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TweetyV6

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Real Science: This will hopefully end the CO2=AGW=Climate Change hoax

Finally Henrik Svensmark has published his research into the real reason why climate changes.

As I have been saying all the time: Climate has been changing ever since the earth came into existance. It's is a natural phenomenon in which the human activities play no significant role.

No Svensmark has published the results of his multiple years research into understanding how clouds are formed from cosmic rays, the role of the sun and the position of the earth in the galaxy.


The hypothesis in a nutshell

  • Cosmic rays, high-energy particles raining down from exploded stars, knock electrons out of air molecules. This produces ions, that is, positive and negative molecules in the atmosphere.
  • The ions help aerosols – clusters of mainly sulphuric acid and water molecules – to form and become stable against evaporation. This process is called nucleation. The small aerosols need to grow nearly a million times in mass in order to have an effect on clouds.
  • The second role of ions is that they accelerate the growth of the small aerosols into cloud condensation nuclei – seeds on which liquid water droplets form to make clouds. The more ions the more aerosols become cloud condensation nuclei. It is this second property of ions which is the new result published in Nature Communications.
  • Low clouds made with liquid water droplets cool the Earth’s surface.
  • Variations in the Sun’s magnetic activity alter the influx of cosmic rays to the Earth.
  • When the Sun is lazy, magnetically speaking, there are more cosmic rays and more low clouds, and the world is cooler.
  • When the Sun is active fewer cosmic rays reach the Earth and, with fewer low clouds, the world warms up.
  • The implications of the study suggests that the mechanism can have affected:
  • The climate changes observed during the 20th century
  • The coolings and warmings of around 2°C that have occurred repeatedly over the past 10,000 years, as the Sun’s activity and the cosmic ray influx have varied.
  • The much larger variations of up to 10°C occurring as the Sun and Earth travel through the Galaxy visiting regions with varying numbers of exploding stars.


For more info see:
here (Summary; 4 page pdf),
here (Explanatory blog) and
here (The paper as published in NATURE)


This will hopefully end the CO2 hoax as we know it.

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Reply #1 posted 12/20/17 1:37am

BombSquad

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wait a moment, STOP THE PRESS!

so he did a giant research and found out... fond out that - it sounds almost unbelievable - that the sun does influence our climate???? WOW!! REALLY????

oh man, who would have thought so!!

except for..... ahhhh... everyone??


next

2013 Obama & Castro - "and barack has once again bowed down to a despot"
2018 Trump & Kim - "and it is happening now! after nearly 65 years and 11 presidents"
biggest fucking hypocrite around LOL only in da forum...
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Reply #2 posted 12/20/17 1:39am

BombSquad

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coming up next: a research that - surprisingly - finds out that heart diseases are the most common cause of death

that will hopefully end that cancer hoax as we now it.

[Edited 12/20/17 1:50am]

2013 Obama & Castro - "and barack has once again bowed down to a despot"
2018 Trump & Kim - "and it is happening now! after nearly 65 years and 11 presidents"
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Reply #3 posted 12/20/17 5:25am

Dasein

Interestingly enough, I too, did research and this is what I discovered:

Galactic cosmic rays, which are atomic particles coming from the supernova remnants left by exploded
stars, appear to play a major part in why the "climate changes" and seemingly is "never ending" and
is quite "natural" a process by itself. By ionizing the air, cosmic rays help to form aerosols that may
grow into cloud condensation nuclei (CCN), required for water droplets to condense and create low-
altitude clouds. As these exert a strong cooling effect, increases or decreases in the cosmic ray influx
and in cloudiness can significantly lower or raise the world’s mean temperature. Yet, all of this
happens because dumb ass humans and their dumb ass activities on earth have caused irreparable
damage to the environment and beyond.




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Reply #4 posted 12/20/17 10:03pm

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BombSquad said:

wait a moment, STOP THE PRESS!

so he did a giant research and found out... fond out that - it sounds almost unbelievable - that the sun does influence our climate???? WOW!! REALLY????

oh man, who would have thought so!!

except for..... ahhhh... everyone??


next

^

The reply you expect when somebody's too dumb to understand what is written....

