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Thread started 12/07/17 8:55am

2freaky4church
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Al Franken to step down.

Just now. He denies alligations as well. wow. sad Minny love.

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Reply #1 posted 12/07/17 9:16am

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But Blake Farenthold - who actually paid a harrassment claim out of taxpayer funds (and only reimbursed us taxpayers for his behavior after he was found out) - stays in office.

At least we have ONE party that holds its members responsible.

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Reply #2 posted 12/07/17 9:22am

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good... but we all know this is partly motivated by Roy Moore.

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Reply #3 posted 12/07/17 10:26am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Just now. He denies alligations as well. wow. sad Minny love.


Let's be clear: he denies some of the allegations saying they are untrue, while he remembers others very differently.

I mean, Garrison Keller said the extent of the allegation against him was that he once put his hand on a woman's bare back - while posing for a photo or something equally unimportant. If that's true, and I believe it might be, it really deflates the voices of those women and men who have truly been put in compromising moments and subsequently violated.

The other option for Franken would be to stay and let the ethics committee investigate it fully, then go from there. But when you have a sitting POTUS who is as misogynistic and filthy as this one - it's a very different environment. But there is some interesting weights and balance to that. A misogynist gets into office, and almost simultaneously a movement of truth about sexual abuse floods out and permeates the culture.

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Reply #4 posted 12/07/17 4:48pm

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I think the fact that Leeann Tweedon had a picture of Al Franken acting like a horny 8th grader helped to bring him down.
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Reply #5 posted 12/07/17 5:56pm

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so he says some of the woman are lying and others just confused and he did not apologize and he did NOT resign! He said he will in the coming weeks... this is a ploy... it is about moore and trump!

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Reply #6 posted 12/07/17 8:24pm

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I think the fact that Leeann Tweedon had a picture of Al Franken acting like a horny 8th grader helped to bring him down.


Yet she "forgives" him. And there's video of her grabbing Robin Williams, twice, on stage at a USO tour. So, hypocrite says what?

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Reply #7 posted 12/08/17 6:09am

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TrivialPursuit said:

leftcoast said:

I think the fact that Leeann Tweedon had a picture of Al Franken acting like a horny 8th grader helped to bring him down.


Yet she "forgives" him. And there's video of her grabbing Robin Williams, twice, on stage at a USO tour. So, hypocrite says what?

what? that is a little like saying a hooker cannot be raped.

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Reply #8 posted 12/08/17 8:22am

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Now Moore should step down.

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Reply #9 posted 12/08/17 8:46am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

TrivialPursuit said:


Yet she "forgives" him. And there's video of her grabbing Robin Williams, twice, on stage at a USO tour. So, hypocrite says what?

what? that is a little like saying a hooker cannot be raped.


I'm not sure where you get that from. It's nothing like that. Even a hooker has sex consensually. She humped Williams, then slapped him on the ass. I'm not saying she molested him, but Franken never touched her (the kiss story is suspect so I don't know if it happened or not). He mocked grabbing her boobs. So where is the line in pretending in a photo opposed to actually putting your body on someone else's without asking?

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Reply #10 posted 12/08/17 8:52am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Now Moore should step down.

after he is elected sure... but it is too late to change that now

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Reply #11 posted 12/08/17 9:05am

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TrivialPursuit said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

what? that is a little like saying a hooker cannot be raped.


I'm not sure where you get that from. It's nothing like that. Even a hooker has sex consensually. She humped Williams, then slapped him on the ass. I'm not saying she molested him, but Franken never touched her (the kiss story is suspect so I don't know if it happened or not). He mocked grabbing her boobs. So where is the line in pretending in a photo opposed to actually putting your body on someone else's without asking?

do you apply the same charity to Moore and Trump? Are their accuser's stories suspect too?

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Reply #12 posted 12/08/17 9:18am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

TrivialPursuit said:


I'm not sure where you get that from. It's nothing like that. Even a hooker has sex consensually. She humped Williams, then slapped him on the ass. I'm not saying she molested him, but Franken never touched her (the kiss story is suspect so I don't know if it happened or not). He mocked grabbing her boobs. So where is the line in pretending in a photo opposed to actually putting your body on someone else's without asking?

do you apply the same charity to Moore and Trump? Are their accuser's stories suspect too?


I've said before that we always have to err on the side of the victim first. We always take their lead with any accusation. Then we investigate. Is the accusation true, or are they lying? We owe it to the accused, and the alleged victim to know the truth. Accusations alone that are untrue can smear someone unnecessarily and cause harm. With all the women that came out against Bill Cosby, a few were proven to be liars.

There was one woman being interviewed and investigated by the NY Times recently who accused Roy Moore (I think?) of sexually assaulting her. After investigating her story, the Times realizes she was making things up and didn't believe her story at all. She got found out and dropped her story and ran. But had the Times said "You're a liar" from the get-go without investigating the claims, then she was found out to be truthful, that would have been the incorrect way to handle it.

Society can never afford to leave potential victims helpless. But we also owe it to society at large to hold people's feet to the fire and find the truth, no matter what it might be, and proceed from there.

I'm a man who has not only been sexually abused and assaulted (as a child and as an adult), but I'm also someone who called DHS & the police on my own father for raping a kid for a decade. I fully stand by an accuser until I find out the truth. With Franken, or anyone, I would say "I don't know if it happened or not..." but the next part is "let's find out". The story about him rehearsing and trying to kiss her moments before they went onstage for this skit they were doing just seems odd. Maybe it's the way she's telling the story, or the way he's telling the story, I don't know. That one element seems weird to me. Only they know the truth with that. Hopefully, the rest of us will know soon enough.

