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Reply #30 posted 10/04/18 8:46am

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PurpleSkipper58 said:


djThunderfunk said:



Never heard of this guy, reminds of Colbert's character on the Colbert Report, when he was still funny.




He represents what the Mainstream Left should be.


I would argue that most on the "left", or, at least most liberals, are fair minded and moderate, just as most on the "right", or, at least most conservatives are likewise fair minded and moderate. Media, both mainstream and social, would have us believe that most of us are extremists, left or right, but it's just not true no matter how hard they work to make it so.


You’d think that. But mainstream Left in America and all over the world has embraced virtue-signaling and identify politics. So it’s constantly promoted by the media. I’m sure most American liberals (over the age of 27) are level headed. But the pundits who are rewarded blue check marks on Twitter, they’re total SJWs. The “activists”, the Mainstream journalists, etc
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Reply #31 posted 10/04/18 8:47am

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Reply #32 posted 10/04/18 8:47am

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djThunderfunk said:

jjhunsecker said:

On paper, we supposedly do...

In reality, that's not necessarily the case


You're still talking about attitudes. Should there be a law against having racist or sexist attitudes? Is that what we need to "liberate black women"?



[Edited 10/4/18 8:41am]

I'm talking about attitudes that have real world consequences. It's not a matter of somebody just thinking something about some group, it's how those thoughts manifest themselves, resulting in how others are treated

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Reply #33 posted 10/04/18 8:48am

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Oppression Olympics must be a tough, tough game.

Oppression Olympics ?? Is that the new meme on Red State or 4Chan ?

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Reply #34 posted 10/04/18 8:49am

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It's a human right to be refered to as the gender you identify with, calling trans people "it" is not only disrespectful, it's also kinda stating that they aren't even human. And honestly, it's not made up, it is real otherwise people wouldn't kill themselves. If it was made up, it would be a decision, but it's not. There's a lot of studies about the subject, but I suppose you're a friend of facts, right?

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IT? You refer to trans people as it? Seriously, how disrespectful can a person be? How about you refer to them as the gender they want to be refered as? Does it hurt you to call her a woman? Jesus christ, have some respect!

LMAO I don’t respect ANYONE I don’t know until I get to know them and their actions cause me to give them respect. I don’t care if you’re male, female, or any made-up gender, you have to earn respect. That’s how real life works. Suck it up, buttercup.

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Reply #35 posted 10/04/18 8:50am

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You’re right. The LGBTQPAI (how many other letters they added) have a high suicide rate. Something must be up with their overall mental health
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Reply #36 posted 10/04/18 8:52am

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And unless you’re referring to the Middle East, don’t say “it’s because of how society treats them” because they are the most moddycoddled group and virtue signaled to death by progressive politicians
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Reply #37 posted 10/04/18 8:53am

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If I were gay, I think I’d take the occasional Christian bakery denying to make me a cake over any Muslim countries where I’d be thrown off a roof for disrespecting “allah”
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Reply #38 posted 10/04/18 8:54am

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^^ They kill themselves because of people like you! Because of bullying, because of dead naming, because of the fear of getting beat up or even killed. Do you know how many transwomen are beat up on a daily basis? They are not mentally ill, they are afraid to live freely because of ignorant bigots like you. If you have no clue about a subject, you should shut the fuck up about it.

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Reply #39 posted 10/04/18 8:55am

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^^ They kill themselves because of people like you! Because of bullying, because of dead naming, because of the fear of getting beat up or even killed. Do you know how many transwomen are beat up on a daily basis? They are not mentally ill, they are afraid to live freely because of ignorant bigots like you. If you have no clue about a subject, you should shut the fuck up about it.


I haven’t bullied ANY of them. But if they asked my opinion I’d give it to them.
And no, I WON’T “shut the fuck up” about this. Cry some more over people’s opinions, snowflake.
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Reply #40 posted 10/04/18 8:57am

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^^ They kill themselves because of people like you! Because of bullying, because of dead naming, because of the fear of getting beat up or even killed. Do you know how many transwomen are beat up on a daily basis? They are not mentally ill, they are afraid to live freely because of ignorant bigots like you. If you have no clue about a subject, you should shut the fuck up about it.

