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Reply #30 posted 11/09/18 8:45pm

Camileyun

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Camileyun said:



I'm sorry, but Nancy is sounding more and more incoherent. I understand the point she's making, it's just a very convoluted way to say it. I've thought there is something going on with her for a while now.


It’s called “going over your head”

Thank you.
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Reply #31 posted 11/09/18 8:46pm

poppys

Camileyun said:

poppys said:


Do you have anything to back that up? We need to post some sources once in awhile, otherwise it's all opinion.

I'm with Ugot and Musicslave. New Reps didn't win back the House. We should let her keep leading and bring along someone else to eventually take her place.

The Repubs have been demonizing Pelosi forever because she IS effective. Case in point below:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nancy-pelosi-wrap-up-smear/

Snopes Fact Check - Did Nancy Pelosi Admit Democrats Use a Tactic Called the ‘Wrap-Up Smear?’

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All along, partisan supporters of Kavanaugh had portrayed Dr. Ford as a dupe, at best, in an alleged conspiracy by Democrats to derail the nomination by smearing his reputation. The day Kavanaugh was confirmed, a video clip began making the rounds in which House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-California) could allegedly be heard revealing the Democratic Party’s template for such attacks, a tactic she called the “wrap-up smear”:

The clips are authentic in the respect that they were extracted from an actual C-SPAN video of Pelosi’s weekly press briefing on 22 June 2017, but seriously misleading in the respect that they were trimmed in such a way as to omit their original context.

As a longer clip and transcript clearly show, Pelosi was calling out Republicans for conducting wrap-up smear campaigns, not touting the phenomenon as a go-to strategy for Democrats:

PELOSI: Because, basically, at the end of the day that’s what people are interested in — their representative and what their representative is going to do for their district. Republicans are afraid of that contrast in a race. Because they’re going to go there to be involved in trickle-down economics, shutting down hospitals, and the rest of it. So they don’t want them to see that contrast, so they focus on something else. And it’s a diversionary tactic. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. You demonize, and then you — we call it the wrap-up smear. You want to talk about politics? It’s called the wrap-up smear. You smear somebody with falsehoods and all the rest, and then you merchandise it, and then you write it, and they’ll say “See, it’s reported in the press that this, this, and this,” so they have that validation that the press reported the smear, and then it’s called a wrap-up smear. “Now I’m going to merchandise the press’s report on the smear that we made.” It’s a tactic, and it’s self-evident.


I'm sorry, but Nancy is sounding more and more incoherent. I understand the point she's making, it's just a very convoluted way to say it. I've thought there is something going on with her for a while now.


Sorry for a vague statement? I'll buy that. Have no idea why you highlighted in red what was proven wrong by Snopes after the Kavanaugh hearing. It was lifted and misused by Republicans from something she said in June of 2017. Doubling down? Pretty incoherent comprehension. Maybe there's something going on with you.

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Reply #32 posted 11/09/18 8:49pm

Camileyun

poppys said:



Camileyun said:


poppys said:



Do you have anything to back that up? We need to post some sources once in awhile, otherwise it's all opinion.

I'm with Ugot and Musicslave. New Reps didn't win back the House. We should let her keep leading and bring along someone else to eventually take her place.

The Repubs have been demonizing Pelosi forever because she IS effective. Case in point below:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nancy-pelosi-wrap-up-smear/

Snopes Fact Check - Did Nancy Pelosi Admit Democrats Use a Tactic Called the ‘Wrap-Up Smear?’

Miscaptioned

All along, partisan supporters of Kavanaugh had portrayed Dr. Ford as a dupe, at best, in an alleged conspiracy by Democrats to derail the nomination by smearing his reputation. The day Kavanaugh was confirmed, a video clip began making the rounds in which House Minority Leader Nancy Pelosi (D-California) could allegedly be heard revealing the Democratic Party’s template for such attacks, a tactic she called the “wrap-up smear”:


The clips are authentic in the respect that they were extracted from an actual C-SPAN video of Pelosi’s weekly press briefing on 22 June 2017, but seriously misleading in the respect that they were trimmed in such a way as to omit their original context.


