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fred12

IS IT A PUNISHMENT????

I suffered a slight stroke on June 24, 2018..my ex-wife says that it was KARMA for all the stuff that went on in our past masrriage..She says God allowed that stroke to happen to me..Not realizing I had been deeply stressed out and my cholesterol was sky high..what are your thoughts? Trust me, I can take whatever being said..I just wanna know is that how things go? When you have strokes, heart attacks, or terminal diseases that its brought on because you didnt get along with someone

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Reply #1 posted 09/05/18 4:00pm

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What the hell cray cray crap is she spewing??

None of what she says is true. Don't be so gullible.

Talk to your friends and family. Your doctor can also answer any medical questions.

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Reply #2 posted 09/06/18 12:57pm

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You could just as easily say that, despite your high cholesterol and stress, you only had a minor stroke and seek to attribute this positive outcome to God. In all probability, this is just as misleading and your stroke is nothing but a natural part of life.

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You have been lucky/blessed with a warning to seek to reduce your chances of another stroke. Obviously, I do not know your ex or why you are no longer together, but it is clear that your ex does not speak for God or have your best interests at heart.

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In all our remaining lives, the best we can do is to seek to be better than we were before. In this we can recognise our failings and correct for those of these that we should if we can. Take this chance you have been given and make the best of it.

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Reply #3 posted 09/06/18 1:18pm

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Often when people cross me and do wrong they will suffer from terminal disease. I don't wish anything bad on people but sometimes I think it is a curse. I don't believe it's karma. I think coincidence. Sometimes I wish life was more stable and sometimes chaos follows me.
I think we can all collectively say.
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Reply #4 posted 09/06/18 1:35pm

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Often when people cross me and do wrong they will suffer from terminal disease. I don't wish anything bad on people but sometimes I think it is a curse. I don't believe it's karma. I think coincidence. Sometimes I wish life was more stable and sometimes chaos follows me.

Man, if I get a terminal disease and die I’m haunting the hell out of you!
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Reply #5 posted 09/06/18 2:08pm

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fred12 said:

I suffered a slight stroke on June 24, 2018..my ex-wife says that it was KARMA for all the stuff that went on in our past masrriage..She says God allowed that stroke to happen to me..Not realizing I had been deeply stressed out and my cholesterol was sky high..what are your thoughts? Trust me, I can take whatever being said..I just wanna know is that how things go? When you have strokes, heart attacks, or terminal diseases that its brought on because you didnt get along with someone




I always keep this in mind.

Matthew 5
45...He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.


I have no clue how karma is really supposed to work, crappy stuff happens to babies all the time and they haven't had time to do crappy stuff to other people, that's my thoughts on karma.

"If you want the wise man to be as angry as the unworthiness of the crimes demands, he must become not angry but insane."
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Reply #6 posted 09/06/18 3:29pm

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luv4u said:

What the hell cray cray crap is she spewing??

None of what she says is true. Don't be so gullible.

Talk to your friends and family. Your doctor can also answer any medical questions.

Thanks!!!!!!!...she has her mom and step-father saying the same thing..they are off the chain

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Reply #7 posted 09/06/18 3:30pm

fred12

IanRG said:

You could just as easily say that, despite your high cholesterol and stress, you only had a minor stroke and seek to attribute this positive outcome to God. In all probability, this is just as misleading and your stroke is nothing but a natural part of life.

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You have been lucky/blessed with a warning to seek to reduce your chances of another stroke. Obviously, I do not know your ex or why you are no longer together, but it is clear that your ex does not speak for God or have your best interests at heart.

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In all our remaining lives, the best we can do is to seek to be better than we were before. In this we can recognise our failings and correct for those of these that we should if we can. Take this chance you have been given and make the best of it.

I greatly appreciate it..and I am not on here to recieve brownie ponts!!!

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Reply #8 posted 09/06/18 3:45pm

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No no no.

