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PurpleSkipper5
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This man gets it. Identity politics is stage 4 cancer

This beautiful man gets it.
”The people that will end up defining ‘Hate Speech Laws’ are the very people you don’t want to define the Hate Speech Laws” — Jordan B Peterson
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Reply #1 posted 10/04/18 4:54am

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There is actually nothing more revolutionary than placing the struggle of the most marginalised and oppressed in society at the centre.
Keeping track of the most marginalised is the only way to really tell if we are on the right track.

I forget the actual quote, ( I’m trying to look for it)
Basically it said that the liberation of black women requires us to bring down every structure in our society.
No one will truly be free until black women are liberated


Identity politics can actually be one of the most revolutionary acts.
It may be the most revolutionary when done honestly.



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"It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non-violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection" – Lesley Hazleton on the first muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #2 posted 10/04/18 5:50am

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hausofmoi7 said:

There is actually nothing more revolutionary than placing the struggle of the most marginalised and oppressed in society at the centre. Keeping track of the most marginalised is the only way to really tell if we are on the right track. I forget the actual quote, ( I’m trying to look for it) Basically it said that the liberation of black women requires us to bring down every structure in our society. No one will truly be free until black women are liberated Identity politics can actually be one of the most revolutionary acts. It may be the most revolutionary when done honestly. . [Edited 10/4/18 5:47am]


What? confuse

From whom do black women need to be liberated? And please explain what you mean by "bring down every structure in our society".

We were HERE, where were you?

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Reply #3 posted 10/04/18 6:08am

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djThunderfunk said:



hausofmoi7 said:


There is actually nothing more revolutionary than placing the struggle of the most marginalised and oppressed in society at the centre. Keeping track of the most marginalised is the only way to really tell if we are on the right track. I forget the actual quote, ( I’m trying to look for it) Basically it said that the liberation of black women requires us to bring down every structure in our society. No one will truly be free until black women are liberated Identity politics can actually be one of the most revolutionary acts. It may be the most revolutionary when done honestly. . [Edited 10/4/18 5:47am]


What? confuse

From whom do black women need to be liberated? And please explain what you mean by "bring down every structure in our society".


No one is more oppressed than black women.
So in order to free and liberate black women we would be required to bring down both patriarchy and racism simultaneously.
Patriarchy and racism is what our society is built on.

Liberating black women would consequently free everyone else because we would be required to break every oppressive structure in society to do so.

That is why identity politics can be the most revolutionary act.




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"It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non-violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection" – Lesley Hazleton on the first muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #4 posted 10/04/18 6:15am

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hausofmoi7 said:

djThunderfunk said:


What? confuse

From whom do black women need to be liberated? And please explain what you mean by "bring down every structure in our society".

No one is more oppressed than black women. So in order to free and liberate black women we would be require to bring down both patriarchy and racism simultaneously. Patriarchy and racism is what our society is built on. Liberating black women would consequently free everyone else because we would be required to break every oppressive structure in society to do so. That is why identity politics is the most revolutionary act. . [Edited 10/4/18 6:12am]


In what way are black women "more oppressed" than anyone else? Are there rights that everyone except black women have?

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
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Reply #5 posted 10/04/18 7:55am

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djThunderfunk said:

hausofmoi7 said:

djThunderfunk said: No one is more oppressed than black women. So in order to free and liberate black women we would be require to bring down both patriarchy and racism simultaneously. Patriarchy and racism is what our society is built on. Liberating black women would consequently free everyone else because we would be required to break every oppressive structure in society to do so. That is why identity politics is the most revolutionary act. . [Edited 10/4/18 6:12am]


In what way are black women "more oppressed" than anyone else? Are there rights that everyone except black women have?

Considering that racism and sexism are still potent forces in our society, Black women get it coming and going, hit from every angle.

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Reply #6 posted 10/04/18 8:03am

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jjhunsecker said:

djThunderfunk said:


In what way are black women "more oppressed" than anyone else? Are there rights that everyone except black women have?

Considering that racism and sexism are still potent forces in our society, Black women get it coming and going, hit from every angle.


So, black women do have the same rights as people of other genders and races?

