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ThatWhiteDude

What are the real issues with immigrants? (NOT WHAT SOME MIGHT THINK)

So, I really thought about if I should write it. But it's like a storm inside of me that needs to be freed, so I'll just write it down. I think some of ya'll will agree with me. So here I go:

As you know, many people need to run away from their homes, leaving loved ones behind, their home, just everything. Some of them don't even make it on their way to europe or america and even tho others hear about them stories, they still dare to try it.

If they make it, they face hate instead of love. People show them that they're not welcomed. And here's where I start to think "WHY DO SOME PEOPLE HATE THEM?" You know, a lot of them say: "We have nothing against them, it's their religion." Crap like that but you know what I witnessed? You wanna know the hard truth?

It's not the religion, it's so much more than that, and I can asure you that, because I witnessed that. I think that's real issue here and I also think that this shouldn't only be said on forums like that, or on FB, Twitter etc. It should be said in the news, people should face the hard reality and that is, that most people got issues with them because they are not white. There I said it. Stick with me there, 'cause I'll explain that, trust me, I will.

I witnessed it, not on a personal level, because I am white myself, but I witnessed it during endless discussions and then I always asked the same question to different people. I asked: "What if the people came from russia? Would that make an issue?" And the answer always was: "No, because they are our people."

We got nothing really in common with the russians, the only thing there is is our skin color. And with that, they said it all. "We don't want them because they don't look enough like us." That's basically what they say. They got no issue with them because of the religion, because, russians aren't all christians, some of them are jews. And don't be fooled, not all muslims are religious but people still got issues with them when they come here.

And some of them go even further, they say that the refugees aren't as intelligent as we are. They look at them like they are "better apes". THAT'S HOW IT IS!!! And it makes my blood boil when I just think about that, because it seems like no one sees this racism.

I got a little story that will haunt me til I take my last breath. I was in a group where you could buy and sell things. One day, there was a white, german woman asking for baby clothes. People reacted and gave her things they didn't need anymore. Beautiful, right? Well, some hours later there was a refugee asking for the same thing. And as you can guess his german was not the best BUT HE TRIED SO FUCKING HARD MAN!!! You wanna know what the man got???? Stupid ass comments on his grammar. That's what he got. He was asking for baby clothes because his baby girl was on the way. Why did they help the white german mother and not the poor refugee? You can guess, but I am pretty sure what the reason was.

He got help in the end, but the racism still stands, it still showed me the ugly face of some of my fellow white people and the real issue with the immigrants.

I can see thru the bullshit some of them talk. I'm not blind. It's: "If they ain't white, they ain't my people. They are less than me." It's nothing new that some white people think that darker people aren't as smart as them. They say: "If they mix with us, we'll become a stupid race." That's really what they say.

So no, I don't buy them stupid ass lies on why people are against the immigrants, 'cause more than enough showed me that the real issue is their blind disgusting racism.

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Reply #1 posted 11/06/17 10:13pm

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ThatWhiteDude said:

So, I really thought about if I should write it. But it's like a storm inside of me that needs to be freed, so I'll just write it down. I think some of ya'll will agree with me. So here I go:

As you know, many people need to run away from their homes, leaving loved ones behind, their home, just everything. Some of them don't even make it on their way to europe or america and even tho others hear about them stories, they still dare to try it.

If they make it, they face hate instead of love. People show them that they're not welcomed. And here's where I start to think "WHY DO SOME PEOPLE HATE THEM?" You know, a lot of them say: "We have nothing against them, it's their religion." Crap like that but you know what I witnessed? You wanna know the hard truth?

It's not the religion, it's so much more than that, and I can asure you that, because I witnessed that. I think that's real issue here and I also think that this shouldn't only be said on forums like that, or on FB, Twitter etc. It should be said in the news, people should face the hard reality and that is, that most people got issues with them because they are not white. There I said it. Stick with me there, 'cause I'll explain that, trust me, I will.

I witnessed it, not on a personal level, because I am white myself, but I witnessed it during endless discussions and then I always asked the same question to different people. I asked: "What if the people came from russia? Would that make an issue?" And the answer always was: "No, because they are our people."

We got nothing really in common with the russians, the only thing there is is our skin color. And with that, they said it all. "We don't want them because they don't look enough like us." That's basically what they say. They got no issue with them because of the religion, because, russians aren't all christians, some of them are jews. And don't be fooled, not all muslims are religious but people still got issues with them when they come here.

And some of them go even further, they say that the refugees aren't as intelligent as we are. They look at them like they are "better apes". THAT'S HOW IT IS!!! And it makes my blood boil when I just think about that, because it seems like no one sees this racism.

