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Reply #270 posted 02/12/18 1:02pm

OnlyNDaUsa

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Now, look - we can get all caught up in the "How many dossiers were there/Who paid for them/Did Trump sleep on the pee-stained bed or not?" questions. But it's good to snap back to reality every now and then and remember this one immutable fact:

The Russian government wanted Trump to win the presidency.

There is absolutely NO doubt about that. You know it, I know it, the American people know it.

So the BIG QUESTION is - Why?

Why did the Russians want Trump so desparately? Or, if it makes you feel better, why did they NOT want Hillary Clinton so desparately?

I think we'd all agree that Russian interests rarely if ever align with American interests. The Russians had an intense interest in a Trump victory. Whether Trump knew it or not. Whether Trump helped or not. While those are important things, always remember this:

The Russians have a plan that depended on a Trump presidency. And they got a Trump presidency.

We must be very, very alert. I have no doubt that whatever the Russian plan is, it is not good for the USofA.

that is not clear. they may have just wanted to cause problems for whoever won. to me they would rather have someone like hillary because they know she is not going to do jack about anything they do.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #271 posted 02/12/18 1:17pm

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So did Israel, so did Saudi Arabia.

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
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Reply #272 posted 02/12/18 1:50pm

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RodeoSchro said:

Now, look - we can get all caught up in the "How many dossiers were there/Who paid for them/Did Trump sleep on the pee-stained bed or not?" questions. But it's good to snap back to reality every now and then and remember this one immutable fact:

The Russian government wanted Trump to win the presidency.

There is absolutely NO doubt about that. You know it, I know it, the American people know it.

So the BIG QUESTION is - Why?

Why did the Russians want Trump so desparately? Or, if it makes you feel better, why did they NOT want Hillary Clinton so desparately?

I think we'd all agree that Russian interests rarely if ever align with American interests. The Russians had an intense interest in a Trump victory. Whether Trump knew it or not. Whether Trump helped or not. While those are important things, always remember this:

The Russians have a plan that depended on a Trump presidency. And they got a Trump presidency.

We must be very, very alert. I have no doubt that whatever the Russian plan is, it is not good for the USofA.

But what paln that would be?

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Reply #273 posted 02/12/18 2:38pm

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

benni said:


Regarding Carter Page "working for CIA", it is being said by some he was working undercover for the FBI. But Page, himself, has dispelled that rumor.


A theory gaining traction about Carter Page in some quarters of the Web is that the former Trump campaign adviser worked as an undercover FBI agent to help bust a Russian spy ring operating in New York City in 2013.

The theory goes that Page, an energy consultant, worked undercover for the FBI to bug a covert Kremlin agent.

But Page dispelled that speculation on Tuesday, telling The Daily Caller News Foundation that he “never did anything of that variety.”

Page is in the national spotlight because of a four-page memo released on Friday that alleges the FBI and Justice Department withheld information about the infamous Steele dossier in order to obtain a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) warrant to spy on the ex-Trump associate in October 2016.

lol! You do know how the CIA works? What we do know is he consulted with CIA and FBI many times over the years.


Funniest thing is reading your posts in the voice of Dale Gribble. Except he's not as insane. You know he's satire and meant to be laughed at, right? You're like the real thing.

or...

Is that what THEY WANT ME TO THINK, Rusty Shackleford. If that IS your real name.

*pocket sand*

[Edited 2/12/18 14:39pm]

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Reply #274 posted 02/12/18 3:10pm

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herb4 said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

lol! You do know how the CIA works? What we do know is he consulted with CIA and FBI many times over the years.


Funniest thing is reading your posts in the voice of Dale Gribble. Except he's not as insane. You know he's satire and meant to be laughed at, right? You're like the real thing.

or...

Is that what THEY WANT ME TO THINK, Rusty Shackleford. If that IS your real name.