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Reply #5 posted 12/21/17 1:28am

Lianachan

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This guy has been banging on about "cosmoclimatology" for years, despite never addressing any of the problems raised whenever anything he publishes is systematically pulled to bits.

"Anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge"" ~ Isaac Asimov
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Reply #6 posted 12/21/17 2:09am

BombSquad

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TweetyV6 said:

BombSquad said:

wait a moment, STOP THE PRESS!

so he did a giant research and found out... fond out that - it sounds almost unbelievable - that the sun does influence our climate???? WOW!! REALLY????

oh man, who would have thought so!!

except for..... ahhhh... everyone??


next

^

The reply you expect when somebody's too dumb to understand what is written....

hahaha that coming from a guy who repeatedly mixes up volume and surface when comparing the amount of arctic ice?


http://www.prince.org/msg/105/389239
http://www.prince.org/msg/105/390272



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2013 Obama & Castro - "and barack has once again bowed down to a despot"
2018 Trump & Kim - "and it is happening now! after nearly 65 years and 11 presidents"
biggest fucking hypocrite around LOL only in da forum...
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Reply #7 posted 12/21/17 2:11am

BombSquad

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Lianachan said:

This guy has been banging on about "cosmoclimatology" for years, despite never addressing any of the problems raised whenever anything he publishes is systematically pulled to bits.

still some seem too dumb to understand and repost his rubbish anyway

oh well

2013 Obama & Castro - "and barack has once again bowed down to a despot"
2018 Trump & Kim - "and it is happening now! after nearly 65 years and 11 presidents"
biggest fucking hypocrite around LOL only in da forum...
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Reply #8 posted 12/21/17 2:20am

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This will hopefully end the CO2 hoax as we know it.


and how so?


so can you please point out where this research or the links you gave proves that CO2 is not a green house gas?

or can you point out where this research proves that humans are not pumping additional CO2 from fossil fuels into the atmosphere and into the carbon cycle?

or at the very least where it proves that this human part is irrelevant to the climate?




you need to prove at least one of those points to "end the hoax"


thanks in advance


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2013 Obama & Castro - "and barack has once again bowed down to a despot"
2018 Trump & Kim - "and it is happening now! after nearly 65 years and 11 presidents"
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Reply #9 posted 12/23/17 11:05am

lust

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Cool. So now we just wait until the peer review process runs it’s course, yes?

And as you’ve stated an appreciation for real science of which that’s part of the process, you’ll accept the results?

Just wanna be sure that you’re not being influenced by confirmation bias which is unscientific of course.
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Reply #10 posted 12/29/17 6:02am

poppys

Strange bedfellows - #end the hoax lol

In the East, it could be the COLDEST New Year’s Eve on record. Perhaps we could use a little bit of that good old Global Warming that our Country, but not other countries, was going to pay TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS to protect against. Bundle up!

4:01 PM - 28 Dec 2017


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Reply #11 posted 12/29/17 7:40am

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Tweety, take that babble elsewhere.

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Reply #12 posted 12/29/17 8:21am

Ugot2shakesumt
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TweetyV6 said:

Finally Henrik Svensmark has published his research into the real reason why climate changes.

As I have been saying all the time: Climate has been changing ever since the earth came into existance. It's is a natural phenomenon in which the human activities play no significant role.

No Svensmark has published the results of his multiple years research into understanding how clouds are formed from cosmic rays, the role of the sun and the position of the earth in the galaxy.