Though my friends say i should be banned from it, check WebMD for the causes. High bood pressure, heart disease, diabetes...among other things, but karma is not listed in any medical journal as the cause.

Karma can cause mild to chronic guilt though in some subjects.
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Reply #9 posted 09/06/18 4:13pm

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fred12 said:

luv4u said:

What the hell cray cray crap is she spewing??

None of what she says is true. Don't be so gullible.

Talk to your friends and family. Your doctor can also answer any medical questions.

Thanks!!!!!!!...she has her mom and step-father saying the same thing..they are off the chain



eek

At least you have common sense lol

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Reply #10 posted 09/06/18 5:13pm

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fred12 said:

I suffered a slight stroke on June 24, 2018..my ex-wife says that it was KARMA for all the stuff that went on in our past masrriage..She says God allowed that stroke to happen to me..Not realizing I had been deeply stressed out and my cholesterol was sky high..what are your thoughts? Trust me, I can take whatever being said..I just wanna know is that how things go? When you have strokes, heart attacks, or terminal diseases that its brought on because you didnt get along with someone



People misunderstand what karma is and what it means.

In Hinduism:


Karma is the Hindu view of causality in which good deeds, words, thoughts, and commands lead to beneficial effects for a person, and bad deeds, words, thoughts, and commands lead to harmful effects. These effects are not necessarily immediate but can be visited upon a soul in future lives through reincarnation; additionally, good or bad fortune experienced in life may be the result of good or bad actions performed in a past life. One’s karmic state affects the reincarnation of the soul: good karma may lead to reincarnation as a human while bad karma can lead to reincarnation as an animal or other forms of non-human life. Many Hindus hold a theistic view of karma in which a personal god—such as Vishnu in Vaishnavism and Shiva in Shaivism—is responsible for administering karma according to a soul’s actions. Non-theistic strands of Hinduism believe that karma is a matter of basic cause-and-effect without the need of a deity to mediate the effects.

In Buddhism:

"What is the cause, what is the reason, O Lord," questioned he, "that we find amongst mankind the short-lived and long-lived, the healthy and the diseased, the ugly and beautiful, those lacking influence and the powerful, the poor and the rich, the low-born and the high-born, and the ignorant and the wise?"

The Buddha’s reply was:

"All living beings have actions (Karma) as their own, their inheritance, their congenital cause, their kinsman, their refuge. It is Karma that differentiates beings into low and high states."

He then explained the cause of such differences in accordance with the law of cause and effect.

Certainly we are born with hereditary characteristics. At the same time we possess certain innate abilities that science cannot adequately account for. To our parents we are indebted for the gross sperm and ovum that form the nucleus of this so-called being. They remain dormant within each parent until this potential germinal compound is vitalised by the karmic energy needed for the production of the foetus. Karma is therefore the indispensable conceptive cause of this being.

The accumulated karmic tendencies, inherited in the course of previous lives, at times play a far greater role than the hereditary parental cells and genes in the formation of both physical and mental characteristics.

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What Buddha is saying is that at the exact moment of birth, a spark is set forth in the Cosmic realm with a certain karmic vibration. Souls/spirits that have that same karmic vibration are drawn to that spark. Dependent upon which soul/spirit fits that karmic vibration, will result in which spirit is born into this realm, to those particular parents, to that particular experiences.

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Essentially, the belief is that we all have Karmic debt that has been inherited over many lifetimes (not just what we do in this lifetime). This includes both good karma and bad karma. What we do today, we may not pay for until the next lifetime. We build this karma debt not just by good deeds and bad deeds, but by whether we cling to these deeds and the outcomes. So, if you clung to the outcome of marriage and how you treated your wife in that marriage, then you have built a karmic debt. But that debt may not come due until the next lifetime when you may be on the receiving end of such treatment. If she clings to the outcome of what you did, or how she reacted, then in the next lifetime she may face something similar. You (or she) will continue to face these types of situations in many different lifetimes until you learn whatever lesson you are meant to learn to from it, and release it, no longer cling to the idea, and no longer create a karmic debt surrounding it. The ultimate goal is to create no karmic debt, which will then free from the cycle of birth and rebirth. Such luminaries that are said to have obtained perfection, free from all karmic debt, can remain in the Cosmic Consciousness of Christ, or they can be reborn as a Guru (teacher) or Sambodhi to lead others to this Cosmic Consciousness of Christ.

