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Harvard Study: More guns means more deaths!

So much for gun lovers:

https://www.hsph.harvard....and-death/

We have open state borders. Guns can trickle down very easy. Especially to inner cities.

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Reply #1 posted 11/01/17 4:45pm

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then do not buy any

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Reply #2 posted 11/01/17 5:31pm

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"Let the fools kill off each other, make more room for the rest of us." I believe that's the mentality that's running things.

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Reply #3 posted 11/01/17 5:52pm

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Duh.
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Reply #4 posted 11/03/17 4:10am

IanRG

OnlyNDaUsa said:

then do not buy any

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So, if the best defence against homicide is not to buy a gun, then problem solved - only those with guns will get shot!

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Reply #5 posted 11/03/17 5:09am

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IanRG said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

then do not buy any

.

So, if the best defence against homicide is not to buy a gun, then problem solved - only those with guns will get shot!

as opposed to banning them so ONLY the bad guys and government have them?

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Reply #6 posted 11/03/17 6:26am

IanRG

OnlyNDaUsa said:

IanRG said:

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So, if the best defence against homicide is not to buy a gun, then problem solved - only those with guns will get shot!

as opposed to banning them so ONLY the bad guys and government have them?

.

So it is better that you join them in killing, so it is not just left to the (other) bad guys and the police?

.

My point was your method of not being shot by the bad guys and the Police was to not buy your own gun! Bullets can hit unarmed people.

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Reply #7 posted 11/03/17 6:40am

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No one wants to ban any guns. No one wants to take anyone's gun away. We have never done that, and we never will. Only those with an agenda, or a brain turned to jelly, believe we'd ever do either of those things.

Remember - the same people that shout "SUPPORT THE TROOPS!" also say "I NEED GUNS BECAUSE THE TROOPS MIGHT TRY TO MAKE ME A SEX SLAVE!!!!: This is the mentality of the "Second Amendment" group. It's time that their time ended.

We have infinitely more guns than any other developed country. And we have infinitely more gun crimes and murders than any other country. If you don't think there's a correlation there, then your brain is one that has turned to jelly. Sorry, that's a harsh truth, but you need to know.

But given that inescapable conclusion, we still aren't going to take anyone's guns away. What we want to do is make it harder to commit mass murders; and we want to make it harder for criminals to obtain guns. You would think these concepts have universal appeal, but you would be wrong.

Take our president. We have a Muslim man murder 8 people with a truck. This crime is blamed on the diversity visa program and our genius president immediately calls for the end of that program.

But one month earlier, a white man killed 58 people and wounded 546 more. The instrument that made that incredible number of casualties possible was a thing called a bump stock. And yet, not one thing has been done to address that issue. And not one thing ever WILL be done as long as the "Second Amendment" group has any power.

That's just wrong.

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Reply #8 posted 11/03/17 7:22am

poppys

RodeoSchro said:

No one wants to ban any guns. No one wants to take anyone's gun away. We have never done that, and we never will. Only those with an agenda, or a brain turned to jelly, believe we'd ever do either of those things.

Remember - the same people that shout "SUPPORT THE TROOPS!" also say "I NEED GUNS BECAUSE THE TROOPS MIGHT TRY TO MAKE ME A SEX SLAVE!!!!: This is the mentality of the "Second Amendment" group. It's time that their time ended.

We have infinitely more guns than any other developed country. And we have infinitely more gun crimes and murders than any other country. If you don't think there's a correlation there, then your brain is one that has turned to jelly. Sorry, that's a harsh truth, but you need to know.

But given that inescapable conclusion, we still aren't going to take anyone's guns away. What we want to do is make it harder to commit mass murders; and we want to make it harder for criminals to obtain guns. You would think these concepts have universal appeal, but you would be wrong.

Take our president. We have a Muslim man murder 8 people with a truck. This crime is blamed on the diversity visa program and our genius president immediately calls for the end of that program.

But one month earlier, a white man killed 58 people and wounded 546 more. The instrument that made that incredible number of casualties possible was a thing called a bump stock. And yet, not one thing has been done to address that issue. And not one thing ever WILL be done as long as the "Second Amendment" group has any power.

That's just wrong.

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Reply #9 posted 11/03/17 7:44am

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Only lives in a different universe.

