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Reply #330 posted 11/09/17 7:56am

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And APPLE can't open the phone. LOL! Not difficult to know what is on that phone.

I think we can all collectively say.
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Reply #331 posted 11/09/17 8:03am

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2elijah said:


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Lots of people becoming unhinged over Trump becoming President. Atheist shooting up a church I would expect more.



Trump is a president who was bent on racially dividing the country, before he was elected. Many trump voters were aware of that, before they made the choice of voting for him.


CNN and Hillary did that they made policies of citizenship and border control into racial issues. Furthermore is this justification to shoot up a church full of Trump voters?




Your typing in bold and colorful letters doesn't change the fact that Trump is president, not Hillary or CNN. So using Hillary and CNN and your obsessive hatred towards liberals to deflect, has failed.

The shooter happened to be a White male who murdered American citizens in a mass shooting. His crime was no different than Timothy McVeigh. He killed children and adults. No matter his race, the crime he committed was an act of domestic terrorism.
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Reply #332 posted 11/09/17 8:14am

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free2bFreeda2 said:


6 Nov 2017 Another domestic terrorism attack in the U.S., Texas gunman Devin Patrick Kelley opens fire during church service killing 26 : http://www.philasun.com/s...ch-service excerpt: The mass shooting in Texas by Devin Patrick Kelley which has left 26 dead is the third domestic terrorist attack in the US in less than a month. 🤔 why is there such an adamant backlash to labeling devin kelley's mass murders as being the act of domestic terrorism? an inquiring mind needs to know ¤¤¤ White American men are a bigger domestic terrorist threat than - Vox Vox › world › 2017/10 › las-ve... : https://www.google.com/am...rism-islam Oct 2, 2017 · White American men are a bigger domestic terrorist threat than Muslim ... in Las Vegas, the deadliest mass shooting in modern US


Articles of opinions do not change legal definitions.

I've said I'm not convinced that his motivations were not religiously motivated. For now, "they" are saying it's not.

As for Vegas, unless I missed something, no motivation has been given. I suspect (but do not know) that Vegas was indeed a terrorist act.



maybe you should evolve past your denial...
kelley devin was/is/and shall always be considered an anti-religious domestic terrorist.
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: https://www.fbi.gov/inves.../terrorism
Domestic terrorism:
Perpetrated by individuals and/or groups inspired by or associated with primarily U.S.-based movements that espouse extremist ideologies of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.
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Reply #333 posted 11/09/17 8:21am

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free2bFreeda2 said:

djThunderfunk said:


Articles of opinions do not change legal definitions.

I've said I'm not convinced that his motivations were not religiously motivated. For now, "they" are saying it's not.

As for Vegas, unless I missed something, no motivation has been given. I suspect (but do not know) that Vegas was indeed a terrorist act.


maybe you should evolve past your denial... kelley devin was/is/and shall always be considered an anti-religious domestic terrorist. >>> : https://www.fbi.gov/inves.../terrorism Domestic terrorism: Perpetrated by individuals and/or groups inspired by or associated with primarily U.S.-based movements that espouse extremist ideologies of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.


What "denial" are you talking about? I have clearly repeated that IF his motivations were indeed tied to his atheism and hatred for Christianity, THEN this was absolutely terrorism.

I even believe the odds are that this is the case and that "they" are lying when they tell us he was motivated by hatred for his ex's family. "They" have certainly offered no evidence to prove his motivations.

But the reality is, none of us here have evidence to prove his motivations either way. "They" might, but they haven't shared it if they do.

Therefore, we can either say "they" are lying about his motivations and this IS terrorism, or we can accept "their" narrative about his motivations, in which case this is NOT terrorism.

Do you think "they" (the authorites AND the media) are lying? If so, why do you think they're lying?


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Reply #334 posted 11/09/17 8:25am

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2elijah said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

CNN and Hillary did that they made policies of citizenship and border control into racial issues. Furthermore is this justification to shoot up a church full of Trump voters?

Your typing in bold and colorful letters doesn't change the fact that Trump is president, not Hillary or CNN. So using Hillary and CNN and your obsessive hatred towards liberals to deflect, has failed. The shooter happened to be a White male who murdered American citizens in a mass shooting. His crime was no different than Timothy McVeigh. He killed children and adults. No matter his race, the crime he committed was an act of domestic terrorism. [Edited 11/9/17 8:09am]

Just like Vegas shooting. All geared towards Trump voters.

I think we can all collectively say.
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Reply #335 posted 11/09/17 8:29am

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And APPLE can't open the phone. LOL! Not difficult to know what is on that phone.

Apple and the Gov are playing games. Apple says they offered to dump it in the first 48 hrs, but now it's too late. Apple is the new Gov if this is true.

