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Thread started 08/03/18 1:56pm

Musicslave

Black Christians Offended By Pastors Meeting Pres. About Prison Reform/Photo Op

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Pastor Darrell Scott said trump will be the "most pro-black president that we've had in our lifetime."

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You can hear Darrell Scott around the 17:07 mark. Dude said Obama didn't feel like he had anything to prove to the black community. He got a pass.

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Reply #1 posted 08/03/18 4:33pm

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Musicslave said:

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Pastor Darrell Scott said trump will be the "most pro-black president that we've had in our lifetime."


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You can hear Darrell Scott around the 17:07 mark. Dude said Obama didn't feel like he had anything to prove to the black community. He got a pass.


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Give him his bucket of fried chicken. He's earned it
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Reply #2 posted 08/03/18 8:00pm

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Reply #3 posted 08/04/18 1:11pm

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Having just wasted 30 minutes of my life watching the second video here are my comments (please bear in mind that I am not American and therefore do not have prior knowledge of most of those around the table):


I think Pastor John Gray was probably the most eloquent of all the people around the table. Though not openly critical of Trump, he certainly wasn't as openly gushing as many of the others. I also support his views in the first video that in order to do his job, he has to keep politics separate. I think the First Step Act, from what I understand, is quite liberal, and has the support of many Democrats, and it helps people, which the faith leaders have given their lives to doing, so regardless of their thoughts on Trump, they might well be supportive of this one act that Trump is trying to pass into law.


To address the topic of the thread, I guess I can understand why Black Christians might be offended, indeed why any Black person might be offended, by their pastors being in the presence of someone who harbours such abhorrent feelings towards non-whites, but, as John Gray said (quoting MLK Jr) "We cannot influence a table that we are not seated at". I would like to believe that they were all there because they wanted to give hope to their communities, even if the 30 minutes that we saw seemed more like a 30 minute Trump ego massage.

That said, an open letter by Billy Michael Honor criticising the meeting makes some great points: That they allowed themselves to be used as "mere political props in Trump's hall of power", that the topic of prison reform was the carrot dangled whilst other actions under the Trump administration suggest a pro-prison agenda rather than one that wants to prevent reoffending rates.

Perhaps the thing I found most troubling was when Trump used his 'friend' as evidence that prison reform was working. He said his friend had employed ten ex-prisoners and was happy with six or seven of them. This is no way evidence that Trump's politics are working. I'm not even sure I believe this 'friend' exists. Yet this kind of tripe is lapped up as a success and Trump thinks he wins again.

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It never ceases to amaze me how cruel humans can be against fellow humans and animals, especially when in the pursuit of money and power.
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Reply #4 posted 08/04/18 1:24pm

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It never ceases to amaze me how cruel humans can be against fellow humans and animals, especially when in the pursuit of money and power.
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Reply #5 posted 08/06/18 8:52am

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I'll share my thoughts shortly.

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Reply #6 posted 08/06/18 9:28am

Musicslave

maplenpg said:

Having just wasted 30 minutes of my life watching the second video here are my comments (please bear in mind that I am not American and therefore do not have prior knowledge of most of those around the table):


I think Pastor John Gray was probably the most eloquent of all the people around the table. Though not openly critical of Trump, he certainly wasn't as openly gushing as many of the others. I also support his views in the first video that in order to do his job, he has to keep politics separate. I think the First Step Act, from what I understand, is quite liberal, and has the support of many Democrats, and it helps people, which the faith leaders have given their lives to doing, so regardless of their thoughts on Trump, they might well be supportive of this one act that Trump is trying to pass into law.


To address the topic of the thread, I guess I can understand why Black Christians might be offended, indeed why any Black person might be offended, by their pastors being in the presence of someone who harbours such abhorrent feelings towards non-whites, but, as John Gray said (quoting MLK Jr) "We cannot influence a table that we are not seated at". I would like to believe that they were all there because they wanted to give hope to their communities, even if the 30 minutes that we saw seemed more like a 30 minute Trump ego massage.

That said, an open letter by Billy Michael Honor criticising the meeting makes some great points: That they allowed themselves to be used as "mere political props in Trump's hall of power", that the topic of prison reform was the carrot dangled whilst other actions under the Trump administration suggest a pro-prison agenda rather than one that wants to prevent reoffending rates.

Perhaps the thing I found most troubling was when Trump used his 'friend' as evidence that prison reform was working. He said his friend had employed ten ex-prisoners and was happy with six or seven of them. This is no way evidence that Trump's politics are working. I'm not even sure I believe this 'friend' exists. Yet this kind of tripe is lapped up as a success and Trump thinks he wins again.

