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Thread started 12/06/17 3:49pm

CherryMoon57

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Dress code at work: how far are you prepared to go?


"I want everyone working in this bank to come to work on Monday naked," ordered the bank manager. Hmm, would it really be acceptable for an employer to demand this? And if not, what makes a dress code reasonable or unreasonable? David Edmonds dons his thinking cap.


Question: What do tattoos, crucifixes, headscarves, beards and high-heeled shoes have in common?

Answer: they've all been the subject of sackings and disputes between employers and employees.

There was the London receptionist given the boot for not wearing high-heels, the Belgian receptionist told to hang up her hat for wearing a headscarf, the woman sacked for wearing a crucifix, the employees branded intolerant for objecting to tattoos and the firm in the cross hairs for banning facial fuzz.

All these stories raise the question of what an employer can require that their employees wear. Can they legitimately impose on their staff any dress code they wish?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news...s-42236608

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Reply #1 posted 12/07/17 8:33am

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"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
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Reply #2 posted 12/07/17 8:46am

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All dress codes and drug tests are control.

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Reply #3 posted 12/11/17 10:18am

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2freaky4church1 said:

All dress codes and drug tests are control.

yeah as are hours of work and job requirements and duties... i mean what do you mean i have to cook french fries? how dare you tell me i have to work!

if you do not like the rules at one job do apply down the road.


as long as it is not a crime...do it or do not do it but just be ready for a consequence.

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Reply #4 posted 12/11/17 11:41am

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Gobblygook.

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Reply #5 posted 12/11/17 11:44am

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Not the full monty that's for sure.

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Reply #6 posted 12/11/17 1:25pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Gobblygook.

life is gobblygook... i hope someday you will see that you have huge double standards...

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Reply #7 posted 12/12/17 8:28am

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Freedom in the workplace. No says the Onlyman.

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Reply #8 posted 12/12/17 8:33am

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Corporate culture can certainly be insidious.

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Reply #9 posted 12/12/17 8:37am

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Oh yea. Corporations are fascist.

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Reply #10 posted 12/12/17 9:35am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Freedom in the workplace. No says the Onlyman.

you are free to work elsewhere.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #11 posted 12/12/17 9:45am

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Yea, there are democratic jobs everywhere. You make me smile Only.

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Reply #12 posted 12/12/17 9:48am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Yea, there are democratic jobs everywhere. You make me smile Only.

work is not nor should it be a democracy...no one really wants to live in a democracy. But I am sure that is not what you really meant.



But of course, your job has rules. Rules against sexual harassment or discrimination.

a dress code is annoying...but it not at all a violation of your rights or freedom. you just do not LIKE it so you have a fit over it.

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Only just made the case for sexual harrassment. lol

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Reply #14 posted 12/12/17 10:08am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Only just made the case for sexual harrassment. lol

no you are. you are saying workplace rules are oppressive... or let the majority decide. you say a male should be able to have his junk out if he wants to... you... i am for rules at work. And I am consistent. you seem to want to pick and choose ONLY the ones you like.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Only just made the case for sexual harrassment. lol

no you are. you are saying workplace rules are oppressive... or let the majority decide. you say a male should be able to have his junk out if he wants to... you... i am for rules at work. And I am consistent. you seem to want to pick and choose ONLY the ones you like.

There are many jobs, especially on airlines, or in the hotel industry, that expect their employees to dress a certain way: This might include wearing make-up, wearing heels, wearing above the knee skirts etc... Not only are some of these requirements, such as heels, proven to be detrimental to physical health, they also are put in place to make the women serving the brand look 'attractive'. This is why I have a problem with your 'like it or leave' policy.


Why should women wear skirts above the knee if they feel uncomfortable doing so? I literally can't think of a single reason why wearing a skirt above the knee would make you better at your job than choosing a skirt that finishes just below the knee, or even wearing trousers. I personally like make-up but I am well aware that people can be allergic to some cosmetics, or just prefer not to wear it - this does not make them worse at their job.


