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GOP Tax Cut rolls despite polls

Permanent 15% Corporate tax cut. Lower cuts for Individuals will expire in 10 years.

https://www.msn.com/en-us...smsnnews11

Despite skeptical public, GOP pushing ahead on tax-cut plan

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Paul Kane


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In pushing so hard, Republicans are betting that they can sell this plan to the skeptical public once the legislation is signed into law by President Trump and workers see a boost in take-home pay. They are not dismissive of the polling, but they believe that they can make it popular enough next year to save their congressional majorities in the midterm elections.

"I fundamentally believe when we do this — make good on our word, make good on our promise, make people's lives better — we're going to be just fine politically," House Speaker Paul D. Ryan (R-Wis.) told reporters the week before the House passed its tax-cut plan Nov. 16.

Democrats are driving home that the relief for corporate tax rates, from 35 percent down to 20 percent, is permanent while the lower rates for individuals expire after 10 years. "Republicans are openly looting the hard-earned income of the American middle class to hand tax breaks to the wealthiest one percent and corporations," Pelosi said.

To counter that charge, Republicans have been circulating data, polling and focus group feedback to try to win back the public on a traditional GOP issue. The key ingredient is talking about workers seeing more money in their paychecks and not getting focused on large macroeconomic theory.*



*We love the poorly educated.


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Reply #1 posted 11/26/17 8:18am

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it looks like it will raise my taxes somewhat... like less than $100 but whatever I have not paid any for years!


But I support is as it is BETTER overall for the nation. And POPPYS can NEVER whine when I name call as you just said Republicans were not educated as an INSULT. (yes I know the source and you seem to either be LYING or simply did not get the meaning of the quote)

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Reply #2 posted 11/26/17 8:26am

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401K ON FIRE! DOW AT 23000! + MARK MY WORDS IF THIS TREND CONTINUES AND TRUMP DESTROYS MORE OF ISIS...TRUMP 8 YEARS!

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Reply #3 posted 11/26/17 8:30am

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SAME POLLS THAT SAID HILLARY WOULD WIN. SMOKE IT!

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Reply #4 posted 11/26/17 10:41am

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When republicans in my state (Peter King) say this plan will hurt NY, I'm going to listen to them over the Twidiot-in-Chief.

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Reply #5 posted 11/26/17 10:49am

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Other than they are jelous or want free stuff... why do so many people get all mad when a tax cut is proposed?

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Reply #6 posted 11/26/17 12:22pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

Other than they are jelous or want free stuff... why do so many people get all mad when a tax cut is proposed?


Because many of us know that trickle down NEVER happens. The cut is for the wealthiest few with money. They get it, hoard it and compare it to their competitor's hoards. THEY want the free stuff.*

*I love the poorly educated! hammer


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Reply #7 posted 11/26/17 12:47pm

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Republicans say corporate tax cuts will boost workers' wages, but CEOs might have other plans

http://www.latimes.com/bu...story.html


Trump Administration Officials Hold Briefing At The White House
Gary Cohn, director of the White House National Economic Council

Gary Cohn, the top White House economic advisor, was onstage making the Trump administration’s case that a huge cut in corporate taxes would trigger a surge of business investments.

Then came an off-the-cuff question to business leaders listening to Cohn at the Wall Street Journal CEO Council meeting last week: How many will increase investments if the Republican tax plan is enacted?

TV coverage showed about three dozen executives sitting near the stage. Only three of them appeared to raise their hands. An incredulous Cohn responded: “Why aren’t the other hands up?”



3 out of 36 CEO's said they would increase investments - THREE!

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Reply #8 posted 11/26/17 1:56pm

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poppys said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Other than they are jelous or want free stuff... why do so many people get all mad when a tax cut is proposed?


Because many of us know that trickle down NEVER happens. The cut is for the wealthiest few with money. They get it, hoard it and compare it to their competitor's hoards. THEY want the free stuff.*

*I love the poorly educated! hammer


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so then you are just jealous? why is it bad for people to keep MORE of what they earned?

