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Reply #30 posted 07/10/18 1:14pm

bobzilla77

It's hard to follow this from the US because I can't seem to get a grasp on how people feel about the underlying issues, just about the people representing those different points of view. This one is a cunt, that one is an even worse cunt, but oh, the other one is the biggest cunt anyone's ever seen. All this arguing over cunt size has left me wondering after reading what feels like a lot about it: what are you hoping to achieve?

We are sufferring from the same problem in the States.

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Reply #31 posted 07/10/18 1:23pm

Silvertongue7

bobzilla77 said:

It's hard to follow this from the US because I can't seem to get a grasp on how people feel about the underlying issues, just about the people representing those different points of view. This one is a cunt, that one is an even worse cunt, but oh, the other one is the biggest cunt anyone's ever seen. All this arguing over cunt size has left me wondering after reading what feels like a lot about it: what are you hoping to achieve?



We are sufferring from the same problem in the States.


I think you get it much better than you think.
Nobody knows what they want from Brexit because no one thought it was going to happen so there was never a plan for it. So we have a government trying to negotiate something they don’t know what it is, completely incapable to present a united front because they’re completely fractured and crying like babies because the other 27 countries won’t let them have it their way (despite the fact that, as I’ve mentioned, they don’t know what they want!).
But the good news is that the opposition don’t know what they want either, so we’re fucked in every sense.
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Reply #32 posted 07/10/18 1:46pm

bobzilla77

Silvertongue7 said:

bobzilla77 said:

It's hard to follow this from the US because I can't seem to get a grasp on how people feel about the underlying issues, just about the people representing those different points of view. This one is a cunt, that one is an even worse cunt, but oh, the other one is the biggest cunt anyone's ever seen. All this arguing over cunt size has left me wondering after reading what feels like a lot about it: what are you hoping to achieve?

We are sufferring from the same problem in the States.

I think you get it much better than you think. Nobody knows what they want from Brexit because no one thought it was going to happen so there was never a plan for it. So we have a government trying to negotiate something they don’t know what it is, completely incapable to present a united front because they’re completely fractured and crying like babies because the other 27 countries won’t let them have it their way (despite the fact that, as I’ve mentioned, they don’t know what they want!). But the good news is that the opposition don’t know what they want either, so we’re fucked in every sense.

Yeah and the people in charge are all running for the exits now that they got what they said they wanted.

Well I hope it works out and you all get what you want once you figure that out.

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Reply #33 posted 07/10/18 1:50pm

Silvertongue7

bobzilla77 said:


Well I hope it works out and you all get what you want once you figure that out.


Well, I didn’t want Brexit and they didn’t allow me to vote so f*ck the lot of them...
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Reply #34 posted 07/10/18 2:51pm

poppys

Silvertongue7 said:

bobzilla77 said:

It's hard to follow this from the US because I can't seem to get a grasp on how people feel about the underlying issues, just about the people representing those different points of view. This one is a cunt, that one is an even worse cunt, but oh, the other one is the biggest cunt anyone's ever seen. All this arguing over cunt size has left me wondering after reading what feels like a lot about it: what are you hoping to achieve?

We are sufferring from the same problem in the States.


I think you get it much better than you think. Nobody knows what they want from Brexit because no one thought it was going to happen so there was never a plan for it. So we have a government trying to negotiate something they don’t know what it is, completely incapable to present a united front because they’re completely fractured and crying like babies because the other 27 countries won’t let them have it their way (despite the fact that, as I’ve mentioned, they don’t know what they want!). But the good news is that the opposition don’t know what they want either, so we’re fucked in every sense.

lol

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Reply #35 posted 07/10/18 3:08pm

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Silvertongue7 said:

bobzilla77 said:


Well I hope it works out and you all get what you want once you figure that out.


Well, I didn’t want Brexit and they didn’t allow me to vote so f*ck the lot of them...


That was an outrage against democracy, and obviously only done as it was thought EU citizens would be more likely to vote to remain in the EU. Everybody living in the UK should have been allowed to vote. In our independence referendum, everybody was allowed to vote, not just Scots. It cost yes the win, as breakdown of the result from polling shows that the English no vote was large enough to sway it, was but it’s the only way to operate a democracy.
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Reply #36 posted 07/10/18 4:25pm

CherryMoon57

Lianachan said:

Silvertongue7 said:
Well, I didn’t want Brexit and they didn’t allow me to vote so f*ck the lot of them...
That was an outrage against democracy, and obviously only done as it was thought EU citizens would be more likely to vote to remain in the EU. Everybody living in the UK should have been allowed to vote. In our independence referendum, everybody was allowed to vote, not just Scots. It cost yes the win, as breakdown of the result from polling shows that the English no vote was large enough to sway it, was but it’s the only way to operate a democracy.