I am also well aware that some men would rather look at a woman that wears make-up, but surely that says more about them than the woman who is performing her job to the same high standard but without the slap. And jobs are just not that easy to get nowadays, so its not just as easy as going and working elsewhere. I honestly hope we are getting to the stage where an airline is judged for its service and reliability rather than by the beautiful people who are subservient to their coroporate dress code, but I fear we are some time away from that yet

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maplenpg said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

no you are. you are saying workplace rules are oppressive... or let the majority decide. you say a male should be able to have his junk out if he wants to... you... i am for rules at work. And I am consistent. you seem to want to pick and choose ONLY the ones you like.

There are many jobs, especially on airlines, or in the hotel industry, that expect their employees to dress a certain way: This might include wearing make-up, wearing heels, wearing above the knee skirts etc... Not only are some of these requirements, such as heels, proven to be detrimental to physical health, they also are put in place to make the women serving the brand look 'attractive'. This is why I have a problem with your 'like it or leave' policy.


Why should women wear skirts above the knee if they feel uncomfortable doing so? I literally can't think of a single reason why wearing a skirt above the knee would make you better at your job than choosing a skirt that finishes just below the knee, or even wearing trousers. I personally like make-up but I am well aware that people can be allergic to some cosmetics, or just prefer not to wear it - this does not make them worse at their job.


I am also well aware that some men would rather look at a woman that wears make-up, but surely that says more about them than the woman who is performing her job to the same high standard but without the slap. And jobs are just not that easy to get nowadays, so its not just as easy as going and working elsewhere. I honestly hope we are getting to the stage where an airline is judged for its service and reliability rather than by the beautiful people who are subservient to their coroporate dress code, but I fear we are some time away from that yet

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Amen!

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maplenpg said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

no you are. you are saying workplace rules are oppressive... or let the majority decide. you say a male should be able to have his junk out if he wants to... you... i am for rules at work. And I am consistent. you seem to want to pick and choose ONLY the ones you like.

There are many jobs, especially on airlines, or in the hotel industry, that expect their employees to dress a certain way: This might include wearing make-up, wearing heels, wearing above the knee skirts etc... Not only are some of these requirements, such as heels, proven to be detrimental to physical health, they also are put in place to make the women serving the brand look 'attractive'. This is why I have a problem with your 'like it or leave' policy.


Why should women wear skirts above the knee if they feel uncomfortable doing so? I literally can't think of a single reason why wearing a skirt above the knee would make you better at your job than choosing a skirt that finishes just below the knee, or even wearing trousers. I personally like make-up but I am well aware that people can be allergic to some cosmetics, or just prefer not to wear it - this does not make them worse at their job.


I am also well aware that some men would rather look at a woman that wears make-up, but surely that says more about them than the woman who is performing her job to the same high standard but without the slap. And jobs are just not that easy to get nowadays, so its not just as easy as going and working elsewhere. I honestly hope we are getting to the stage where an airline is judged for its service and reliability rather than by the beautiful people who are subservient to their coroporate dress code, but I fear we are some time away from that yet

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that is a pretty high cherry to pick. but if a woman FEELS like a dress code is violative of a workplace, that it creates a hostile workplace, or is discriminatory she or he can take it to court.



I had a job where women were required to wear pantyhose and SAW supervisors CHECKING! And men had to wear ties! Oh and men could not have earrings. Is that something I could Sue Over?

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #18 posted 12/12/17 11:40am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

maplenpg said:

There are many jobs, especially on airlines, or in the hotel industry, that expect their employees to dress a certain way: This might include wearing make-up, wearing heels, wearing above the knee skirts etc... Not only are some of these requirements, such as heels, proven to be detrimental to physical health, they also are put in place to make the women serving the brand look 'attractive'. This is why I have a problem with your 'like it or leave' policy.


Why should women wear skirts above the knee if they feel uncomfortable doing so? I literally can't think of a single reason why wearing a skirt above the knee would make you better at your job than choosing a skirt that finishes just below the knee, or even wearing trousers. I personally like make-up but I am well aware that people can be allergic to some cosmetics, or just prefer not to wear it - this does not make them worse at their job.


I am also well aware that some men would rather look at a woman that wears make-up, but surely that says more about them than the woman who is performing her job to the same high standard but without the slap. And jobs are just not that easy to get nowadays, so its not just as easy as going and working elsewhere. I honestly hope we are getting to the stage where an airline is judged for its service and reliability rather than by the beautiful people who are subservient to their coroporate dress code, but I fear we are some time away from that yet

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that is a pretty high cherry to pick. but if a woman FEELS like a dress code is violative of a workplace, that it creates a hostile workplace, or is discriminatory she or he can take it to court.



