independent and unofficial
Prince fan community site
Mon 19th Nov 2018 3:40pm
Welcome! Sign up or enter username and password to remember me
Forum jump
Forums > Politics & Religion > Support the Red Wave! Vote GOP
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Page 3 of 3 <123
Reply   New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
Reply #60 posted 11/05/18 9:08am

Camileyun

DiminutiveRocker said:

RodeoSchro said:

Ladies and gentlemen, I give you the financial results of both the Democrats and "The Party of Fiscal Responsibility" as measured by our yearly budget deficit:




disbelief The Republican Party of 2018 is the party of economic inequality and debt.

As is usually the case with stats and charts, they can be misleading without some qualifications. According to the Congressional Budget Office (which admits their projections have been erroneous in the past), much of the increase in the "projected" budget deficit will be due to the rapid growth in spending for federal retirement and health care programs targeted to older people and rising interest payments on the government's debt, which is cumulative year after year.

Also, the time period that shows the decrease in the annual deficits is when the Republicans took control of Congress.

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52801

 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #61 posted 11/05/18 10:35am

RodeoSchro

avatar

Camileyun said:

DiminutiveRocker said:



disbelief The Republican Party of 2018 is the party of economic inequality and debt.

As is usually the case with stats and charts, they can be misleading without some qualifications. According to the Congressional Budget Office (which admits their projections have been erroneous in the past), much of the increase in the "projected" budget deficit will be due to the rapid growth in spending for federal retirement and health care programs targeted to older people and rising interest payments on the government's debt, which is cumulative year after year.

Also, the time period that shows the decrease in the annual deficits is when the Republicans took control of Congress.

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52801



If you can show me one thing the Right Wing congress did to increase revenue, I'd be happy to see it.

You should read the back-up behind the CBO report, if you haven't already. What I've found is the "rapid growth in spending for federal retirement and health care programs" isn't for old people but rather for our military. Go here (which is a link within the link you posted" https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52801 then clikc on "Spending Projections, by Budget Account". You'll be sent to another page, which contains a lot of spreadsheets. I clicked on the "May 2018" link under the "Spending Projections, by budget Account" link. (Later on I also downloaded the "May 2013" spreadsheet for some comparisons)

That downloaded an Excel spreadsheet that is a fountain of information. For instance:

-The "Department of Health and Human Services" accounts (lines 1205 - 1220) do increase substantially. Keep in mind there are two types of accounts - Discretionary and Mandatory. ALL of the accounts that increase substantially are "Mandatory" expenditures. Their increase is reflective of absolutely nothing more than: (1) a population where the majority reach retirement age almost all at once; and (2) insufficient payments into the funds by non-retirement-age workers (the Youths). So do you screw the elderly, or tax the working? Those are your choices; how you choose will determine whether you're a Right Winger or a Democrat

-Remember that these increases are not new and have been known for years. The reason the deficit is ballooning is because our Right Wing president and our Right Wing Congress cut tax revenues substantially.

- Check this out: Back in May 2013, the total net projected expenditures in 2023 for the entire "Department of Health and Human Services" budget was $905.472 billion (total of lines 1209 - 1224 in that spreadsheet) . But in the May 2018 projection, it is LESS. It's $861.395 billion. Our Right Wing president decreased the projected expense by $44 billion (lines 1205 - 1220 in that spreadsheet). And yet, our Right Wing president blames increased deficit projections on this?

-It's the exact same thing with Social Security outlays. Right Winger Trump's budget projection shows an net outlay from SSA in 2023 of $1.337 trillion (net total of lines 1348 - 1358). Yet go back to 2013 and President Obama's projection for 2023 was $1.421 trillion (net total of lines 1351 - 1363) . Right Winger Trump has again decreased the upcoming expense projections. Once again, his budget deficits are due to decreased revenue, not unforeseen increased spending.