I wasn't allowed to vote either neutral

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Reply #37 posted 07/10/18 7:13pm

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maplenpg said:

SquirrelMeat said:

Interesting times.

May is dead woman walking, but no one wants to take over just yet.

Davis stepped down because his job has essentially been undermined. I get than. But Boris has stepped down purely for leadership/political reasons. If he hadn't, after DD had, it would look like he actively supported May, when in reality, he's a stalking horse.

Is it looking like the Brexit you expected/hoped for Squirrel?


I can't remember where we all got to on our conversations a couple of years ago (drowned out by the U.S. threads lol), but my view (as a leave voter) has always been that we never actually be allowed to leave; either by the EU or the corporates (essentially the same thing).

All I see playing out now is the inevitable. Just as all the other 'no' votes that happened in the EU over the last 15 years. It can't be accepted.

The resistance to Brexit has actually caused more damage than the idea of Brexit itself. It's certainly not what I hoped for, but very much what I expected.

It's really interesting to see it play out, but it's clear there is no point voting. It's pseudo democracy.

What has suprised me over the last couple of year is it sheer level of vitriol and bigotry spewing from some self proclaimed liberals; simply because they didn't get their way.

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Reply #38 posted 07/12/18 8:09am

maplenpg

SquirrelMeat said:

maplenpg said:

SquirrelMeat said: Is it looking like the Brexit you expected/hoped for Squirrel?


I can't remember where we all got to on our conversations a couple of years ago (drowned out by the U.S. threads lol), but my view (as a leave voter) has always been that we never actually be allowed to leave; either by the EU or the corporates (essentially the same thing).

All I see playing out now is the inevitable. Just as all the other 'no' votes that happened in the EU over the last 15 years. It can't be accepted.

The resistance to Brexit has actually caused more damage than the idea of Brexit itself. It's certainly not what I hoped for, but very much what I expected.

It's really interesting to see it play out, but it's clear there is no point voting. It's pseudo democracy.

What has suprised me over the last couple of year is it sheer level of vitriol and bigotry spewing from some self proclaimed liberals; simply because they didn't get their way.

Thanks Squirrel. I completely agree with the bold.


I disagree that there is/was no point voting though. If nothing else, the word austerity seems to have been dropped from the Tory vocabulary. No way they can keep up with that rhetoric whilst finding billions for Brexit from the magic money tree.



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Reply #39 posted 07/12/18 8:27am

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The UK gov predict that Brexit will be so disasterous that they are actually making plans to stockpile food and medicines (!), and yet they insist on carrying on with it. Imagine any government actually planning to do these things because they know their own policy is catastrophic. It's beyond ridiculous. Two years after the vote, and they've finally announced what they're going to ask for - and they and everybody else knows that it's already something that the EU have said is impossible. Fucking idiots.

Still, blue passports, Agincourt and all that.

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Reply #40 posted 07/18/18 5:56pm

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Lianachan said:

The UK gov predict that Brexit will be so disasterous that they are actually making plans to stockpile food and medicines (!), and yet they insist on carrying on with it. Imagine any government actually planning to do these things because they know their own policy is catastrophic. It's beyond ridiculous. Two years after the vote, and they've finally announced what they're going to ask for - and they and everybody else knows that it's already something that the EU have said is impossible. Fucking idiots.

Still, blue passports, Agincourt and all that.

[Edited 7/12/18 8:28am]


Whether we are leavers or remainers, I think we all agree that the Government (and the whole of Parliament) couldn't have fucked it up anymore if they tried.

If it wasn't so serious, you'd have laughed if someone told you in 2016 that 2 years later the Government would be still arguing their opening position.

The Tories are tearing themselves apart, and Labour will be next if it falls to them.

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Reply #41 posted 07/19/18 1:31am

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SquirrelMeat said:

Lianachan said:

The UK gov predict that Brexit will be so disasterous that they are actually making plans to stockpile food and medicines (!), and yet they insist on carrying on with it. Imagine any government actually planning to do these things because they know their own policy is catastrophic. It's beyond ridiculous. Two years after the vote, and they've finally announced what they're going to ask for - and they and everybody else knows that it's already something that the EU have said is impossible. Fucking idiots.

Still, blue passports, Agincourt and all that.

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Whether we are leavers or remainers, I think we all agree that the Government (and the whole of Parliament) couldn't have fucked it up anymore if they tried.

If it wasn't so serious, you'd have laughed if someone told you in 2016 that 2 years later the Government would be still arguing their opening position.

The Tories are tearing themselves apart, and Labour will be next if it falls to them.



Yup, agree with all of that!

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