*pocket sand*

[Edited 2/12/18 14:39pm]

I have no beef with you herb and can see that you often bring political viewpoints to the forum. I got angry because others troll me and one keeps calling me crazy. He doesn't post anything here but insults. It did feel like others piled on and I got upset. I can get attacked on here but can't attack back, like this, without getting kicked off the board. Some are satirical posts.

I think we can all collectively say.
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Reply #275 posted 02/13/18 6:12am

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RodeoSchro said:

Now, look - we can get all caught up in the "How many dossiers were there/Who paid for them/Did Trump sleep on the pee-stained bed or not?" questions. But it's good to snap back to reality every now and then and remember this one immutable fact:

The Russian government wanted Trump to win the presidency.

There is absolutely NO doubt about that. You know it, I know it, the American people know it.

So the BIG QUESTION is - Why?

Why did the Russians want Trump so desparately? Or, if it makes you feel better, why did they NOT want Hillary Clinton so desparately?

I think we'd all agree that Russian interests rarely if ever align with American interests. The Russians had an intense interest in a Trump victory. Whether Trump knew it or not. Whether Trump helped or not. While those are important things, always remember this:

The Russians have a plan that depended on a Trump presidency. And they got a Trump presidency.

We must be very, very alert. I have no doubt that whatever the Russian plan is, it is not good for the USofA.

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On a very basic level, we all should be asking ourselves the same questions and praying that Mueller's investigation gets to the bottom of things. The partisan back and forth helps no one but Putin and his interest which are not in our best interest as a country.

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And not only finding answers for why, we must start implementing solutions to not only Russia but for any other country from interfering with our elections. Beside, republicans seem to be quite nonchalant about preventing this from happening again. They must remember that their guy just so happen to benefit from Russia involvement this time. Next time democrats could be the beneficiary of another nation's interest in a democrat president and congress. Just saying....

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Reply #276 posted 02/13/18 7:04am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

RodeoSchro said:

Now, look - we can get all caught up in the "How many dossiers were there/Who paid for them/Did Trump sleep on the pee-stained bed or not?" questions. But it's good to snap back to reality every now and then and remember this one immutable fact:

The Russian government wanted Trump to win the presidency.

There is absolutely NO doubt about that. You know it, I know it, the American people know it.

So the BIG QUESTION is - Why?

Why did the Russians want Trump so desparately? Or, if it makes you feel better, why did they NOT want Hillary Clinton so desparately?

I think we'd all agree that Russian interests rarely if ever align with American interests. The Russians had an intense interest in a Trump victory. Whether Trump knew it or not. Whether Trump helped or not. While those are important things, always remember this:

The Russians have a plan that depended on a Trump presidency. And they got a Trump presidency.

We must be very, very alert. I have no doubt that whatever the Russian plan is, it is not good for the USofA.

that is not clear. they may have just wanted to cause problems for whoever won. to me they would rather have someone like hillary because they know she is not going to do jack about anything they do.



It's as clear as the clearest window ever made. It's also been reported that Vladmir Putin hated Hillary Clinton. He sure wouldn't have hated her because she was going to leave Russia alone.

Have you figured out yet why Donald J. Trump - a man who threatened to destroy the entire GOP duringthe campaign - only changed one thing on the GOP platform...and that thing had to do with the Ukraine?

I'm sure you'll figure it out, if you haven't already!

Second Funkiest White Man in America

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Reply #277 posted 02/13/18 7:06am

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214 said:

RodeoSchro said:

Now, look - we can get all caught up in the "How many dossiers were there/Who paid for them/Did Trump sleep on the pee-stained bed or not?" questions. But it's good to snap back to reality every now and then and remember this one immutable fact:

The Russian government wanted Trump to win the presidency.

There is absolutely NO doubt about that. You know it, I know it, the American people know it.

So the BIG QUESTION is - Why?

Why did the Russians want Trump so desparately? Or, if it makes you feel better, why did they NOT want Hillary Clinton so desparately?