Sadly, it seems to be all just a big joke to this guy...another "keyboard warrior"

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Reply #41 posted 10/04/18 8:57am

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Wow you know what Skipper? You sound a lot like Tweety, I think poppys is right about you having several ID's here.

flip u flip u flip u << Report me if you want to and then we can see who's the real snowflake here.

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Reply #42 posted 10/04/18 8:58am

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jjhunsecker said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

^^ They kill themselves because of people like you! Because of bullying, because of dead naming, because of the fear of getting beat up or even killed. Do you know how many transwomen are beat up on a daily basis? They are not mentally ill, they are afraid to live freely because of ignorant bigots like you. If you have no clue about a subject, you should shut the fuck up about it.

Sadly, it seems to be all just a big joke to this guy...another "keyboard warrior"

Yes, he also sounds a lot like another poster here.

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Reply #43 posted 10/04/18 9:02am

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One more thing skipper, I didn't say YOU bully them, I said they are bullied, but you still show lack of respect for them when you refer the them as IT.

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Reply #44 posted 10/04/18 9:24am

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djThunderfunk said: Since Domestic violence is illegal. I guess it’s not an issue then? According to your logic anyway. Domestic violence is an identitarian issue to some people. It doesn’t affect everyone so we should dismiss it I guess. .

If racism and sexism are still a thing, then that means that some people are not treated equally in society. It's pretty clear , in my understanding, that what you mean is that once these scourges are eliminated, then society would be better for all


How do we eliminate the scourge of attitudes. Laws?




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Reply #45 posted 10/04/18 9:28am

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I would argue that most on the "left", or, at least most liberals, are fair minded and moderate, just as most on the "right", or, at least most conservatives are likewise fair minded and moderate. Media, both mainstream and social, would have us believe that most of us are extremists, left or right, but it's just not true no matter how hard they work to make it so.

You’d think that. But mainstream Left in America and all over the world has embraced virtue-signaling and identify politics. So it’s constantly promoted by the media. I’m sure most American liberals (over the age of 27) are level headed. But the pundits who are rewarded blue check marks on Twitter, they’re total SJWs. The “activists”, the Mainstream journalists, etc


Sure. And they are also the people that promote the idea that anyone that is on the "right", center, or left of center is extreme right. Doesn't make it true though. Nazis, commies, white nationalists and antifa are all minorities. The vast majority, left, right & center, are moderate and reject extremists on both sides.


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Reply #46 posted 10/04/18 9:32am

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jjhunsecker said:

If racism and sexism are still a thing, then that means that some people are not treated equally in society. It's pretty clear , in my understanding, that what you mean is that once these scourges are eliminated, then society would be better for all


How do eliminate the scourge of attitudes. Laws?


No. Make sure that those who ACT on those attitudes are punished, though.

Or else we just have a society that says "Yes, you have been treated in an inferior manner, but that's just the way it is. Too bad. " (And NO, before you complain, I am NOT saying that YOU personally feel that way- just that is what would happen if we just said that there are "laws" supposedly treating everyone "equally", and just left it at that....)

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Reply #47 posted 10/04/18 9:32am

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djThunderfunk said:


You're still talking about attitudes. Should there be a law against having racist or sexist attitudes? Is that what we need to "liberate black women"?



[Edited 10/4/18 8:41am]

I'm talking about attitudes that have real world consequences. It's not a matter of somebody just thinking something about some group, it's how those thoughts manifest themselves, resulting in how others are treated


There are laws to protect people from being "treated" differently based on gender or race, so, one could argue that those laws "liberate" all people. Should the attitudes that have consequences be legislated as well?

I'm asking these questions sincerely to clarify what is meant by the statement that no one will be free until black women are liberated. Liberated from what? Attitudes? In what way? Legislatively?

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Reply #48 posted 10/04/18 9:34am

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PurpleSkipper58 said:

djThunderfunk said: You’d think that. But mainstream Left in America and all over the world has embraced virtue-signaling and identify politics. So it’s constantly promoted by the media. I’m sure most American liberals (over the age of 27) are level headed. But the pundits who are rewarded blue check marks on Twitter, they’re total SJWs. The “activists”, the Mainstream journalists, etc


Sure. And they are also the people that promote the idea that anyone that is on the "right", center, or left of center is extreme right. Doesn't make it true though. Nazis, commies, white nationalists and antifa are all minorities. The vast majority, left, right & center, are moderate and reject extremists on both sides.