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Reply #10 posted 11/03/17 7:48am

maplenpg

poppys said:

RodeoSchro said:

No one wants to ban any guns. No one wants to take anyone's gun away. We have never done that, and we never will. Only those with an agenda, or a brain turned to jelly, believe we'd ever do either of those things.

Remember - the same people that shout "SUPPORT THE TROOPS!" also say "I NEED GUNS BECAUSE THE TROOPS MIGHT TRY TO MAKE ME A SEX SLAVE!!!!: This is the mentality of the "Second Amendment" group. It's time that their time ended.

We have infinitely more guns than any other developed country. And we have infinitely more gun crimes and murders than any other country. If you don't think there's a correlation there, then your brain is one that has turned to jelly. Sorry, that's a harsh truth, but you need to know.

But given that inescapable conclusion, we still aren't going to take anyone's guns away. What we want to do is make it harder to commit mass murders; and we want to make it harder for criminals to obtain guns. You would think these concepts have universal appeal, but you would be wrong.

Take our president. We have a Muslim man murder 8 people with a truck. This crime is blamed on the diversity visa program and our genius president immediately calls for the end of that program.

But one month earlier, a white man killed 58 people and wounded 546 more. The instrument that made that incredible number of casualties possible was a thing called a bump stock. And yet, not one thing has been done to address that issue. And not one thing ever WILL be done as long as the "Second Amendment" group has any power.

That's just wrong.

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I'll second that - great post Rodeo!

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Reply #11 posted 11/03/17 8:03am

poppys

IanRG said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

then do not buy any

.

So, if the best defence against homicide is not to buy a gun, then problem solved - only those with guns will get shot!

Aye, there's the rub.

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Reply #12 posted 11/03/17 8:17am

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Yea, rub his brow.

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Reply #13 posted 11/03/17 8:24am

OnlyNDaUsa

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IanRG said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

as opposed to banning them so ONLY the bad guys and government have them?

.

So it is better that you join them in killing, so it is not just left to the (other) bad guys and the police?

.

My point was your method of not being shot by the bad guys and the Police was to not buy your own gun! Bullets can hit unarmed people.

not sure I said it was better and I do not even own guns and I have not fired one in over 25 years... but last time I did... I was a good shot... and yes there is always a risk of hitting an innocent...but that is not a valid argument to ban guns from law-abiding people.

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Reply #14 posted 11/03/17 8:25am

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I did it over point by point...

[Edited 11/3/17 8:36am]

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Reply #15 posted 11/03/17 8:36am

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RodeoSchro said:

No one wants to ban any guns. No one wants to take anyone's gun away. We have never done that, and we never will. Only those with an agenda, or a brain turned to jelly, believe we'd ever do either of those things.


Not true...


Remember - the same people that shout "SUPPORT THE TROOPS!" also say "I NEED GUNS BECAUSE THE TROOPS MIGHT TRY TO MAKE ME A SEX SLAVE!!!!: This is the mentality of the "Second Amendment" group. It's time that their time ended.


Yeah and? I felt the same when I was in the ARMY... often talked about if there was some event how would we side... I was openly with the PEOPLE as were MOST of my fellow solders.


We have infinitely more guns than any other developed country. And we have infinitely more gun crimes and murders than any other country. If you don't think there's a correlation there, then your brain is one that has turned to jelly. Sorry, that's a harsh truth, but you need to know.

and still lesss than 1% of all guns are ever used in a murder...


But given that inescapable conclusion, we still aren't going to take anyone's guns away. What we want to do is make it harder to commit mass murders; and we want to make it harder for criminals to obtain guns. You would think these concepts have universal appeal, but you would be wrong.

except many have called for banning guns...


Take our president. We have a Muslim man murder 8 people with a truck. This crime is blamed on the diversity visa program and our genius president immediately calls for the end of that program.

I agree that is an emotional punish innocent... good point it makes MY point thank you.

But one month earlier, a white man killed 58 people and wounded 546 more. The instrument that made that incredible number of casualties possible was a thing called a bump stock. And yet, not one thing has been done to address that issue. And not one thing ever WILL be done as long as the "Second Amendment" group has any power.


Bump stocks were approved a few years ago... and banning them is an interesting idea but they would be super easy to 3D print... but with metal 3D printers you can print mechanism to make just about any semi-auto full auto



That's just wrong.


