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Thread started 02/12/18 9:31am

ThatWhiteDude

Carnival is an excuse for racists and it's an issue we should talk about.

I just read an interesting article from VICE Germany, where they talk about the racism of carnival. There's a local community in Bayern, Germany and they're hunting a bear, a jew and a black man thru the streets.

The bear symbolises spring time and the jew and the black the "exotic" and "unknown." They even had racial slurs on their website until people complained about it.

But this is not all, let's talk about the racist costumes people wear on carnival. I always found it strange when I saw white people wearing native american costumes. Not only do they look ridiculous, it's foremost racist as hell. I saw white people painting their faces black and wearing leopard skin and a bone chain around the neck, representing black people as canibals.

Jews are getting shit too, one guy said that soccer teams should get jewish strikers, because you#re not alowed to pursue them anymore.

Now, I'm talking about cases that happened in germany, but I am pretty sure it happens all around the globe. And I am aware that some people might say: "Dude, you're spoiling the fun." Hell, yeah I do, because displaying racism is not funny at all. It's disgusting and disturbing that no one does anything about it.

White people representing stereotypes of blacks, native american people, jews, mexicans etc. is not funny. It's an issue that's getting ignored. If I was black or native american, I'd rock a costume that makes whites feel uncomfortable, let's how that would go.

Racists use Carnival as an excuse to wear racist costumes and they should be called out.

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Indian people are not costumes

I am not against carnival, it can be fun, but I think some "costumes" should be banned, that's all.

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can you explain what makes each image you posted 'racist'? I don't think that wouldbe the correct word for these though.

Isn't the last one 'Mexican'? That isn't how Indigenous Natives of Mexica dressed, that his how the Spanish dressed.

Would it be considered racist when anglo/wasp white boys wearing Roman/Italian/Greek togas getting sloppy drunk?

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Reply #2 posted 02/12/18 10:02am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

can you explain what makes each image you posted 'racist'? I don't think that wouldbe the correct word for these though.

Isn't the last one 'Mexican'? That isn't how Indigenous Natives of Mexica dressed, that his how the Spanish dressed.

The first image shows a white man painting his face black. That is racist. And native american people often complain about white people dressing this way, it's representing stereotypes of certain people, they are not okay with it.

Yes it's mexican, or did you want to ask "NOT" mexican?

Look, I often heard native americans, black people and mexicans complain about it. And if these people say it's offensive, we should just put a stop on it. That's all I'm saying.

http://www.wweek.com/culture/2017/09/25/its-almost-october-which-means-we-need-to-talk-about-racist-halloween-costumes-again/

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ThatWhiteDude said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

can you explain what makes each image you posted 'racist'? I don't think that wouldbe the correct word for these though.

Isn't the last one 'Mexican'? That isn't how Indigenous Natives of Mexica dressed, that his how the Spanish dressed.

The first image shows a white man painting his face black. That is racist. And indian people often complain about white people dressing this way, it's representing stereotypes of certain people, they are not okay with it.

Yes it's mexican, or did you want to ask "NOT" mexican?

http://www.wweek.com/culture/2017/09/25/its-almost-october-which-means-we-need-to-talk-about-racist-halloween-costumes-again/

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1 is that a particular African ethnic group? Or is it New Guinea? Is that from Louisianna?

Because many of these groups wear full make up with the ceremonial garb. Certain African groups like the Ono and the Fulani actually put on white face makeup and the men of the tribe wear light brown make up

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2. Well I know the headdress is very symbolic and it tied to a chieftan. Women did not wear them.

But the jewelery is not an issue. Pharrel also wore native garb in Elle Maga Northern Native and I think Columbian in the second picture. Pharrell so looks part Native though. The Victoria Secret group apologized for the use of the headress. If anything, get a Native American female model, present Native beauty through authentic Native Americans.

3. I meant 'isn't the last one Mexican' That still isn't how indigenous Natives/Dine Mohawk Hopi Aztec dressed. That is how the European Spanish dressed, and the Chicano and assimilated Mexican adopted the style.

Mexicans sell those hats to tourists.

4. Prof Griff and his wife who are not of the ethnic group whose clothes they are wearing for their wedding... should this be allowed

5. Prince had Mayte wear a burka in a video, with the significance of it, would that be racist?

6. Should anyone of non Egyptian background(including Arabs) wear ancient Egyptian garb to sell albums or go to costume parties?

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ThatWhiteDude said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

can you explain what makes each image you posted 'racist'? I don't think that wouldbe the correct word for these though.

Isn't the last one 'Mexican'? That isn't how Indigenous Natives of Mexica dressed, that his how the Spanish dressed.

The first image shows a white man painting his face black. That is racist. And indian people often complain about white people dressing this way, it's representing stereotypes of certain people, they are not okay with it.