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Reply #336 posted 11/09/17 8:33am

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2elijah said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

CNN and Hillary did that they made policies of citizenship and border control into racial issues. Furthermore is this justification to shoot up a church full of Trump voters?

Your typing in bold and colorful letters doesn't change the fact that Trump is president, not Hillary or CNN. So using Hillary and CNN and your obsessive hatred towards liberals to deflect, has failed.

The shooter happened to be a White male who murdered American citizens in a mass shooting. His crime was no different than Timothy McVeigh. He killed children and adults. No matter his race, the crime he committed was an act of domestic terrorism.

highfive Admire your stamina.

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Reply #337 posted 11/09/17 8:34am

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djThunderfunk said:



free2bFreeda2 said:


djThunderfunk said:



Articles of opinions do not change legal definitions.

I've said I'm not convinced that his motivations were not religiously motivated. For now, "they" are saying it's not.

As for Vegas, unless I missed something, no motivation has been given. I suspect (but do not know) that Vegas was indeed a terrorist act.




maybe you should evolve past your denial... kelley devin was/is/and shall always be considered an anti-religious domestic terrorist. >>> : https://www.fbi.gov/inves.../terrorism Domestic terrorism: Perpetrated by individuals and/or groups inspired by or associated with primarily U.S.-based movements that espouse extremist ideologies of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.


What "denial" are you talking about? I have clearly repeated that IF his motivations were indeed tied to his atheism and hatred for Christianity, THEN this was absolutely terrorism.

I even believe the odds are that this is the case and that "they" are lying when they tell us he was motivated by hatred for his ex's family. "They" have certainly offered no evidence to prove his motivations.

But the reality is, none of us here have evidence to prove his motivations either way. "They" might, but they haven't shared it if they do.

Therefore, we can either say "they" are lying about his motivations and this IS terrorism, or we can accept "their" narrative about his motivations, in which case this is NOT terrorism.

Do you think "they" (the authorites AND the media) are lying? If so, why do you think they're lying?


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so say yea😨
amidst all your pandering and shenanigans to get me and others to agree with your pov, u have yet to post solid info to backup you pov.
so,
i will leave u with the following:
"being confident you are right is not the same as being right."
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Reply #338 posted 11/09/17 8:36am

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poppys said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

And APPLE can't open the phone. LOL! Not difficult to know what is on that phone.

Apple and the Gov are playing games. Apple says they offered to dump it in the first 48 hrs, but now it's too late. Apple is the new Gov if this is true.

And the techies also know nothing about Vegas.

I think we can all collectively say.
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Reply #339 posted 11/09/17 8:44am

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free2bFreeda2 said:

djThunderfunk said:


What "denial" are you talking about? I have clearly repeated that IF his motivations were indeed tied to his atheism and hatred for Christianity, THEN this was absolutely terrorism.

I even believe the odds are that this is the case and that "they" are lying when they tell us he was motivated by hatred for his ex's family. "They" have certainly offered no evidence to prove his motivations.

But the reality is, none of us here have evidence to prove his motivations either way. "They" might, but they haven't shared it if they do.

Therefore, we can either say "they" are lying about his motivations and this IS terrorism, or we can accept "their" narrative about his motivations, in which case this is NOT terrorism.

Do you think "they" (the authorites AND the media) are lying? If so, why do you think they're lying?

so say yea 😨 i will leave u with the following: "being confident you are right is not the same as being right."


That could apply to me, you or the media and the authorities.

Are you saying that "they" are NOT lying, they are simply WRONG?

We were HERE, where were you?

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Reply #340 posted 11/09/17 8:45am

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free2bFreeda2 said:

djThunderfunk said:


What "denial" are you talking about? I have clearly repeated that IF his motivations were indeed tied to his atheism and hatred for Christianity, THEN this was absolutely terrorism.

I even believe the odds are that this is the case and that "they" are lying when they tell us he was motivated by hatred for his ex's family. "They" have certainly offered no evidence to prove his motivations.

But the reality is, none of us here have evidence to prove his motivations either way. "They" might, but they haven't shared it if they do.

Therefore, we can either say "they" are lying about his motivations and this IS terrorism, or we can accept "their" narrative about his motivations, in which case this is NOT terrorism.

Do you think "they" (the authorites AND the media) are lying? If so, why do you think they're lying?


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so say yea 😨 i will leave u with the following: "being confident you are right is not the same as being right."

that seems true. just like some of your deepest held beliefs are not true.

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Reply #341 posted 11/09/17 8:48am

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Vegas was no different. Targetted an event full of Trump voters. None of this is a mistake. Lets get real. Lets get hardcore with these liberals.

And you know who these people voted for? And how?


That's a bunch of NONSENSE! Vegas or the Church was not targeted because they were Trump voters, there is no way in hell to even know who these people voted for.


It's statements like yours, that creates false news. sad

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Reply #342 posted 11/09/17 8:56am

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And you know who these people voted for? And how?


