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Thread started 09/13/18 3:09am

WhiteRabbit7

BREXIT 19th May 2019

What do Prince Fans think? European Union formed just after 2nd World War to prevent 3rd World War breaking out. 2nd World War caused by everyone blaming Germany (and making them pay for it) for the start of the 1st World War.

Does Trump have too much too do building the wall and liasing with the middle east and that North Koreon chap (who I heard has anyone who opposes him quitely taken away and shot?)

Will USA come to our assistance like they did in 2nd World War.....i.e. just after Nazi's nearly beat us and then USA would have all of Sweden, Russa, Germany, France, Netherlands and United Kingdom and Ireland to contend with as well?

If my British Passport still has E.U on it does this mean I can travel freely for work between all the countries in the E.U (27 I think there at the moment) next year the same as I can now?

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Reply #1 posted 09/13/18 3:35am

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As someone quite far left i've seen some very good arguments for leaving the EU (i'm in Ireland btw so it's not currently on the cards), mostly the idea that it's an institution that has evolved to be in a place where it helps the Germany economy at the expense of everyone else (including, funnily enough, France who were amongs the original creators of it). Having said that, I like the idea of the EU, I like having these connections with my fellow Europeans, I like the bonds we have created through a shared currency and the ability to work in each others countries.

Also, being from Ireland, the igorance of the Brits towards their own country by ignoring how completely unworkable Brexit is with the North of Ireland is, well, not shocking, but depressing. I heard a figure the other day talking about the amount of deaths in the north of Ireland during the troubles, if it was mapped onto the USA it would be the equivalent of 500 thousand people killed in violence between parlamilitary and government forces between 1968 and 1998. This could come back very easily. Hopefully not but they don't even have a government in the North right now, I'll leave it open for any Northern Irish org-ers to chime in and correct me on the situation though.

So, my feelings are mixed, to put it lightly.

[Edited 9/13/18 3:37am]

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Reply #2 posted 09/13/18 9:26am

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I had a friend who came from Ireland who told me you used to at one time (before or early EU formation) could drive a hire a car to drive on a provisional license. My great-uncle just after or before EU formed could buy a driving license from the post office (like the provisional license) and then go out and get the car straight away.

We used to be able to drive a 50cc after passing a driving test with L plates, now we have to take 4 tests (2 theory and 2 practical) to get bike test and (2 theory plus 1 practical for car). So yes money is a big deal. Petrol prices not may be governed by Europe are something like £1.25 a litre and a lot of this is not for petrol but tax.

Also I don't know how many people were killed in London during the blitz..as London was probably just as densly populated in 1939 as it is today but we've had several terrorist attacks in London on trains, tubes and buses since 1998 with one outside Warren Street, where my husband used to work.

Also the population of the UK now is something like 65.54 million/ 70 million. London being the most densely populated. The population of London 8.136 million....and population of USA 325.7 million, 2017....below (copied off of google plus first search result).

Deaths

Total Number Sent to AuschwitzNumber Killed at Auschwitz
Jews 1,095,000 960,000
Polish people 147,000 74,000
Roma 23,000 21,000
Soviet prisoners of war 15,000 15,000

I also know from my Mother who lived in Amsterdam for many years that some countries like Japan trade with Netherlands but no one else....being in the EU doesn't seem to have damaged this trade link but its never traded with UK either (who is also in EU).

Got to go now.

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Reply #3 posted 09/13/18 10:36am

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Yes I'm rather glad we reformed our driving licence laws, I doubt it was anything to do with joining the EU specifically though.
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Reply #4 posted 09/13/18 12:31pm

EmmaMcG

Whatever happens, I just hope Jacob Rees-Mogg becomes the new Prime Minister. That guy cracks me up.
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Reply #5 posted 09/13/18 10:35pm

maplenpg

EmmaMcG said:

Whatever happens, I just hope Jacob Rees-Mogg becomes the new Prime Minister. That guy cracks me up.

I sincerely hope you don't mean that. He scares the living shit out of me.
It never ceases to amaze me how cruel humans can be against fellow humans and animals, especially when in the pursuit of money and power.
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Reply #6 posted 09/13/18 10:44pm

Silvertongue7

maplenpg said:

EmmaMcG said:

Whatever happens, I just hope Jacob Rees-Mogg becomes the new Prime Minister. That guy cracks me up.

I sincerely hope you don't mean that. He scares the living shit out of me.