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
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Reply #7 posted 10/04/18 8:13am

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jjhunsecker said:



djThunderfunk said:




hausofmoi7 said:


djThunderfunk said: No one is more oppressed than black women. So in order to free and liberate black women we would be require to bring down both patriarchy and racism simultaneously. Patriarchy and racism is what our society is built on. Liberating black women would consequently free everyone else because we would be required to break every oppressive structure in society to do so. That is why identity politics is the most revolutionary act. . [Edited 10/4/18 6:12am]


In what way are black women "more oppressed" than anyone else? Are there rights that everyone except black women have?




Considering that racism and sexism are still potent forces in our society, Black women get it coming and going, hit from every angle.


Exactly.
The fact you have to even point it out says it all.

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"It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non-violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection" – Lesley Hazleton on the first muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #8 posted 10/04/18 8:14am

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djThunderfunk said:

jjhunsecker said:

Considering that racism and sexism are still potent forces in our society, Black women get it coming and going, hit from every angle.


So, black women do have the same rights as people of other genders and races?

On paper...

But in the real world, by any measure, Blacks and Latinos are treated worse than Whites, and women are treated worse than men. So Black women are treated to the double whammy of racism and sexism.

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Reply #9 posted 10/04/18 8:15am

PurpleSkipper5
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hausofmoi7 said:

djThunderfunk said:



hausofmoi7 said:


There is actually nothing more revolutionary than placing the struggle of the most marginalised and oppressed in society at the centre. Keeping track of the most marginalised is the only way to really tell if we are on the right track. I forget the actual quote, ( I’m trying to look for it) Basically it said that the liberation of black women requires us to bring down every structure in our society. No one will truly be free until black women are liberated Identity politics can actually be one of the most revolutionary acts. It may be the most revolutionary when done honestly. . [Edited 10/4/18 5:47am]


What? confuse

From whom do black women need to be liberated? And please explain what you mean by "bring down every structure in our society".


No one is more oppressed than black women


*Black muslim disabled trans women*
”The people that will end up defining ‘Hate Speech Laws’ are the very people you don’t want to define the Hate Speech Laws” — Jordan B Peterson
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Reply #10 posted 10/04/18 8:15am

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djThunderfunk said:



jjhunsecker said:




djThunderfunk said:




In what way are black women "more oppressed" than anyone else? Are there rights that everyone except black women have?




Considering that racism and sexism are still potent forces in our society, Black women get it coming and going, hit from every angle.




So, black women do have the same rights as people of other genders and races?



Domestic violence is illegal.
So I guess it’s not an issue then?


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"It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non-violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection" – Lesley Hazleton on the first muslim, the prophet.
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Manifold joys of shitposting aside, Jonathan Pie's often quite funny - and the character is always very much prodding modern-day liberal foibles (or, more often, skewering the MSM and the Tories) as a liberal. He's of the Left, not some kind of Petersonian goof. All becomes a bit clearer in his chat with Guardian journalist Owen Jones:

"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
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Reply #12 posted 10/04/18 8:17am

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PurpleSkipper58 said:

hausofmoi7 said:


No one is more oppressed than black women


*Black muslim disabled trans women*

Is still a black Women.
Try harder troll.
"It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non-violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection" – Lesley Hazleton on the first muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #13 posted 10/04/18 8:21am

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hausofmoi7 said:

jjhunsecker said:

Considering that racism and sexism are still potent forces in our society, Black women get it coming and going, hit from every angle.

Exactly. The fact you have to even point it out says it all. .


Did somebody say that racism or sexism aren't a thing? I sure didn't.

I did ask what rights black women don't have that everyone else does. No answer, but, I didn't expect one since the answer is "none".

Black women have every right that white men have, and we have laws against discrimination based on race and gender.

So, to the statement, "No one will truly be free until black women are liberated", I ask, "liberated" from what? People's attitudes about race and gender?

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
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Reply #14 posted 10/04/18 8:23am

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jjhunsecker said:

djThunderfunk said:


So, black women do have the same rights as people of other genders and races?

On paper...

