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Thread started 03/10/18 7:42am

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New discrimination: Wealth-based discrimination

If you have money you can afford bail but if you don't have money you can't afford bail? Wealth-based discrimination!! It's not fair that you can afford things but I can't, discrimination. STOP! The more money you have the better options you have!

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A federal judge in Houston has overturned the county’s bail system for people charged with low-level crimes after finding that it disproportionately affected indigent residents and violated the Constitution.

The judge, Lee H. Rosenthal of Federal District Court, ordered Harris County to stop keeping people who have been arrested on misdemeanor charges in jail because they cannot pay bail.

The ruling, part of a civil rights lawsuit against the county, came Friday in a case that began when a woman was arrested on a charge of driving without a license and spent more than two days in jail because she could not post $2,500 in bail.

Judge Rosenthal wrote in the ruling, “Harris County’s policy is to detain indigent misdemeanor defendants before trial, violating equal protection rights against wealth-based discrimination and violating due process protections against pretrial detention.” She cited statistics showing that 40 percent of people arrested on misdemeanor charges in the county had been detained until their cases were resolved.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/29/us/judge-strikes-down-harris-county-bail-system.html

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Reply #1 posted 03/10/18 9:13am

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I wonder if this 'new' form of discrimination will catch on.... hmmm

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Reply #2 posted 03/10/18 9:24am

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I think our system of fines is not set up correctly. If I get a $300 speeding ticket that IS going to have a much higher impact on my life than it would for someone that has more money. For me it is a major burden, for others, it is a minor annoyance, for others, it would be devastating.

For some a $1000 bail is (even with a 10% bond) would take a few days to get together...for others they could pay it out of their pocket.

So I think there is room to address the system to make sure it is more fair.

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Reply #3 posted 03/10/18 9:28am

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deebee said:

I wonder if this 'new' form of discrimination will catch on.... hmmm

poverty in the US is still much better than in many other places. The fact that there is bread and cheese for people to line up for is better that how many others have it.

this idea of white privilege is hard to see for some... but so is developed nation privilege.

(but that is not at all to be taken as we could not do better... we can. But Developed Nation Privilege is every much a thing as any other "class-based" Privilege.

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Reply #4 posted 03/10/18 12:48pm

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Shame on u./

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Reply #5 posted 03/10/18 12:57pm

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Wealthy or poor, it doesn’t make sense to keep people in jail for things like driving without a license, when they can be fined, free, and given time to pay that fine. It would cost taxpayers money to keep them in jail just for that.

They will still have to pay a fine regardless if they have the bail money or not. Forcing them to pay bail is just another way of sucking people dry to fill a city’s pockets. Bringing in dollars for cities, is one of the pressures/tactics heads of police depts. and their superiors, put on police officers.
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Reply #6 posted 03/10/18 12:59pm

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Unless someone is violent or a rapist.

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Reply #7 posted 03/10/18 5:16pm

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Don't speed. Stay out of trouble!!

People this is insane thinking. What next? Poor people allowed a high end attourney and not the public defender because of Wealth-based Discrimination. If you have more money you have more options and that is how the world should work. You reward people who are good with savings and do right thing and people that spend all money on booze, cigs and overpriced goods they don't need get punished if they break the law.

Best advice. Stay out of damn trouble and don't break the law.

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Reply #8 posted 03/10/18 5:23pm

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2elijah said:

Wealthy or poor, it doesn’t make sense to keep people in jail for things like driving without a license, when they can be fined, free, and given time to pay that fine. It would cost taxpayers money to keep them in jail just for that. They will still have to pay a fine regardless if they have the bail money or not. Forcing them to pay bail is just another way of sucking people dry to fill a city’s pockets. Bringing in dollars for cities, is one of the pressures/tactics heads of police depts. and their superiors, put on police officers.

I think if you set the fines too low you would see a huge spike in people driving without a license (ie insert the crime here) and zero insurance/resposibility. These laws also protect as they discourage would be criminal.

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Reply #9 posted 03/10/18 5:34pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Unless someone is violent or a rapist.

or says something you do not like

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Reply #10 posted 03/10/18 7:02pm

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If you have money you can afford bail but if you don't have money you can't afford bail? Wealth-based discrimination!! It's not fair that you can afford things but I can't, discrimination. STOP! The more money you have the better options you have!

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A federal judge in Houston has overturned the county’s bail system for people charged with low-level crimes after finding that it disproportionately affected indigent residents and violated the Constitution.

The judge, Lee H. Rosenthal of Federal District Court, ordered Harris County to stop keeping people who have been arrested on misdemeanor charges in jail because they cannot pay bail.

The ruling, part of a civil rights lawsuit against the county, came Friday in a case that began when a woman was arrested on a charge of driving without a license and spent more than two days in jail because she could not post $2,500 in bail.

Judge Rosenthal wrote in the ruling, “Harris County’s policy is to detain indigent misdemeanor defendants before trial, violating equal protection rights against wealth-based discrimination and violating due process protections against pretrial detention.” She cited statistics showing that 40 percent of people arrested on misdemeanor charges in the county had been detained until their cases were resolved.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/29/us/judge-strikes-down-harris-county-bail-system.html


Furry, your title says Weath.

And how is this new? Standard Operating Procedure for all of the history of humanity anywhere, anytime. Still a good topic.