I think we'd all agree that Russian interests rarely if ever align with American interests. The Russians had an intense interest in a Trump victory. Whether Trump knew it or not. Whether Trump helped or not. While those are important things, always remember this:

The Russians have a plan that depended on a Trump presidency. And they got a Trump presidency.

We must be very, very alert. I have no doubt that whatever the Russian plan is, it is not good for the USofA.

But what paln that would be?



That, my friend, is the $64,000 question. My best guess is that Russian expansion via military invasion of neighboring countries is a part of their plan. And I have to believe that oil has some part of it, too. But I'm not nearly smart enough to figure it all out.

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Reply #278 posted 02/13/18 2:55pm

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

herb4 said:


Funniest thing is reading your posts in the voice of Dale Gribble. Except he's not as insane. You know he's satire and meant to be laughed at, right? You're like the real thing.

or...

Is that what THEY WANT ME TO THINK, Rusty Shackleford. If that IS your real name.

*pocket sand*

[Edited 2/12/18 14:39pm]

I have no beef with you herb and can see that you often bring political viewpoints to the forum. I got angry because others troll me and one keeps calling me crazy. He doesn't post anything here but insults. It did feel like others piled on and I got upset. I can get attacked on here but can't attack back, like this, without getting kicked off the board. Some are satirical posts.


That will lessen and wane as you post less and less complete and utter bullshit. Maybe lay off the bold large fonts too and just try to make a salient point that's not C&P'd from Bretibart or FOX or some shit. Be more thoughtful and concise and you won't get dogpiled on so much.

You do sort of come off as crazy a lot of the time and routinely ignore ignore direct questions put to you which makes you come off as a sounding board for Sean Hannity and talk radio more than any sort of real thinker. Instead of offering anything to chew on, you really DO sound like Dale Gribble, which I personally find hilarious, so I'm not sure why you're surprised that anyone would call you out for it.

I don't think you're insane, so much as you are grossly misinformed and utterly terrified of any sort of reality or information that conflicts with what seems to be your predetermined world view, and you seem to view news as some sort of battleground. You don't engage either. If Barrack Obama or Hillary Clinton had governed as Donald J. Trump has over the past year, I'd be the first one to admit I was ashamed of my vote.

You come off as defensive because you're too busy trying to rationalize the indefensible by distorting reality in a way that comes off mainly as you being too afraid to admit that you fucked up, are wrong, and that this president is a national disgrace and a total embarassment to everything that normal Americans hold decentn; by any rational standard.

You can still redeem yourself but you need to stop wallowing in the muck of right wing media and start arguing in good faith. Begin by ansering questions if you're going to waltz in here and shoot off not yours, but what amounts to someone else's mouth (since the things you post come from the am radio dial). You don't seem to have any opinions beyond those that are fed to you and no one here is interested in reading regurgitated bullshit we can hear from FOX or read on Drudge.

Facts are your friends and your president is a criminal. I'd stake my life on it.

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Reply #279 posted 02/13/18 3:16pm

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The directors of the CIA, FBI, and national intelligence all testified today that Russia interfered with the 2016 election, and Trump is still denying it.


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Reply #280 posted 02/13/18 3:18pm

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Herb, I wish you the best and thanks for the detailed analysis. Valentine's day is Friday. So don't forget to get your significant other something Friday. cool

I think we can all collectively say.
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Reply #281 posted 02/13/18 3:20pm

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benni said:

The directors of the CIA, FBI, and national intelligence all testified today that Russia interfered with the 2016 election, and Trump is still denying it.


Trump is denying collusion with them. Now it is gone from collusion to they interfered. That story is dead in the media. Bob found nothing.

I think we can all collectively say.
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Reply #282 posted 02/13/18 3:25pm

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benni said:

The directors of the CIA, FBI, and national intelligence all testified today that Russia interfered with the 2016 election, and Trump is still denying it.


Trump is denying collusion with them. Now it is gone from collusion to they interfered. That story is dead in the media. Bob found nothing.