But in the real world, by any measure, Blacks and Latinos are treated worse than Whites, and women are treated worse than men. So Black women are treated to the double whammy of racism and sexism.


Do we not all have the same rights, regardless of gender or race?

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
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Reply #15 posted 10/04/18 8:24am

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hausofmoi7 said:

djThunderfunk said:


So, black women do have the same rights as people of other genders and races?

Domestic violence is illegal. So I guess it’s not an issue then? .


So you're saying the law is just, but attitudes are not?

We were HERE, where were you?

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Reply #16 posted 10/04/18 8:24am

PurpleSkipper5
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hausofmoi7 said:

PurpleSkipper58 said:



*Black muslim disabled trans women*

Is still a black Women.
Try harder troll.

[Offensive comment snip - luv4u]
”The people that will end up defining ‘Hate Speech Laws’ are the very people you don’t want to define the Hate Speech Laws” — Jordan B Peterson
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Reply #17 posted 10/04/18 8:27am

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deebee said:

Manifold joys of shitposting aside, Jonathan Pie's often quite funny - and the character is always very much prodding modern-day liberal foibles (or, more often, skewering the MSM and the Tories) as a liberal. He's of the Left, not some kind of Petersonian goof. All becomes a bit clearer in his chat with Guardian journalist Owen Jones:


Never heard of this guy, reminds of Colbert's character on the Colbert Report, when he was still funny.


We were HERE, where were you?

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Reply #18 posted 10/04/18 8:27am

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PurpleSkipper58 said:

hausofmoi7 said:


Is still a black Women.
Try harder troll.

[Offensive comment snip - luv4u]

And technically, it being a Muslim would be a walking contradiction and if they lived anywhere in the Middle East, they’d be publicly executed.
So yeah i’m pretty sure that person would rank higher in the Oppression Olympics
”The people that will end up defining ‘Hate Speech Laws’ are the very people you don’t want to define the Hate Speech Laws” — Jordan B Peterson
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Reply #19 posted 10/04/18 8:28am

PurpleSkipper5
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djThunderfunk said:



deebee said:


Manifold joys of shitposting aside, Jonathan Pie's often quite funny - and the character is always very much prodding modern-day liberal foibles (or, more often, skewering the MSM and the Tories) as a liberal. He's of the Left, not some kind of Petersonian goof. All becomes a bit clearer in his chat with Guardian journalist Owen Jones:




Never heard of this guy, reminds of Colbert's character on the Colbert Report, when he was still funny.



He represents what the Mainstream Left should be.
”The people that will end up defining ‘Hate Speech Laws’ are the very people you don’t want to define the Hate Speech Laws” — Jordan B Peterson
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Reply #20 posted 10/04/18 8:31am

PurpleSkipper5
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Oppression Olympics must be a tough, tough game.
”The people that will end up defining ‘Hate Speech Laws’ are the very people you don’t want to define the Hate Speech Laws” — Jordan B Peterson
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Reply #21 posted 10/04/18 8:32am

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djThunderfunk said:



hausofmoi7 said:


jjhunsecker said:



Considering that racism and sexism are still potent forces in our society, Black women get it coming and going, hit from every angle.



Exactly. The fact you have to even point it out says it all. .


Did somebody say that racism or sexism aren't a thing? I sure didn't.

I did ask what rights black women don't have that everyone else does. No answer, but, I didn't expect one since the answer is "none".

Black women have every right that white men have, and we have laws against discrimination based on race and gender.

So, to the statement, "No one will truly be free until black women are liberated", I ask, "liberated" from what? People's attitudes about race and gender?



Since domestic violence is illegal I guess it’s not an issue then?
According to your logic anyway.

Domestic violence would be considered an identitarian issue to some people.
Since it doesn’t affect everyone should we then dismiss it?




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Reply #22 posted 10/04/18 8:33am

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PurpleSkipper58 said:

PurpleSkipper58 said:
[Offensive comment snip - luv4u]
And technically, it being a Muslim would be a walking contradiction and if they lived anywhere in the Middle East, they’d be publicly executed. So yeah i’m pretty sure that person would rank higher in the Oppression Olympics

IT? You refer to trans people as it? Seriously, how disrespectful can a person be? How about you refer to them as the gender they want to be refered as? Does it hurt you to call her a woman? Jesus christ, have some respect!

