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Jehovah Witness - a special episode of ScientologyThe Aftermath

Since we've talked a lot about Prince and the JWs, here's an FYI: On A&E tonight, Scientology The Afterman is doing a one-off 2-hour special on Jehovah's Witnesses, and how close some of their policies and beliefs are to Scientology. It'll probably repeat later tonight, and be onDemand on the A&E app later.



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Reply #1 posted 11/13/18 8:25pm

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I wonder what exactly those similarities could be.

Don´t all strict religions, or rather all religions when practised correctly, bear similarities to Scientology in so far as they all threaten ex-followers and critics?

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KoolEaze said:

I wonder what exactly those similarities could be.

Don´t all strict religions, or rather all religions when practised correctly, bear similarities to Scientology in so far as they all threaten ex-followers and critics?


No, not all are like Scientology. This is not about whether Jesus was the Messiah, or if the Trinity is real, or sprinkle vs immersion baptisms or that stuff. This is about the cultish practices.

There were a group of former JWs. One of the main things they focused on (but not exclusively) was the disconnection policy. You are told to disconnect from suppressive people in the Scientology religion when they speak out or otherwise balk at a Scientologist or the "technology" (ie: the text, their scripture). In JW, when you do something that threatens Jehovah's word, you are sometimes DF'd (DeFellowshipped). Everything you do either puts you on a path to hell to die in the coming Armageddon, or you'll be on the right side of it and survive. People talked about their families being torn apart, fathers not talking to sons or their new 4-year-old grandchildren, simply because the son said, "I just don't believe this". The father chose religion over a relationship with his son. You can't date "worldly" people because JW's believe Satan controls the world. Another family lost a son to suicide because of his isolation outside the church. An MMA fighter was on the show (Nick Quarry) who came out of it, and his friend is the one who killed himself. The son's parents were there talking about the loss of their son, too.

It leads into why JW's choose not to be part of birthdays, holidays, etc. Even kids in school cannot join the track team, the tennis team, glee club, football, anything outside of the basic courses. When a person is DF'd in the church, it is sometimes done in front of the whole congregation, and the congregation literally ignores the person, not allowed to even look at them, so the person leaves with a total disconnection from everyone they ever considered a friend; because why have friends outside of the church? That is totally what Scientology does, too. The disconnection separates families and lifelong friends. JW's see the DF'ing as "tough love", thinking it'll bring the people back into the fold by forcing separation on them.

They also covered child abuse, and how there must to be 2 or 3 witnesses to an infraction before it can be brought before the elders. Well, whoever has a witness when they are being sexually abused at 9 years old?! Australia found the church hid over 1000 known pedophiles because of that one rule. A woman had sued the church for knowingly not told they had a pedophile in their midst that had abused her repeatedly and won millions of dollars. Others brought similar suits and the church settles out of court with every one of them. Pedophiles are rampant in the Scientology sect, too. One girl who lived with a JW family told another 9-year-old girl about what happened. They both realized this father was abusing both of them. They went to the elders since they were each other's witnesses and that made 2 against this man, and he was convicted and put in jail. A wife went to the elders saying her husband was beating her. The church blamed her for not being submissive or subjugated enough to him, and there was nothing they could do. It was her fault. They believe women are weaker, not as smart, and the humble submission to a man is an honor. That's why there are no women teachers or otherwise in the church. For a woman to think she's equal to a man, and just as smart or smarter is more offensive to them than using the N-word it seems.

They also covered blood transfusions, and people dying left and right because the one medical thing that could save them, they are disallowed from accepting. They said doctors bullied people into taking blood, but JWs would show up

I was raised in an independent Baptist church; we even thought Southern Baptists were heathens. We didn't have disconnect policies, but the level of "be in the world, not of it" was oppressive. I once showed up, in my 20s after serving in the military and was back home, with a small earring in my ear. People I knew for all of my 21 years ignored me like I was a stranger. They didn't have a disconnect policy like JW & Scientology does, but they sure let you know they disapproved of something you wore, what you did, or whatever.