As for whether your stroke may be karmic debt, it is possible, but it would not be due to the circumstances with your wife. If you have not taken care of yourself, in this lifetime, as well as previous lifetimes, and you have clung to the outcome of poor health (death) then you may have to face a similar situation in this lifetime, until you can gracefully accept and not cling to death as the final outcome of poor health.



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Reply #11 posted 09/06/18 5:25pm

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Reply #12 posted 09/06/18 7:29pm

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RodeoSchro said:

God is love.



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Reply #13 posted 09/07/18 8:40am

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There is no such thing as karma or any of that bullshit. So, your ex wife is just talking bollocks.
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Reply #14 posted 09/07/18 8:48am

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Christians do not believe in fucking Karma. A truly evil idea. God protects but losens the hedge for mysterious reasons. Above my pay grade.

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Reply #15 posted 09/07/18 6:33pm

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fred12 said:
my cholesterol was sky high

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Bingo. There's your reason. No need to appeal to a punishment by God (nor your survival from it a blessing from God, in agreement with Ian there).

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2freaky said:
Christians do not believe in fucking Karma. A truly evil idea.

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Is not a key idea in Christianity the idea that one reaps what one sows? Is Matthew 25:31-46 not karmatic in some sense?

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Reply #16 posted 09/07/18 9:06pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Christians do not believe in fucking Karma. A truly evil idea. God protects but losens the hedge for mysterious reasons. Above my pay grade.

The Bible also says that ".. whatever a man sows, the same he shall reap ...". See Galatians 6:6-10.

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Reply #17 posted 09/07/18 9:09pm

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fred12 said:

I suffered a slight stroke on June 24, 2018..my ex-wife says that it was KARMA for all the stuff that went on in our past masrriage..She says God allowed that stroke to happen to me..Not realizing I had been deeply stressed out and my cholesterol was sky high..what are your thoughts? Trust me, I can take whatever being said..I just wanna know is that how things go? When you have strokes, heart attacks, or terminal diseases that its brought on because you didnt get along with someone

Fred, I have no idea what happened in your previous marriage, but I believe that stress is the main source of lots of illnesses.

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Reply #18 posted 09/07/18 10:12pm

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What does sow mean?
[Edited 9/7/18 22:17pm]
"If you want the wise man to be as angry as the unworthiness of the crimes demands, he must become not angry but insane."
- Seneca, On Anger 2.9.4
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Reply #19 posted 09/08/18 1:26am

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tmo1965 said:



2freaky4church1 said:


Christians do not believe in fucking Karma. A truly evil idea. God protects but losens the hedge for mysterious reasons. Above my pay grade.



The Bible also says that ".. whatever a man sows, the same he shall reap ...". See Galatians 6:6-10.



Yeah, the bible says all kinds of crap.
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Reply #20 posted 09/08/18 2:35am

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onlyforaminute said:

What does sow mean?
[Edited 9/7/18 22:17pm]

Plant the seed
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Reply #21 posted 09/08/18 7:31am

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I do believe if someone wishes death or suffering (for example divorce) on someone enough it will happen but it is dangerous. Black magic is nothing to fool with and it is bad to wish harm on others or even believing bad things happened due to karma, in the majority of cases. I also believe it is possible just as positive thoughts can manifest.

I think we can all collectively say.
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Reply #22 posted 09/08/18 7:36am

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tmo1965 said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Christians do not believe in fucking Karma. A truly evil idea. God protects but losens the hedge for mysterious reasons. Above my pay grade.

