment is not as popular, for some decent enough reasons. Clearly his own party has to turn against him, that is the problem. Keep fighting him in the courts to limit his moves and make sure he isn't re-elected.

It will get crazy if Trump is harmed or impeached.

Who said anything about harm?

Just so I am clear - you'd rather a lying swindling criminal be your president? And if he is found to be guilty of legal worng-doings you'd "get crazy" if there was movement to impeach him?

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Reply #13 posted 01/08/19 5:13pm

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RodeoSchro said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

It will get crazy if Trump is harmed or impeached.



I hope you're right. I am so ready for that. I honestly cannot wait. It's my most fervent wish that any and every Trump-supporting anti-American comes my way. I cannot imagine anything more fun.


There's medication and therapy for that. Please see a doctor and get rid of this lust for violence. It's not healthy. lol

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DiminutiveRocker said:



SuperFurryAnimal said:




poppys said:




I think the opposite. Pence becomes a lame duck and his power would be diminished after an impeachment.

But impeachment is not as popular, for some decent enough reasons. Clearly his own party has to turn against him, that is the problem. Keep fighting him in the courts to limit his moves and make sure he isn't re-elected.




It will get crazy if Trump is harmed or impeached.



Who said anything about harm?


Just so I am clear - you'd rather a lying swindling criminal be your president? And if he is found to be guilty of legal worng-doings you'd "get crazy" if there was movement to impeach him?



I have always called for peaceful solutions. If they kill President Trump all I'm saying is those involved and those calling for it will get it back ten fold.
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Reply #15 posted 01/08/19 5:19pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

Who said anything about harm?

Just so I am clear - you'd rather a lying swindling criminal be your president? And if he is found to be guilty of legal worng-doings you'd "get crazy" if there was movement to impeach him?


I have always called for peaceful solutions. If they kill President Trump all I'm saying is those involved and those calling for it will get it back ten fold.


So far you're the only one around here saying that. Hope the feds aren't tapping your org account.

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Reply #16 posted 01/08/19 5:54pm

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Who said anything about harm?

Just so I am clear - you'd rather a lying swindling criminal be your president? And if he is found to be guilty of legal worng-doings you'd "get crazy" if there was movement to impeach him?

I have always called for peaceful solutions. If they kill President Trump all I'm saying is those involved and those calling for it will get it back ten fold.

WHO is threatening that or calling for it? Why would you even bring it up?


But answer my question - in the meantime it's ok with you if he blantantly LIES to the public about policy and statistics and facts? It's OK to create a shutdown and prevent people from being paid what they've earned? That's OK with you?

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He’s a terrible president. He never takes responsibility for his actions. He is a failure and blaming Democrats for everything. He’s the one responsible for the shutdown.
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Reply #18 posted 01/08/19 6:11pm

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poppys said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

DiminutiveRocker said:
I have always called for peaceful solutions. If they kill President Trump all I'm saying is those involved and those calling for it will get it back ten fold.


So far you're the only one around here saying that. Hope the feds aren't tapping your org account.

10 fold. From a bunch of whiny right wing pussies lol lol

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Reply #19 posted 01/08/19 6:12pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:



SuperFurryAnimal said:


DiminutiveRocker said:


Who said anything about harm?


Just so I am clear - you'd rather a lying swindling criminal be your president? And if he is found to be guilty of legal worng-doings you'd "get crazy" if there was movement to impeach him?



I have always called for peaceful solutions. If they kill President Trump all I'm saying is those involved and those calling for it will get it back ten fold.


WHO is threatening that or calling for it? Why would you even bring it up?


But answer my question - in the meantime it's ok with you if he blantantly LIES to the public about policy and statistics and facts? It's OK to create a shutdown and prevent people from being paid what they've earned? That's OK with you?

[Edited 1/8/19 17:56pm]


Exactly. He’s the only one even mentioning something like that, which is uncalled for. It seems he’s doing that just to stir up false accusations and lies.
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Reply #20 posted 01/08/19 6:59pm

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2elijah said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

WHO is threatening that or calling for it? Why would you even bring it up?


