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Reply #90 posted 12/06/17 6:58am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

RodeoSchro said:



That wasn't my question.

the question was based on the false statement that it would lead to such increases to the debt or deficit. I reject that on its face.

I am not sure how much is too much... a trillion or whatever even over 10 years seems like too much. But again I reject that. That figure seems to be made up by applying the worst case to the situation and assuming the current state of the economy.

it is like when my city wanted to pass beer and wine sales... they said "the city over there makes $X and the one over there makes $Y....and they said we would make $W (by a per-capita average) but that was a lie as some of the X and Y towns were people from here... so both were inflated.... in fact the other two towns had lobbyist against US passing it because they knew they would lose revenues.

lol, so who are we supposed to believe? Actual economists or your own hunch. lol

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Reply #91 posted 12/06/17 7:01am

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

the question was based on the false statement that it would lead to such increases to the debt or deficit. I reject that on its face.

I am not sure how much is too much... a trillion or whatever even over 10 years seems like too much. But again I reject that. That figure seems to be made up by applying the worst case to the situation and assuming the current state of the economy.

it is like when my city wanted to pass beer and wine sales... they said "the city over there makes $X and the one over there makes $Y....and they said we would make $W (by a per-capita average) but that was a lie as some of the X and Y towns were people from here... so both were inflated.... in fact the other two towns had lobbyist against US passing it because they knew they would lose revenues.

lol, so who are we supposed to believe? Actual economists or your own hunch. lol

you believe what you like... i did not say you should agree with me. i was asked a question about how much is too much and i said I do not think it will be like that.

But in the case of how they project... that is what they do. They go by what the state of things is NOW and apply that change to is as if the change itself will have no impact. but the change WILL have an impact. Even releasing the figures has an impact. even LOOKING at the numbers has an impact.

What I said was you can not predict what will happen in reaction to a change.

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Reply #92 posted 12/06/17 7:18am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Ugot2shakesumthin said:

lol, so who are we supposed to believe? Actual economists or your own hunch. lol

you believe what you like... i did not say you should agree with me. i was asked a question about how much is too much and i said I do not think it will be like that.

But in the case of how they project... that is what they do. They go by what the state of things is NOW and apply that change to is as if the change itself will have no impact. but the change WILL have an impact. Even releasing the figures has an impact. even LOOKING at the numbers has an impact.

What I said was you can not predict what will happen in reaction to a change.

Thank you for reminding me that i can believe what i want. lol

,,,and you are also free to believe all the nonfact based things your fellow partisans want you to believe also.

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Reply #93 posted 12/06/17 7:23am

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

you believe what you like... i did not say you should agree with me. i was asked a question about how much is too much and i said I do not think it will be like that.

But in the case of how they project... that is what they do. They go by what the state of things is NOW and apply that change to is as if the change itself will have no impact. but the change WILL have an impact. Even releasing the figures has an impact. even LOOKING at the numbers has an impact.

What I said was you can not predict what will happen in reaction to a change.

Thank you for reminding me that i can believe what i want. lol

,,,and you are also free to believe all the nonfact based things your fellow partisans want you to believe also.

interesting...

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Reply #94 posted 12/06/17 7:32am

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

It was a big deal for him under Obama. It only matters to him along partisan lines.



I anxiously await his numerical answer to my question.

Seems like such a simple question too. The blah blah blahblah no working.


[Edited 12/6/17 7:34am]

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Reply #95 posted 12/19/17 4:23pm

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it passed in the house and is being talked about it in the Senate...

some yahoo is whining how it was not really debated and passed by one party and how bad it is for healthcare....LOL wait that is exactly how the ACA was passed!


now he is making stuff up saying the the Reps will cut all these programs.

and the bush tax cuts? barack had 8 years and he did not do anything to help the economy...

but the LEFT likes to lie and say that the last year of growth is due to obama policy? that just happened to start the November 9th?

[Edited 12/19/17 16:29pm]

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Reply #96 posted 12/19/17 4:51pm

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The House passed it with some stuff that can't be in the Senate Bill so now they have to redo the vote tomorrow. What a sham.

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Reply #97 posted 12/19/17 4:58pm

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The House passed it with some stuff that can't be in the Senate Bill so now they have to redo the vote tomorrow. What a sham.

it was something minor... it will pass... the senate will still pass it tonight and the house will fix it and pass it tomorrow and trumpy will sign it... i am happy!

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Reply #98 posted 12/20/17 7:12am

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Here is the converstaion that will play out in corporations big and small next year:

EMPLOYEE: Hey boss - with this new tax cut, we made more money! How much are you going to bonus/raise our salaries?

BOSS: What, exactly, did you or any other employee do to increase our income?

EMPLOYEE: Well, your invcreased cash isn't due to an increase in business. It's due to lower taxes. So...uhhhhh...I don't know?

BOSS: Exactly. I, the owner, have more money now and it is not the result of one single thing you or any other employee did this year. So why would you think YOU should get some of this extra money?

EMPLOYEE: Uhhhh....well.....ermmmm....I voted for Trump!

BOSS: Sucker.

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Reply #99 posted 12/20/17 7:39am

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hah!

RodeoSchro said:

Here is the converstaion that will play out in corporations big and small next year:

EMPLOYEE: Hey boss - with this new tax cut, we made more money! How much are you going to bonus/raise our salaries?