The Bible also says that ".. whatever a man sows, the same he shall reap ...". See Galatians 6:6-10.

Just because a man does bad in some instances I don't believe the same will happen. Has to be some balance in the force. Fear, hate, anger are all dangerous if one has them and don't process them in way. So thinking something bad happens people deserve it cuz of karma or that bible verse it is not as simple. Balance young Jedi's.

I think we can all collectively say.
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Reply #23 posted 09/08/18 7:42am

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toejam said:

fred12 said:
my cholesterol was sky high

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Bingo. There's your reason. No need to appeal to a punishment by God (nor your survival from it a blessing from God, in agreement with Ian there).

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2freaky said:
Christians do not believe in fucking Karma. A truly evil idea.

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Is not a key idea in Christianity the idea that one reaps what one sows? Is Matthew 25:31-46 not karmatic in some sense?

I think of this more as doing then what happens. Like you don't do wrong to others but also I think sometimes wrong is a blurry area. It is also a matter of perspective as something bad can happen and be the manifestation of positive change. I know one man that almost died in a fire and he has 60% burns, it took him a good two years to battle back but now he owns and operated a few businesses. Before the fire, he was a loser and he would admit that. He is driven by what happened and likely his like will be shorter. Was this karma or negative thing that changed him for good? It is like getting involved with a married woman who is in an abusive relationship, you can be saving this person or you are getting involved in something you shouldn't and different people see it differently. Damned if do and don't situations in life.

I think we can all collectively say.
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Reply #24 posted 09/08/18 9:02am

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If I plant a tulip seed I'm not going to get a banana. Maybe real karma works the same way in how one cultivates something, I doubt it works like people say it. As in you got cursed with bad health because you weren't nice to me.
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"If you want the wise man to be as angry as the unworthiness of the crimes demands, he must become not angry but insane."
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Reply #25 posted 09/08/18 9:07am

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onlyforaminute said:

Silvertongue7 said:


Plant the seed


If I plant a tulip seed I'm not going to get a banana. Maybe real karma works the same way in how one cultivates something, I doubt it works like people say it. As in you got cursed with bad health because you weren't nice to me.

I just answered your question. I don’t believe in any kind of Karma or any other supernatural occurrence. I genuinely thought that you wanted a definition of the word, that I realise now it wasn’t the case, sorry eek
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Reply #26 posted 09/08/18 9:09am

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Silvertongue7 said:

onlyforaminute said:



If I plant a tulip seed I'm not going to get a banana. Maybe real karma works the same way in how one cultivates something, I doubt it works like people say it. As in you got cursed with bad health because you weren't nice to me.

I just answered your question. I don’t believe in any kind of Karma or any other supernatural occurrence. I genuinely thought that you wanted a definition of the word, that I realise now it wasn’t the case, sorry eek



I apologize. I shouldn't have quoted you. Easy fix.
"If you want the wise man to be as angry as the unworthiness of the crimes demands, he must become not angry but insane."
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Reply #27 posted 09/08/18 9:11am

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onlyforaminute said:

Silvertongue7 said:


I just answered your question. I don’t believe in any kind of Karma or any other supernatural occurrence. I genuinely thought that you wanted a definition of the word, that I realise now it wasn’t the case, sorry eek



I apologize. I shouldn't have quoted you. Easy fix.

No worries, it’s just a misunderstanding, that’s all.
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Reply #28 posted 09/08/18 9:30am

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As orgers get older and older, we may need a health and medications forum. The h&m forum wouls probably be the most popular one.

We all get old, there is no karma, but the natural process of aging will take hold of all of us. Some will fare a little better than others in the. Short term but we all get to the same place.
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Reply #29 posted 09/08/18 10:12am

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

As orgers get older and older, we may need a health and medications forum. The h&m forum wouls probably be the most popular one.

We all get old, there is no karma, but the natural process of aging will take hold of all of us. Some will fare a little better than others in the. Short term but we all get to the same place.



lol An old folks forum.
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