The hypothesis in a nutshell

  • Cosmic rays, high-energy particles raining down from exploded stars, knock electrons out of air molecules. This produces ions, that is, positive and negative molecules in the atmosphere.
  • The ions help aerosols – clusters of mainly sulphuric acid and water molecules – to form and become stable against evaporation. This process is called nucleation. The small aerosols need to grow nearly a million times in mass in order to have an effect on clouds.
  • The second role of ions is that they accelerate the growth of the small aerosols into cloud condensation nuclei – seeds on which liquid water droplets form to make clouds. The more ions the more aerosols become cloud condensation nuclei. It is this second property of ions which is the new result published in Nature Communications.
  • Low clouds made with liquid water droplets cool the Earth’s surface.
  • Variations in the Sun’s magnetic activity alter the influx of cosmic rays to the Earth.
  • When the Sun is lazy, magnetically speaking, there are more cosmic rays and more low clouds, and the world is cooler.
  • When the Sun is active fewer cosmic rays reach the Earth and, with fewer low clouds, the world warms up.
  • The implications of the study suggests that the mechanism can have affected:
  • The climate changes observed during the 20th century
  • The coolings and warmings of around 2°C that have occurred repeatedly over the past 10,000 years, as the Sun’s activity and the cosmic ray influx have varied.
  • The much larger variations of up to 10°C occurring as the Sun and Earth travel through the Galaxy visiting regions with varying numbers of exploding stars.


For more info see:
here (Summary; 4 page pdf),
here (Explanatory blog) and
here (The paper as published in NATURE)


This will hopefully end the CO2 hoax as we know it.

Let's face it. All scientific sources, even the folks paid to cast doubt on behalf of the polution industry as well as the polluters themselves (including common sense) have ALL agreed that humans are the casue of the current climate change and the extinction of vast living life here on earth.

You WANT to believe your story. You have a lot invested in your own little bubble you've created. Give it up. Even most of the paid shills have given up. Eventually you'll have to. Why continually make a fool of yourself time and again.

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Reply #13 posted 12/29/17 8:26am

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

TweetyV6 said:

Finally Henrik Svensmark has published his research into the real reason why climate changes.

As I have been saying all the time: Climate has been changing ever since the earth came into existance. It's is a natural phenomenon in which the human activities play no significant role.

No Svensmark has published the results of his multiple years research into understanding how clouds are formed from cosmic rays, the role of the sun and the position of the earth in the galaxy.



For more info see:
here (Summary; 4 page pdf),
here (Explanatory blog) and
here (The paper as published in NATURE)


This will hopefully end the CO2 hoax as we know it.

Let's face it. All scientific sources, even the folks paid to cast doubt on behalf of the polution industry as well as the polluters themselves (including common sense) have ALL agreed that humans are the casue of the current climate change and the extinction of vast living life here on earth.

You WANT to believe your story. You have a lot invested in your own little bubble you've created. Give it up. Even most of the paid shills have given up. Eventually you'll have to. Why continually make a fool of yourself time and again.

Yes, well said.

"Our liberty depends on the freedom of the press, and that cannot be limited without being lost".
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Reply #14 posted 12/30/17 5:07am

TweetyV6

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

TweetyV6 said:

Finally Henrik Svensmark has published his research into the real reason why climate changes.

As I have been saying all the time: Climate has been changing ever since the earth came into existance. It's is a natural phenomenon in which the human activities play no significant role.

No Svensmark has published the results of his multiple years research into understanding how clouds are formed from cosmic rays, the role of the sun and the position of the earth in the galaxy.



For more info see:
here (Summary; 4 page pdf),
here (Explanatory blog) and
here (The paper as published in NATURE)


This will hopefully end the CO2 hoax as we know it.

Let's face it. All scientific sources, even the folks paid to cast doubt on behalf of the polution industry as well as the polluters themselves (including common sense) have ALL agreed that humans are the casue of the current climate change and the extinction of vast living life here on earth.

You WANT to believe your story. You have a lot invested in your own little bubble you've created. Give it up. Even most of the paid shills have given up. Eventually you'll have to. Why continually make a fool of yourself time and again.


All scientific sources like CERN's CLOUD.... oh wait....they were looking for the link between cosmic rays and cloud formation. https://home.cern/about/e...ents/cloud something Svensmark now has established.