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Scientology is not a religion........ where is God, Jesus and the Holy Bible???

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Reply #5 posted 11/14/18 9:15pm

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luv4u said:

Scientology is not a religion........ where is God, Jesus and the Holy Bible???


I mean, with that logic it would say that Hinduism, Islam, Buddhism, and similar things aren't religion.

Religion is defined as a habit. I think what people crave is a connection with something/one bigger than them. They don't want futility in their lives, just meandering around like ants until someone proverbially steps on them. But I don't think religion is indicative of naming God, or Jesus, or the Bible.

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Reply #6 posted 11/15/18 4:26am

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TrivialPursuit said:



KoolEaze said:


I wonder what exactly those similarities could be.


Don´t all strict religions, or rather all religions when practised correctly, bear similarities to Scientology in so far as they all threaten ex-followers and critics?




No, not all are like Scientology. This is not about whether Jesus was the Messiah, or if the Trinity is real, or sprinkle vs immersion baptisms or that stuff. This is about the cultish practices.

There were a group of former JWs. One of the main things they focused on (but not exclusively) was the disconnection policy. You are told to disconnect from suppressive people in the Scientology religion when they speak out or otherwise balk at a Scientologist or the "technology" (ie: the text, their scripture). In JW, when you do something that threatens Jehovah's word, you are sometimes DF'd (DeFellowshipped). Everything you do either puts you on a path to hell to die in the coming Armageddon, or you'll be on the right side of it and survive. People talked about their families being torn apart, fathers not talking to sons or their new 4-year-old grandchildren, simply because the son said, "I just don't believe this". The father chose religion over a relationship with his son. You can't date "worldly" people because JW's believe Satan controls the world. Another family lost a son to suicide because of his isolation outside the church. An MMA fighter was on the show (Nick Quarry) who came out of it, and his friend is the one who killed himself. The son's parents were there talking about the loss of their son, too.

It leads into why JW's choose not to be part of birthdays, holidays, etc. Even kids in school cannot join the track team, the tennis team, glee club, football, anything outside of the basic courses. When a person is DF'd in the church, it is sometimes done in front of the whole congregation, and the congregation literally ignores the person, not allowed to even look at them, so the person leaves with a total disconnection from everyone they ever considered a friend; because why have friends outside of the church? That is totally what Scientology does, too. The disconnection separates families and lifelong friends. JW's see the DF'ing as "tough love", thinking it'll bring the people back into the fold by forcing separation on them.

They also covered child abuse, and how there must to be 2 or 3 witnesses to an infraction before it can be brought before the elders. Well, whoever has a witness when they are being sexually abused at 9 years old?! Australia found the church hid over 1000 known pedophiles because of that one rule. A woman had sued the church for knowingly not told they had a pedophile in their midst that had abused her repeatedly and won millions of dollars. Others brought similar suits and the church settles out of court with every one of them. Pedophiles are rampant in the Scientology sect, too. One girl who lived with a JW family told another 9-year-old girl about what happened. They both realized this father was abusing both of them. They went to the elders since they were each other's witnesses and that made 2 against this man, and he was convicted and put in jail. A wife went to the elders saying her husband was beating her. The church blamed her for not being submissive or subjugated enough to him, and there was nothing they could do. It was her fault. They believe women are weaker, not as smart, and the humble submission to a man is an honor. That's why there are no women teachers or otherwise in the church. For a woman to think she's equal to a man, and just as smart or smarter is more offensive to them than using the N-word it seems.

They also covered blood transfusions, and people dying left and right because the one medical thing that could save them, they are disallowed from accepting. They said doctors bullied people into taking blood, but JWs would show up

I was raised in an independent Baptist church; we even thought Southern Baptists were heathens. We didn't have disconnect policies, but the level of "be in the world, not of it" was oppressive. I once showed up, in my 20s after serving in the military and was back home, with a small earring in my ear. People I knew for all of my 21 years ignored me like I was a stranger. They didn't have a disconnect policy like JW & Scientology does, but they sure let you know they disapproved of something you wore, what you did, or whatever.