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Reply #9 posted 11/27/17 12:32am

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finally a president who takes care of the ones who need it most! filthy greedy rich cunts who still want MORE!

Yay!!

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Reply #10 posted 11/27/17 12:36am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

poppys said:


Because many of us know that trickle down NEVER happens. The cut is for the wealthiest few with money. They get it, hoard it and compare it to their competitor's hoards. THEY want the free stuff.*

*I love the poorly educated! hammer


so then you are just jealous? why is it bad for people to keep MORE of what they earned?

newsflash: we live in a societey who works only with taxes. NO taxes would meen NO goverment no military no police no judges no fire department no roads

if EVERYONE keeps MORE of what they earned it will simply not work.

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Reply #11 posted 11/27/17 4:01am

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BombSquad said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

so then you are just jealous? why is it bad for people to keep MORE of what they earned?

newsflash: we live in a societey who works only with taxes. NO taxes would meen NO goverment no military no police no judges no fire department no roads

if EVERYONE keeps MORE of what they earned it will simply not work.

[Edited 11/27/17 0:38am]


I said more not all. If about 40% pay no federal income tax why should some income be taxed at 40%?

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Reply #12 posted 11/27/17 7:28am

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I am not sure if the GOP has introduced any major legislation that at least 50% of the country supports. Amazing. They are not governing for US; they are governing for special interests.

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Reply #13 posted 11/27/17 7:31am

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RodeoSchro said:

I am not sure if the GOP has introduced any major legislation that at least 50% of the country supports. Amazing. They are not governing for US; they are governing for special interests.

close to 50% pay no or very little federal income tax... so this is hardly a reflection of actual approval or disapproval.

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Reply #14 posted 11/27/17 9:32am

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Denmark has a sixty percent tax, wow.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

RodeoSchro said:

I am not sure if the GOP has introduced any major legislation that at least 50% of the country supports. Amazing. They are not governing for US; they are governing for special interests.

close to 50% pay no or very little federal income tax... so this is hardly a reflection of actual approval or disapproval.



Can you find any proposal put forth by the GOP Congress this past year that has a 50% or better approval rating? Repeal ObamaCare? Nope. Travel ban? Nope. Tax plan? Nope. What else is there?

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While we're waiting on some GOP proposals - or ANY proposal - that ever garnered at least 50% approval from the citizens of the United States of America, let's go back to this horrendous tax proposal which, by the way, only has a 25% approval rating and a 52% disapproval rating (Quinnipiac 11/15 poll).

This tax proposal is just a disaster...unless you're rich and/or have "Trump" for a last name. As I've said many times before, our current president is a grifter whose main/sole ambition is to use the presidency to enrich himself. This is why you see such a push for the "pass-through" tax cut, as well as absolute support for the elimination of the estate tax. I will promise you that these are the only two things our genius president really cares about. He could not care less about YOUR tax rate.

In fact, this GOP tax plan screws you unless, like I said, you're rich. And it screws the United States of America because it adds at least $1.4 trillion to our national debt, but the reality is it will add more like $3 trillion to it.

Think about this:

The GOP tax plan will add more to our debt than the Iraq and Afghanistan wars did.

Here is a great article from Vox, and in it are other great links that show what a disaster this plan is. I hope you take the time to read it and click through on a couple of the links:

https://www.vox.com/polic...inequality

Call your Senator too. Let them know this is a disastrous rip-off. Call 202-224-3121. Hey, look at that! It's got a Prince album title in it, so that's a sign that you HAVE to call!

yes

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In addition, the economy is growing and unemployment is low. This is the time to retire debt, so when the next recession comes, the US has the fiscal firepower to fight it. If these cuts are a good idea, then they are a good idea worth paying for now.

(And in case this actually needs to be said: No, the tax cuts will not pay for themselves.)