I am not convinced a bump stock makes that much difference....

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Reply #16 posted 11/03/17 8:37am

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Only, just admit there is no absolute right to own as many guns and bullets that you want.

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Reply #17 posted 11/03/17 8:41am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Only, just admit there is no absolute right to own as many guns and bullets that you want.

$1000....no 100....make that $10 dollars...to the charity (actual to (401 or 501) of your choice to find where I have ever said that!

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Reply #18 posted 11/03/17 8:49am

maplenpg

OnlyNDaUsa said:

RodeoSchro said:

No one wants to ban any guns. No one wants to take anyone's gun away. We have never done that, and we never will. Only those with an agenda, or a brain turned to jelly, believe we'd ever do either of those things.


Not true...


Remember - the same people that shout "SUPPORT THE TROOPS!" also say "I NEED GUNS BECAUSE THE TROOPS MIGHT TRY TO MAKE ME A SEX SLAVE!!!!: This is the mentality of the "Second Amendment" group. It's time that their time ended.


Yeah and? I felt the same when I was in the ARMY... often talked about if there was some event how would we side... I was openly with the PEOPLE as were MOST of my fellow solders.


We have infinitely more guns than any other developed country. And we have infinitely more gun crimes and murders than any other country. If you don't think there's a correlation there, then your brain is one that has turned to jelly. Sorry, that's a harsh truth, but you need to know.

and still lesss than 1% of all guns are ever used in a murder...


But given that inescapable conclusion, we still aren't going to take anyone's guns away. What we want to do is make it harder to commit mass murders; and we want to make it harder for criminals to obtain guns. You would think these concepts have universal appeal, but you would be wrong.

except many have called for banning guns...


Take our president. We have a Muslim man murder 8 people with a truck. This crime is blamed on the diversity visa program and our genius president immediately calls for the end of that program.

I agree that is an emotional punish innocent... good point it makes MY point thank you.

But one month earlier, a white man killed 58 people and wounded 546 more. The instrument that made that incredible number of casualties possible was a thing called a bump stock. And yet, not one thing has been done to address that issue. And not one thing ever WILL be done as long as the "Second Amendment" group has any power.


Bump stocks were approved a few years ago... and banning them is an interesting idea but they would be super easy to 3D print... but with metal 3D printers you can print mechanism to make just about any semi-auto full auto



That's just wrong.


I am not convinced a bump stock makes that much difference....

This is why people are stopping debating with you Only. Rodeo didn't call for guns to be banned, he didn't demonise them or pump his post full of left-wing propaganda. He put forth a reasonable, well-constructed post which you are not even going to agree with on a single point apart from the one pint not about guns (about immigration). You've even agreed with bump stock bans in another thread. I honestly think you are just trolling now.

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Reply #19 posted 11/03/17 8:53am

poppys

maplenpg said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

blahblah

This is why people are stopping debating with you Only. Rodeo didn't call for guns to be banned, he didn't demonise them or pump his post full of left-wing propaganda. He put forth a reasonable, well-constructed post which you are not even going to agree with on a single point apart from the one pint not about guns (about immigration). You've even agreed with bump stock bans in another thread. I honestly think you are just trolling now.

Bingo! The job must be pretty boring.

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Reply #20 posted 11/03/17 8:59am

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maplenpg said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

This is why people are stopping debating with you Only. Rodeo didn't call for guns to be banned, he didn't demonise them or pump his post full of left-wing propaganda. He put forth a reasonable, well-constructed post which you are not even going to agree with on a single point apart from the one pint not about guns (about immigration). You've even agreed with bump stock bans in another thread. I honestly think you are just trolling now.

he said "No one wants to ban any guns." that is NOT true.


So no one (in Congress) wants to ban "assault" rifles? No one wants to bring back the Clinton bans of the 90s? No one wants to ban a .50 rifle? NOT ONE Person in all of the government?

Even if I GIVE HIM that he means "no one wants to ban ANY currently legal guns" that is not even true.


I countered his Military question with my first-hand experience. If there was a civil war or uprising or if the military was ordered to go after the people... some in the military would side with the people.


he talked about the number of guns and crime and I pointed out a fact that less than 1% of all guns are used in murders.


