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Lianachan

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Early Briton had dark skin

DNA analysis shows that an early Briton had dark skin.


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Reply #1 posted 02/07/18 3:44am

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Does this suggest that the more evolved the lighter the skin? hmmm

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Reply #2 posted 02/07/18 4:08am

Dasein

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Does this suggest that the more evolved the lighter the skin? hmmm


I know you're joking (or, at least I hope you are), but that is ridiculous.

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Reply #3 posted 02/07/18 4:10am

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Interesting. Cheddar Man.

Everyone that has blue eyes is directly related to the first person born with blue eyes. It's a mutation, like white tigers. We are more related than we think. All the people in the world are something like 32nd cousins to each other, I did a research paper on this once. There was a good New Yorker article on it years ago.



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Reply #4 posted 02/07/18 5:10am

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it isn't hard to see that, there are still Brits with 'dark' skin.
The thing to weed out is 'racial political ideas of 'dark' skin'

People read 'dark' skin and automatically say 'African, dark brown, etc'

It is like when people use the term 'black' to describe people from Australia or New Guinea ie Black People With Blonde Hair' and that 'black' is/can be mistaken in connection to African-Americans or Africans

For Britons to have 'dark(er)' skin tones is still common in Briton, and Ireland, and France, and Norway...

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This is another, yet another, example of why race ie white black red yellow is a farce and not a biological truth, it's against nature

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Reply #5 posted 02/07/18 7:50am

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White people are a mistake.

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Reply #6 posted 02/07/18 8:31am

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2freaky4church1 said:

White people are a mistake.

didja see him?

BBIOgXX.img?h=422&w=624&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f&x=1768&y=1128
The Associated Press



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Reply #7 posted 02/07/18 9:58am

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Kinda scary.

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Reply #8 posted 02/07/18 10:02am

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poppys said:

2freaky4church1 said:

White people are a mistake.

didja see him?

BBIOgXX.img?h=422&w=624&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f&x=1768&y=1128
The Associated Press



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One still sees Britons in the bus queue with this expression - and, indeed, this hairstyle - today. nod

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Reply #9 posted 02/07/18 11:18am

poppys

deebee said:

poppys said:

didja see him?

BBIOgXX.img?h=422&w=624&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f&x=1768&y=1128
The Associated Press



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One still sees Britons in the bus queue with this expression - and, indeed, this hairstyle - today. nod

nod was thinking, this looks like someone I know. Fair amount of blue-eyed black people here in NOLA too. Prehistoric Pharrellish?

See the source image


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Reply #10 posted 02/07/18 11:59am

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When I saw him on the newspaper this morning (from the distance) I thought - ‘why is Miles Davis in the newspaper?’
On closer inspection he looks nothing like Davis. But I agree with Deebee, that’s a popular haircut around here!
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Reply #11 posted 02/07/18 12:17pm

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Silvertongue7 said:

When I saw him on the newspaper this morning (from the distance) I thought - ‘why is Miles Davis in the newspaper?’
On closer inspection he looks nothing like Davis. But I agree with Deebee, that’s a popular haircut around here!

Here's what I don't get. I know they've been able to determine his skin colour and reconstruct his face from the skull but how do they know this was his haircut? And what about the farty bit of hair on his chin? Can they prove it was like that?
It never ceases to amaze me how cruel humans can be against fellow humans and animals, especially when in the pursuit of money and power.
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Reply #12 posted 02/07/18 12:37pm

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poppys said:

2freaky4church1 said:

White people are a mistake.

didja see him?

BBIOgXX.img?h=422&w=624&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f&x=1768&y=1128
The Associated Press



[Edited 2/7/18 8:33am]


Why does this remind me of Nai Palm from Hiatus Kayote hmmm

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Reply #13 posted 02/07/18 12:51pm

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maplenpg said:

Silvertongue7 said:

When I saw him on the newspaper this morning (from the distance) I thought - ‘why is Miles Davis in the newspaper?’
On closer inspection he looks nothing like Davis. But I agree with Deebee, that’s a popular haircut around here!

Here's what I don't get. I know they've been able to determine his skin colour and reconstruct his face from the skull but how do they know this was his haircut? And what about the farty bit of hair on his chin? Can they prove it was like that?

No idea...
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Reply #14 posted 02/07/18 12:55pm

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maplenpg said:

Silvertongue7 said:

When I saw him on the newspaper this morning (from the distance) I thought - ‘why is Miles Davis in the newspaper?’
On closer inspection he looks nothing like Davis. But I agree with Deebee, that’s a popular haircut around here!

Here's what I don't get. I know they've been able to determine his skin colour and reconstruct his face from the skull but how do they know this was his haircut? And what about the farty bit of hair on his chin? Can they prove it was like that?


DNA gives indications of skin, hair and eye colour and the skull enables facial reconstruction. Things like hair style, facial hair, etc, are purely guesswork. The way these are depicted can greatly influence people’s perception of the reconstruction, too.
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Reply #15 posted 02/07/18 1:17pm

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CherryMoon57 said:

poppys said:

didja see him?

BBIOgXX.img?h=422&w=624&m=6&q=60&o=f&l=f&x=1768&y=1128
The Associated Press



[Edited 2/7/18 8:33am]


Why does this remind me of Nai Palm from Hiatus Kayote hmmm


See the source image

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Reply #16 posted 02/07/18 1:32pm

IanRG

Lianachan said:

maplenpg said:


Here's what I don't get. I know they've been able to determine his skin colour and reconstruct his face from the skull but how do they know this was his haircut? And what about the farty bit of hair on his chin? Can they prove it was like that?


