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Reply #30 posted 12/06/17 1:21pm

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Sure helps BDS case.

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Reply #31 posted 12/06/17 1:34pm

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Being tolerant is not a one-way street

look at the map of the area... Isreal is tiny... and the Palestinians want to force all Israelis out.

Look at the tiny sliver of that tiny map Palestinians are "allowed" to live on while Israeli settlements grow.

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Reply #32 posted 12/06/17 1:36pm

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Musicslave said:



2elijah said:


Musicslave said:


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He doesn't care. As long those who voted for him and continue to support him and his decisions, he's fine. Screw everyone else.



It’s a deflection from the Russia probe. The Palestinians will see this move as favoritism.

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I just finished watching his press conference. I don't see how the Palestinians could see this any other way. I guess he expects them to just trust that he's looking out for their best interest too while he recognize a capital before an agreement is even fleshed out. This move along with moving the embassy to Jerusalem will only exacerbate the problem not move the region one inch closer towards peace. Trump is anti-peace.


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Reply #33 posted 12/06/17 4:09pm

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The crime will never being killing people, not for terrorist. The crime is now exposing terrorism for what it is unfortunately. If USA wants an embassy in Jerusalem it is not our problem if people want to kill over it. It is the terrorists problem not ours! Tolerance is not a one way street, they start to fuck with us and it is on.
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Reply #34 posted 12/07/17 1:16am

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this dumbfuck just made the greatest gift to Hamas, ISIS and radicals all over the place. THANK YOU!!

see the region go up in flames once again


what a clusterfucked shithead, unbelievably dumb

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Reply #35 posted 12/07/17 3:43am

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If this act spurs a violent reaction then it goes to show something very important...

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Reply #36 posted 12/07/17 3:48am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Israel stole the land. A third intifada would break out if that crazy shit happens. Get ready.

it was their land 3000 years ago and they were kicked out and then the land was given back to them.


people saying "How can they move it to Jerusalem?"

"Because it has been the capital of Isreal for thousands of years..."

Isreal's goal "to live in peace"

Hamas's goal "remove all non-Muslims"

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Reply #37 posted 12/07/17 4:04am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

If this act spurs a violent reaction then it goes to show something very important...

Yep, it goes to show that (to borrow BombSquad's phrase) Trump is a 'clusterfucked shithead, unbelievably dumb'. Of course if violence does or doesn't happen Trump will try to take the glory.

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Reply #38 posted 12/07/17 4:06am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Israel stole the land. A third intifada would break out if that crazy shit happens. Get ready.

it was their land 3000 years ago and they were kicked out and then the land was given back to them.


people saying "How can they move it to Jerusalem?"

"Because it has been the capital of Isreal for thousands of years..."

Isreal's goal "to live in peace"

Hamas's goal "remove all non-Muslims"

If it were only that simple nuts

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Reply #39 posted 12/07/17 4:33am

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it was their land 3000 years ago and they were kicked out and then the land was given back to them.

so it's fine if Native Americans declare a new state on US territory and make let's say New York their new capital. hopfully many other countries will support this and move their embassies over there too


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Reply #40 posted 12/07/17 4:35am

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Trump's next big solution: order fire fighters to spray oil on California forest fires, that might help

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Reply #41 posted 12/07/17 4:37am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



it was their land 3000 years ago and they were kicked out and then the land was given back to them.





so it's fine if Native Americans declare a new state on US territory and make let's say New York their new capital. hopfully many other countries will support this and move their embassies over there too



Or Mexico could reclaim the southwestern States.
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Reply #42 posted 12/07/17 4:39am

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I just read this on the news: in Amsterdam the windows of a Jewish restaurant have been smashed by someone shouting "Alahu akbar!" and "Palestina!" He has been arrested.
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Reply #43 posted 12/07/17 4:55am

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The indegenious people of the lands called Israel, Palestine, Egypt and Lebanon are the Canaanites, which the Palestinian are also descendants of.
So this idea that Palestinians are not also indegenious is ridiculous.


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Reply #44 posted 12/07/17 5:03am

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Video footage of Jerusalem, Palestine at the turn of the century.
Palestine was home to Jewish, Muslim and Christian communities.