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Reply #23 posted 10/04/18 8:36am

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PurpleSkipper58 said:

djThunderfunk said:


Never heard of this guy, reminds of Colbert's character on the Colbert Report, when he was still funny.


He represents what the Mainstream Left should be.


I would argue that most on the "left", or, at least most liberals, are fair minded and moderate, just as most on the "right", or, at least most conservatives are likewise fair minded and moderate. Media, both mainstream and social, would have us believe that most of us are extremists, left or right, but it's just not true no matter how hard they work to make it so.

We were HERE, where were you?

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Reply #24 posted 10/04/18 8:39am

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djThunderfunk said:

jjhunsecker said:

On paper...

But in the real world, by any measure, Blacks and Latinos are treated worse than Whites, and women are treated worse than men. So Black women are treated to the double whammy of racism and sexism.


Do we not all have the same rights, regardless of gender or race?

On paper, we supposedly do...

In reality, that's not necessarily the case

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hausofmoi7 said:

djThunderfunk said:


Did somebody say that racism or sexism aren't a thing? I sure didn't.

I did ask what rights black women don't have that everyone else does. No answer, but, I didn't expect one since the answer is "none".

Black women have every right that white men have, and we have laws against discrimination based on race and gender.

So, to the statement, "No one will truly be free until black women are liberated", I ask, "liberated" from what? People's attitudes about race and gender?

Since Domestic violence is illegal. I guess it’s not an issue then? According to your logic anyway. Domestic violence is an identitarian issue to some people. It doesn’t affect everyone so we should dismiss it I guess. .


How do you come to that conclusion from anything I've said?

Domestic violence is illegal regardless of the gender or race of the victim. There are no exceptions based on race or gender, so, from what do black women need to be liberated?

We were HERE, where were you?

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Reply #26 posted 10/04/18 8:40am

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jjhunsecker said:

djThunderfunk said:


Do we not all have the same rights, regardless of gender or race?

On paper, we supposedly do...

In reality, that's not necessarily the case


You're still talking about attitudes. Should there be a law against having racist or sexist attitudes? Is that what we need to "liberate black women"?



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We were HERE, where were you?

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Reply #27 posted 10/04/18 8:42am

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ThatWhiteDude said:



PurpleSkipper58 said:


PurpleSkipper58 said:
Technically it was born a black man, Then it found out they had gender dysphoria, went the surgery and took a bunch of estrogens and then voila: PURE WOMAN! [Edited 10/4/18 8:24am]

And technically, it being a Muslim would be a walking contradiction and if they lived anywhere in the Middle East, they’d be publicly executed. So yeah i’m pretty sure that person would rank higher in the Oppression Olympics

IT? You refer to trans people as it? Seriously, how disrespectful can a person be? How about you refer to them as the gender they want to be refered as? Does it hurt you to call her a woman? Jesus christ, have some respect!


LMAO
I don’t respect ANYONE I don’t know until I get to know them and their actions cause me to give them respect.
I don’t care if you’re male, female, or any made-up gender, you have to earn respect. That’s how real life works. Suck it up, buttercup.
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Reply #28 posted 10/04/18 8:43am

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hausofmoi7 said:

djThunderfunk said:


Did somebody say that racism or sexism aren't a thing? I sure didn't.

I did ask what rights black women don't have that everyone else does. No answer, but, I didn't expect one since the answer is "none".

Black women have every right that white men have, and we have laws against discrimination based on race and gender.

So, to the statement, "No one will truly be free until black women are liberated", I ask, "liberated" from what? People's attitudes about race and gender?

Since Domestic violence is illegal. I guess it’s not an issue then? According to your logic anyway. Domestic violence is an identitarian issue to some people. It doesn’t affect everyone so we should dismiss it I guess. .

If racism and sexism are still a thing, then that means that some people are not treated equally in society. It's pretty clear , in my understanding, that what you mean is that once these scourges are eliminated, then society would be better for all

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PurpleSkipper58 said:

Oppression Olympics must be a tough, tough game.

The quest for dignity is a tough tough game.



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