-What is the BIGGEST expense driver in all this? Go to LINE 1756 - "Interest on the Public Debt". It is projected to go from $517 billion in 2018 to $1.143 trillion in 2028. That's a 121% increase and I can guarantee you that assumes historically low interest rates.

Right Wing President Donald Trump has loudly and often proclaimed himself the King of Debt. If the interest on our debt gets to be too much, what has he said he will do?

Raise revenue? Cut spending? Nope.

He's said that the United States of America might just default on its debt. If that's not Right Wing lunacy, I'll buy you lunch.


EDIT NOTE - I adjusted the lines in the SSA calculation on account of I'd forgotten that I'd added three rows when I was totalling the HHS figures. So now the SSA calculations for each example include the correct range of rows.

.

[Edited 11/6/18 6:09am]

Second Funkiest White Man in America

P&R's paladin
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #62 posted 11/05/18 10:37am

RodeoSchro

avatar

^Summary of above is:

Right Winger Donald Trump decreased the projected outlays for entitlements and Social Security outlays from what President Obama projected, and yet he still prjects the highest deficits known to mankind.

This is SOLELY because Right Winger Trump and the Right Wing Congress cut taxes for the rich, therefore cutting federal revenue.

Second Funkiest White Man in America

P&R's paladin
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #63 posted 11/05/18 10:38am

13cjk13

RodeoSchro said:

Camileyun said:

As is usually the case with stats and charts, they can be misleading without some qualifications. According to the Congressional Budget Office (which admits their projections have been erroneous in the past), much of the increase in the "projected" budget deficit will be due to the rapid growth in spending for federal retirement and health care programs targeted to older people and rising interest payments on the government's debt, which is cumulative year after year.

Also, the time period that shows the decrease in the annual deficits is when the Republicans took control of Congress.

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52801



If you can show me one thing the Right Wing congress did to increase revenue, I'd be happy to see it.

You should read the back-up behind the CBO report, if you haven't already. What I've found is the "rapid growth in spending for federal retirement and health care programs" isn't for old people but rather for our military. Go here (which is a link within the link you posted" https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52801 then clikc on "Spending Projections, by Budget Account". You'll be sent to another page, which contains a lot of spreadsheets. I clicked on the "May 2018" link under the "Spending Projections, by budget Account" link. (Later on I also downloaded the "May 2013" spreadsheet for some comparisons)

That downloaded an Excel spreadsheet that is a fountain of information. For instance:

-The "Department of Health and Human Services" accounts (lines 1205 - 1220) do increase substantially. Keep in mind there are two types of accounts - Discretionary and Mandatory. ALL of the accounts that increase substantially are "Mandatory" expenditures. Their increase is reflective of absolutely nothing more than: (1) a population where the majority reach retirement age almost all at once; and (2) insufficient payments into the funds by non-retirement-age workers (the Youths). So do you screw the elderly, or tax the working? Those are your choices; how you choose will determine whether you're a Right Winger or a Democrat

-Remember that these increases are not new and have been known for years. The reason the deficit is ballooning is because our Right Wing president and our Right Wing Congress cut tax revenues substantially.

- Check this out: Back in May 2013, the total net projected expenditures in 2023 for the entire "Department of Health and Human Services" budget was $905.472 billion (total of lines 1209 - 1224 in that spreadsheet) . But in the May 2018 projection, it is LESS. It's $861.395 billion. Our Right Wing president decreased the projected expense by $44 billion (lines 1205 - 1220 in that spreadsheet). And yet, our Right Wing president blames increased deficit projections on this?

-It's the exact same thing with Social Security outlays. Right Winger Trump's budget projection shows an net outlay from SSA in 2023 of $1.337 trillion (net total of lines 1351 - 1361). Yet go back to 2013 and President Obama's projection for 2023 was $1.421 trillion (net total of lines 1354 - 1366) . Right Winger Trump has again decreased the upcoming expense projections. Once again, his budget deficits are due to decreased revenue, not unforeseen increased spending.