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Reply #11 posted 03/10/18 7:30pm

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Kalief Browder spent years in jail because he couldn't afford bail for allegedly stealing a backpack.
Contrast that with Robert H. Richards IV, heir to the DuPont family, who did not spend a single day in jail as his sentence was suspended after he was convicted of raping his 3yr old daughter.

Wealth means that a poor kid accused of petty theft goes to jail,
but a convicted child rapist walks free.

That is messed up.




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Reply #12 posted 03/10/18 7:40pm

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poppys said:


Furry, your title says Weath.

And how is this new? Standard Operating Procedure for all of the history of humanity anywhere, anytime. Still a good topic.

It was a late night poppy. No sleep until 4am.

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Reply #13 posted 03/10/18 10:18pm

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SuperFurryAnimal said:



2elijah said:


Wealthy or poor, it doesn’t make sense to keep people in jail for things like driving without a license, when they can be fined, free, and given time to pay that fine. It would cost taxpayers money to keep them in jail just for that. They will still have to pay a fine regardless if they have the bail money or not. Forcing them to pay bail is just another way of sucking people dry to fill a city’s pockets. Bringing in dollars for cities, is one of the pressures/tactics heads of police depts. and their superiors, put on police officers.


I think if you set the fines too low you would see a huge spike in people driving without a license (ie insert the crime here) and zero insurance/resposibility. These laws also protect as they discourage would be criminal.


The point is, putting people in jail who didn’t harm anyone or didn’t commit a major crime, then setting high bail they can’t afford, as though they killed someone, then keeping them locked up because they can’t pay bail, still cost taxpayers money.

Imposing a fine instead of arresting them or making people do community service is a better option. When it all boils down to it, it’s all about these cities’ greed. They’d have more space in jails for harsh criminals, less overcrowding if better options were in place for what is considered a lesser crime.
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Reply #14 posted 03/10/18 11:28pm

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Its like there are 2 members of ICE trolling in here.

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Reply #15 posted 03/11/18 6:17am

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Jeez, I thought this thread was about the 'newness' of wealth-based discrimination (hence my reply above). Now I realise it was about how keeping some poor woman in jail because she can't afford to post bail is just peachy, 'cos that's the way of the world. What twaddle. I do hope it is trolling, as it's somewhat tragic to see such bovine sentiment expressed out loud, if it's not.

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Reply #16 posted 03/11/18 8:37am

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lazycrockett said:

Its like there are 2 members of ICE trolling in here.

your post is trolling. but it is okay. But be courageous and name names if you are going to make up lies about people at least do that.

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Reply #17 posted 03/11/18 9:26am

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Higher fines stop people from trying to break the law. That is my point. I even push for higher fines for littering otherwise people just throw trash all over the community. Littering should be a $1000 fine. America would look spotless.
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Reply #18 posted 03/11/18 9:38am

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

Higher fines stop people from trying to break the law. That is my point. I even push for higher fines for littering otherwise people just throw trash all over the community. Littering should be a $1000 fine. America would look spotless.

I am not sure if that is true. And Like I said for some $1000 might as well be $10,000 and for others, it would be an annoyance.

there ought to be a way to make sure the punishment fits the crime/ offense AND is balanced to that person's situation.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #19 posted 03/11/18 9:46am

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What I believe, example littering, when they put up signs that littering fine is hefty and enforce you will find those areas are spotless. I believe often people don't know the fine for crime until it is too late and they are in court.
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Reply #20 posted 03/11/18 9:54am

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

What I believe, example littering, when they put up signs that littering fine is hefty and enforce you will find those areas are spotless. I believe often people don't know the fine for crime until it is too late and they are in court.

if you litter you should have to spend a day picking up trash....

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #21 posted 03/11/18 9:58am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



SuperFurryAnimal said:


What I believe, example littering, when they put up signs that littering fine is hefty and enforce you will find those areas are spotless. I believe often people don't know the fine for crime until it is too late and they are in court.



if you litter you should have to spend a day picking up trash....



What about people in a wheelchair or disability? I believe also people would view this as a form of slavery.
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Reply #22 posted 03/11/18 10:04am

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

if you litter you should have to spend a day picking up trash....

What about people in a wheelchair or disability? I believe also people would view this as a form of slavery.

LOL what? What about people with no money? is taking money by force any better?

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Reply #23 posted 03/11/18 10:30am

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Only, here's your picker and trash bags, start picking. You have 5 months.

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Reply #24 posted 03/11/18 10:35am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



SuperFurryAnimal said:


OnlyNDaUsa said:




if you litter you should have to spend a day picking up trash....



What about people in a wheelchair or disability? I believe also people would view this as a form of slavery.


LOL what? What about people with no money? is taking money by force any better?



I see your point. Could have an option. Pay or do service. Pay would go workers because can't catch everyone.
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Reply #25 posted 03/11/18 10:44am

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The rich are enemies.

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Reply #26 posted 03/11/18 10:51am

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2freaky4church1 said:

The rich are enemies.

can you make up your mind? you claim to be for freedom but you are not....

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Reply #27 posted 03/11/18 10:53am

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Once again, I'm for justice. Sheesh.

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Reply #28 posted 03/11/18 10:56am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Once again, I'm for justice. Sheesh.

and to you, it is not just for a person to keep the money they've earned?

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Reply #29 posted 03/11/18 10:58am

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What does earned even mean? who earns a billion dollars?

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