It’s sad though, if it’s not a religion the one could see it as a cult. It’s sad how easy it is for people to be easily programmed by either religion/religious views or cults that sort of preach religious ideology, that may disconnect people tfrom the rest of society, who don’t hold their views?

Not saying one doesn’t have a right to choose or live by rules of their religion,, but to disown family members/friends others close to you that don’t hold your views is ridiculous. Isn’t compassion a part of all religions or how to be your best as a human being? So how can you be your best by ‘shunning’ those who don’t hold or agree withh your religious views? Makes no sense, just seems more about power and mind control.

I think many should realize the world is made up of individuals with different personalities and beliefs, and not one-sided to be one particular way in order to be accepted. There will always be opposites, good and bad within humanity that we don’t agree with, but I just don’t get the shunning/disassociation/sometimes mistreatment and disrespect that comes with some religions, towards those who don’t hold your religious beliefs. If you want others to respect your religious beliefs, then hold the same respect for those who have the right to disagree with your religious beliefs. Rant over. I’ll try to catch that show when it repeats it.
[Edited 11/15/18 4:28am]
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Reply #7 posted 11/15/18 8:28am

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2elijah said:

TrivialPursuit said:


No, not all are like Scientology. This is not about whether Jesus was the Messiah, or if the Trinity is real, or sprinkle vs immersion baptisms or that stuff. This is about the cultish practices.

There were a group of former JWs. One of the main things they focused on (but not exclusively) was the disconnection policy. You are told to disconnect from suppressive people in the Scientology religion when they speak out or otherwise balk at a Scientologist or the "technology" (ie: the text, their scripture). In JW, when you do something that threatens Jehovah's word, you are sometimes DF'd (DeFellowshipped). Everything you do either puts you on a path to hell to die in the coming Armageddon, or you'll be on the right side of it and survive. People talked about their families being torn apart, fathers not talking to sons or their new 4-year-old grandchildren, simply because the son said, "I just don't believe this". The father chose religion over a relationship with his son. You can't date "worldly" people because JW's believe Satan controls the world. Another family lost a son to suicide because of his isolation outside the church. An MMA fighter was on the show (Nick Quarry) who came out of it, and his friend is the one who killed himself. The son's parents were there talking about the loss of their son, too.

It leads into why JW's choose not to be part of birthdays, holidays, etc. Even kids in school cannot join the track team, the tennis team, glee club, football, anything outside of the basic courses. When a person is DF'd in the church, it is sometimes done in front of the whole congregation, and the congregation literally ignores the person, not allowed to even look at them, so the person leaves with a total disconnection from everyone they ever considered a friend; because why have friends outside of the church? That is totally what Scientology does, too. The disconnection separates families and lifelong friends. JW's see the DF'ing as "tough love", thinking it'll bring the people back into the fold by forcing separation on them.

They also covered child abuse, and how there must to be 2 or 3 witnesses to an infraction before it can be brought before the elders. Well, whoever has a witness when they are being sexually abused at 9 years old?! Australia found the church hid over 1000 known pedophiles because of that one rule. A woman had sued the church for knowingly not told they had a pedophile in their midst that had abused her repeatedly and won millions of dollars. Others brought similar suits and the church settles out of court with every one of them. Pedophiles are rampant in the Scientology sect, too. One girl who lived with a JW family told another 9-year-old girl about what happened. They both realized this father was abusing both of them. They went to the elders since they were each other's witnesses and that made 2 against this man, and he was convicted and put in jail. A wife went to the elders saying her husband was beating her. The church blamed her for not being submissive or subjugated enough to him, and there was nothing they could do. It was her fault. They believe women are weaker, not as smart, and the humble submission to a man is an honor. That's why there are no women teachers or otherwise in the church. For a woman to think she's equal to a man, and just as smart or smarter is more offensive to them than using the N-word it seems.