-What is the BIGGEST expense driver in all this? Go to LINE 1756 - "Interest on the Public Debt". It is projected to go from $517 billion in 2018 to $1.143 trillion in 2028. That's a 121% increase and I can guarantee you that assumes historically low interest rates.

Right Wing President Donald Trump has loudly and often proclaimed himself the King of Debt. If the interest on our debt gets to be too much, what has he said he will do?

Raise revenue? Cut spending? Nope.

He's said that the United States of America might just default on its debt. If that's not Right Wing lunacy, I'll buy you lunch.

Bingo.

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #64 posted 11/05/18 10:49am

Camileyun

RodeoSchro said:

Camileyun said:

As is usually the case with stats and charts, they can be misleading without some qualifications. According to the Congressional Budget Office (which admits their projections have been erroneous in the past), much of the increase in the "projected" budget deficit will be due to the rapid growth in spending for federal retirement and health care programs targeted to older people and rising interest payments on the government's debt, which is cumulative year after year.

Also, the time period that shows the decrease in the annual deficits is when the Republicans took control of Congress.

https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52801



If you can show me one thing the Right Wing congress did to increase revenue, I'd be happy to see it.

You should read the back-up behind the CBO report, if you haven't already. What I've found is the "rapid growth in spending for federal retirement and health care programs" isn't for old people but rather for our military. Go here (which is a link within the link you posted" https://www.cbo.gov/publication/52801 then clikc on "Spending Projections, by Budget Account". You'll be sent to another page, which contains a lot of spreadsheets. I clicked on the "May 2018" link under the "Spending Projections, by budget Account" link. (Later on I also downloaded the "May 2013" spreadsheet for some comparisons)

That downloaded an Excel spreadsheet that is a fountain of information. For instance:

-The "Department of Health and Human Services" accounts (lines 1205 - 1220) do increase substantially. Keep in mind there are two types of accounts - Discretionary and Mandatory. ALL of the accounts that increase substantially are "Mandatory" expenditures. Their increase is reflective of absolutely nothing more than: (1) a population where the majority reach retirement age almost all at once; and (2) insufficient payments into the funds by non-retirement-age workers (the Youths). So do you screw the elderly, or tax the working? Those are your choices; how you choose will determine whether you're a Right Winger or a Democrat

-Remember that these increases are not new and have been known for years. The reason the deficit is ballooning is because our Right Wing president and our Right Wing Congress cut tax revenues substantially.

- Check this out: Back in May 2013, the total net projected expenditures in 2023 for the entire "Department of Health and Human Services" budget was $905.472 billion (total of lines 1209 - 1224 in that spreadsheet) . But in the May 2018 projection, it is LESS. It's $861.395 billion. Our Right Wing president decreased the projected expense by $44 billion (lines 1205 - 1220 in that spreadsheet). And yet, our Right Wing president blames increased deficit projections on this?

-It's the exact same thing with Social Security outlays. Right Winger Trump's budget projection shows an net outlay from SSA in 2023 of $1.337 trillion (net total of lines 1351 - 1361). Yet go back to 2013 and President Obama's projection for 2023 was $1.421 trillion (net total of lines 1354 - 1366) . Right Winger Trump has again decreased the upcoming expense projections. Once again, his budget deficits are due to decreased revenue, not unforeseen increased spending.

-What is the BIGGEST expense driver in all this? Go to LINE 1756 - "Interest on the Public Debt". It is projected to go from $517 billion in 2018 to $1.143 trillion in 2028. That's a 121% increase and I can guarantee you that assumes historically low interest rates.

Right Wing President Donald Trump has loudly and often proclaimed himself the King of Debt. If the interest on our debt gets to be too much, what has he said he will do?

Raise revenue? Cut spending? Nope.

He's said that the United States of America might just default on its debt. If that's not Right Wing lunacy, I'll buy you lunch.