I don't think anyone has said anything basically disagreeing with this, certainly not in the "Mainstream media"

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Reply #49 posted 10/04/18 9:39am

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jjhunsecker said:

I'm talking about attitudes that have real world consequences. It's not a matter of somebody just thinking something about some group, it's how those thoughts manifest themselves, resulting in how others are treated


There are laws to protect people from being "treated" differently based on gender or race, so, one could argue that those laws "liberate" all people. Should the attitudes that have consequences be legislated as well?

I'm asking these questions sincerely to clarify what is meant by the statement that no one will be free until black women are liberated. Liberated from what? Attitudes? In what way? Legislatively?

You cannot legislate thought. Sure , there are "laws"...but what if those who are in charge of enforcing those laws , have racist or sexist or whatever attitudes themselves ? Then the law is essentially useless in those cases, has we have seen over and over again.

I don't have a definitive, "one size fits all" answer or solution to these problems. If I did, I would be King...But the first step is acknowledging that these things still exist, and have real world consequences for those on the wrong end of them.

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Reply #50 posted 10/04/18 9:40am

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djThunderfunk said:


How do eliminate the scourge of attitudes. Laws?


No. Make sure that those who ACT on those attitudes are punished, though.

Or else we just have a society that says "Yes, you have been treated in an inferior manner, but that's just the way it is. Too bad. " (And NO, before you complain, I am NOT saying that YOU personally feel that way- just that is what would happen if we just said that there are "laws" supposedly treating everyone "equally", and just left it at that....)


We do have laws that punish those that discriminate based on gender or race. As we should.

We don't just "leave it at that" and say "too bad". We prosecute race and gender based discrimination. As we should.

One could argue that we have liberated black women.

If we have not, I am asking, in what way? And, in what way should we?

And, no, I do not think you are accusing me personally.



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Reply #51 posted 10/04/18 9:43am

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jjhunsecker said:

I'm talking about attitudes that have real world consequences. It's not a matter of somebody just thinking something about some group, it's how those thoughts manifest themselves, resulting in how others are treated


There are laws to protect people from being "treated" differently based on gender or race, so, one could argue that those laws "liberate" all people. Should the attitudes that have consequences be legislated as well?

I'm asking these questions sincerely to clarify what is meant by the statement that no one will be free until black women are liberated. Liberated from what? Attitudes? In what way? Legislatively?

To be honest, I don't care what people "think"...I care that what they think has cost me a job or a promotion, or caused them to follow me in stores or the stopped by the cops, or denied me housing. Sure, there are "laws" that exist against these things supposedly....but it hasn't stopped them from still happening

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Reply #52 posted 10/04/18 9:44am

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What is wrong with you? Prince was a big ole leftist. He loved blackness. He wasn't an Alt Right goofus.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #53 posted 10/04/18 9:47am

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djThunderfunk said:

jjhunsecker said:

No. Make sure that those who ACT on those attitudes are punished, though.

Or else we just have a society that says "Yes, you have been treated in an inferior manner, but that's just the way it is. Too bad. " (And NO, before you complain, I am NOT saying that YOU personally feel that way- just that is what would happen if we just said that there are "laws" supposedly treating everyone "equally", and just left it at that....)


We do have laws that punish those that discriminate based on gender or race. As we should.

We don't just "leave it at that" and say "too bad". We prosecute race and gender based discrimination. As we should.

One could argue that we have liberated black women.

If we have not, I am asking, in what way? And, in what way should we?

And, no, I do not think you are accusing me personally.



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If we did it effectively (enforce those laws) , then there wouldn't still be discrimination and real world consequences based on people's race or sex or religion or sexual preferences...



As I said, I don't have a stop the presses answer. I DO think acknowledging the problems, and not being afraid to point them out, will go a long way in helping to change things. Perhaps it will change at least some attitudes. And not allowing a willingness to discuss these still pertinent issues be dismissed by the absurd term "Identity Politics"

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Reply #54 posted 10/04/18 9:52am

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djThunderfunk said:


There are laws to protect people from being "treated" differently based on gender or race, so, one could argue that those laws "liberate" all people. Should the attitudes that have consequences be legislated as well?

I'm asking these questions sincerely to clarify what is meant by the statement that no one will be free until black women are liberated. Liberated from what? Attitudes? In what way? Legislatively?