I got a little story that will haunt me til I take my last breath. I was in a group where you could buy and sell things. One day, there was a white, german woman asking for baby clothes. People reacted and gave her things they didn't need anymore. Beautiful, right? Well, some hours later there was a refugee asking for the same thing. And as you can guess his german was not the best BUT HE TRIED SO FUCKING HARD MAN!!! You wanna know what the man got???? Stupid ass comments on his grammar. That's what he got. He was asking for baby clothes because his baby girl was on the way. Why did they help the white german mother and not the poor refugee? You can guess, but I am pretty sure what the reason was.

He got help in the end, but the racism still stands, it still showed me the ugly face of some of my fellow white people and the real issue with the immigrants.

I can see thru the bullshit some of them talk. I'm not blind. It's: "If they ain't white, they ain't my people. They are less than me." It's nothing new that some white people think that darker people aren't as smart as them. They say: "If they mix with us, we'll become a stupid race." That's really what they say.

So no, I don't buy them stupid ass lies on why people are against the immigrants, 'cause more than enough showed me that the real issue is their blind disgusting racism.

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Then what about the issues in the UK about European immigrants? This is seen as a huge reason for the Brexit vote.

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Reply #2 posted 11/07/17 2:09am

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Then what about the issues in the UK about European immigrants? This is seen as a huge reason for the Brexit vote.


immigrants create jobs.
More people increases demand on goods and services.
When an immigrant takes a job they are also creating jobs from their needs for goods and services.

If there were no immigrants the issue with job creation would still be the same.
As a combination of placing profits before jobs and also technological advancement which has removed the need for much of the industrial work force is the reason for the issue with job creation.


Applying worth to things we previously refused to see as valueable contributions to society will need to happen.


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Reply #3 posted 11/07/17 2:28am

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As the OP stated it's most of the times simply racism.
Immigration fears don't even make any logical sense.


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Reply #4 posted 11/07/17 5:35am

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Don't you lot worry, I would never want to emigrate to the USA or, after Brexit, the UK.
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Reply #5 posted 11/07/17 7:09am

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ThatWhiteDude said:

most people got issues with them because they are not white. There I said it.


That's plain and utter Bullshit.
Issue is that we let people in from whom we don't know much, if anything at all.
The majority of the refugees aren't refugees at all.
And by some kind of miracle, they're all under age, don't have a passport and all come from Syria.

What they come to do here is to live off our wellfare and dissapear into illegality.

Example of that was a 'Syrian refugee' in Germany who managed to register in 15 different cities and made over €5000 a month, wheras a normal worker would have an income of about €2000 - €2200 a month

The other thing is that, once they're here, refuse to adapt to our values, rules and laws. They import their own little problems like conflict the Kurds and Turks (see Antwerp 2 weeks ago) or the Sunni vs Shiïtes. Or Serbs and Croates. Or Ukrainians and Russians.


And yes, religion also playes a role. There are parts of big European cities where muslims live according to the sharia laws.

And once they're judged to be refused as a refugees, we don't kick them out.


That's why people 'hate' immigrants. They don't contribute to our society, they refuse to integrate and they only cost money.

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Reply #6 posted 11/07/17 8:22am

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TweetyV6 said:



ThatWhiteDude said:


most people got issues with them because they are not white. There I said it.






That's plain and utter Bullshit.
Issue is that we let people in from whom we don't know much, if anything at all.
The majority of the refugees aren't refugees at all.
And by some kind of miracle, they're all under age, don't have a passport and all come from Syria.

What they come to do here is to live off our wellfare and dissapear into illegality.


Example of that was a 'Syrian refugee' in Germany who managed to register in 15 different cities and made over €5000 a month, wheras a normal worker would have an income of about €2000 - €2200 a month

The other thing is that, once they're here, refuse to adapt to our values, rules and laws. They import their own little problems like conflict the Kurds and Turks (see Antwerp 2 weeks ago) or the Sunni vs Shiïtes. Or Serbs and Croates. Or Ukrainians and Russians.



And yes, religion also playes a role. There are parts of big European cities where muslims live according to the sharia laws.

And once they're judged to be refused as a refugees, we don't kick them out.


That's why people 'hate' immigrants. They don't contribute to our society, they refuse to integrate and they only cost money.


It's not bullshit, they told me their issue.

And you are right, not everyone comes from syria. But they are from other countries with a fucked up economy and the US, germany, France and britain can be blamed for that also.
The western people live off of their misery, what is left for them? Nothing.

The germans and other people in the West are greedy bitches.
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Reply #7 posted 11/07/17 9:44am

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Immigration laws were first used to keep out brown people.