I agree. Dangerous man with a dangerous agenda who, like Boris, gets away with way too much because he’s an eccentric. But ignore the way the man looks and speaks and listen to what he says...
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Reply #7 posted 09/14/18 12:38am

EmmaMcG

maplenpg said:

EmmaMcG said:

Whatever happens, I just hope Jacob Rees-Mogg becomes the new Prime Minister. That guy cracks me up.

I sincerely hope you don't mean that. He scares the living shit out of me.


Of course not. Saying I want him as the UK prime minister is akin to saying I want Trump as US President. Both men provide endless entertainment for those of us not from those countries but there's always a fear that their bonehead decisions will affect us too.
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Reply #8 posted 09/14/18 2:01am

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Mogg's doesn't want to be Prime Minister, he wants to snipe from the sidelines, get Theresa May to do his work and let her take all the flack when it goes wrong. He's no fool.

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Reply #9 posted 09/14/18 2:26am

EmmaMcG

jaawwnn said:

Mogg's doesn't want to be Prime Minister, he wants to snipe from the sidelines, get Theresa May to do his work and let her take all the flack when it goes wrong. He's no fool.



Well, he IS a bit of a fool. Have you seen his appearances on Have I Got News For You? He always seems genuinely oblivious when Ian Hislop is making fun of him.
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Reply #10 posted 09/14/18 6:33am

maplenpg

EmmaMcG said:

jaawwnn said:

Mogg's doesn't want to be Prime Minister, he wants to snipe from the sidelines, get Theresa May to do his work and let her take all the flack when it goes wrong. He's no fool.

Well, he IS a bit of a fool. Have you seen his appearances on Have I Got News For You? He always seems genuinely oblivious when Ian Hislop is making fun of him.

He's a huge tool (I mean fool). Did you see him on The Jeremy Vine show the other day? I'm not convinced he hasn't got his eye on being PM.

It never ceases to amaze me how cruel humans can be against fellow humans and animals, especially when in the pursuit of money and power.
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Reply #11 posted 09/14/18 6:34am

maplenpg

Silvertongue7 said:

maplenpg said:
I sincerely hope you don't mean that. He scares the living shit out of me.
I agree. Dangerous man with a dangerous agenda who, like Boris, gets away with way too much because he’s an eccentric. But ignore the way the man looks and speaks and listen to what he says...

I agree.

It never ceases to amaze me how cruel humans can be against fellow humans and animals, especially when in the pursuit of money and power.
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Reply #12 posted 09/14/18 9:25am

WhiteRabbit7

Well after discussing with various people down the pub we have all agreed that it will be like 1999/2000 all over again.....you know a lot of scaremongering and people needleslly stocking up on cans of baked beans in case all the computers can't read '00' and no one would be able to go into work because all the trains/plains and buses cease to run. Come January 2000....and we were still standing on a cold, rainy, over-crowded train platform at 7.30am.

Seems DM and Metro have picked up and written a few more articles today...but mainly more scaremongering along the lines of if there is no deal reached soon then all the house prices would drop 30% (which is why some people voted leave in the first place!). Just glanced at DM headline and then the 1.5m comments...it was a lot higher when vote was first cast.

They said 19th May 2019...but I think they want to keep quiet about it. You know treat us all like mushrooms to make us grow faster.

Also we don't know who the Deputy Prime Minister is...so if our current one gets assasinated (there have been death threats) or she goes on holiday....we will be told at the last minute (as a surprise).....just in case we might like protest beforehand!

Personally think all the solicitors, MEPs etc just want to milk the tax-payers as much as possible before giving them what they voted for. Note how EU Parliment is in Brussels and all the hotels round there are triple price to stay the night.

Also just for information to get a full light-aircraft/helicopter pilots licence now costs circa £20,000 (medical tests etc)...and if you'd got one 20 years ago it would have cost half, maybe less....but that's about the same cost as going to Uni and the Police Helicopter Pilots get £75,000 a year. Just need 16 hours...pass a medical test...a few more hours study and £20k!

Anyway, Friday night tonight........so got to rush home for catch-up of Neighbours.

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Reply #13 posted 09/17/18 12:33am

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WhiteRabbit7 said:

What do Prince Fans think? European Union formed just after 2nd World War to prevent 3rd World War breaking out. 2nd World War caused by everyone blaming Germany (and making them pay for it) for the start of the 1st World War.

Does Trump have too much too do building the wall and liasing with the middle east and that North Koreon chap (who I heard has anyone who opposes him quitely taken away and shot?)