Yes it's mexican, or did you want to ask "NOT" mexican?

Look, I often heard indians, black people and mexicans complain about it. And if these people say it's offensive, we should just put a stop on it. That's all I'm saying.

http://www.wweek.com/culture/2017/09/25/its-almost-october-which-means-we-need-to-talk-about-racist-halloween-costumes-again/

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You have to be a lot more careful than this before you start throwing around accusations of racism.

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Firstly, the use of the term "Indian" when referring to Indigenous or Native Americans (Or, even better, by their specific Nation's name) is considered racist by many Native Americans. This incorrect colonial name is probably more upsetting to many than people dressing up for Halloween.

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Re the people with rainbow tee shirts, rainbow beanies and matching sombreros - You need to look at the history of the hat and, perhaps, consider that it is much more likely that they are showing their sexual orientation than seeking to mock the Mexicans.

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Blackface - Yes - Not appropriate.

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New Orleans Mardi Gras

African American intergrate Native-American/Aztec traditional garb

paint their faces black with other paint designs

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IanRG said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

The first image shows a white man painting his face black. That is racist. And indian people often complain about white people dressing this way, it's representing stereotypes of certain people, they are not okay with it.

Yes it's mexican, or did you want to ask "NOT" mexican?

Look, I often heard indians, black people and mexicans complain about it. And if these people say it's offensive, we should just put a stop on it. That's all I'm saying.

http://www.wweek.com/culture/2017/09/25/its-almost-october-which-means-we-need-to-talk-about-racist-halloween-costumes-again/

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You have to be a lot more careful than this before you start throwing around accusations of racism.

.

Firstly, the use of the term "Indian" when referring to Indigenous or Native Americans (Or, even better, by their specific Nation's name) is considered racist by many Native Americans. This incorrect colonial name is probably more upsetting to many than people dressing up for Halloween.

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Re the people with rainbow tee shirts, rainbow beanies and matching sombreros - You need to look at the history of the hat and, perhaps, consider that it is much more likely that they are showing their sexual orientation than seeking to mock the Mexicans.

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Blackface - Yes - Not appropriate.

I didn't know that this is considered racist. I'm gonna fix it.

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IanRG

OldFriends4Sale said:

New Orleans Mardi Gras

African American intergrate Native-American/Aztec traditional garb

paint their faces black with other paint designs

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But a white person using blackface is racist because of its history in the entertainment industry.

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IanRG said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

The first image shows a white man painting his face black. That is racist. And native american people often complain about white people dressing this way, it's representing stereotypes of certain people, they are not okay with it.

Yes it's mexican, or did you want to ask "NOT" mexican?

Look, I often heard native americans, black people and mexicans complain about it. And if these people say it's offensive, we should just put a stop on it. That's all I'm saying.

http://www.wweek.com/culture/2017/09/25/its-almost-october-which-means-we-need-to-talk-about-racist-halloween-costumes-again/

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You have to be a lot more careful than this before you start throwing around accusations of racism.

.

Firstly, the use of the term "Indian" when referring to Indigenous or Native Americans (Or, even better, by their specific Nation's name) is considered racist by many Native Americans. This incorrect colonial name is probably more upsetting to many than people dressing up for Halloween.

.

Re the people with rainbow tee shirts, rainbow beanies and matching sombreros - You need to look at the history of the hat and, perhaps, consider that it is much more likely that they are showing their sexual orientation than seeking to mock the Mexicans.

.

Blackface - Yes - Not appropriate.

"Like books and BLACK LIVES, Albums still MATTER."
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IanRG said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

New Orleans Mardi Gras

African American intergrate Native-American/Aztec traditional garb

paint their faces black with other paint designs

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But a white person using blackface is racist because of its history in the entertainment industry.

Of course, but I still think there needs to not be a knee jerk reaction to everything

I have a problem with people always trying to rile of black folk and have them sensitive to everything without thought, just reaction.

But are those even African tribes in the picture, because even African and New Guinea groups used black face paint

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how would Native Americans view African American 'going red face' and using their imagery

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should Italians and Greeks take issue to white boys running around campus drunk in togas? probably... lol

Or the use of Greek Fraternaties and Sororities ...

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like is this guy being racist for being Mr T?

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haha. this thred is sjw territory. Nothing racist about it. That face painting comes from Africa.

The other pics are not related. Lock this now.

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Reply #12 posted 02/12/18 11:05am

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haha. this thred is sjw territory. Nothing racist about it. That face painting comes from Africa.

The other pics are not related. Lock this now.

You mean black facing? Are you serious? That is racist. We can discuss about the rest I posted, but black facing is racist.

I don't know why african people paint their faces white, but it's probably not to mock white people. While black facing is exactly that.

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Reply #13 posted 02/12/18 11:07am

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OldFriends4Sale said:

IanRG said:

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But a white person using blackface is racist because of its history in the entertainment industry.