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Reply #8 posted 11/07/17 1:47pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Immigration laws were first used to keep out brown people.

And still some people say it got nothing to do with racism

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[Edited 11/7/17 14:24pm]
"It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non-violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection" – Lesley Hazleton on the first muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #10 posted 11/07/17 2:25pm

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TweetyV6 said:



ThatWhiteDude said:


most people got issues with them because they are not white. There I said it.






They import their own little problems like conflict the Kurds and Turks (see Antwerp 2 weeks ago) or the Sunni vs Shiïtes. Or Serbs and Croates. Or Ukrainians and Russians.



And yes, religion also playes a role


should you also ban white people too or they might bring their English vs Irish, Aryan v Jew etc of interracial conflicts?
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Reply #11 posted 11/07/17 2:38pm

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Conflicts exist among white people too, like their issue with people who aren't white! This is no valid reason to be against immigrants and just shows me that you seem to be racist as well. And what's so bad about islam? It's not an evil religion, terrorists don't represent islam.

TweetyV6 said:


They import their own little problems like conflict the Kurds and Turks (see Antwerp 2 weeks ago) or the Sunni vs Shiïtes. Or Serbs and Croates. Or Ukrainians and Russians.


And yes, religion also playes a role

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Reply #12 posted 11/07/17 3:02pm

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ThatWhiteDude said:

Conflicts exist among white people too, like their issue with people who aren't white! This is no valid reason to be against immigrants and just shows me that you seem to be racist as well. And what's so bad about islam? It's not an evil religion, terrorists don't represent islam.



hausofmoi7 said:


TweetyV6 said:



They import their own little problems like conflict the Kurds and Turks (see Antwerp 2 weeks ago) or the Sunni vs Shiïtes. Or Serbs and Croates. Or Ukrainians and Russians.



And yes, religion also playes a role



should you also ban white people too or they might bring their English vs Irish, Aryan v Jew etc of interracial conflicts? [Edited 11/7/17 14:28pm]


I agree with you.
I was pointing out how ridiculous their comment was.
Interracial and cultural conflicts happen everywhere.
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Reply #13 posted 11/07/17 3:11pm

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hausofmoi7 said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Conflicts exist among white people too, like their issue with people who aren't white! This is no valid reason to be against immigrants and just shows me that you seem to be racist as well. And what's so bad about islam? It's not an evil religion, terrorists don't represent islam.

I agree with you. I was pointing out how ridiculous their comment was. Interracial and cultural conflicts happen everywhere.

I know I answered to another poster biggrin That bold comment over your comment

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Reply #14 posted 11/07/17 6:35pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Immigration laws were first used to keep out brown people.

You are right. They don't want us, they hate us.

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Reply #15 posted 11/07/17 8:17pm

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ThatWhiteDude said:



2freaky4church1 said:


Immigration laws were first used to keep out brown people.



And still some people say it got nothing to do with racism


I agree, that racism plays its part in immigration laws.

I believe that many who fear immigrants, is due to the possibility of the accomplishments and success of immigrants, especially when many immigrants later become citizens. Many native-born citizens would then have to compete with them for jobs. If immigrants become citizens, then they have as much right to compete in the job market, and contribute to the economy.
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hausofmoi7 said:

Then what about the issues in the UK about European immigrants? This is seen as a huge reason for the Brexit vote.
immigrants create jobs. More people increases demand on goods and services. When an immigrant takes a job they are also creating jobs from their needs for goods and services. If there were no immigrants the issue with job creation would still be the same. As a combination of placing profits before jobs and also technological advancement which has removed the need for much of the industrial work force is the reason for the issue with job creation. Applying worth to things we previously refused to see as valueable contributions to society will need to happen. . [Edited 11/7/17 5:20am]

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I agree completely - But this was not my point. The OP was made a claim that people are against immigrants if they are Black and not White - This is wrong when you look at the anti-white immigration in the UK that contributed to the Brexit poll result.

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Reply #17 posted 11/08/17 8:40am

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IanRG said:

hausofmoi7 said:

immigrants create jobs. More people increases demand on goods and services. When an immigrant takes a job they are also creating jobs from their needs for goods and services. If there were no immigrants the issue with job creation would still be the same. As a combination of placing profits before jobs and also technological advancement which has removed the need for much of the industrial work force is the reason for the issue with job creation. Applying worth to things we previously refused to see as valueable contributions to society will need to happen. . [Edited 11/7/17 5:20am]

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I agree completely - But this was not my point. The OP was made a claim that people are against immigrants if they are Black and not White - This is wrong when you look at the anti-white immigration in the UK that contributed to the Brexit poll result.