And Yes I did say and I say again that I am okay with bump stocks being banned as I am fine with the Clinton bans. But I am also okay with them being legal and I am fine with so-called "silencers" being legal too...

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Reply #21 posted 11/03/17 9:11am

Dasein

OnlyNDaUsa said:

then do not buy any


A horrible and flawed argument if I ever saw one.

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Reply #22 posted 11/03/17 9:12am

OnlyNDaUsa

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Dasein said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

then do not buy any


A horrible and flawed argument if I ever saw one.

so you are telling me what i can or can not do with my body?


EDIT

oh and MR Logic (LOL) it was not an argument.

[Edited 11/3/17 9:13am]

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Reply #23 posted 11/03/17 9:48am

Dasein

OnlyNDaUsa said:

Dasein said:


A horrible and flawed argument if I ever saw one.

so you are telling me what i can or can not do with my body?


EDIT

oh and MR Logic (LOL) it was not an argument.

[Edited 11/3/17 9:13am]


Any time you assert a coherent series of reasons, statements, or facts intended to support or
establish a point of view, then you've offered an argument.

I'm not Mr Logic simply because I'm able to point out your flawed logic often in your posts for
I know where my abilities begin and end, and ultimately, I'm no gifted logician. But, any person
with some understanding of the study can see that you often don't know what you're talking
about, as indicated by a Harvard study revealing more guns means more deaths with your re-
ply being: "then don't buy any." You clearly did not read the article before you posted that most
inane response because it is incoherent when taken together with the study's finding.

Being able to legally purchase a firearm is not at all the same as telling a woman you will stop
offering comments on whether or not she should or should not receive an abortion and even
perhaps prohibiting her from doing so once she stops asking you to pay for it. Your conflation
of these two discrete ethics, even if it was just to make a joke, is further proof that you don't
know what you're talking about because you don't understand where your own abilities as a
thinker begin and end apart from you simply having a brain and a mouth to go along with it.


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maplenpg

OnlyNDaUsa said:



maplenpg said:




OnlyNDaUsa said:





This is why people are stopping debating with you Only. Rodeo didn't call for guns to be banned, he didn't demonise them or pump his post full of left-wing propaganda. He put forth a reasonable, well-constructed post which you are not even going to agree with on a single point apart from the one pint not about guns (about immigration). You've even agreed with bump stock bans in another thread. I honestly think you are just trolling now.






he said "No one wants to ban any guns." that is NOT true.


So no one (in Congress) wants to ban "assault" rifles? No one wants to bring back the Clinton bans of the 90s? No one wants to ban a .50 rifle? NOT ONE Person in all of the government?

Even if I GIVE HIM that he means "no one wants to ban ANY currently legal guns" that is not even true.


I countered his Military question with my first-hand experience. If there was a civil war or uprising or if the military was ordered to go after the people... some in the military would side with the people.


he talked about the number of guns and crime and I pointed out a fact that less than 1% of all guns are used in murders.


And Yes I did say and I say again that I am okay with bump stocks being banned as I am fine with the Clinton bans. But I am also okay with them being legal and I am fine with so-called "silencers" being legal too...


How many murders are committed by gun in the US? In actual human numbers? Then how many suicides are committed by gun? Then how many accidental deaths? What about guns used for robbery or other crime? How does this compare to the rest of the world? Your 1% figure is not an argument at all, the US has far more deaths by gun than any other Western society. AFAIK only Mexico and el Salvador have more deaths by gun worldwide.There is a definite correlation between the number of guns in the US and the number of gun crimes/deaths. There needs to be a debate, surely you can't argue against that?
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maplenpg said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

he said "No one wants to ban any guns." that is NOT true.


So no one (in Congress) wants to ban "assault" rifles? No one wants to bring back the Clinton bans of the 90s? No one wants to ban a .50 rifle? NOT ONE Person in all of the government?

Even if I GIVE HIM that he means "no one wants to ban ANY currently legal guns" that is not even true.


I countered his Military question with my first-hand experience. If there was a civil war or uprising or if the military was ordered to go after the people... some in the military would side with the people.


he talked about the number of guns and crime and I pointed out a fact that less than 1% of all guns are used in murders.


And Yes I did say and I say again that I am okay with bump stocks being banned as I am fine with the Clinton bans. But I am also okay with them being legal and I am fine with so-called "silencers" being legal too...