That's a bunch of NONSENSE! Vegas or the Church was not targeted because they were Trump voters, there is no way in hell to even know who these people voted for.


It's statements like yours, that creates false news. sad


We don't know who the perps voted for, but we do know that most Christians are conservative and most country music fans are likely to lean conservative. So, a point could be made, that in both cases, the targets were conservative. Also, most atheists are liberal. No?

If these two mass shootings are indeed terrorism and the targets of both were conservatives, what are we to conclude?



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Reply #343 posted 11/09/17 8:57am

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PennyPurple said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Vegas was no different. Targetted an event full of Trump voters. None of this is a mistake. Lets get real. Lets get hardcore with these liberals.

And you know who these people voted for? And how?


That's a bunch of NONSENSE! Vegas or the Church was not targeted because they were Trump voters, there is no way in hell to even know who these people voted for.


It's statements like yours, that creates false news. sad

If you were going to shoot a Trump crowd you would target a country music festival or a Christian church in Texas.

I think we can all collectively say.
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Reply #344 posted 11/09/17 9:01am

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Really? Then why did Brad Paisley and Carrie Underwood do a bit about Trump should stop tweeting on the Country Music Awards last night?

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Reply #345 posted 11/09/17 9:02am

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djThunderfunk said:



free2bFreeda2 said:


djThunderfunk said:



What "denial" are you talking about? I have clearly repeated that IF his motivations were indeed tied to his atheism and hatred for Christianity, THEN this was absolutely terrorism.

I even believe the odds are that this is the case and that "they" are lying when they tell us he was motivated by hatred for his ex's family. "They" have certainly offered no evidence to prove his motivations.

But the reality is, none of us here have evidence to prove his motivations either way. "They" might, but they haven't shared it if they do.

Therefore, we can either say "they" are lying about his motivations and this IS terrorism, or we can accept "their" narrative about his motivations, in which case this is NOT terrorism.

Do you think "they" (the authorites AND the media) are lying? If so, why do you think they're lying?



so say yea 😨 i will leave u with the following: "being confident you are right is not the same as being right."


That could apply to me, you or the media and the authorities.

Are you saying that "they" are NOT lying, they are simply WRONG?


getting bored
seems you are trying to turn this/our debate into a one upmanship game. a game i refuse to play.
good bye. the day is still young. maybe you should go for a walk or something so you can sweat out a toxic need to coerce others to bend to your need to be right and a stronger need for everyone to be in agreement with your way of seeing things.
i hope you enjoy your (recommended) walk.👣
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Reply #346 posted 11/09/17 9:04am

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To the question about Paisley and Underwood....

Answer: Because most EVERYONE agrees that trumpclown should stop tweeting.

We were HERE, where were you?

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Reply #347 posted 11/09/17 9:06am

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

PennyPurple said:

And you know who these people voted for? And how?


That's a bunch of NONSENSE! Vegas or the Church was not targeted because they were Trump voters, there is no way in hell to even know who these people voted for.


It's statements like yours, that creates false news. sad

If you were going to shoot a Trump crowd you would target a country music festival or a Christian church in Texas.

That is NONSENSE!

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Reply #348 posted 11/09/17 9:10am

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djThunderfunk said:

PennyPurple said:

And you know who these people voted for? And how?


That's a bunch of NONSENSE! Vegas or the Church was not targeted because they were Trump voters, there is no way in hell to even know who these people voted for.


It's statements like yours, that creates false news. sad


We don't know who the perps voted for, but we do know that most Christians are conservative and most country music fans are likely to lean conservative. So, a point could be made, that in both cases, the targets were conservative. Also, most atheists are liberal. No?

If these two mass shootings are indeed terrorism and the targets of both were conservatives, what are we to conclude?



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You said it yourself, you don't know who these people voted for, any claim otherwise is false.

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Reply #349 posted 11/09/17 9:11am

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:rolleyes: seems you are trying to turn this/our debate into a one upmanship game. a game i refuse to play. good bye. the day is still young. maybe you should go for a walk or something so you can sweat out a toxic need to coerce others to bend to your need to be right and a stronger need for everyone to be in agreement with your way of seeing things. i hope you enjoy your (recommended) walk.👣


Just because you are incapable or unwilling to have a rational discussion and clarify your emotional proclamations is no reason to deflect by commenting about me personally with unfounded declarations as to my motivations for engaging in the discussion or some imagined accusation that I am "coercing" anyone.

You are free to not respond to me if you are bored or uninterested in what I have to say. Nobody has or will "coerce" you to do otherwise.


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Reply #350 posted 11/09/17 9:13am

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PennyPurple said:

djThunderfunk said:


We don't know who the perps voted for, but we do know that most Christians are conservative and most country music fans are likely to lean conservative. So, a point could be made, that in both cases, the targets were conservative. Also, most atheists are liberal. No?