BOSS: What, exactly, did you or any other employee do to increase our income?

EMPLOYEE: Well, your invcreased cash isn't due to an increase in business. It's due to lower taxes. So...uhhhhh...I don't know?

BOSS: Exactly. I, the owner, have more money now and it is not the result of one single thing you or any other employee did this year. So why would you think YOU should get some of this extra money?

EMPLOYEE: Uhhhh....well.....ermmmm....I voted for Trump!

BOSS: Sucker.

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Reply #100 posted 12/20/17 9:08am

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Mitch McConnell re Tax Bill - If we can't sell* this to the American people we oughta be in another line of work.

*sell being the operative word here - as in sold down the river.

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Reply #101 posted 12/20/17 9:23am

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and the GOP keeps raping american citizens.

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Reply #102 posted 12/20/17 10:50am

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The whole we are not a democracy bs.

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Reply #103 posted 12/20/17 10:59am

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it was and is funny hearing all the dems say how bad this will be that is it the worst bill ever... but what will they say if the GDP is at 4 to 5% by next November...?

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Reply #104 posted 12/20/17 11:01am

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GDP does not matter.

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Reply #105 posted 12/20/17 11:02am

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GDP does not matter.

ha! yeah now that is over 3% after 8 years of being at 1%

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Reply #106 posted 12/20/17 11:03am

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Wages, that is what is important.

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Reply #107 posted 12/20/17 11:04am

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Wages, that is what is important.

without economic growth, wages will remain stagnant

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Reply #108 posted 12/20/17 11:19am

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Didn't happen under Reagan or Bush. Fail.

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Reply #109 posted 12/20/17 11:22am

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Didn't happen under Reagan or Bush. Fail.

wrong there was major growth under Reagan and it continued throughout the 1990s

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Reply #110 posted 12/20/17 11:25am

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but anyway it is done...

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Reply #111 posted 12/20/17 11:53am

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Wages have been going down for 30 years.

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Reply #112 posted 12/20/17 11:59am

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Wages have been going down for 30 years.

must not wise crack

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Reply #113 posted 12/20/17 1:00pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

2freaky4church1 said:

GDP does not matter.

ha! yeah now that is over 3% after 8 years of being at 1%



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Reply #114 posted 12/20/17 3:35pm

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RodeoSchro said:

Here is the converstaion that will play out in corporations big and small next year:

EMPLOYEE: Hey boss - with this new tax cut, we made more money! How much are you going to bonus/raise our salaries?

BOSS: What, exactly, did you or any other employee do to increase our income?

EMPLOYEE: Well, your invcreased cash isn't due to an increase in business. It's due to lower taxes. So...uhhhhh...I don't know?

BOSS: Exactly. I, the owner, have more money now and it is not the result of one single thing you or any other employee did this year. So why would you think YOU should get some of this extra money?

EMPLOYEE: Uhhhh....well.....ermmmm....I voted for Trump!

BOSS: Sucker.

Very Good! For the middle class fools that voted for him

[Edited 12/21/17 0:38am]

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Reply #115 posted 12/20/17 3:53pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

but anyway it is done...

Glad you got your dream, ugh.

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Reply #116 posted 12/20/17 4:13pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Other than they are jelous or want free stuff... why do so many people get all mad when a tax cut is proposed?

PAY ATTENTION.

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Reply #117 posted 12/20/17 4:14pm

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but anyway it is done...

And it will be un-done in 2018. Wait for it. Fuck 45.

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Reply #118 posted 12/21/17 5:53am

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I have to give props to Trump and the GOP for passive this massive bill. It's an achievement for THEM. We'll see in the coming years how it affects the people of the nation they govern almost completely without any real opposition at the moment.

The caveat is this. Up to this year, then end of his first year, it has been all Obama policy running the nation. As of 2018, that's when we'll see Trump policy really kick in. Now, i really do hope I am proven wrong and everything turns up roses. But starting this coming year, it's all Trump. It's all GOP.

The Trump era starts now. Like Bush before him, he inherited a nation running on all cylinders and on it's way to an amazing recovery. We can't do anything about it now except to hope for the best.

Let's hope it's not a repeat of Bush. Let's hope he doesn't blow the state of the economy like Bush did.


The definition of insanity is doing the same exact thing and hoping for a different outcome. So having hope. that makes me crazy i suppose.

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Reply #119 posted 12/21/17 6:57am

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Astasheiks said:

RodeoSchro said:

Here is the converstaion that will play out in corporations big and small next year:

EMPLOYEE: Hey boss - with this new tax cut, we made more money! How much are you going to bonus/raise our salaries?

BOSS: What, exactly, did you or any other employee do to increase our income?

EMPLOYEE: Well, your invcreased cash isn't due to an increase in business. It's due to lower taxes. So...uhhhhh...I don't know?

BOSS: Exactly. I, the owner, have more money now and it is not the result of one single thing you or any other employee did this year. So why would you think YOU should get some of this extra money?

EMPLOYEE: Uhhhh....well.....ermmmm....I voted for Trump!

BOSS: Sucker.

Very Good! For the middle class fools that voted for him

[Edited 12/21/17 0:38am]




Well, I have to retract a bit. Several large companies like AT&T are giving out bonuses to all employees because of this tax cut. While I'm still skeptical the cut will lead to permanently-increased wages, I am surprised and happy to admit I was wrong about some companies giving some of the tax cut funds to employees.

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