As a longer clip and transcript clearly show, Pelosi was calling out Republicans for conducting wrap-up smear campaigns, not touting the phenomenon as a go-to strategy for Democrats:

PELOSI: Because, basically, at the end of the day that’s what people are interested in — their representative and what their representative is going to do for their district. Republicans are afraid of that contrast in a race. Because they’re going to go there to be involved in trickle-down economics, shutting down hospitals, and the rest of it. So they don’t want them to see that contrast, so they focus on something else. And it’s a diversionary tactic. It’s a self-fulfilling prophecy. You demonize, and then you — we call it the wrap-up smear. You want to talk about politics? It’s called the wrap-up smear. You smear somebody with falsehoods and all the rest, and then you merchandise it, and then you write it, and they’ll say “See, it’s reported in the press that this, this, and this,” so they have that validation that the press reported the smear, and then it’s called a wrap-up smear. “Now I’m going to merchandise the press’s report on the smear that we made.” It’s a tactic, and it’s self-evident.




I'm sorry, but Nancy is sounding more and more incoherent. I understand the point she's making, it's just a very convoluted way to say it. I've thought there is something going on with her for a while now.



Sorry for a vague statement? I'll buy that. Have no idea why you highlighted in red what was proven wrong by Snopes after the Kavanaugh hearing. It was lifted and misused by Republicans from something she said in June of 2017. Doubling down? Pretty incoherent comprehension. Maybe there's something going on with you.


I didn't highlight anything, so I'm not sure what is going on there. Sorry.
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Reply #33 posted 11/09/18 8:55pm

poppys

DiminutiveRocker said:

poppys said:


Do you have anything to back that up? We need to post some sources once in awhile, otherwise it's all opinion.

I'm with Ugot and Musicslave. New Reps didn't win back the House. We should let her keep leading and bring along someone else to eventually take her place.

The Repubs have been demonizing Pelosi forever because she IS effective. Case in point below:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nancy-pelosi-wrap-up-smear/


Pelosi is a good politician - she gets how it works and she knows the terrain.

But I am excited about the new younger women members of the House and would like to see one of them rise to speaker one day.


Agree she will eventually need to go. Schumer too. As a Dem voter they have both gotten on my nerves. But they can show the younger ones the pitfalls.

We had a thread awhile back where JJ posted a list of her accomplishments and they are very impressive. She tends to get trashed more than a man probably would.

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Reply #34 posted 11/10/18 6:07am

Ugot2shakesumt
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poppys said:



DiminutiveRocker said:




poppys said:




Do you have anything to back that up? We need to post some sources once in awhile, otherwise it's all opinion.

I'm with Ugot and Musicslave. New Reps didn't win back the House. We should let her keep leading and bring along someone else to eventually take her place.

The Repubs have been demonizing Pelosi forever because she IS effective. Case in point below:

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nancy-pelosi-wrap-up-smear/




Pelosi is a good politician - she gets how it works and she knows the terrain.

But I am excited about the new younger women members of the House and would like to see one of them rise to speaker one day.




Agree she will eventually need to go. Schumer too. As a Dem voter they have both gotten on my nerves. But they can show the younger ones the pitfalls.

We had a thread awhile back where JJ posted a list of her accomplishments and they are very impressive. She tends to get trashed more than a man probably would.


She gets trashed by the right, by the left, gets asked really tough sometimes insulting questions and handles them ease. She doesn’t crack. She doesn’t break.
I don’t know if there is a younger democrat right now that is capable yet. I guess pretty soon we will have to find out. Kamala Harris stands out. But she’s too new. She needs to be put through the political grinder first and see how she handles herself first. It’s a tough job and not everyone can handle it, much less someone inexperienced or soft.
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Reply #35 posted 11/10/18 7:13am

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

poppys said:


Agree she will eventually need to go. Schumer too. As a Dem voter they have both gotten on my nerves. But they can show the younger ones the pitfalls.

We had a thread awhile back where JJ posted a list of her accomplishments and they are very impressive. She tends to get trashed more than a man probably would.

She gets trashed by the right, by the left, gets asked really tough sometimes insulting questions and handles them ease. She doesn’t crack. She doesn’t break. I don’t know if there is a younger democrat right now that is capable yet. I guess pretty soon we will have to find out. Kamala Harris stands out. But she’s too new. She needs to be put through the political grinder first and see how she handles herself first. It’s a tough job and not everyone can handle it, much less someone inexperienced or soft.

Harris was too soft on Kavanaugh.

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Reply #36 posted 11/10/18 9:53am

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Because she fucking sucks.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
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Reply #37 posted 11/10/18 7:42pm

poppys

And people shit all over threads too. tsk tsk

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Reply #38 posted 11/28/18 1:07pm

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Looks like she’s going to win. Good for her. She’s done so much good for the nation and if she still has the will and desire to go to battle us, then good for us!

Will always be greatful to her for Obamacare. I know a lot of people who were able to get medical care and a better life becasue of it.
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