Can you read? I didn't just make a claim, the people I've talked to literally told me that they wouldn't have any issues if the immigrants where russians, because they are "our People", simply because russians are white! That's what I hear very often.

Most of the people got issues because the immigrants are brown. Did you ever read the comments on Facebook? What the people there say about the immigrants? Most of the comments are racist motivated. I witness that bullshit on a daily basis.

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Reply #18 posted 11/08/17 12:35pm

IanRG

ThatWhiteDude said:

IanRG said:

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I agree completely - But this was not my point. The OP was made a claim that people are against immigrants if they are Black and not White - This is wrong when you look at the anti-white immigration in the UK that contributed to the Brexit poll result.

Can you read? I didn't just make a claim, the people I've talked to literally told me that they wouldn't have any issues if the immigrants where russians, because they are "our People", simply because russians are white! That's what I hear very often.

Most of the people got issues because the immigrants are brown. Did you ever read the comments on Facebook? What the people there say about the immigrants? Most of the comments are racist motivated. I witness that bullshit on a daily basis.

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Can you read? What a question!

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That you say you spoke to some people who said this does not mean that these people represents the entirety of the views of all people. I note that nothing you said addressed that the Brexit vote was largely determined by mostly white people (the voters in the UK) who were upset with mostly white immigration from within the EU - especially the people from Eastern Europe, ie racially similar to the white Russians.

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The feed people get from Facebook is determined by your family, friends and comments. My feed is based on my friends and family, so it is not full of racist arguments against "brown" immigrants. Mine is full of things about family and friends, dogs, things going on in Australia, Myanmar, Thailand etc., the never ending stupidity of a certain US President and that country's fatal obsession with guns, puns, local news from Nothern NSW, Australian politics generally from a left wing perspective, Naval history, literature, brain teasers. What you see is driven by what you read and post and the types of people you associate with.

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Reply #19 posted 11/08/17 1:00pm

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IanRG said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

Can you read? I didn't just make a claim, the people I've talked to literally told me that they wouldn't have any issues if the immigrants where russians, because they are "our People", simply because russians are white! That's what I hear very often.

Most of the people got issues because the immigrants are brown. Did you ever read the comments on Facebook? What the people there say about the immigrants? Most of the comments are racist motivated. I witness that bullshit on a daily basis.

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Can you read? What a question!

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That you say you spoke to some people who said this does not mean that these people represents the entirety of the views of all people. I note that nothing you said addressed that the Brexit vote was largely determined by mostly white people (the voters in the UK) who were upset with mostly white immigration from within the EU - especially the people from Eastern Europe, ie racially similar to the white Russians.

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The feed people get from Facebook is determined by your family, friends and comments. My feed is based on my friends and family, so it is not full of racist arguments against "brown" immigrants. Mine is full of things about family and friends, dogs, things going on in Australia, Myanmar, Thailand etc., the never ending stupidity of a certain US President and that country's fatal obsession with guns, puns, local news from Nothern NSW, Australian politics generally from a left wing perspective, Naval history, literature, brain teasers. What you see is driven by what you read and post and the types of people you associate with.

That's not fully true. I don't have any racists on my list, are you crazy? I subscribet to political magazines, and everytime something happens, the other readers blame the refugees. I talk about germany, we get refugees from Syria and outher countries. And they are not a few people who are racist towards them, infact, there are so many that a right wing party got 13% in our election. Do you have any idea what the situation in europe is? No? Well, I can tell you that if we don't act, the right wings win again. I could tell you about the racism against the refugees in germany, I got so many disgusting stories, I wouldn't get finished!

And you brought the brexit up, not me. Oh and while we're on the subject, the guy in england (who looks similar to Trump), is a racist as well, just like Trump. And he voted for the brexit as well. Didn't it all start because of the the refugees? The whole brexit shit? And there's more to it too, they are, as I stated before, greedy and selfish bitches who don't wanna share their cake with others.

Just like germans. The whole spain and greek story, we live off of their misery, just like we do with africa, Iran, Irak etc. We steal from them, and when they runaway from their country, because there is nothing left, people lose their shit!

"They take our jobs!" "They take our money!" They take everythinga!" None of them steals their jobs, you can't lose the job you have, and why are they getting mad if a refugee gets a job they didn't even apply to?

Most of the comments FROM STRANGERS NOT ASSOCIATES OF ME, are racist motivated.

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Reply #20 posted 11/08/17 1:23pm

IanRG

ThatWhiteDude said:

IanRG said:

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Can you read? What a question!