They also covered blood transfusions, and people dying left and right because the one medical thing that could save them, they are disallowed from accepting. They said doctors bullied people into taking blood, but JWs would show up

I was raised in an independent Baptist church; we even thought Southern Baptists were heathens. We didn't have disconnect policies, but the level of "be in the world, not of it" was oppressive. I once showed up, in my 20s after serving in the military and was back home, with a small earring in my ear. People I knew for all of my 21 years ignored me like I was a stranger. They didn't have a disconnect policy like JW & Scientology does, but they sure let you know they disapproved of something you wore, what you did, or whatever.


It’s sad though, if it’s not a religion the one could see it as a cult. It’s sad how easy it is for people to be easily programmed by either religion/religious views or cults that sort of preach religious ideology, that may disconnect people tfrom the rest of society, who don’t hold their views? Not saying one doesn’t have a right to choose or live by rules of their religion,, but to disown family members/friends others close to you that don’t hold your views is ridiculous. Isn’t compassion a part of all religions or how to be your best as a human being? So how can you be your best by ‘shunning’ those who don’t hold or agree withh your religious views? Makes no sense, just seems more about power and mind control. I think many should realize the world is made up of individuals with different personalities and beliefs, and not one-sided to be one particular way in order to be accepted. There will always be opposites, good and bad within humanity that we don’t agree with, but I just don’t get the shunning/disassociation/sometimes mistreatment and disrespect that comes with some religions, towards those who don’t hold your religious beliefs. If you want others to respect your religious beliefs, then hold the same respect for those who have the right to disagree with your religious beliefs. Rant over. I’ll try to catch that show when it repeats it.


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Reply #8 posted 11/27/18 10:26pm

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2elijah said:

TrivialPursuit said:



KoolEaze said:


I wonder what exactly those similarities could be.


Don´t all strict religions, or rather all religions when practised correctly, bear similarities to Scientology in so far as they all threaten ex-followers and critics?




No, not all are like Scientology. This is not about whether Jesus was the Messiah, or if the Trinity is real, or sprinkle vs immersion baptisms or that stuff. This is about the cultish practices.

There were a group of former JWs. One of the main things they focused on (but not exclusively) was the disconnection policy. You are told to disconnect from suppressive people in the Scientology religion when they speak out or otherwise balk at a Scientologist or the "technology" (ie: the text, their scripture). In JW, when you do something that threatens Jehovah's word, you are sometimes DF'd (DeFellowshipped). Everything you do either puts you on a path to hell to die in the coming Armageddon, or you'll be on the right side of it and survive. People talked about their families being torn apart, fathers not talking to sons or their new 4-year-old grandchildren, simply because the son said, "I just don't believe this". The father chose religion over a relationship with his son. You can't date "worldly" people because JW's believe Satan controls the world. Another family lost a son to suicide because of his isolation outside the church. An MMA fighter was on the show (Nick Quarry) who came out of it, and his friend is the one who killed himself. The son's parents were there talking about the loss of their son, too.

It leads into why JW's choose not to be part of birthdays, holidays, etc. Even kids in school cannot join the track team, the tennis team, glee club, football, anything outside of the basic courses. When a person is DF'd in the church, it is sometimes done in front of the whole congregation, and the congregation literally ignores the person, not allowed to even look at them, so the person leaves with a total disconnection from everyone they ever considered a friend; because why have friends outside of the church? That is totally what Scientology does, too. The disconnection separates families and lifelong friends. JW's see the DF'ing as "tough love", thinking it'll bring the people back into the fold by forcing separation on them.

They also covered child abuse, and how there must to be 2 or 3 witnesses to an infraction before it can be brought before the elders. Well, whoever has a witness when they are being sexually abused at 9 years old?! Australia found the church hid over 1000 known pedophiles because of that one rule. A woman had sued the church for knowingly not told they had a pedophile in their midst that had abused her repeatedly and won millions of dollars. Others brought similar suits and the church settles out of court with every one of them. Pedophiles are rampant in the Scientology sect, too. One girl who lived with a JW family told another 9-year-old girl about what happened. They both realized this father was abusing both of them. They went to the elders since they were each other's witnesses and that made 2 against this man, and he was convicted and put in jail. A wife went to the elders saying her husband was beating her. The church blamed her for not being submissive or subjugated enough to him, and there was nothing they could do. It was her fault. They believe women are weaker, not as smart, and the humble submission to a man is an honor. That's why there are no women teachers or otherwise in the church. For a woman to think she's equal to a man, and just as smart or smarter is more offensive to them than using the N-word it seems.