But answer my question - in the meantime it's ok with you if he blantantly LIES to the public about policy and statistics and facts? It's OK to create a shutdown and prevent people from being paid what they've earned? That's OK with you?

[Edited 1/8/19 17:56pm]

Exactly. He’s the only one even mentioning something like that, which is uncalled for. It seems he’s doing that just to stir up false accusations and lies. [Edited 1/8/19 18:13pm]


Trump must be his idol! lol

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Reply #21 posted 01/08/19 8:27pm

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2elijah said:

He’s a terrible president. He never takes responsibility for his actions. He is a failure and blaming Democrats for everything. He’s the one responsible for the shutdown.


Trump is a national embarrassment.Worst president ever.....an idiotic amateur who has no idea what he’s doing.
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The turd that just won’t flush
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Reply #23 posted 01/09/19 7:16am

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Trump might be the worst president this country has seen in several decades.

He is a liar.

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Trump this morning:



Billions of dollars are sent to the State of California for Forest fires that, with proper Forest Management, would never happen. Unless they get their act together, which is unlikely, I have ordered FEMA to send no more money. It is a disgraceful situation in lives & money!

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poppys said:



SuperFurryAnimal said:


DiminutiveRocker said:


Who said anything about harm?


Just so I am clear - you'd rather a lying swindling criminal be your president? And if he is found to be guilty of legal worng-doings you'd "get crazy" if there was movement to impeach him?




I have always called for peaceful solutions. If they kill President Trump all I'm saying is those involved and those calling for it will get it back ten fold.



So far you're the only one around here saying that. Hope the feds aren't tapping your org account.



People have called for violence against Alex Jones. He is hardcore Trump supporter. In another thread others quoted people who have shot and killed previous Presidents. I would only protect President Trump and all the other Presidents because that is how I was brought up. The President is a big deal to me, even if I disagree with them. If someone tried to kill Trump or Obama I would with pride take the bullet.
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benni said:

Trump this morning:



Billions of dollars are sent to the State of California for Forest fires that, with proper Forest Management, would never happen. Unless they get their act together, which is unlikely, I have ordered FEMA to send no more money. It is a disgraceful situation in lives & money!


He always says "billions and billions" or "thousands and thousands" etc. but can never give a figure eg $45 billion or $45 thousand... rolleyes

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luv4u said:

benni said:

Trump this morning:



Billions of dollars are sent to the State of California for Forest fires that, with proper Forest Management, would never happen. Unless they get their act together, which is unlikely, I have ordered FEMA to send no more money. It is a disgraceful situation in lives & money!

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He always says "billions and billions" or "thousands and thousands" etc. but can never give a figure eg $45 billion or $45 thousand... rolleyes


Meanwhile the two big fires this year, Camp Fire & Woolsey Fire were NOT in the forrest!!!!

And there's this:

Increase in fuel

A direct contributor to the 2018 California wildfires was an increase in dead tree fuel.[22] By December 2017, there were a record 129 million dead trees in California.[23]

Atmospheric conditions

Stanford Earth System Science Professor Noah Diffenbaugh stated that atmospheric conditions for California wildfires are expected to worsen in the future because of the effects of climate change in Californiaand that "what we're seeing over the last few years in terms of the wildfire season in California [is] very consistent with the historical trends in terms of increasing temperatures, increasing dryness, and increasing wildfire risk." Other experts agreed, saying that global warming is to blame for these extreme weather conditions. Global warming led to higher temperatures and less rain, creating a drier landscape that gave fires more fuel to burn longer and stronger.[24]





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Reply #28 posted 01/09/19 4:41pm

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^^ Don't they think the Camp Fire was started by the power company?

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poppys said:

^^ Don't they think the Camp Fire was started by the power company?


yeah - PG&E... neutral

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