No, Trump is denying that Russia interferred with the election. The story that Russia interferred in the election has been from the start. Those close to Trump are saying that he is refusing to believe that Russia interferred in the election because that would mean "he had help getting elected and he doesn't want to believe that" and also that he somehow thinks that Russia interferring means collusion and cannot separate the two.

The two are separate, except insofar as to whether, there was any collusion involved with Russia's interference. If no collusion is found (which we still don't know because we don't have the evidence from an active and ongoing investigation), it does not mean Russia didn't interfer in the election process. If collusion is found, it does not mean Russia didn't interfer in the election process. Regardless of what is found, Russia interferred in the election process.

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Reply #283 posted 02/13/18 3:28pm

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benni said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Trump is denying collusion with them. Now it is gone from collusion to they interfered. That story is dead in the media. Bob found nothing.


No, Trump is denying that Russia interferred with the election. The story that Russia interferred in the election has been from the start. Those close to Trump are saying that he is refusing to believe that Russia interferred in the election because that would mean "he had help getting elected and he doesn't want to believe that" and also that he somehow thinks that Russia interferring means collusion and cannot separate the two.

The two are separate, except insofar as to whether, there was any collusion involved with Russia's interference. If no collusion is found (which we still don't know because we don't have the evidence from an active and ongoing investigation), it does not mean Russia didn't interfer in the election process. If collusion is found, it does not mean Russia didn't interfer in the election process. Regardless of what is found, Russia interferred in the election process.

They have always used propaganda to interfere! Interfere as in hack computers? NO! Hillary Clinton campaign that paid off polls to make her look better than she was is what cost Clintons the election. INTERFERENCE!

I think we can all collectively say.
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Reply #284 posted 02/13/18 3:29pm

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They are also stating that Russia is interferring in the 2018 election process. That is the significance of Russia interferring in the 2016 election process, if nothing is done to stop them, then they will continue to interfer in our country's election of it's lawmakers and leaders. Trump is hurting the efforts to end this by denying that Russia interferred.

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Reply #285 posted 02/13/18 3:31pm

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benni said:


No, Trump is denying that Russia interferred with the election. The story that Russia interferred in the election has been from the start. Those close to Trump are saying that he is refusing to believe that Russia interferred in the election because that would mean "he had help getting elected and he doesn't want to believe that" and also that he somehow thinks that Russia interferring means collusion and cannot separate the two.

The two are separate, except insofar as to whether, there was any collusion involved with Russia's interference. If no collusion is found (which we still don't know because we don't have the evidence from an active and ongoing investigation), it does not mean Russia didn't interfer in the election process. If collusion is found, it does not mean Russia didn't interfer in the election process. Regardless of what is found, Russia interferred in the election process.

They have always used propaganda to interfere! Interfere as in hack computers? NO! Hillary Clinton campaign that paid off polls to make her look better than she was is what cost Clintons the election. INTERFERENCE!


No, intelligence communities state that Russians did hack computers. They hacked the DNC computers. Russia did use propaganda, which if you have studied the history of propaganda is an effective tool against citizens. Research Edward Bernays. He was the father of propaganda (and related to Freud so he had Freud's insight when he needed it).

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Reply #286 posted 02/13/18 3:31pm

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benni said:

They are also stating that Russia is interferring in the 2018 election process. That is the significance of Russia interferring in the 2016 election process, if nothing is done to stop them, then they will continue to interfer in our country's election of it's lawmakers and leaders. Trump is hurting the efforts to end this by denying that Russia interferred.

Hey Benni. ANY ORGER OUTSIDE OF THE USA SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO POST AN OPINION ON US POLITICS AS THAT IS NOW INTEREFENCE OF OUR ELECTION!!!! LOL

I think we can all collectively say.
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Reply #287 posted 02/13/18 3:36pm

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

benni said:

They are also stating that Russia is interferring in the 2018 election process. That is the significance of Russia interferring in the 2016 election process, if nothing is done to stop them, then they will continue to interfer in our country's election of it's lawmakers and leaders. Trump is hurting the efforts to end this by denying that Russia interferred.