"It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non-violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection" – Lesley Hazleton on the first muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #45 posted 12/07/17 5:37am

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Trump's next big solution: order fire fighters to spray oil on California forest fires, that might help

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lol lol lol Thanks for the laugh. That perfectly captures my reaction to his announcement. So counterproductive. lol

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Reply #46 posted 12/07/17 5:52am

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NorthC said:

BombSquad said:

so it's fine if Native Americans declare a new state on US territory and make let's say New York their new capital. hopfully many other countries will support this and move their embassies over there too


Or Mexico could reclaim the southwestern States.

mexico took it from someone else and gave or sold it so they have no claim...

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Reply #47 posted 12/07/17 5:53am

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https://www.politico.com/story/2017/12/06/jared-kushner-trump-jerusalem-mideast-peace-283770?lo=ap_d1

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Kushner bets he can have it both ways on Jerusalem move

The presidential son-in-law, whose influence has waned since John Kelly arrived, believes recognizing the Israeli capital won’t threaten his peace deal.

By ANNIE KARNI

12/06/2017 05:12 PM EST

Updated 12/06/2017 10:00 PM EST

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Jared Kushner is betting the house on a risky strategy that Middle East experts worry will derail any future Israeli-Palestinian peace deal — as well as what remains of the powerful son-in-law’s shrinking West Wing portfolio.

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He privately encouraged President Donald Trump’s announcement Wednesday that “Jerusalem is Israel’s capital,” which was seen by some experts in the region as a setback for peace efforts led by Kushner and his small team. The group has made dozens of trips to the region and spent hours on listening tours, working to gain the trust of the Palestinians and the broader Arab world.

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“It is very, very hard to imagine how that peace effort can be continued,” said Ghaith al-Omari, who served as an adviser to the Palestinian Authority’s negotiating team from 1999 to 2002. “All the Arab leaders who have been cultivating relations with the new administration will be forced to come out very strongly against this.”

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But a person close to Kushner said he was forceful in his backing of the move. “Encouraging would be an understatement,” the person said. “It was him.”

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Kushner has been hemmed in since the arrival of chief of staff John Kelly, losing his free-floating “first among equals” status in the White House while wrestling with increased scrutiny from special counsel Robert Mueller. These days, close associates said, Kushner is primarily driven by one goal: to prove himself by delivering a Middle East peace deal many skeptics doubt he can close.

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He is banking on the hope that the opposition is just a facade — and that, privately, after a “cooling-off period,” Arab allies will continue to work with him on a peace plan he still expects to announce at some point in the early months of 2018.

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He also sees the decision, people familiar with his thinking said, as one of the most significant moves by the Trump administration — something that will have repercussions on the region for years to come.

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“Despite any public remarks in the Arab world,” said a senior White House official, “I think everyone recognizes that without the United States’ involvement, the peace deal is not getting done.”

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A second White House official also dismissed potential violent outbursts in reaction to the announcement as nothing more than a short-term, knee-jerk reaction that will not carry long-term repercussions. “We understand that there will be a lot of predictable template reactions today,” the official said. “We are confident enough about getting a peace deal done in the future and think all parties understand the central role that the United States plays in that process.”

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For Kushner, the Jerusalem issue also provided a chance to reassert some of his lost authority in the White House. Privately, he told the president he backed the move, even as Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and Defense Secretary James Mattis voiced their opposition, according to multiple officials and outside advisers involved with the administration’s Middle East plans.

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But Kushner’s internal backing of the Jerusalem deal — contradicting advice of senior Cabinet secretaries — puts him on the line once again with high-risk political advice. Kushner is still closely associated with his support, last May, of Trump's decision to fire his FBI Director James Comey – which lead to the appointment of special counsel Robert Mueller and was widely seen as the biggest unforced error of Trump’s first year in office.

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“Urging Trump to fire Comey may go down in history as the dumbest piece of political advice ever offered,” said Dan Pfeiffer, a former adviser to President Barack Obama. (Kushner's attorney, Abbe Lowell, has said that his client supported the president's decision after it was made.)

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On the Jerusalem issue, a close confidant of Kushner’s said, the stakes, overall, may not be as high for the trajectory of Trump’s presidency. But they’re high for Kushner. “If he’s right, he will be a hero of heroes,” the Kushner ally said. “He end-ran Tillerson again. If he’s wrong, he’s doomed.”

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But Kushner’s view was not a hard sell for a president eager to claim victory on a campaign promise while winning praise from big pro-Israel donors like Sheldon Adelson. Trump first promised he would recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s capital when he delivered a campaign speech — written with heavy input from Kushner — in front of the hard-line pro-Israel lobbying group AIPAC on March 21, 2016.