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That you say you spoke to some people who said this does not mean that these people represents the entirety of the views of all people. I note that nothing you said addressed that the Brexit vote was largely determined by mostly white people (the voters in the UK) who were upset with mostly white immigration from within the EU - especially the people from Eastern Europe, ie racially similar to the white Russians.

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The feed people get from Facebook is determined by your family, friends and comments. My feed is based on my friends and family, so it is not full of racist arguments against "brown" immigrants. Mine is full of things about family and friends, dogs, things going on in Australia, Myanmar, Thailand etc., the never ending stupidity of a certain US President and that country's fatal obsession with guns, puns, local news from Nothern NSW, Australian politics generally from a left wing perspective, Naval history, literature, brain teasers. What you see is driven by what you read and post and the types of people you associate with.

That's not fully true. I don't have any racists on my list, are you crazy? I subscribet to political magazines, and everytime something happens, the other readers blame the refugees. I talk about germany, we get refugees from Syria and outher countries. And they are not a few people who are racist towards them, infact, there are so many that a right wing party got 13% in our election. Do you have any idea what the situation in europe is? No? Well, I can tell you that if we don't act, the right wings win again. I could tell you about the racism against the refugees in germany, I got so many disgusting stories, I wouldn't get finished!

And you brought the brexit up, not me. Oh and while we're on the subject, the guy in england (who looks similar to Trump), is a racist as well, just like Trump. And he voted for the brexit as well. Didn't it all start because of the the refugees? The whole brexit shit? And there's more to it too, they are, as I stated before, greedy and selfish bitches who don't wanna share their cake with others.

Just like germans. The whole spain and greek story, we live off of their misery, just like we do with africa, Iran, Irak etc. We steal from them, and when they runaway from their country, because there is nothing left, people lose their shit!

"They take our jobs!" "They take our money!" They take everythinga!" None of them steals their jobs, you can't lose the job you have, and why are they getting mad if a refugee gets a job they didn't even apply to?

Most of the comments FROM STRANGERS NOT ASSOCIATES OF ME, are racist motivated.

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You just confirmed that it is "fully true" - You subscribe to political magazines and this is the source of the comments you see but I don't.

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13% means 87% did not vote far right. Who are the few, the 13% or the 87%?

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Yes I brought Brexit up - I brought it up because it is mostly white people complaining about mostly white European immigrants. It directly counters your "its only because they are brown" argument.

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Just as the attacks against refugees and immigrants in Australia don't support your colour argument. We attacked the Irish, the Chinese, the Greeks, the Italians, the Serbs, the Croats, the Vietnamese etc. etc. Indeed as most of the current refugees come from the Middle East, Asia or Africa, it is those that are less brown that are attacked more - the people from countiries in the Middle East.

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If you associate by subscription with political motivated strangers, then politically motivated strangers are your associates. Look at your name: it is racially motivated. Look at your thread: it is racially motivated click bait. That you agree with some of the politically motivated and not the others does not mean you are not associating with the politically motivated.

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Reply #21 posted 11/08/17 1:45pm

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IanRG said:

ThatWhiteDude said:

That's not fully true. I don't have any racists on my list, are you crazy? I subscribet to political magazines, and everytime something happens, the other readers blame the refugees. I talk about germany, we get refugees from Syria and outher countries. And they are not a few people who are racist towards them, infact, there are so many that a right wing party got 13% in our election. Do you have any idea what the situation in europe is? No? Well, I can tell you that if we don't act, the right wings win again. I could tell you about the racism against the refugees in germany, I got so many disgusting stories, I wouldn't get finished!

And you brought the brexit up, not me. Oh and while we're on the subject, the guy in england (who looks similar to Trump), is a racist as well, just like Trump. And he voted for the brexit as well. Didn't it all start because of the the refugees? The whole brexit shit? And there's more to it too, they are, as I stated before, greedy and selfish bitches who don't wanna share their cake with others.

Just like germans. The whole spain and greek story, we live off of their misery, just like we do with africa, Iran, Irak etc. We steal from them, and when they runaway from their country, because there is nothing left, people lose their shit!

"They take our jobs!" "They take our money!" They take everythinga!" None of them steals their jobs, you can't lose the job you have, and why are they getting mad if a refugee gets a job they didn't even apply to?

Most of the comments FROM STRANGERS NOT ASSOCIATES OF ME, are racist motivated.

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You just confirmed that it is "fully true" - You subscribe to political magazines and this is the source of the comments you see but I don't.

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13% means 87% did not vote far right. Who are the few, the 13% or the 87%?

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Yes I brought Brexit up - I brought it up because it is mostly white people complaining about mostly white European immigrants. It directly counters your "its only because they are brown" argument.