I had a job where women were required to wear pantyhose and SAW supervisors CHECKING! And men had to wear ties! Oh and men could not have earrings. Is that something I could Sue Over?

Except it is not as easy as you seem to think to take it to court, certainly in the UK anyway. This is from the House of Commons:


The Equality Act 2010 was intentionally drafted in a way which relies on test cases being brought to build up a body of antidiscrimination case law. Far fewer of these cases are being brought, however, following the introduction of employment tribunal fees in 2013. We heard that reductions in funding for the Equalities and Human Rights Commission have also had an impact, reducing the opportunities for individuals, often in insecure employment, to obtain support when bringing such a claim. This drop in employment tribunal claims poses an obvious threat to the effectiveness of antidiscrimination law.


In other words, the funding for individuals to sue has been reduced, and given that these multi-million (sometimes billion) pound companies will hire the best, most ruthless lawyers out there, you certainly need some spare dosh and a lot of courage to pursue a claim.


I think there are jobs where some dress code is enforceable, for example ear-rings (for both genders) can be dangerous - I have seen the damage caused when an earring rips straight through the ear because it has caught on something. Ties I'm a bit on the fence about.

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maplenpg said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

that is a pretty high cherry to pick. but if a woman FEELS like a dress code is violative of a workplace, that it creates a hostile workplace, or is discriminatory she or he can take it to court.



I had a job where women were required to wear pantyhose and SAW supervisors CHECKING! And men had to wear ties! Oh and men could not have earrings. Is that something I could Sue Over?

Except it is not as easy as you seem to think to take it to court, certainly in the UK anyway. This is from the House of Commons:


The Equality Act 2010 was intentionally drafted in a way which relies on test cases being brought to build up a body of antidiscrimination case law. Far fewer of these cases are being brought, however, following the introduction of employment tribunal fees in 2013. We heard that reductions in funding for the Equalities and Human Rights Commission have also had an impact, reducing the opportunities for individuals, often in insecure employment, to obtain support when bringing such a claim. This drop in employment tribunal claims poses an obvious threat to the effectiveness of antidiscrimination law.


In other words, the funding for individuals to sue has been reduced, and given that these multi-million (sometimes billion) pound companies will hire the best, most ruthless lawyers out there, you certainly need some spare dosh and a lot of courage to pursue a claim.


I think there are jobs where some dress code is enforceable, for example ear-rings (for both genders) can be dangerous - I have seen the damage caused when an earring rips straight through the ear because it has caught on something. Ties I'm a bit on the fence about.

okay... i have no solution... but saying there should be no rules seems lacking.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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HAHA, they could say dress professional. They even wear jeans in church now.

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2freaky4church1 said:

HAHA, they could say dress professional. They even wear jeans in church now.

But a church is not a boss... and to me, you should come as you are to church. I think the Jesus would rather use that money for fancy clothes to help others.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #22 posted 12/13/17 11:00am

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We don't need bosses.

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Reply #23 posted 12/13/17 11:07am

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2freaky4church1 said:

We don't need bosses.

or education or badges

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Or walls.

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2freaky4church1 said:

Or walls.

or sugar

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Only: Prince was a left wing kook.

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Only: Prince was a left wing kook.

i think he was a free thinker and liberal on some things and way conservative on others....

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Reply #28 posted 12/15/17 9:09am

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R clothes, R Hair, we don't care. It's all about being Free??

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Reply #29 posted 12/15/17 9:26am

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2freaky4church1 said:

R clothes, R Hair, we don't care. It's all about being Free??

that may play in the streets of your fine city but let's work at the work pt 1... i mean how you dress in the street is one thing but at work... but what is fun! in some states you could get fired for dressing weird outside of work...


and a gal i knew asked if she could dye her hair blue. Her boss says "sure" so she did, he did not like it. He gave her a weekend to dye it back, she refused and got fired. She tried to sue but was told she had no case... she applied for unemployment and they blocked it but she appealed and won...

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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