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Reply #210 posted 12/28/18 10:29am

poppys

Deranged tweets as usual. The actual truth - even Fox knows Trump can't legally shut down the border.

https://thehill.com/homenews/media/418260-foxs-napolitano-trump-cannot-legally-shut-down-southern-border

“He cannot legally do it," Napolitano said on Fox News. "We know that because of federal statutes. They were last revised in 1986 when our relationship with migrants coming north was very different than it is now."

“But that’s the law as he finds it and that’s the law as he is required to enforce it," Napolitano continued. "And that’s the law that the federal judge in San Francisco that the president attempted to disparage by calling an ‘Obama judge’ told him he had to enforce as well.”

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Reply #211 posted 12/28/18 11:15am

onlyforaminute

^ I have no idea of people's opinions on what can and can't be done. I'm just going by what IS happening.

This was in November of this year.

According to Bloomberg, Trump signed the order two days ago and that "I’ve already shutdown parts of the border" warning that the entire border may be closed if conflict with migrants escalates.

"If we find that its uncontrollable,” he said, “if we find that it gets to a level where we are going to lose control or people are going to start getting hurt, we will close entry into the country for a period of time until we can get it under control."

"The whole border,” he clarified. "I mean the whole border. And Mexico will not be able to sell their cars into the United States where they make so many cars at great benefit to them, not at great benefit to us."


U.S. border officials on Sunday temporarily closed the San Ysidro port of entry between Tijuana and San Diego, one of the busiest border crossings in the world, “to ensure public safety" after agents shot several rounds of tear gas at migrants, leaving children screaming and coughing, the Associated Press reported.


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Reply #212 posted 12/28/18 12:04pm

poppys

There are legal aspects. Whatever Trump says, he cannot legally shut down the border. The key word about Tijuana is temporarily.


“That’s the law as he finds it,” Napolitano continued. “That’s the law as he is required to enforce it. That’s the law that the federal judge in San Francisco that the president attempted to disparage by calling him an ‘Obama judge’ told him he had to enforce as well.”

Napolitano also noted that migrants “escaping a government pursuing you or escaping a government failing to enforce basic law and order” are legally allowed to enter the U.S.

“The president doesn’t want to hear this but it’s the law,” he said. “Anywhere you want. You are then to be brought in the U.S. Back to the port where you should have entered and processed there.”

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Reply #213 posted 12/28/18 12:11pm

onlyforaminute

poppys said:

There are legal aspects. Whatever Trump says, he cannot legally shut down the border. The key word about Tijuana is temporarily.


“That’s the law as he finds it,” Napolitano continued. “That’s the law as he is required to enforce it. That’s the law that the federal judge in San Francisco that the president attempted to disparage by calling him an ‘Obama judge’ told him he had to enforce as well.”

Napolitano also noted that migrants “escaping a government pursuing you or escaping a government failing to enforce basic law and order” are legally allowed to enter the U.S.

“The president doesn’t want to hear this but it’s the law,” he said. “Anywhere you want. You are then to be brought in the U.S. Back to the port where you should have entered and processed there.”



It's just weird that the first thing not coming out of most mouths is not " He can't, it's against the law of the land", most of what I'm reading is "Oh, he'll back down" Makes me worry there is a loophole hidden somewhere he knows about.

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Reply #214 posted 12/28/18 1:55pm

poppys

onlyforaminute said:

poppys said:

There are legal aspects. Whatever Trump says, he cannot legally shut down the border. The key word about Tijuana is temporarily.


“That’s the law as he finds it,” Napolitano continued. “That’s the law as he is required to enforce it. That’s the law that the federal judge in San Francisco that the president attempted to disparage by calling him an ‘Obama judge’ told him he had to enforce as well.”

Napolitano also noted that migrants “escaping a government pursuing you or escaping a government failing to enforce basic law and order” are legally allowed to enter the U.S.

“The president doesn’t want to hear this but it’s the law,” he said. “Anywhere you want. You are then to be brought in the U.S. Back to the port where you should have entered and processed there.”



It's just weird that the first thing not coming out of most mouths is not " He can't, it's against the law of the land", most of what I'm reading is "Oh, he'll back down" Makes me worry there is a loophole hidden somewhere he knows about.


He lies and will try anything. There are channels that have to be followed. Just like when he imposed the travel ban and it took a few days in the courts to stop it.

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Reply #215 posted 12/28/18 10:23pm

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onlyforaminute said:

poppys said:

There are legal aspects. Whatever Trump says, he cannot legally shut down the border. The key word about Tijuana is temporarily.


“That’s the law as he finds it,” Napolitano continued. “That’s the law as he is required to enforce it. That’s the law that the federal judge in San Francisco that the president attempted to disparage by calling him an ‘Obama judge’ told him he had to enforce as well.”