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Just as the attacks against refugees and immigrants in Australia don't support your colour argument. We attacked the Irish, the Chinese, the Greeks, the Italians, the Serbs, the Croats, the Vietnamese etc. etc. Indeed as most of the current refugees come from the Middle East, Asia or Africa, it is those that are less brown that are attacked more - the people from countiries in the Middle East.

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If you associate by subscription with political motivated strangers, then politically motivated strangers are your associates. Look at your name: it is racially motivated. Look at your thread: it is racially motivated click bait. That you agree with some of the politically motivated and not the others does not mean you are not associating with the politically motivated.

Okay, then why did you attack them? Well, the comments I witness prove that mostly none white people are being discriminated, I haven't seen any discrimination against white refugees so far.

And I am still talking about europe, if you didn't get that by now. And the situation here is, that MOST people are attacking the refugees because they are brown. I WITNESS THIS ON A DAILY BASIS ON FB etc. How often do I have to repeat that? I see it everyday.

Okay, I tell you now what I read on a daily basis, comments against none white immigrants. Believe, there are much more nazis than these 13%.

"Apes", "Donkey fuckers", "N***ers", "Islamic bastards" "Fuck these suicide Bombers", "NAFRIS" (That slur was even used by german police officers against north african men). They even started a campaign against these men on New Years eve (2015), because "The Nafris could've been rapists." Funny thing is, that no white man was being arrested, because they aren't labeled as suspects.

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IanRG said:

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You just confirmed that it is "fully true" - You subscribe to political magazines and this is the source of the comments you see but I don't.

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13% means 87% did not vote far right. Who are the few, the 13% or the 87%?

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Yes I brought Brexit up - I brought it up because it is mostly white people complaining about mostly white European immigrants. It directly counters your "its only because they are brown" argument.

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Just as the attacks against refugees and immigrants in Australia don't support your colour argument. We attacked the Irish, the Chinese, the Greeks, the Italians, the Serbs, the Croats, the Vietnamese etc. etc. Indeed as most of the current refugees come from the Middle East, Asia or Africa, it is those that are less brown that are attacked more - the people from countiries in the Middle East.

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If you associate by subscription with political motivated strangers, then politically motivated strangers are your associates. Look at your name: it is racially motivated. Look at your thread: it is racially motivated click bait. That you agree with some of the politically motivated and not the others does not mean you are not associating with the politically motivated.

Okay, then why did you attack them? Well, the comments I witness prove that mostly none white people are being discriminated, I haven't seen any discrimination against white refugees so far.

And I am still talking about europe, if you didn't get that by now. And the situation here is, that MOST people are attacking the refugees because they are brown. I WITNESS THIS ON A DAILY BASIS ON FB etc. How often do I have to repeat that? I see it everyday.

Okay, I tell you now what I read on a daily basis, comments against none white immigrants. Believe, there are much more nazis than these 13%.

"Apes", "Donkey fuckers", "N***ers", "Islamic bastards" "Fuck these suicide Bombers", "NAFRIS" (That slur was even used by german police officers against north african men). They even started a campaign against these men on New Years eve (2015), because "The Nafris could've been rapists." Funny thing is, that no white man was being arrested, because they aren't labeled as suspects.

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Personally, I did not attack anyone - My point was that people in Australia have attacked immigrants and refugees since 1788 and not just because of colour.

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You are being selective - the UK is part of Europe and these primarily white Europeans voted to leave the EU where a strong reason was because of discrimination against primarily white Europeans - In Europe, from Europe, so I gave a European example of white European discrimination against white Europeans - I am talking about Europe.

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In no way am I supporting discrimination or saying that there is no discrimination based on colour. You are apparently from Germany, so you would know that the Germans have a long history of discrimination against Slavs and Turks - Also not Black. Discrimination is against the other, not against one colour of the others.

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IanRG said:



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You just confirmed that it is "fully true" -You subscribe to political magazines and this is the source of the comments you see but I don't.


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13% means 87% did not vote far right. Who are the few, the 13% or the 87%?


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Yes I brought Brexit up - I brought it up because it is mostly white people complaining about mostly white European immigrants. It directly counters your "its only because they are brown" argument.


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Just as the attacks against refugees and immigrants in Australia don't support your colour argument. We attacked the Irish, the Chinese, the Greeks, the Italians, the Serbs, the Croats, the Vietnamese etc. etc. Indeed as most of the current refugees come from the Middle East, Asia or Africa, it is those that are less brown that are attacked more - the people from countiries in the Middle East.