Thanks for the link, and I will look at it. Defaulting on our debt is not exactly a sane solution, so I guess lunch won't be in my future in the near term!! wink

 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #65 posted 11/05/18 11:10am

RodeoSchro

avatar

Camileyun said:

RodeoSchro said:


<There's no such thing as a free lunch>

Thanks for the link, and I will look at it. Defaulting on our debt is not exactly a sane solution, so I guess lunch won't be in my future in the near term!! wink



We can still have lunch but it might be Dutch!

Don't get intimidated by the spreadsheets. They're actually quite easy to scroll through. Just look for the rows with the largest numbers, LOL.

Second Funkiest White Man in America

P&R's paladin
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #66 posted 11/06/18 9:05pm

13cjk13

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #67 posted 11/06/18 9:12pm

OnlyNDaUsa

avatar

13cjk13 said:

lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol lol




Not a wave...but reps seemed to do pretty okay.
[Edited 11/7/18 3:48am]
Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #68 posted 11/07/18 5:21am

13cjk13

NOT A WAVE AT ALL. ANOTHER TRUMP LIE. Time to BLOCK BLOCK BLOCK!!!!!

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #69 posted 11/07/18 7:31am

2freaky4church
1

avatar

A semi wave. Horrible election laws in Florida, Georgia Texas. Gillum barely lost to the worst racist prick ever.

Beto almost won. Stacy contesting. 7 new governors. Kobach gone, Scott Walker gone. 2 Muslim women winning. AOC wins. A host of progressives.

Dems, block every fucking judge. No walls. Get his taxes. No funding for ICE.

Democrats, run progressives for Senate. Voters don't want Rep lite. Will they ever learn.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #70 posted 11/07/18 9:32am

Camileyun

2freaky4church1 said:

A semi wave. Horrible election laws in Florida, Georgia Texas. Gillum barely lost to the worst racist prick ever.

Beto almost won. Stacy contesting. 7 new governors. Kobach gone, Scott Walker gone. 2 Muslim women winning. AOC wins. A host of progressives.

Dems, block every fucking judge. No walls. Get his taxes. No funding for ICE.

Democrats, run progressives for Senate. Voters don't want Rep lite. Will they ever learn.

How do you expect the Dems to block every judge when the Reps have the majority in the Senate? Who do you propose should vet Immigrants coming to our country from all over the world if you abolish ICE? And if you put the elections in perspective, it wound up being a referendum against Democratic Socialists, not moderate dems.

[Edited 11/7/18 9:49am]

 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #71 posted 11/07/18 9:51am

OnlyNDaUsa

avatar

2freaky4church1 said:

A semi wave. Horrible election laws in Florida, Georgia Texas. Gillum barely lost to the worst racist prick ever.



Beto almost won. Stacy contesting. 7 new governors. Kobach gone, Scott Walker gone. 2 Muslim women winning. AOC wins. A host of progressives.



Dems, block every fucking judge. No walls. Get his taxes. No funding for ICE.



Democrats, run progressives for Senate. Voters don't want Rep lite. Will they ever learn.



Haha! We lost they musta cheated. Stacy is just doing what trump said he might do if he would have not gotten the most votes.


They can not block a judge...that cost them 4 seats....they will fund ice...and what do you mean get his taxes? You seem distraught and confused.
Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #72 posted 11/07/18 11:02am

RodeoSchro

avatar

Camileyun said:

2freaky4church1 said:

A semi wave. Horrible election laws in Florida, Georgia Texas. Gillum barely lost to the worst racist prick ever.

Beto almost won. Stacy contesting. 7 new governors. Kobach gone, Scott Walker gone. 2 Muslim women winning. AOC wins. A host of progressives.

Dems, block every fucking judge. No walls. Get his taxes. No funding for ICE.

Democrats, run progressives for Senate. Voters don't want Rep lite. Will they ever learn.