Of course, but I still think there needs to not be a knee jerk reaction to everything

I have a problem with people always trying to rile of black folk and have them sensitive to everything without thought, just reaction.

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how would Native Americans view African American 'going red face' and using their imagery

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like is this guy being racist for being Mr T?

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Probably not but only because he is dressing up to look like a specific identifiable person, not a caricature of a whole people (arguably Mr T was playing a caricature, so it is complicated)

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OfS You actually made some good points about the other stuff, but I'd still say black facing should be banned from carnivals. However, if native americans, and I heard it from a lot, find it offensive if white people wear these costumes, it should be banned too.

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Also now African cultures/nationalities are telling African-Americans to stop appropriating their culture

what I find racist is when someone like Chadwick is cast to play someone like Thurgood Marshal

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ThatWhiteDude said:

2freaky4church1 said:

haha. this thred is sjw territory. Nothing racist about it. That face painting comes from Africa.

The other pics are not related. Lock this now.

You mean black facing? Are you serious? That is racist. We can discuss about the rest I posted, but black facing is racist.

I don't know why african people paint their faces white, but it's probably not to mock white people. While black facing is exactly that.

how do you know. You should research it. The groups that do tend to be close to the Eastern/North parts of Africa, maybe they started doing it after meeting pale people

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this thred is sjw territory.

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What does "sjw territory" mean?

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OfS You actually made some good points about the other stuff, but I'd still say black facing should be banned from carnivals. However, if native americans, and I heard it from a lot, find it offensive if white people wear these costumes, it should be banned too.

Yeah, people should just stay away from black face

but what about black folk wearing the native american garb?

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OldFriends4Sale said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

You mean black facing? Are you serious? That is racist. We can discuss about the rest I posted, but black facing is racist.

I don't know why african people paint their faces white, but it's probably not to mock white people. While black facing is exactly that.

how do you know. You should research it. The groups that do tend to be close to the Eastern/North parts of Africa, maybe they started doing it after meeting pale people

Just looked it up, from what I read, it's done for spiritual reasons.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

OfS You actually made some good points about the other stuff, but I'd still say black facing should be banned from carnivals. However, if native americans, and I heard it from a lot, find it offensive if white people wear these costumes, it should be banned too.

Yeah, people should just stay away from black face

but what about black folk wearing the native american garb?

There was a thread on here some months ago where native americans complained about black people using their garb.

Somethin' like "Black people please stop apropriating our culture". I don't remember exactly what the title was.

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Research it? I'm the man on research.

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OldFriends4Sale said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

OfS You actually made some good points about the other stuff, but I'd still say black facing should be banned from carnivals. However, if native americans, and I heard it from a lot, find it offensive if white people wear these costumes, it should be banned too.

Yeah, people should just stay away from black face

but what about black folk wearing the native american garb?


No black face.
No white face.

No yellow face.
No brown face.
No red face.

No nothing! no no no!

The only face paintings that should be OR are green face [Hulk] and blue face [Smurfs].

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Tony is anti African then.

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TonyVanDam said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Yeah, people should just stay away from black face

but what about black folk wearing the native american garb?


No black face.
No white face.

No yellow face.
No brown face.
No red face.

No nothing! no no no!

The only face paintings that should be OR are green face [Hulk] and blue face [Smurfs].

what about if it is connection to a sports team?

or something goulish for Halloween?

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2freaky4church1 said:

Tony is anti African then.


eek Bullshit! no no no!

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Also now African cultures/nationalities are telling African-Americans to stop appropriating their culture



what I find racist is when someone like Chadwick is cast to play someone like Thurgood Marshal





Why ? Chadwick is the go to guy for any movie these days about real life Black person- Jackie Robinson, James Brown, and now Thurgood Marshall
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OldFriends4Sale said:

TonyVanDam said:


No black face.
No white face.

No yellow face.
No brown face.
No red face.

No nothing! no no no!

The only face paintings that should be OR are green face [Hulk] and blue face [Smurfs].

what about if it is connection to a sports team?

or something goulish for Halloween?


I was implying [in good humor] that people should not be mocked for their skin color. Just like I would not be amused seen idiot white university students at a party using black face to mock black folks, I would not be amused seeing idiot black individuals using white faces to mock white folks neither. But that's just me of course.

And lets not forget that Hollywood has a history of using "faces":

http://racist-stereotypes.com/

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OldFriends4Sale said:

TonyVanDam said:


No black face.
No white face.

No yellow face.
No brown face.
No red face.

No nothing! no no no!

The only face paintings that should be OR are green face [Hulk] and blue face [Smurfs].

what about if it is connection to a sports team?

or something goulish for Halloween?


I think wearing Zombie face is fair game. Anyone can be a zombie.

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That's classist.

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