If these two mass shootings are indeed terrorism and the targets of both were conservatives, what are we to conclude?



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You said it yourself, you don't know who these people voted for, any claim otherwise is false.


I also said we do know who the targets are. If these are cases of terrorism, why would conservatives target conservatives?

We were HERE, where were you?

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Reply #351 posted 11/09/17 9:15am

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Really? Then why did Brad Paisley and Carrie Underwood do a bit about Trump should stop tweeting on the Country Music Awards last night?

That was more fun than anything.

I think we can all collectively say.
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Reply #352 posted 11/09/17 9:20am

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djThunderfunk said:

PennyPurple said:

You said it yourself, you don't know who these people voted for, any claim otherwise is false.


I also said we do know who the targets are. If these are cases of terrorism, why would conservatives target conservatives?

They simply shot into a crowd in Vegas, not any 1 person was targeted, they were all targeted, and my bet is each person wasn't singled out for the way they vote or their political beliefs. Same way with the Church.


And why do some of you here, always blame a so called political party and it's affiliation with the mass murderer? Mental issues don't lean left, or right.

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Reply #353 posted 11/09/17 9:24am

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PennyPurple said:

You said it yourself, you don't know who these people voted for, any claim otherwise is false.


I also said we do know who the targets are. If these are cases of terrorism, why would conservatives target conservatives?

If we see it two or three more times. Pattern and unhinged liberals leaving zero trails. It is suspect. It could be a new domestic terrorist group that is covering tracks.

I think we can all collectively say.
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Reply #354 posted 11/09/17 9:28am

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PennyPurple said:

djThunderfunk said:


I also said we do know who the targets are. If these are cases of terrorism, why would conservatives target conservatives?

They simply shot into a crowd in Vegas, not any 1 person was targeted, they were all targeted, and my bet is each person wasn't singled out for the way they vote or their political beliefs. Same way with the Church.


And why do some of you here, always blame a so called political party and it's affiliation with the mass murderer? Mental issues don't lean left, or right.

Started to see more of this after Trump won. Many liberals are losing it. Doesn't take much scouring the internet to find them.

I think we can all collectively say.
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Reply #355 posted 11/09/17 9:28am

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PennyPurple said:

djThunderfunk said:


I also said we do know who the targets are. If these are cases of terrorism, why would conservatives target conservatives?

They simply shot into a crowd in Vegas, not any 1 person was targeted, they were all targeted, and my bet is each person wasn't singled out for the way they vote or their political beliefs. Same way with the Church.


And why do some of you here, always blame a so called political party and it's affiliation with the mass murderer? Mental issues don't lean left, or right.


On your first point, of course no single person was targeted. However, if we are to assume the claims that some here are making are true, that these ARE cases of "terrorism", AND, if the groups targeted can be assumed to likely be conservative, the the logic would follow that conservatives were the targets of terrorism. No?

As to you second point, if these are cases of "mass murder", then political affiliation of the shooters and of the targets have absolutely no bearing on the crime. On this we seem to agree.

I will assume by your comments, you are saying these are cases of mass murder and not of terrorism?


We were HERE, where were you?

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Reply #356 posted 11/09/17 9:28am

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djThunderfunk said:


I also said we do know who the targets are. If these are cases of terrorism, why would conservatives target conservatives?

If we see it two or three more times. Pattern and unhinged liberals leaving zero trails. It is suspect. It could be a new domestic terrorist group that is covering tracks.

rolleyes Now it could be a new domestic terrorist group? Oh brother...

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Reply #357 posted 11/09/17 9:33am

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PennyPurple said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

If we see it two or three more times. Pattern and unhinged liberals leaving zero trails. It is suspect. It could be a new domestic terrorist group that is covering tracks.

rolleyes Now it could be a new domestic terrorist group? Oh brother...

It does seem like something a terrorist would do. Vegas too.

I think we can all collectively say.
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Reply #358 posted 11/09/17 10:06am

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Texas church shooter was a militant atheist
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Texas church shooter Devin Kelley was a “creepy” atheist “outcast” who never fit in and berated religious believers on social media, according to former friends and classmates.
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He was always talking about how people who believe in God we’re stupid and trying to preach his atheism,” wrote former classmate Nina Rose Nava in a Facebook post, according to the Daily Mail. “I legit just deleted him off my fb cause I couldn’t stand his post.”
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his killings were based on the church and religion. his act was that of a white american domestic terrorist motivated by a hatred of religion...
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Reply #359 posted 11/09/17 10:13am

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"being confident you are right is not the same as being right."



that seems true. just like some of your deepest held beliefs are not true.


i refuse to get caught up in your (apparent & seeming) need to be vilified and/or verbally. abused. at least not today. 😬
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