They also covered blood transfusions, and people dying left and right because the one medical thing that could save them, they are disallowed from accepting. They said doctors bullied people into taking blood, but JWs would show up

I was raised in an independent Baptist church; we even thought Southern Baptists were heathens. We didn't have disconnect policies, but the level of "be in the world, not of it" was oppressive. I once showed up, in my 20s after serving in the military and was back home, with a small earring in my ear. People I knew for all of my 21 years ignored me like I was a stranger. They didn't have a disconnect policy like JW & Scientology does, but they sure let you know they disapproved of something you wore, what you did, or whatever.



It’s sad though, if it’s not a religion the one could see it as a cult. It’s sad how easy it is for people to be easily programmed by either religion/religious views or cults that sort of preach religious ideology, that may disconnect people tfrom the rest of society, who don’t hold their views?

Not saying one doesn’t have a right to choose or live by rules of their religion,, but to disown family members/friends others close to you that don’t hold your views is ridiculous. Isn’t compassion a part of all religions or how to be your best as a human being? So how can you be your best by ‘shunning’ those who don’t hold or agree withh your religious views? Makes no sense, just seems more about power and mind control.

I think many should realize the world is made up of individuals with different personalities and beliefs, and not one-sided to be one particular way in order to be accepted. There will always be opposites, good and bad within humanity that we don’t agree with, but I just don’t get the shunning/disassociation/sometimes mistreatment and disrespect that comes with some religions, towards those who don’t hold your religious beliefs. If you want others to respect your religious beliefs, then hold the same respect for those who have the right to disagree with your religious beliefs. Rant over. I’ll try to catch that show when it repeats it.
[Edited 11/15/18 4:28am]


Shunning is used by cults to keep members from leaving. It’s especially bad the way it’s practiced by JWs, beginning with a “judicial committee”, consisting of men who are the judge/jury/executioner who judge whether someone is repentant or not and needs to be disfellowshipped. Goes completely against what Jesus taught about not judging others and showing loving kindness.

I truly believe if the Governing Body, a group of old men in New York whose interpretation of the Bible JWs follow, discovered “new light”, and said shunning is not Christian after all (they have a history of flip-flopping on their teachings) I think JWs would lose at least 50% of their membership.
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I had a couple hours to kill Saturday afternoon at the hotel, and the hotel TV system had the Scientology Network. I watched 45 minutes of it.

The first segment was the painstaking restoration of a bunch of old L. Ron Hubbard speeches. The second half was interviews with a bunch of people that are Scientologists, talking about how much Sicentology has helped them. I was hoping to see Tom Cruise or John Travolta, but no dice.

However, the people they showed seemed normal. After each one finished their little speech on the benefits of Scientology, I told my daughter, "Hmmm, that person doesn't seem crazy". (I was kind of joking.)

She reported me to my wife and now the whole family thinks I'm a Scientologist.

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So the new season of Scientology The Aftermath started last week with a soft launch of Leah, Mike, & others talking about the emotional ramifications. But this week's "Star Witness" episode has a woman who escapes only two years ago (in the trunk of a car) and for a while was the personal assistant to Shelly Miscavige (leader David's wife who has been missing from the public for 12 years). It's one of the most intense episodes I've ever seen.

I told my friend (who lives with a Scientologist in Sacramento), "If this was a 12-hour marathon, I would sit and watch every single second".

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I had a couple hours to kill Saturday afternoon at the hotel, and the hotel TV system had the Scientology Network. I watched 45 minutes of it.

The first segment was the painstaking restoration of a bunch of old L. Ron Hubbard speeches. The second half was interviews with a bunch of people that are Scientologists, talking about how much Sicentology has helped them. I was hoping to see Tom Cruise or John Travolta, but no dice.