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If you associate by subscription with political motivated strangers, then politically motivated strangers are your associates. Look at your name: it is racially motivated. Look at your thread: it is racially motivated click bait. That you agree with some of the politically motivated and not the others does not mean you are not associating with the politically motivated.



Okay, then why did you attack them? Well, the comments I witness prove that mostly none white people are being discriminated, I haven't seen any discrimination against white refugees so far.



And I am still talking about europe, if you didn't get that by now. And the situation here is, that MOST people are attacking the refugees because they are brown. I WITNESS THIS ON A DAILY BASIS ON FB etc. How often do I have to repeat that? I see it everyday.



Okay, I tell you now what I read on a daily basis, comments against none white immigrants. Believe, there are much more nazis than these 13%.



"Apes", "Donkey fuckers", "N***ers", "Islamic bastards" "Fuck these suicide Bombers", "NAFRIS" (That slur was even used by german police officers against north african men). They even started a campaign against these men on New Years eve (2015), because "The Nafris could've been rapists." Funny thing is, that no white man was being arrested, because they aren't labeled as suspects.





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Personally, I did not attack anyone - My point was that people in Australia have attacked immigrants and refugees since 1788 and not just because of colour.


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You are being selective - the UK is part of Europe and these primarily white Europeans voted to leave the EU where a strong reason was because of discrimination against primarily white Europeans - In Europe, from Europe, so I gave a European example of white European discrimination against white Europeans - I am talking about Europe.


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In no way am I supporting discrimination or saying that there is no discrimination based on colour. You are apparently from Germany, so you would know that the Germans have a long history of discrimination against Slavs and Turks - Also not Black. Discrimination is against the other, not against one colour of the others.


Interestingly in places like Australia before Asian and African immigrants, Italians and Greeks were considered not white and a threat to Anglo Saxonism and the dominant oppressive structure.
Over time and perhaps contrasted with Asian and then African immigrants Italians and Greeks were then considered white by the main stream.
Race is a flimsy construct where the goal posts can be moved in order to serve political and power dynamics.


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"It means finding the very human narrative of a man navigating between idealism and pragmatism, faith and politics, non-violence, the pitfalls of acclaim as the perils of rejection" – Lesley Hazleton on the first muslim, the prophet.
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Reply #24 posted 11/09/17 1:25am

IanRG

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IanRG said:

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Personally, I did not attack anyone - My point was that people in Australia have attacked immigrants and refugees since 1788 and not just because of colour.

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You are being selective - the UK is part of Europe and these primarily white Europeans voted to leave the EU where a strong reason was because of discrimination against primarily white Europeans - In Europe, from Europe, so I gave a European example of white European discrimination against white Europeans - I am talking about Europe.

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In no way am I supporting discrimination or saying that there is no discrimination based on colour. You are apparently from Germany, so you would know that the Germans have a long history of discrimination against Slavs and Turks - Also not Black. Discrimination is against the other, not against one colour of the others.

Interestingly in places like Australia before Asian and African immigrants, Italians and Greeks were considered not white and a threat to Anglo Saxonism and the dominant oppressive structure. Over time and perhaps contrasted with Asian and then African immigrants Italians and Greeks were then considered white by the main stream. Race is a flimsy construct where the goal posts can be moved in order to serve political and power dynamics. . [Edited 11/9/17 1:05am]

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What is the definition of race is important. Outside of the US (where so many of the victims of slavery also lost their cultural identity and are just collectively grouoed using terms terms like "African-American" and worse), race can be much more closely defined. The end result is the same - discrimination on the basis of racial/ethnic differences.

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However, whilst there was racism against the Greeks, Italians and other southern white Europeans in Australia, they were not considered non-white, just non-Anglo.

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IanRG said:



hausofmoi7 said:


IanRG said:


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Personally, I did not attack anyone - My point was that people in Australia have attacked immigrants and refugees since 1788 and not just because of colour.


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You are being selective - the UK is part of Europe and these primarily white Europeans voted to leave the EU where a strong reason was because of discrimination against primarily white Europeans - In Europe, from Europe, so I gave a European example of white European discrimination against white Europeans - I am talking about Europe.


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In no way am I supporting discrimination or saying that there is no discrimination based on colour. You are apparently from Germany, so you would know that the Germans have a long history of discrimination against Slavs and Turks - Also not Black. Discrimination is against the other, not against one colour of the others.



Interestingly in places like Australia before Asian and African immigrants, Italians and Greeks were considered not white and a threat to Anglo Saxonism and the dominant oppressive structure. Over time and perhaps contrasted with Asian and then African immigrants Italians and Greeks were then considered white by the main stream. Race is a flimsy construct where the goal posts can be moved in order to serve political and power dynamics. . [Edited 11/9/17 1:05am]

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What is the definition of race is important. Outside of the US (where so many of the victims of slavery also lost their cultural identity and are just collectively grouoed using terms terms like "African-American" and worse), race can be much more closely defined. The end result is the same - discrimination on the basis of racial/ethnic differences.