Hey Benni. ANY ORGER OUTSIDE OF THE USA SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED TO POST AN OPINION ON US POLITICS AS THAT IS NOW INTEREFENCE OF OUR ELECTION!!!! LOL


lol - if you say so. However, that doesn't compare with Russia interferring in the election.

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Reply #288 posted 02/13/18 3:37pm

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No, intelligence communities state that Russians did hack computers. They hacked the DNC computers. Russia did use propaganda, which if you have studied the history of propaganda is an effective tool against citizens. Research Edward Bernays. He was the father of propaganda (and related to Freud so he had Freud's insight when he needed it).

So wikileaks are whistleblowers or leakers? Depends on who is being exposed.

I think we can all collectively say.
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Reply #289 posted 02/13/18 3:39pm

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Is that matted fur?

"My motherfucker's so cool sheep count him."
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Reply #290 posted 02/13/18 3:42pm

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

benni said:

No, intelligence communities state that Russians did hack computers. They hacked the DNC computers. Russia did use propaganda, which if you have studied the history of propaganda is an effective tool against citizens. Research Edward Bernays. He was the father of propaganda (and related to Freud so he had Freud's insight when he needed it).

So wikileaks are whistleblowers or leakers? Depends on who is being exposed.


No, it depends upon WHO gives that information to wikileaks (ie RUSSIA).

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Reply #291 posted 02/13/18 3:44pm

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benni said:

The directors of the CIA, FBI, and national intelligence all testified today that Russia interfered with the 2016 election, and Trump is still denying it.


Well, they did. Even most republicans acknowledge it. They just don't give a shit.

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Reply #292 posted 02/13/18 3:45pm

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Herb, I wish you the best and thanks for the detailed analysis. Valentine's day is Friday. So don't forget to get your significant other something Friday. cool


Um....Valentine's Day is tomorrow, dude. LOL. And I'm divorced. Better get crackin on that present if u r shooting for Friday, bro.

Holy shit.

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Reply #293 posted 02/13/18 3:46pm

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Glad to see everyone carrying on as normal lol

Hopefully Nunes constituents are embarrassed of him and vot his treasonous ass out of office.

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Reply #294 posted 02/13/18 3:49pm

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herb4 said:

benni said:

The directors of the CIA, FBI, and national intelligence all testified today that Russia interfered with the 2016 election, and Trump is still denying it.


Well, they did. Even most republicans acknowledge it. They just don't give a shit.

I think we can all collectively say.
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Reply #295 posted 02/13/18 3:51pm

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herb4 said:

Well, they did. Even most republicans acknowledge it. They just don't give a shit.


If it was being "rigged" in Clinton's favor, we would not be having this discussion right now. LOL


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Reply #296 posted 02/13/18 3:51pm

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"We expect Russia to continue using propaganda, social media, false-flag personas, sympathetic spokesmen and other means to influence, to try to build on its wide range of operations and exacerbate social and political fissures in the United States," Coats said at a hearing on worldwide threats. "There should be no doubt that Russia perceives its past efforts as successful and views the 2018 US midterm elections as a potential target for Russian influence operations."

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Reply #297 posted 02/13/18 3:55pm

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benni said:

"We expect Russia to continue using propaganda, social media, false-flag personas, sympathetic spokesmen and other means to influence, to try to build on its wide range of operations and exacerbate social and political fissures in the United States," Coats said at a hearing on worldwide threats. "There should be no doubt that Russia perceives its past efforts as successful and views the 2018 US midterm elections as a potential target for Russian influence operations."

We have never made it so easy for the USSR. A country full of blind sheeple, so easy. Might as well just build a wall around our entire borders and let them lead the world.

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Reply #298 posted 02/13/18 4:15pm

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Glad to see everyone carrying on as normal lol

Hopefully Nunes constituents are embarrassed of him and vot his treasonous ass out of office.

Oh, we're working on it. That treasonous piece of shit needs to be behind bars.

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
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