How many murders are committed by gun in the US? In actual human numbers? Then how many suicides are committed by gun? Then how many accidental deaths? What about guns used for robbery or other crime? How does this compare to the rest of the world? Your 1% figure is not an argument at all, the US has far more deaths by gun than any other Western society. AFAIK only Mexico and el Salvador have more deaths by gun worldwide.There is a definite correlation between the number of guns in the US and the number of gun crimes/deaths. There needs to be a debate, surely you can't argue against that?

10K murders 20K suicides...(most by handguns) 500 accidents.... other crimes? I am not sure?

you can not just go by numbers of... you need to look at the rates and numbers of guns used...

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Reply #26 posted 11/03/17 9:57am

Empress

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Duh.

Yeah, this was my first thought too. neutral

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Reply #27 posted 11/03/17 9:59am

OnlyNDaUsa

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Dasein said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

so you are telling me what i can or can not do with my body?


EDIT

oh and MR Logic (LOL) it was not an argument.

[Edited 11/3/17 9:13am]


Any time you assert a coherent series of reasons, statements, or facts intended to support or
establish a point of view, then you've offered an argument.

I'm not Mr Logic simply because I'm able to point out your flawed logic often in your posts for
I know where my abilities begin and end, and ultimately, I'm no gifted logician. But, any person
with some understanding of the study can see that you often don't know what you're talking
about, as indicated by a Harvard study revealing more guns means more deaths with your re-
ply being: "then don't buy any." You clearly did not read the article before you posted that most
inane response because it is incoherent when taken together with the study's finding.

Being able to legally purchase a firearm is not at all the same as telling a woman you will stop
offering comments on whether or not she should or should not receive an abortion and even
perhaps prohibiting her from doing so once she stops asking you to pay for it. Your conflation
of these two discrete ethics, even if it was just to make a joke, is further proof that you don't
know what you're talking about because you don't understand where your own abilities as a
thinker begin and end apart from you simply having a brain and a mouth to go along with it.


I know you do not know logic. you said that in an if-then statement such as "If P then Q" that Q implied P. WRONG!

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Reply #28 posted 11/03/17 10:00am

NorthC

2freaky4church1 said:

Only lives in a different universe.


And if it was only him, there wouldn't be a problem... I'm trying to understand why so many Americans love guns so much. I think it goes back to the Old West where there was no law and you had to protect yourself. And this was also the time when the revolver was invented, which was first used by the Texas Rangers to fight the Comanche. And I think this pioneer spirit is still part of the psyche of many Americans. Deep inside, they still want to be Wyatt Earp of Wild Bill Hickok.
Don't ever lose your dreams.
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Reply #29 posted 11/03/17 10:09am

maplenpg

OnlyNDaUsa said:



maplenpg said:


OnlyNDaUsa said:





he said "No one wants to ban any guns." that is NOT true.


So no one (in Congress) wants to ban "assault" rifles? No one wants to bring back the Clinton bans of the 90s? No one wants to ban a .50 rifle? NOT ONE Person in all of the government?

Even if I GIVE HIM that he means "no one wants to ban ANY currently legal guns" that is not even true.


I countered his Military question with my first-hand experience. If there was a civil war or uprising or if the military was ordered to go after the people... some in the military would side with the people.


he talked about the number of guns and crime and I pointed out a fact that less than 1% of all guns are used in murders.


And Yes I did say and I say again that I am okay with bump stocks being banned as I am fine with the Clinton bans. But I am also okay with them being legal and I am fine with so-called "silencers" being legal too...



How many murders are committed by gun in the US? In actual human numbers? Then how many suicides are committed by gun? Then how many accidental deaths? What about guns used for robbery or other crime? How does this compare to the rest of the world? Your 1% figure is not an argument at all, the US has far more deaths by gun than any other Western society. AFAIK only Mexico and el Salvador have more deaths by gun worldwide.There is a definite correlation between the number of guns in the US and the number of gun crimes/deaths. There needs to be a debate, surely you can't argue against that?




10K murders 20K suicides...(most by handguns) 500 accidents.... other crimes? I am not sure?

you can not just go by numbers of... you need to look at the rates and numbers of guns used...


Source? Oh and if we're talking numbers, what % of owned guns are used for work purposes i.e. farmers etc... (not military)?
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