The bill creates a health insurance crisis it has no idea how to solve. You might remember that at the end of the repeal-and-replace debate, Republicans came up with a last-ditch proposal that quickly got dubbed “skinny repeal.” Skinny repeal ended the Affordable Care Act’s individual mandate and replaced it with ... nothing. This was understood, at the time, as a very bad idea. It was such a bad idea that Senate Republicans would only vote for it on the promise that the House wouldn’t pass it into law.

Now it’s back. But this time, Republicans are thinking of actually making it law. According to the Congressional Budget Office, repealing the individual mandate would save $330 billion — and Republicans want to pocket that $330 billion and use it to finance their tax cuts. But the way that money gets saved is that 13 million fewer people get health insurance.


OUCH!!! This should be illegal.


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poppys said:

In addition, the economy is growing and unemployment is low. This is the time to retire debt, so when the next recession comes, the US has the fiscal firepower to fight it. If these cuts are a good idea, then they are a good idea worth paying for now.

(And in case this actually needs to be said: No, the tax cuts will not pay for themselves.)

The bill creates a health insurance crisis it has no idea how to solve. You might remember that at the end of the repeal-and-replace debate, Republicans came up with a last-ditch proposal that quickly got dubbed “skinny repeal.” Skinny repeal ended the Affordable Care Act’s individual mandate and replaced it with ... nothing. This was understood, at the time, as a very bad idea. It was such a bad idea that Senate Republicans would only vote for it on the promise that the House wouldn’t pass it into law.

Now it’s back. But this time, Republicans are thinking of actually making it law. According to the Congressional Budget Office, repealing the individual mandate would save $330 billion — and Republicans want to pocket that $330 billion and use it to finance their tax cuts. But the way that money gets saved is that 13 million fewer people get health insurance.


OUCH!!! This should be illegal.


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what should be illegal? changing a law? are you SURE that is what you want? (Hint: you do not want that--for one it seems to create a paradox... pass a law saying that no laws can be changed but that law itself is changing laws and does that no change law apply to itself?)

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Only, according to the bill your and my taxes will go up.

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Reply #20 posted 11/28/17 10:03am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Only, according to the bill your and my taxes will go up.

yeah i am aware...

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lol

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Reply #22 posted 11/29/17 6:37am

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This is going to devastate homeowners in some areas if they cap the deductions like they want to. There is just nothing good about this bill.

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poppys said:

This is going to devastate homeowners in some areas if they cap the deductions like they want to. There is just nothing good about this bill.



It's a pay-off ot special interests. In this case, the special interest group is the 1%.

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Reply #24 posted 11/29/17 7:14am

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RodeoSchro said:

poppys said:

This is going to devastate homeowners in some areas if they cap the deductions like they want to. There is just nothing good about this bill.



It's a pay-off ot special interests. In this case, the special interest group is the 1%.

Really. Maybe we need a list (lol) on this thread of the people who have lost their sh** - our Congress.

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Reply #25 posted 11/29/17 7:19am

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poppys said:

This is going to devastate homeowners in some areas if they cap the deductions like they want to. There is just nothing good about this bill.

only for NEW mortgages and only over $500K so cry me a river that rich people have to pay more....

what is really messed up is the elimination of the dependent exemptions. Doubling the standard deduction will help a little and even with that many middle-class families will pay more.

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Only, let's make a deal: Only cut taxes to people who actually created jobs?

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2freaky4church1 said:

Only, let's make a deal: Only cut taxes to people who actually created jobs?



That's what Bill Clinton did and it worked very well.

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Reply #28 posted 11/30/17 6:40am

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RodeoSchro said:

poppys said:

This is going to devastate homeowners in some areas if they cap the deductions like they want to. There is just nothing good about this bill.



It's a pay-off to special interests. In this case, the special interest group is the 1%.

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RodeoSchro said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Only, let's make a deal: Only cut taxes to people who actually created jobs?



That's what Bill Clinton did and it worked very well.

I know he raised my taxes

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