You cannot legislate thought. Sure , there are "laws"...but what if those who are in charge of enforcing those laws , have racist or sexist or whatever attitudes themselves ? Then the law is essentially useless in those cases, has we have seen over and over again.

I don't have a definitive, "one size fits all" answer or solution to these problems. If I did, I would be King...But the first step is acknowledging that these things still exist, and have real world consequences for those on the wrong end of them.


It's impossible to prove if someone "in charge" has racist or sexist thoughts, and could be difficult to prove they have racist or sexist attitudes that influence their actions. However, if those in charge of enforcing laws do not apply the law equally based on gender or race, it is not difficult to prove as their own records of enforcement (or lack thereof) would illustrate this. Now there is an action that can be legally dealt with.

I don't have all the answers either, nor do I expect them from you. I'm just trying to clarify the problems, which it seems to me we do not disagree on, and discuss possible solutions.

If we agree that we all have the same rights, regardless of gender or race (or sexuality, religion, etc), and we have mechanisms in place to guarantee those rights and punish those that restrict them, then, all that is left is attitude. Should we legislate attitude?


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Reply #55 posted 10/04/18 9:54am

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hausofmoi7 said:


Is still a black Women.
Try harder troll.

Technically it was born a black man,
Then it found out they had gender dysphoria, went the surgery and took a bunch of estrogens and then voila: PURE WOMAN!
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Getting more revolting with every post, young man.
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Reply #56 posted 10/04/18 9:54am

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jjhunsecker said:



djThunderfunk said:




jjhunsecker said:




On paper, we supposedly do...



In reality, that's not necessarily the case




You're still talking about attitudes. Should there be a law against having racist or sexist attitudes? Is that what we need to "liberate black women"?




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I'm talking about attitudes that have real world consequences. It's not a matter of somebody just thinking something about some group, it's how those thoughts manifest themselves, resulting in how others are treated


Great answer. The discrimination can manifest when someone in a power position, for example, uses their racist attitude to deny one of opportunities, where they meet all the qualifications and/or mistreat them, because they hold racial prejudices against certain individuals from a specific racial group.
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The abortion ban issue...any relation to 2045 or pre-1848?
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Reply #57 posted 10/04/18 9:59am

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jjhunsecker said:

You cannot legislate thought. Sure , there are "laws"...but what if those who are in charge of enforcing those laws , have racist or sexist or whatever attitudes themselves ? Then the law is essentially useless in those cases, has we have seen over and over again.

I don't have a definitive, "one size fits all" answer or solution to these problems. If I did, I would be King...But the first step is acknowledging that these things still exist, and have real world consequences for those on the wrong end of them.


It's impossible to prove if someone "in charge" has racist or sexist thoughts, and could be difficult to prove they have racist or sexist attitudes that influence their actions. However, if those in charge of enforcing laws do not apply the law equally based on gender or race, it is not difficult to prove as their own records of enforcement (or lack thereof) would illustrate this. Now there is an action that can be legally dealt with.

I don't have all the answers either, nor do I expect them from you. I'm just trying to clarify the problems, which it seems to me we do not disagree on, and discuss possible solutions.

If we agree that we all have the same rights, regardless of gender or race (or sexuality, religion, etc), and we have mechanisms in place to guarantee those rights and punish those that restrict them, then, all that is left is attitude. Should we legislate attitude?


We can't "Legislate" attitudes. We can try to change them, by talking openly about these issues, and not being afraid to discuss our own individual realities. And without fear of being labeled as "divisive", or the dreaded "Identity Politics".


And I think you have more faith in "laws", and even more importantly, how they are administered, than I do.

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Reply #58 posted 10/04/18 10:10am

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Reply #59 posted 10/04/18 10:14am

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2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:

I'm talking about attitudes that have real world consequences. It's not a matter of somebody just thinking something about some group, it's how those thoughts manifest themselves, resulting in how others are treated

Great answer. The discrimination can manifest when someone in a power position, for example, uses their racist attitude to deny one of opportunities, where they meet all the qualifications and/or mistreat them, because they hold racial prejudices against certain individuals from a specific racial group. [Edited 10/4/18 9:55am]


Such discrimination is illegal and people are prosecuted legally & civily for it all the time.... because we all have the same rights. Attitudes are another matter entirely.

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