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However, whilst there was racism against the Greeks, Italians and other southern white Europeans in Australia, they were not considered non-white, just non-Anglo.


You think so?
Interestingly for example, if you are mixed race, black people generally will consider you "black", or just simply 'one of us'.
White people however will label you as "non white", "ethnic" or "mixed race".

"race" or racial identity is dictated by whiteness.




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Reply #26 posted 11/09/17 4:18am

IanRG

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IanRG said:

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What is the definition of race is important. Outside of the US (where so many of the victims of slavery also lost their cultural identity and are just collectively grouoed using terms terms like "African-American" and worse), race can be much more closely defined. The end result is the same - discrimination on the basis of racial/ethnic differences.

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However, whilst there was racism against the Greeks, Italians and other southern white Europeans in Australia, they were not considered non-white, just non-Anglo.

You think so? Interestingly for example, if you are mixed race, black people generally will consider you "black", or just simply 'one of us'. White people however will be the ones to label you "non white" or "ethnic" or "mixed race". "race" or racial identity is dictated by whiteness. . [Edited 11/9/17 3:59am]

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So how do you explain my friend who is considered in her country of birth as mixed race? Her mother is Chinese and her Father is Indan. Worse than that she is not Muslim. She left Malaysia and came to Australia because her race or racial identity meant that she was not considered Chinese by the Chinese and not Malay by the Government. Which bit of her is dictated by her whiteness?

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IanRG said:



hausofmoi7 said:


IanRG said:


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What is the definition of race is important. Outside of the US (where so many of the victims of slavery also lost their cultural identity and are just collectively grouoed using terms terms like "African-American" and worse), race can be much more closely defined. The end result is the same - discrimination on the basis of racial/ethnic differences.


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However, whilst there was racism against the Greeks, Italians and other southern white Europeans in Australia, they were not considered non-white, just non-Anglo.



You think so? Interestingly for example, if you are mixed race, black people generally will consider you "black", or just simply 'one of us'. White people however will be the ones to label you "non white" or "ethnic" or "mixed race". "race" or racial identity is dictated by whiteness. . [Edited 11/9/17 3:59am]

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So how do you explain my friend who is considered in her country of birth as mixed race? Her mother is Chinese and her Father is Indan. Worse than that she is not Muslim. She left Malaysia and came to Australia because her race or racial identity meant that she was not considered Chinese by the Chinese and not Malay by the Government. Which bit of her is dictated by her whiteness?



You're not getting what I said.
Just leave it.


However in western society your friend is considered "non white". So that is how whiteness affects her racial identity here.



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IanRG said:

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So how do you explain my friend who is considered in her country of birth as mixed race? Her mother is Chinese and her Father is Indan. Worse than that she is not Muslim. She left Malaysia and came to Australia because her race or racial identity meant that she was not considered Chinese by the Chinese and not Malay by the Government. Which bit of her is dictated by her whiteness?

You're not getting what I said. Just leave it. .We were discussing race within a western and european context.
that is also how my racial identity is constructed (through slavery) so I can't really speak on Chinese-Indo relations.

However in western society your friend is considered "non white". So that is how whiteness affects her racial identity here.

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I get you. It is not my fault your comment does not stand up to analyse.

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She is not considered non-white, she is considered Malaysian in Australia. She is not treated as mixed race here. She is not rejected by her own people here - She is enbraced by her fellow Malaysians here in a way that she was never treated in Malysia. Her racial identity is Malaysian in the West but not in Malaysia.

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IanRG said:



hausofmoi7 said:


IanRG said:


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So how do you explain my friend who is considered in her country of birth as mixed race? Her mother is Chinese and her Father is Indan. Worse than that she is not Muslim. She left Malaysia and came to Australia because her race or racial identity meant that she was not considered Chinese by the Chinese and not Malay by the Government. Which bit of her is dictated by her whiteness?



You're not getting what I said. Just leave it. . [Edited 11/9/17 4:54am]

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I get you. It is not my fault your comment does not stand up to analyse


We were discussing race within a western and european context.
Which is also how my racial identity is actually constructed (through slavery) so I can't really speak on Chinese-Indo relations in Malayasia, that is not my experience nor is it relevant to this discussion about "race and immigration in western and European nations"


You could discuss your friends experience with racism in Australia as it relates to this discussion.


I'm done though.



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