However, the people they showed seemed normal. After each one finished their little speech on the benefits of Scientology, I told my daughter, "Hmmm, that person doesn't seem crazy". (I was kind of joking.)

She reported me to my wife and now the whole family thinks I'm a Scientologist.





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There are many religious groups who practice shunning. The Amish do, and groups like it do. Sad really. But JW are not politically active. They don't do things to affect the laws of the land. Which I think is different than Scientologist.
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Reply #13 posted 11/28/18 8:22am

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onlyforaminute said:

There are many religious groups who practice shunning. The Amish do, and groups like it do. Sad really. But JW are not politically active. They don't do things to affect the laws of the land. Which I think is different than Scientologist.


You cannot set JW apart because they aren't as politically active as say the Mormon church. The laws of the land are shit compared to relationships and family structure and support being instantly cut off. When a parent walks by their child and purposes ignores them as if they don't exist solely for the purposes of a religious text, that is no different regardless of the group's name or political affiliation.

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Reply #14 posted 11/28/18 11:02am

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TrivialPursuit said:

onlyforaminute said:

There are many religious groups who practice shunning. The Amish do, and groups like it do. Sad really. But JW are not politically active. They don't do things to affect the laws of the land. Which I think is different than Scientologist.


You cannot set JW apart because they aren't as politically active as say the Mormon church. The laws of the land are shit compared to relationships and family structure and support being instantly cut off. When a parent walks by their child and purposes ignores them as if they don't exist solely for the purposes of a religious text, that is no different regardless of the group's name or political affiliation.



Oh, I have very strong feelings about the shunning practices. The religious environment I grew up in saw the JW as pariah. Now personally, I've gotten to know individuals and have an appreciation for what might attract someone to that denomination and I don't see it as strongly as what I was taught as a kid. Scientology I don't get at all, to me that's a rich folks religion. I only brought up the political angle because that's my understanding why people even care what other people want to practice in their personal lives because the political arena is where it might affect their life. Which I can say JW don't get involved in. I'm getting leery about these strong pushes to control what people choose to do with their life, especially in things that don't really affect the populace, even when it's things I don't agree with. There is always that line to consider.

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Oh, I have very strong feelings about the shunning practices. The religious environment I grew up in saw the JW as pariah. Now personally, I've gotten to know individuals and have an appreciation for what might attract someone to that denomination and I don't see it as strongly as what I was taught as a kid. Scientology I don't get at all, to me that's a rich folks religion. I only brought up the political angle because that's my understanding why people even care what other people want to practice in their personal lives because the political arena is where it might affect their life. Which I can say JW don't get involved in. I'm getting leery about these strong pushes to control what people choose to do with their life, especially in things that don't really affect the populace, even when it's things I don't agree with. There is always that line to consider.


And please understand, I was only challenging the statements, not you. (Just wanted to say that.)

I too was raised in a really religious house. My grandfather started the Independent Baptist church I was raised in. We thought Southern Baptists were near heathens. I suppose people like me or you have a unique perspective on religion when it comes to this sort of thing with shunning, etc.

As far as Scientology being a rich person religion, it's not. There are celebrities drawn to it, but it has always marketed itself to the everyday person who wants more from life, and they have the answer. The celebrity part started because L. Ron Hubbard found the power of celebrity important to bring other regular folks to his little science fiction show, as well as their bank accounts.

My friend, that I've mentioned earlier, who lives with a Scientologist (and a really bad one, by the way) said her Scientologist friend has two (possibly three) mortgages on her house, simply because the church (they call it their local 'mission') needs funding, and that the parishioners are here to clear the planet, so they don't suffer for all eternity. Everyone has to read all the texts of LRH, and that costs money. They have a whole credit department that gets into people's credit cards to get their credit lines increased, so the parishioners can give more money to the church. It is so totally money based. They aren't even sly about it. When you have 3 mortgages on your home to pay for a new printing of the same books (because they'll say they found 'new texts' or something was wrong in the previous versions, like a period or comma was literally in the wrong place and it changes the impact of the texts on the practitioner), something is really wrong. Other religions can take their offerings or tithes, but Scientology is a straight up scam. even LRH said the best way to get rich is to create a religion. And he did just that. Rich people benefit from the church kissing their ass, but it's the 90% of the regular folks that are suffering foreclosures, etc. It's not a "well then they deserve it" thing. These people are hurting, and need help in some other way that doesn't bleed them dry. The church is a pariah.