And oh.... water(vapor) is the most significant GHG. it determines the GHG effect for 80-95%
CO2 only about 1-4% [depending on the RH] and is fairly insignificant, especially when you take into account that only a fraction of CO2 in the air is coing from human activity.

http://onlinelibrary.wile...7/abstract

And feel free to call me a fool.
But this fool is going to work (from 1 March 2018) at Eumetsat, The European Institute for Meteorological Sattelites (weather & climate studies) in Darmstadt, Germany as Manager of the Process Assurance and Management Support Division, reporting directly to the Director General of the Institute.

My team of 40 people will be, amongs other things, responsible for data transfer between sattellites and ground stations and data accuracy.


So much for my credibility. How about yours?

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Reply #15 posted 12/30/17 6:22am

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The guy is not a climate scientist. How hard is this Tweety? Will you please go to youtube and follow Potholer54, he is great on the science.

Svensmark spoke at the Heartland Institute, a right wing society linked to white racists. Good going Tweets.

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Reply #16 posted 12/30/17 6:33am

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Lovely:

Tweety, save your soul.

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Reply #17 posted 12/30/17 7:01am

Ugot2shakesumt
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TweetyV6 said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

Let's face it. All scientific sources, even the folks paid to cast doubt on behalf of the polution industry as well as the polluters themselves (including common sense) have ALL agreed that humans are the casue of the current climate change and the extinction of vast living life here on earth.

You WANT to believe your story. You have a lot invested in your own little bubble you've created. Give it up. Even most of the paid shills have given up. Eventually you'll have to. Why continually make a fool of yourself time and again.


All scientific sources like CERN's CLOUD.... oh wait....they were looking for the link between cosmic rays and cloud formation. https://home.cern/about/e...ents/cloud something Svensmark now has established.

And oh.... water(vapor) is the most significant GHG. it determines the GHG effect for 80-95%
CO2 only about 1-4% [depending on the RH] and is fairly insignificant, especially when you take into account that only a fraction of CO2 in the air is coing from human activity.

http://onlinelibrary.wile...7/abstract

And feel free to call me a fool.
But this fool is going to work (from 1 March 2018) at Eumetsat, The European Institute for Meteorological Sattelites (weather & climate studies) in Darmstadt, Germany as Manager of the Process Assurance and Management Support Division, reporting directly to the Director General of the Institute.

My team of 40 people will be, amongs other things, responsible for data transfer between sattellites and ground stations and data accuracy.


So much for my credibility. How about yours?



You lost all credibility a long time ago. You seems to be saying that the entire worlds scientific comunnity is wrong (possible) and whatever bits you scrounge up to make your case make you a sage.

Let me make this as easily as possible. You say there is no consequesnce to our actions. That mankind can do whatever we want on this planet and their will be no consequence.

Since when has that even been the case? We can see the folly of your argument in every single day in everything man does. If can't see that, them you are truly hopeless.

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Reply #18 posted 12/30/17 8:54am

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I bet Tweety is a teen.

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Reply #19 posted 12/30/17 8:58am

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Janeane Garofalo says they should have an algarythm where if you deny climate science you cannot get government help.

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Reply #20 posted 12/31/17 2:38am

TweetyV6

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

TweetyV6 said:


All scientific sources like CERN's CLOUD.... oh wait....they were looking for the link between cosmic rays and cloud formation. https://home.cern/about/e...ents/cloud something Svensmark now has established.

And oh.... water(vapor) is the most significant GHG. it determines the GHG effect for 80-95%
CO2 only about 1-4% [depending on the RH] and is fairly insignificant, especially when you take into account that only a fraction of CO2 in the air is coing from human activity.

http://onlinelibrary.wile...7/abstract

And feel free to call me a fool.
But this fool is going to work (from 1 March 2018) at Eumetsat, The European Institute for Meteorological Sattelites (weather & climate studies) in Darmstadt, Germany as Manager of the Process Assurance and Management Support Division, reporting directly to the Director General of the Institute.

My team of 40 people will be, amongs other things, responsible for data transfer between sattellites and ground stations and data accuracy.


So much for my credibility. How about yours?