How do you expect the Dems to block every judge when the Reps have the majority in the Senate? Who do you propose should vet Immigrants coming to our country from all over the world if you abolish ICE? And if you put the elections in perspective, it wound up being a referendum against Democratic Socialists, not moderate dems.

[Edited 11/7/18 9:49am]



This elections wasn't a referendum on anything.

It was merely a confirmation that negative ads work, and positive campaigns don't.

Second Funkiest White Man in America

P&R's paladin
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #73 posted 11/07/18 11:35am

DiminutiveRock
er

avatar

RodeoSchro said:

Camileyun said:

How do you expect the Dems to block every judge when the Reps have the majority in the Senate? Who do you propose should vet Immigrants coming to our country from all over the world if you abolish ICE? And if you put the elections in perspective, it wound up being a referendum against Democratic Socialists, not moderate dems.

[Edited 11/7/18 9:49am]



This elections wasn't a referendum on anything.

It was merely a confirmation that negative ads work, and positive campaigns don't.

Trump is one giant negative ad campaign. He doesn't talk policy - he is creating a cultrual divide by instigating fear against immigrants and this plays well in white rural communities.

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #74 posted 11/07/18 12:51pm

SoulAlive

I'm thrilled that the Democrats have control of the House lol checks and balances is very important,especially when we have a crazy,out-of-control president like Trump! He's now gonna be held accountable for his actions.

 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #75 posted 11/07/18 12:52pm

DiminutiveRock
er

avatar

SoulAlive said:

I'm thrilled that the Democrats have control of the House lol checks and balances is very important,especially when we have a crazy,out-of-control president like Trump! He's now gonna be held accountable for his actions.


From your keyboard to the universe! beg

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #76 posted 11/07/18 2:11pm

SoulAlive

Image may contain: text

 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #77 posted 11/07/18 2:31pm

RodeoSchro

avatar

SoulAlive said:

Image may contain: text




Hence his threatening tweet. He's scared and resorting to the only thing he knows - bullying.

Second Funkiest White Man in America

P&R's paladin
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #78 posted 11/07/18 3:11pm

13cjk13

RodeoSchro said:

SoulAlive said:

Image may contain: text




Hence his threatening tweet. He's scared and resorting to the only thing he knows - bullying.

He knows "lying" and "pussy grabbing" as well, don't forget. lol

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #79 posted 11/15/18 7:44pm

13cjk13

HUGE red wave in California!! Oh, wait a minute.......... lol lol lol lol lol lol lol

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
-Thomas Jefferson
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #80 posted 11/16/18 12:51pm

SoulAlive

Image may contain: text that says 'If you voted Republican because Trump frothed at the mouth for six full weeks about caravans of evil migrants who were marching to viciously invade our sacred land, you should notice that he hasn't made a single peep about them since election day. You should also notice that he played you for tremendous fools. ThisLiberalAmerican'

 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #81 posted 11/16/18 6:42pm

rdhull

avatar

RodeoSchro said:

SoulAlive said:

Image may contain: text




Hence his threatening tweet. He's scared and resorting to the only thing he knows - bullying.

and how do you deal with a bully? you bop 'em in the nose

Lost your keys? check princevault..lost your relationhip? check princevault..they have all the answers
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #82 posted 11/16/18 11:45pm

DiminutiveRock
er

avatar

SoulAlive said:

Image may contain: text that says 'If you voted Republican because Trump frothed at the mouth for six full weeks about caravans of evil migrants who were marching to viciously invade our sacred land, you should notice that he hasn't made a single peep about them since election day. You should also notice that he played you for tremendous fools. ThisLiberalAmerican'


yeahthat

"'Were it left to me to decide whether we should have a government without newspapers, or newspapers without a government, I should not hesitate a moment to prefer the latter.'' - Thomas Jefferson
 Reply w/quote - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Page 3 of 3 <123
Reply   New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Forums > Politics & Religion > Support the Red Wave! Vote GOP