DNA gives indications of skin, hair and eye colour and the skull enables facial reconstruction. Things like hair style, facial hair, etc, are purely guesswork. The way these are depicted can greatly influence people’s perception of the reconstruction, too.
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Agreed, but even the facial reconstruction is in part based on conjecture and assumptions based on averages. And, whilst I dont doubt that skin tone would be darker, the depicted tone is also conjecture. Note the model looks darker than the graphic in the news article.
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Isn't this a bit of yeah, so what. A person is found to be darker than the average Pom today. This person was around within about 1000 years since the beginning of the current occupation of Britain and he probably came from the south. Even without the DNA, most would have assumed he would be darker. You also have to careful about basing this on one person. Imagine if the only evidence for an Brit was Idris Elba as seen in Thor and jumping to conclusion all Brits are dark skinned with gold eyes!
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Reply #17 posted 02/07/18 2:14pm

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IanRG said:

Lianachan said:



DNA gives indications of skin, hair and eye colour and the skull enables facial reconstruction. Things like hair style, facial hair, etc, are purely guesswork. The way these are depicted can greatly influence people’s perception of the reconstruction, too.
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Agreed, but even the facial reconstruction is in part based on conjecture and assumptions based on averages. And, whilst I dont doubt that skin tone would be darker, the depicted tone is also conjecture. Note the model looks darker than the graphic in the news article.
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Isn't this a bit of yeah, so what. A person is found to be darker than the average Pom today. This person was around within about 1000 years since the beginning of the current occupation of Britain and he probably came from the south. Even without the DNA, most would have assumed he would be darker. You also have to careful about basing this on one person. Imagine if the only evidence for an Brit was Idris Elba as seen in Thor and jumping to conclusion all Brits are dark skinned with gold eyes!


I’ve been involved in facial reconstructions and DNA analysis in a couple of projects, so am aware of the limitations of their usefulness and the assumptions that have to be made. Anybody claiming that early Britons were dark skinned based on this evidence is reaching too far. There’s nothing to say whether this guy is typical. I’ve not seen any mention of other useful techniques being used on these remains, either. DNA was previously extracted from one of his teeth, and if it was well enough preserved for that then it’s likely that oxygen isotope analysis could be undertaken. This would indicate where the individual lived as they were growing up. Other isotope analysis could tell us about his diet and movement during his life, from which much could be inferred. So this is cool, and undoubtedly great for annoying racists, but people shouldn’t read too much into it.
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Reply #18 posted 02/07/18 2:29pm

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This goes against the black nationalist theory that Europeans were white guys living in caves.

We just lightened as we evolved. I'm buttery and rarely tan. lol

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Reply #19 posted 02/07/18 2:40pm

poppys

Silvertongue7 said:

When I saw him on the newspaper this morning (from the distance) I thought - ‘why is Miles Davis in the newspaper?’ On closer inspection he looks nothing like Davis. But I agree with Deebee, that’s a popular haircut around here!

bone structure. cool

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Reply #20 posted 02/07/18 3:05pm

CherryMoon57

poppys said:

CherryMoon57 said:


Why does this remind me of Nai Palm from Hiatus Kayote hmmm


See the source image

Thanks, I see it now, it's the fringe! lol

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Reply #21 posted 02/07/18 6:05pm

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poppys said:

Interesting. Cheddar Man.

Everyone that has blue eyes is directly related to the first person born with blue eyes. It's a mutation, like white tigers. We are more related than we think. All the people in the world are something like 32nd cousins to each other, I did a research paper on this once. There was a good New Yorker article on it years ago.





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Interesting this topic. I came across these two vids today:


Dr. Keith Cheng

(Scroll to 1:25 mark)




Nina Jablonski


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Reply #22 posted 02/07/18 8:42pm

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Duh....
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Ah, it turns out there's quite a bit more to this than has been announced to the public so far.

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Lianachan said:

Ah, it turns out there's quite a bit more to this than has been announced to the public so far.

Well, don't keep us in suspense.....

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deebee said:

Lianachan said:

Ah, it turns out there's quite a bit more to this than has been announced to the public so far.

Well, don't keep us in suspense.....


Have to for now. At least until after the TV show has been on.

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My ancestors are the dinosaurs. I don't care about mortal humans news.

I think we can all collectively say.
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SuperFurryAnimal said:

My ancestors are the dinosaurs. I don't care about mortal humans news.

Is there immortal human news?

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2freaky4church1 said:

This goes against the black nationalist theory that Europeans were white guys living in caves.



We just lightened as we evolved. I'm buttery and rarely tan. lol


Early ‘humans’ lightened as they evolved, once they
travelled away from tropical temperatures, throughout the globe, into colder climates, and lived in colder climates for long periods of time, losing vitamin D and other minerals, nutrients and vitamins in their bodies, and depending on where they were living at the time. See Nina Jablonski and Dr. Cheng’s vid in this thread. Many people don’t like to hear or accept their kind of research or findings, because they’re not ready to accept it, because of lies they’ve been told about race throughput their lives.
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2elijah said:

2freaky4church1 said:

This goes against the black nationalist theory that Europeans were white guys living in caves.

We just lightened as we evolved. I'm buttery and rarely tan. lol

‘Humans’ lightened as they evolved depending on where they were living at the time, and the climate.

Lighten up? the sun? Sheryl Crow was wrong with her theory.

I think we can all collectively say.
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