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White House officials said the decision was ultimately settled solely by the president, after being briefed on all of his options by many advisers. And while Kushner was an important part of the process, he was one voice among many.

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Trump's Jerusalem announcement Wednesday collected quick accolades from powerful Jewish interests at home. The Adelson-funded Republican Jewish Congress, for example, said it planned to run a full-page ad in The New York Times on Thursday, under the banner headline: “President Trump: You Promised. You Delivered.”

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From Kushner’s perspective, according to people familiar with his thinking, the hope was that the announcement would fulfill a longstanding promise but do little damage to the relationships he has forged with players in the Middle East, like the crown prince of Saudi Arabia, Mohammed bin Salman, widely referred to as “MBS.”

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“I think [Trump] and Jared figure that after all the posturing and a few days of riots, things go back to normal when it comes to the negotiations,” said a person close to the administration.

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Kushner also feels as though he has the private backing of major players in the region. The confidant who speaks to Kushner regularly said, “It’s a bold, bold move. Jared and MBS are locked at the hip, and they are saying, 120 years of this hasn’t worked. Let’s take it in our hands.”

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Publicly, however, Saudi King Salman — Mohammed bin Salman’s father — called the Jerusalem embassy move “a dangerous step.”

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There were other small and immediate setbacks Wednesday to the careful outreach to the Arab world that Kushner and his lead Middle East envoy have been orchestrating over the past 10 months. The envoy, Jason Greenblatt, had been planning to spend Wednesday evening at a Christmas party hosted by the Palestine Liberation Organization’s delegation in Washington, a White House official said. But that party was canceled after the president’s announcement — a sign that its leaders did not want to be seen hosting members of the Trump administration in the wake of the Jerusalem announcement.

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Kushner and Greenblatt, who has traveled to the region more than 10 times, have no pending trips planned, a spokesman said. Vice President Mike Pence is still scheduled to visit Israel and Egypt in late December.

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For now, it’s an open question how long the cooling-off period might be, and even White House officials conceded they cannot predict the reaction from the Arab world and are watching carefully.

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“I think they’re going to have to take a knee for a little while and figure out what they’re doing next,” said Ilan Goldenberg, a former State Department official under John Kerry. “The question is, when can they be seen in public with any Arab leader?”

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But the senior White House official said the timeline for a peace plan has not changed and that “the decision does not in any way hamper our ability to get a peace agreement completed. We’re going to keep our heads down and keep working through it. When this cooling-off period is over, we’ll be ready.”

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Some observers said Kushner may benefit from even lower expectations.

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“It makes the marginal movement for actors [like Mohammed bin Salman and King Abdullah of Jordan] much, much narrower,” said al-Omari. “The relation with the United States is still fundamental, it’s all about Iran, and no one will rush that quickly to dismiss Kushner. But when it comes to peace in particular, most will be extremely skeptical.”

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Reply #48 posted 12/07/17 5:54am

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BombSquad said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

it was their land 3000 years ago and they were kicked out and then the land was given back to them.

so it's fine if Native Americans declare a new state on US territory and make let's say New York their new capital. hopfully many other countries will support this and move their embassies over there too


maybe... I do not see it as a valid comparison but maybe it is. I happen to side with the peaceful Isralies who want a tiny bit of land.

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Reply #49 posted 12/07/17 6:07am

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The indegenious people of the lands called Israel, Palestine, Egypt and Lebanon are the Canaanites, which the Palestinian are also descendants of. So this idea that Palestinians are not also indegenious is ridiculous. . [Edited 12/7/17 5:06am]



for one that is hardly an accepted statement. also, has it even been verified that the Israelites took the land from the Canaanites? And if so... so what... if the Israelites WON that war and took that land then they won that land. But what is Crystal Clear is that claim is made to invent some moral claim to that land... But then wouldn't Isreal have a claim to Egypt? or whatever land they were forced off?


It is funny how people want to go just back far enough to try to win a point... Like Mexico trying to say Texas was taken from them? Well okay and? Spain took the land from the 'indigenous' peoples who came here from Europe... (remember ALL so-called natives came to the Americas from someplace).



And the Native tribes in what is now North American were not really all that peaceful they were fighting each other for land too! Not saying it was a fair fight or that the Europeans and later the US, Mexican, and Canadian government treated them well... but no one would UNDO it and no way anyone of reason would think it should just all be given back.


but anyway I like this move it is the right thing to do and to not do it out of fear is why WWII was as bad as it was.