Will USA come to our assistance like they did in 2nd World War.....i.e. just after Nazi's nearly beat us and then USA would have all of Sweden, Russa, Germany, France, Netherlands and United Kingdom and Ireland to contend with as well?

If my British Passport still has E.U on it does this mean I can travel freely for work between all the countries in the E.U (27 I think there at the moment) next year the same as I can now?


Get your facts right.
The EU was founded in 1992 (signing the treaty, becomming effective in 1993) in Maastricht, the Netherlands.

Predecessors of the EU were the ECSC and EEG.
They had nothing to do with preventing WWIII, but were a trade union, an economical partnership, to form a unified block against global players such as the US.

As a UK citizen, you couldn't & can't travel 'freely' into the rest of the EU as the UK is not part of the Schengen treaty, which warrants free travel.

Once you're in the Schengen zone, you're free to travel to other Schengen countries as you please. But that's for every other non-Schengen citizens (so also for US citizens or Chinese, Japanese...whichever)

In case of "war support"; this is guaranteed by NATO membership. Has nothing to do with EU membership.

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Reply #14 posted 09/17/18 4:50pm

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WhiteRabbit7 said:

What do Prince Fans think? European Union formed just after 2nd World War to prevent 3rd World War breaking out. 2nd World War caused by everyone blaming Germany (and making them pay for it) for the start of the 1st World War.

Does Trump have too much too do building the wall and liasing with the middle east and that North Koreon chap (who I heard has anyone who opposes him quitely taken away and shot?)

Will USA come to our assistance like they did in 2nd World War.....i.e. just after Nazi's nearly beat us and then USA would have all of Sweden, Russa, Germany, France, Netherlands and United Kingdom and Ireland to contend with as well?

If my British Passport still has E.U on it does this mean I can travel freely for work between all the countries in the E.U (27 I think there at the moment) next year the same as I can now?



Strange post. Which way did you vote if you weren't sure of the detail?

The EU was only formed in 1992. Nato already exsited to keep the peace. The formation of the EU was the fundamental first step from a free market (EEC) to a single state (ever closer political union), through the Maastricht Treaty.

A few years later, the Lisbon Treaty was introduced to cement the transfer of more sovereign powers from individual states to the EU; but it was agreed that the peoples of the EU should be asked, via referendum, to agree such fundamental change.

The people of France, Netherlands and Ireland voted 'no' to the changes. As a result, remaining referendums were cancelled and the politicans decided behind closed doors that the treaty should not be put to the people. Leaders signed up without mandate, except for Ireland, where the EU funded the biggest ever advertising campaign to carry out a second referendum to overturn the first result.

With referendums sidestepped, the EU recommended no more should take place, but in the UK, it became a political hot potato for the next 10 years; with some arguing that democratic choice should be sort, and others happy for future changes to be dictated, as they believed the public would reject them.

Those are the facts, and beyond that, its personal choice which side of the democratic argument you fall. No right or wrong. Just opinion.

In regards to your passport. We don't know yet. Best case, it will carry on as usual, with a joint agreement between the UK and EU. Worst case, you can still work abroad, much like you could pre-1992, but you might need to apply for a visa prior to doing so.

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Reply #15 posted 09/17/18 5:12pm

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Have remainers and brexiteers discovered Pat yet?

Banned from Youtube (he's having to broadcast from Bitchute now) for expressing his opinion. He's like your dad, but an outlaw. Clever guy. Scary that we have reached a point where his views are banned. Dangerous times.

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Reply #16 posted 09/17/18 9:55pm

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SquirrelMeat said:

Have remainers and brexiteers discovered Pat yet?

Banned from Youtube (he's having to broadcast from Bitchute now) for expressing his opinion. He's like your dad, but an outlaw. Clever guy. Scary that we have reached a point where his views are banned. Dangerous times.



Ooohh... how you dare, post a video by Pat Condell. You must be a racist, a Nazi.
At least that was wat I was called when I posted a video from Pat about social justice warriors / millennial snowflakes.

I hope that May doesn't fuck up the Brexit and that it will be a succes for the UK so that other union memebers have a shining example and will follow.

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Reply #17 posted 09/20/18 7:48am

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"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge"" ~ Isaac Asimov
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Reply #18 posted 09/20/18 2:04pm

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Took too long. But I'm happy it finally happened.

Now the UK has a chance to be saved...

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Reply #19 posted 09/20/18 2:19pm

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PurpleSkipper58 said:

Took too long. But I'm happy it finally happened.


Now the UK has a chance to be saved...



What’s finally happened? Saved from what? And by whom?
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