You lost all credibility a long time ago. You seems to be saying that the entire worlds scientific comunnity is wrong (possible) and whatever bits you scrounge up to make your case make you a sage.

Let me make this as easily as possible. You say there is no consequesnce to our actions. That mankind can do whatever we want on this planet and their will be no consequence.

Since when has that even been the case? We can see the folly of your argument in every single day in everything man does. If can't see that, them you are truly hopeless.


Strange how you don't argue against what I presented.

Just one quick, simple question: how do you know that the 'entire worlds scientific community' believes that climate change (THFKAGW) is man made?

And yes, in respect to 'Global Warming'/ Climate Change; mankinds activities are insigificant.
On other aspects like pollution (CO2 is NOT a pollutant!) and deforrestation etc. mankind does more harm then good.

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2freaky4church1 said:

I bet Tweety is a teen.


You lost. Born on the 24th of July 1970. See my profile.

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Reply #22 posted 12/31/17 2:45am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Janeane Garofalo says they should have an algarythm where if you deny climate science you cannot get government help.


Don't need Government help. With my new job, I will make 120k€/yr. cool
No income tax as it will be a European civil servant function.

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Reply #23 posted 12/31/17 9:39am

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TweetyV6 said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:



You lost all credibility a long time ago. You seems to be saying that the entire worlds scientific comunnity is wrong (possible) and whatever bits you scrounge up to make your case make you a sage.

Let me make this as easily as possible. You say there is no consequesnce to our actions. That mankind can do whatever we want on this planet and their will be no consequence.

Since when has that even been the case? We can see the folly of your argument in every single day in everything man does. If can't see that, them you are truly hopeless.


Strange how you don't argue against what I presented.

Just one quick, simple question: how do you know that the 'entire worlds scientific community' believes that climate change (THFKAGW) is man made?

And yes, in respect to 'Global Warming'/ Climate Change; mankinds activities are insigificant.
On other aspects like pollution (CO2 is NOT a pollutant!) and deforrestation etc. mankind does more harm then good.

Me? double-check something you posted on the internet? Every capable scientific mind is already checking all the data.

Besides. I would respect your posts if they were more grounded and said something like"contrary to the overwhelming amounts of data to the contrary, this report might mean there is more to look at and study." I can resect that. But no, you come off as the know-it all who knows more than NASA and every other major scientific community combined lol.

Or even if you said something like" there will be serious economic consequences if we abruptly implement anything to mitigate some of these concerns" I can respect that too.

But lets be clear, only because governments across the world have implemented restrictions on human plunder and unretrained desire have we mitigated the complete annihilation of life our little world as we know it. Unchecked we would have already brought most life here to extinction, including our own. 

So i would sober up with your manic delusions of grandeur or whatever psychosis you are going through and try to understand the rational of proceeding with caution.

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Reply #24 posted 12/31/17 10:04am

13cjk13

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

TweetyV6 said:


Strange how you don't argue against what I presented.

Just one quick, simple question: how do you know that the 'entire worlds scientific community' believes that climate change (THFKAGW) is man made?

And yes, in respect to 'Global Warming'/ Climate Change; mankinds activities are insigificant.
On other aspects like pollution (CO2 is NOT a pollutant!) and deforrestation etc. mankind does more harm then good.

Me? double-check something you posted on the internet? Every capable scientific mind is already checking all the data.

Besides. I would respect your posts if they were more grounded and said something like"contrary to the overwhelming amounts of data to the contrary, this report might mean there is more to look at and study." I can resect that. But no, you come off as the know-it all who knows more than NASA and every other major scientific community combined lol.

Or even if you said something like" there will be serious economic consequences if we abruptly implement anything to mitigate some of these concerns" I can respect that too.

But lets be clear, only because governments across the world have implemented restrictions on human plunder and unretrained desire have we mitigated the complete annihilation of life our little world as we know it. Unchecked we would have already brought most life here to extinction, including our own. 

So i would sober up with your manic delusions of grandeur or whatever psychosis you are going through and try to understand the rational of proceeding with caution.

yeahthat

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Reply #25 posted 01/04/18 2:39am

TweetyV6

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

TweetyV6 said:


Strange how you don't argue against what I presented.