Napolitano also noted that migrants “escaping a government pursuing you or escaping a government failing to enforce basic law and order” are legally allowed to enter the U.S.

“The president doesn’t want to hear this but it’s the law,” he said. “Anywhere you want. You are then to be brought in the U.S. Back to the port where you should have entered and processed there.”



It's just weird that the first thing not coming out of most mouths is not " He can't, it's against the law of the land", most of what I'm reading is "Oh, he'll back down" Makes me worry there is a loophole hidden somewhere he knows about.

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What is a bigger worry is he bluffing with a 2 and a 7 offsuit at other people's expense. He is relying on other people having more goodwill and care for others than he has and that his followers will see this stunt as tough and necessary (so long as it is only others who will suffer and take any blaim)

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Reply #216 posted 01/02/19 3:44pm

onlyforaminute

Now that I've mentioned Pence.


Trump Rejects Shutdown Compromise Proposed by Pence Before Meeting with Democrats

http://fortune.com/2019/0...democrats/

The New York Times reported that Pence previously assured both GOP and Democratic senators that Trump would embrace a stopgap budget bill to push back a deadline to February 8. The Senate passed that bill unanimously and then Trump refused to sign it, at which point the House declined to bring it up for a vote.

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Reply #217 posted 01/02/19 3:48pm

poppys

IanRG said:

onlyforaminute said:



It's just weird that the first thing not coming out of most mouths is not " He can't, it's against the law of the land", most of what I'm reading is "Oh, he'll back down" Makes me worry there is a loophole hidden somewhere he knows about.

.

What is a bigger worry is he bluffing with a 2 and a 7 offsuit at other people's expense. He is relying on other people having more goodwill and care for others than he has and that his followers will see this stunt as tough and necessary (so long as it is only others who will suffer and take any blaim)


That is so true, Ian. Relying on other people to be the bigger person is pretty much his entire game.

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Reply #218 posted 01/02/19 4:25pm

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IanRG said:

onlyforaminute said:



It's just weird that the first thing not coming out of most mouths is not " He can't, it's against the law of the land", most of what I'm reading is "Oh, he'll back down" Makes me worry there is a loophole hidden somewhere he knows about.

.

What is a bigger worry is he bluffing with a 2 and a 7 offsuit at other people's expense. He is relying on other people having more goodwill and care for others than he has and that his followers will see this stunt as tough and necessary (so long as it is only others who will suffer and take any blaim)


Exactly. His followers only see this campaign promise as something he said was necessary and they are not affected either way.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
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Reply #219 posted 01/02/19 4:52pm

onlyforaminute

IanRG said:

onlyforaminute said:



It's just weird that the first thing not coming out of most mouths is not " He can't, it's against the law of the land", most of what I'm reading is "Oh, he'll back down" Makes me worry there is a loophole hidden somewhere he knows about.

.

What is a bigger worry is he bluffing with a 2 and a 7 offsuit at other people's expense. He is relying on other people having more goodwill and care for others than he has and that his followers will see this stunt as tough and necessary (so long as it is only others who will suffer and take any blaim)


Sociopathic behavior, there's a saying about businessmen, yet people (corps) want one for president.
A wall for a landmass whose borders are primarily coastline because Israel, a land locked country, has one that seems to work. I heard that on the radio today.

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Reply #220 posted 01/02/19 5:30pm

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The president has puzzled lawmakers and his own aides with his contention that Mexico is financing the wall through the revised Nafta trade pact between Mexico, Canada and the United States, known as the USMCA. The agreement, which has yet to pass Congress, contains no such proviso, and it is designed to lower tariffs, not raise them.



And while Mr. Trump claims that the wall is already being built, the Republican-controlled Congress enacted legislation barring any money from being spent to do so, and no such construction has occurred. The Trump administration has spent less than 10 percent of the other border security funding, for fencing and other measures, that Congress provided over the last year.

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Reply #221 posted 01/02/19 5:45pm

onlyforaminute

DiminutiveRocker said:

disbelief

The president has puzzled lawmakers and his own aides with his contention that Mexico is financing the wall through the revised Nafta trade pact between Mexico, Canada and the United States, known as the USMCA. The agreement, which has yet to pass Congress, contains no such proviso, and it is designed to lower tariffs, not raise them.



And while Mr. Trump claims that the wall is already being built, the Republican-controlled Congress enacted legislation barring any money from being spent to do so, and no such construction has occurred. The Trump administration has spent less than 10 percent of the other border security funding, for fencing and other measures, that Congress provided over the last year.



He going to test this new bunch coming in fortitude, hope they are solid people.

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