As far as Moore, people have corroborated the story of him being banned from a shopping mall because he was a perv with young girls. Trump has admitted to walking into the dressing room on naked women during the Miss America pageant "Cuz I'm the owner and I have to 'check on things'". He admits to using his power as owner of the pageant to gain access to a dressing room full of nude or partially nude women just to oogle them. Anyone would agree that promoting grabbing females by their vagina vs a photo pretending to be grabbing a woman's boobs has a great variance is severity. Neither should have happened, but to literally grab a woman's vagina... how is he even trying to do that? Is he hooking a finger in there to keep her unable to move? I mean, it's just disgusting. Franken was uncouth and disrespectful. But that photo is not sexual abuse. It's just fucking stupid as hell.

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Reply #13 posted 12/08/17 9:21am

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TrivialPursuit said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

do you apply the same charity to Moore and Trump? Are their accuser's stories suspect too?


I've said before that we always have to err on the side of the victim first. We always take their lead with any accusation. Then we investigate. Is the accusation true, or are they lying? We owe it to the accused, and the alleged victim to know the truth. Accusations alone that are untrue can smear someone unnecessarily and cause harm. With all the women that came out against Bill Cosby, a few were proven to be liars.

There was one woman being interviewed and investigated by the NY Times recently who accused Roy Moore (I think?) of sexually assaulting her. After investigating her story, the Times realizes she was making things up and didn't believe her story at all. She got found out and dropped her story and ran. But had the Times said "You're a liar" from the get-go without investigating the claims, then she was found out to be truthful, that would have been the incorrect way to handle it.

Society can never afford to leave potential victims helpless. But we also owe it to society at large to hold people's feet to the fire and find the truth, no matter what it might be, and proceed from there.

I'm a man who has not only been sexually abused and assaulted (as a child and as an adult), but I'm also someone who called DHS & the police on my own father for raping a kid for a decade. I fully stand by an accuser until I find out the truth. With Franken, or anyone, I would say "I don't know if it happened or not..." but the next part is "let's find out". The story about him rehearsing and trying to kiss her moments before they went onstage for this skit they were doing just seems odd. Maybe it's the way she's telling the story, or the way he's telling the story, I don't know. That one element seems weird to me. Only they know the truth with that. Hopefully, the rest of us will know soon enough.

As far as Moore, people have corroborated the story of him being banned from a shopping mall because he was a perv with young girls. Trump has admitted to walking into the dressing room on naked women during the Miss America pageant "Cuz I'm the owner and I have to 'check on things'". He admits to using his power as owner of the pageant to gain access to a dressing room full of nude or partially nude women just to oogle them. Anyone would agree that promoting grabbing females by their vagina vs a photo pretending to be grabbing a woman's boobs has a great variance is severity. Neither should have happened, but to literally grab a woman's vagina... how is he even trying to do that? Is he hooking a finger in there to keep her unable to move? I mean, it's just disgusting. Franken was uncouth and disrespectful. But that photo is not sexual abuse. It's just fucking stupid as hell.

so you admit you pick and choose and seem to do so along a political line...

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Reply #14 posted 12/08/17 9:37am

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At least he chooses.

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Reply #15 posted 12/08/17 9:39am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

good... but we all know this is partly motivated by Roy Moore.

Who cares what the motivation was? And Roy Moore, that racists pervert should be in jail. I just don't understand the mentatility of some Americans and how they vote in such incompetent assholes. If Moore wins the vote, your country will become more of a laughing stock than it is now when it comes to your leaders. neutral

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Reply #16 posted 12/08/17 9:51am

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Empress said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

good... but we all know this is partly motivated by Roy Moore.

Who cares what the motivation was? And Roy Moore, that racists pervert should be in jail. I just don't understand the mentatility of some Americans and how they vote in such incompetent assholes. If Moore wins the vote, your country will become more of a laughing stock than it is now when it comes to your leaders. neutral

i hope if he wins that he will not be seated

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Reply #17 posted 12/08/17 10:24am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

so you admit you pick and choose and seem to do so along a political line...


Listen brotato chip, if you're looking for a fight or whatever, you're talking to yourself. You'll read whatever you wanna see, but I've been very clear in my stance on sexual abuse & sexual assault. If you wanna try to nitpick that to make a point - go for it. I know who I am. I had hoped this would be a better conversation, but maybe not.

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Reply #18 posted 12/08/17 10:45am

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TrivialPursuit said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

so you admit you pick and choose and seem to do so along a political line...


Listen brotato chip, if you're looking for a fight or whatever, you're talking to yourself. You'll read whatever you wanna see, but I've been very clear in my stance on sexual abuse & sexual assault. If you wanna try to nitpick that to make a point - go for it. I know who I am. I had hoped this would be a better conversation, but maybe not.

i am not looking to fight i just did not like that you seem to dismiss some of the accusers...

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Reply #19 posted 12/08/17 12:14pm

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They will seat him Only.

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Reply #20 posted 12/08/17 1:12pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

They will seat him Only.



They need his vote. That's all they care about
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Empress said:



OnlyNDaUsa said:


good... but we all know this is partly motivated by Roy Moore.



Who cares what the motivation was? And Roy Moore, that racists pervert should be in jail. I just don't understand the mentatility of some Americans and how they vote in such incompetent assholes. If Moore wins the vote, your country will become more of a laughing stock than it is now when it comes to your leaders. neutral



You have to understand, the biggest divide in America is between the smart and the stupid. Moore and Trump are the candidates and spokesmen of "Idiot America "
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Reply #22 posted 12/09/17 8:40am

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Another woman said Trump kissed her. He has to step down now.

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Reply #23 posted 12/09/17 10:26am

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good this happened...will show not ALL allegations r true

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