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Reply #50 posted 12/07/17 6:18am

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uhhmm....


OnlyNDaUsa said:

it was their land 3000 years ago and [...]


OnlyNDaUsa said:

It is funny how people want to go just back far enough to try to win a point...


it is funy how people flip flop from one moment to another trying to win a point...


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Reply #51 posted 12/07/17 6:25am

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Refering to the article I just posted above. If you read it carefully, you can hear that good ole AA shining through at the heart of this gesture. After all we're the most indispensible country in the world mind you. To give one party want it ultimately wants before you really begin negotiating was really brilliant. Now your role as the honest broker of peace or mediator is even more tarnished before the eyes of the other party. We've lost all credibility and squandered any trust.

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If Kushner/Trump had likewise conceded something favorable to the Palestinians to show good faith, it would have had a better chance at being productive. They showed their hand from the start. Great job guys. You're only confirming the suspicions of the Palestinians.

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Again, I hope blood isn't shed over there because of what our president said over here.

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Reply #52 posted 12/07/17 6:27am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

BombSquad said:

so it's fine if Native Americans declare a new state on US territory and make let's say New York their new capital. hopfully many other countries will support this and move their embassies over there too


maybe... I do not see it as a valid comparison but maybe it is. I happen to side with the peaceful Isralies who want a tiny bit of land.

why would it not be a valid comparison?

and I happen to side with the peaceful Native Americans who just want a tiny bit of land...

fucking shit, Israel stole much of the land in question (not the one that was "given" to them, but certainly westbank, gaza, east jerusalem...) and now want peace? "hey get over it, WE have it now. hahaha. and now stop that evil fighting"
and if you say, hey, they won it in a war and with pre-1948 terrorism, then it is also legitmate trying to win it back the same way, isn't it?



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Reply #53 posted 12/07/17 6:28am

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hausofmoi7 said:

The indegenious people of the lands called Israel, Palestine, Egypt and Lebanon are the Canaanites, which the Palestinian are also descendants of. So this idea that Palestinians are not also indegenious is ridiculous. . [Edited 12/7/17 5:06am]




but anyway I like this move it is the right thing to do and to not do it out of fear is why WWII was as bad as it was.

2 days ago you never even thought about it or cared. Except you knew the evangelical talking points.

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Reply #54 posted 12/07/17 6:32am

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poppys said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:




but anyway I like this move it is the right thing to do and to not do it out of fear is why WWII was as bad as it was.

2 days ago you never even thought about it or cared. Except you knew the evangelical talking points.

lie.... I mean you made that up with no possible support and did so in a failed attempt to discredit me and to take a personal jab at me... so maybe not a lie... but despicable none the less.

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Reply #55 posted 12/07/17 6:50am

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My only thing is, we have been in this protracted engagement in the Middle East (all of it), with wars and terrorism and us trying to overthrow their leaders etc because sure, we need oil because we are dependent on it at the moment and sure Americans have gotten rich off of it, but the tide in all cases is turning and we need to act accordingly and start the process of chilling the fuck out and becoming a more peaceful moral neutral superpower.

I mean, the money train in the Middle East still has some legs for another maybe 20 years easy(which is, and is not a long time). With the imminent transition to renewable and more efficient energy, our justifications for our greed will only become less justifiable. So our policy should reflect that.

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Reply #56 posted 12/07/17 8:49am

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Only just made the case that we should all move away and give the land back to the indians.

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Reply #57 posted 12/07/17 8:56am

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Palestinian Lives Matter.

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Reply #58 posted 12/08/17 8:31am

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Reply #59 posted 12/11/17 5:39am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



BombSquad said:




OnlyNDaUsa said:



it was their land 3000 years ago and they were kicked out and then the land was given back to them.





so it's fine if Native Americans declare a new state on US territory and make let's say New York their new capital. hopfully many other countries will support this and move their embassies over there too






maybe... I do not see it as a valid comparison but maybe it is. I happen to side with the peaceful Isralies who want a tiny bit of land.



Can you please illustrate your point about “Israelis who want a tiny bit of land”?
Here’s an illustration that shows they are more greedy than you indicate, and that American dollars are backing a complete takeover. Is it any wonder why Palestinians feel oppressed?


http://upload.wikimedia.o...6-2010.jpg
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