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Oh, I have very strong feelings about the shunning practices. The religious environment I grew up in saw the JW as pariah. Now personally, I've gotten to know individuals and have an appreciation for what might attract someone to that denomination and I don't see it as strongly as what I was taught as a kid. Scientology I don't get at all, to me that's a rich folks religion. I only brought up the political angle because that's my understanding why people even care what other people want to practice in their personal lives because the political arena is where it might affect their life. Which I can say JW don't get involved in. I'm getting leery about these strong pushes to control what people choose to do with their life, especially in things that don't really affect the populace, even when it's things I don't agree with. There is always that line to consider.


And please understand, I was only challenging the statements, not you. (Just wanted to say that.)

I too was raised in a really religious house. My grandfather started the Independent Baptist church I was raised in. We thought Southern Baptists were near heathens. I suppose people like me or you have a unique perspective on religion when it comes to this sort of thing with shunning, etc.

As far as Scientology being a rich person religion, it's not. There are celebrities drawn to it, but it has always marketed itself to the everyday person who wants more from life, and they have the answer. The celebrity part started because L. Ron Hubbard found the power of celebrity important to bring other regular folks to his little science fiction show, as well as their bank accounts.

My friend, that I've mentioned earlier, who lives with a Scientologist (and a really bad one, by the way) said her Scientologist friend has two (possibly three) mortgages on her house, simply because the church (they call it their local 'mission') needs funding, and that the parishioners are here to clear the planet, so they don't suffer for all eternity. Everyone has to read all the texts of LRH, and that costs money. They have a whole credit department that gets into people's credit cards to get their credit lines increased, so the parishioners can give more money to the church. It is so totally money based. They aren't even sly about it. When you have 3 mortgages on your home to pay for a new printing of the same books (because they'll say they found 'new texts' or something was wrong in the previous versions, like a period or comma was literally in the wrong place and it changes the impact of the texts on the practitioner), something is really wrong. Other religions can take their offerings or tithes, but Scientology is a straight up scam. even LRH said the best way to get rich is to create a religion. And he did just that. Rich people benefit from the church kissing their ass, but it's the 90% of the regular folks that are suffering foreclosures, etc. It's not a "well then they deserve it" thing. These people are hurting, and need help in some other way that doesn't bleed them dry. The church is a pariah.




I'm not taking it personally, so feel free to say what you need to say. Scientology for me has always been that big white building you see at a distance, that's pretty much my sum total Scientology experience. It's completely alien to me so I preplexed about the urgency you get when people talk about it.

The money situation is another thing that bugs me, but that's coming across the board with quite a few religions. Now, I can't speak for anything outside the Christian religion, but I know that same bible that gets used to convince people they are robbing God if they don't pay the "church" 10% of all their income, is the same bible that requires you to leave an inheritance to your grandchildren, yet somehow that part never gets preach from nobody's pulpit. Somethings one needs to really study for themselves, which people don't do.

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Scientology is not a religion..... where is God, Jesus and the Holy Bible???



That’s a really strange comment from someone who has been entrusted with and spent years moderating a religion forum! eek
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lust said:

luv4u said:

Scientology is not a religion........ where is God, Jesus and the Holy Bible???

That’s a really strange comment from someone who has been entrusted with and spent years moderating a religion forum! eek

Right! The Pastafarians don't use a bible or have a God. wink

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lust said:


luv4u said:

Scientology is not a religion..... where is God, Jesus and the Holy Bible???



That’s a really strange comment from someone who has been entrusted with and spent years moderating a religion forum! eek

Right! The Pastafarians don't use a bible or have a God. wink



More to the point, the Hindus and a whole bunch of other real religions with large followings don’t use Jesus or the bible! Touché?
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