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I think what troubles me often (among other things) is his game of word association. Usually whenever he mentions a minority group, his first remarks are usually one of crime, poverty, and all other things negative. This shows his default position of his heart and thoughts towards people of color in general. His superiority complex is showing whenever he comments on "urban" communities or Latino communities.

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Darrell Scott who's heard about 17 min into the WH video, is the one who pissed me off the most. To sit there and pretend as if Pres. Obama or Bush didn't have their own "Faith-Based Initiative" was appalling. The public display of presidential fellatio was gross and demeaning.

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https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/administration/eop/ofbnp

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https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/government/fbci/president-initiative.html

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And yes, Pastor John Gray is one of the most popular new pastors in the country. Of course trump would have the popular new guy next to him and make sure he spoke/prayed for the cameras. The other person he loves to grab for photo ops is Alveda King (the niece of Dr. Martin Luther King) who was sitted to his left. The whole thing was very staged.

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I guess we'll see if anything actually comes out of their "being at the table."

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Reply #7 posted 08/06/18 12:13pm

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Musicslave said:

maplenpg said:

Having just wasted 30 minutes of my life watching the second video here are my comments (please bear in mind that I am not American and therefore do not have prior knowledge of most of those around the table):


I think Pastor John Gray was probably the most eloquent of all the people around the table. Though not openly critical of Trump, he certainly wasn't as openly gushing as many of the others. I also support his views in the first video that in order to do his job, he has to keep politics separate. I think the First Step Act, from what I understand, is quite liberal, and has the support of many Democrats, and it helps people, which the faith leaders have given their lives to doing, so regardless of their thoughts on Trump, they might well be supportive of this one act that Trump is trying to pass into law.


To address the topic of the thread, I guess I can understand why Black Christians might be offended, indeed why any Black person might be offended, by their pastors being in the presence of someone who harbours such abhorrent feelings towards non-whites, but, as John Gray said (quoting MLK Jr) "We cannot influence a table that we are not seated at". I would like to believe that they were all there because they wanted to give hope to their communities, even if the 30 minutes that we saw seemed more like a 30 minute Trump ego massage.

That said, an open letter by Billy Michael Honor criticising the meeting makes some great points: That they allowed themselves to be used as "mere political props in Trump's hall of power", that the topic of prison reform was the carrot dangled whilst other actions under the Trump administration suggest a pro-prison agenda rather than one that wants to prevent reoffending rates.

Perhaps the thing I found most troubling was when Trump used his 'friend' as evidence that prison reform was working. He said his friend had employed ten ex-prisoners and was happy with six or seven of them. This is no way evidence that Trump's politics are working. I'm not even sure I believe this 'friend' exists. Yet this kind of tripe is lapped up as a success and Trump thinks he wins again.

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I think what troubles me often (among other things) is his game of word association. Usually whenever he mentions a minority group, his first remarks are usually one of crime, poverty, and all other things negative. This shows his default position of his heart and thoughts towards people of color in general. His superiority complex is showing whenever he comments on "urban" communities or Latino communities.

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Darrell Scott who's heard about 17 min into the WH video, is the one who pissed me off the most. To sit there and pretend as if Pres. Obama or Bush didn't have their own "Faith-Based Initiative" was appalling. The public display of presidential fellatio was gross and demeaning.

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https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/administration/eop/ofbnp

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https://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/government/fbci/president-initiative.html

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And yes, Pastor John Gray is one of the most popular new pastors in the country. Of course trump would have the popular new guy next to him and make sure he spoke/prayed for the cameras. The other person he loves to grab for photo ops is Alveda King (the niece of Dr. Martin Luther King) who was sitted to his left. The whole thing was very staged.

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I guess we'll see if anything actually comes out of their "being at the table."

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I agree - Absolutely it was staged. I also think the presidential fellatio was some sort of protocol given to them to say for the press, which I wish they has questioned. Trump is far too keen on getting his ego massaged, and saying he's doing lots, when the realiy is he's done nothing yet for prison reform (same as gun reform). Also, I would have liked to have seen some non faith-based representatives there given that not everyone who is involved with prison reform, and certainly not every prisoner, is a follower of a faith or religion (plus there were no muslims, jews or other religious representatives there which speaks volumes in itself).

Thanks for enlightening me as to who the people were, makes more sense now and, yes, of course prior presidents had their own 'Faith-based initiative', but Trump can't resist any dig he can get in at Obama so it's great for him if someone else around the table gets a lie or two in there too!

It never ceases to amaze me how cruel humans can be against fellow humans and animals, especially when in the pursuit of money and power.
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