Just one quick, simple question: how do you know that the 'entire worlds scientific community' believes that climate change (THFKAGW) is man made?

And yes, in respect to 'Global Warming'/ Climate Change; mankinds activities are insigificant.
On other aspects like pollution (CO2 is NOT a pollutant!) and deforrestation etc. mankind does more harm then good.

Me? double-check something you posted on the internet? Every capable scientific mind is already checking all the data.


Typical case of ignorance.
You can download the raw temperature data from the RSS, put them in excel, plot a graph and add a trendline.
You can then do the same with the CO2 data.

Combine both and calculate correlation.

Compare the real data to the predictions from the IPPC AR5 and see how these DON'T match.

You can find the physical property of which UV-radiation range is absorbed by CO2 freely.
I provided the link to the peer reviewed publication about how this, together with other GHG's, works as GH-effect and that 80-95% of the GH effet is due to Water(vapor)


Problem is that climate change alarmism has become religion like.
Just look at the parallels. A doomsday scenario, a select group of people dictating 'the truth', people following 'the truth' blindly and/because evrybody with a different opinion is labeled heretic (denier!), intimidated and gagged.


You just believe what others tell you is te he one and only truth.
I provide infromation which, if you would have a look at them and try to understand, should stimulate your critical thinking.

I do not pretend to know it all, far from that.
But I'm sure that there is more to climate change then CO2 and the sun only.

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Reply #26 posted 01/05/18 9:04am

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Eyes down for a full house.

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Reply #27 posted 01/05/18 9:11am

NorthC

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Reply #28 posted 01/05/18 10:15am

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The silly thing he does is in these posts is argue what nor one is arguing.

1. We all know that climate has been changing and will continue to change. NASA nor anyone else has never said otherwise. Lol

2. No one also never said that CO2 was not a natural thing who´s concentrations ebb and flow. NASA no anyone else has argued this point.

What we are talking about is the concentrations of CO2 that humans with our ever growing footprint on the natural world is impacting climate change. And change all over our title blue planet. We have already made irreversible changes. Extinction of life on massive scale already.

What we are talking about is mitigating the CO2 levels that we are responsible for, as well as levels of any other “natural” byproducts of ours to sustainable levels to life. I mean mercury is natural, and exists in nature, but if we dump huge concentrations of it into our drinking water there will be consequences.
I think all the concerns point to mitigating the dangers. Why some folks can´t wrap their head around it is mind boggling. And why they continue to fight tooth and nail an argument against caution is also mind boggling.
In everyone’s home town there is concern over their own local environment, and every community does it´s part in whatever concerns loom over them most and take action. We all have local and national environmental and wildlife agencies. This is one concern that crosses borders and crosses county lines that needs everyone to take caution and cooperate.
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Reply #29 posted 01/05/18 10:44am

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

The silly thing he does is in these posts is argue what nor one is arguing. 1. We all know that climate has been changing and will continue to change. NASA nor anyone else has never said otherwise. Lol 2. No one also never said that CO2 was not a natural thing who´s concentrations ebb and flow. NASA no anyone else has argued this point. What we are talking about is the concentrations of CO2 that humans with our ever growing footprint on the natural world is impacting climate change. And change all over our title blue planet. We have already made irreversible changes. Extinction of life on massive scale already. What we are talking about is mitigating CO2 levels, as well as levels of any other “natural” byproducts of ours to sustainable levels to life. I mean mercury is natural and exists in nature, but if we dump huge concentrations of into our drinking water there will be consequences. I think all the concerns point to mitigating the dangers. Why some folks can´t wrap their head around it is mind boggling.

And why they continue to fight tooth and nail an argument against caution is also mind boggling. In everyone’s home town there is concern over the environment and every community does it´s part in whatever concerns loom over them most and take action. We al have local and national environmental and wildlife agencies. This is one concern crosses borders and county lines that needs everyone to take caution and cooperate.

thumbs up!

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