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Reply #30 posted 10/10/17 12:29pm

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UncleJam said:

How people are making a connection between removing CONFEDREATE monuments and removing a statue of say George Washington...absolutely ridiculous. Sure, Washington owned slaves, so did a whole lot of other folks...it was the way things were. Removing that statue is trying to erase history. Removing a statue or monument or flag that is representing TRAITORS to the USA is a completely different scenario, the two have nothing to do with each other. Washington and Jefferson and whoever else helped BUILD this nation. The Confederates tried to destroy the nation. Why is this a discussion? We're smarter than that, arent we? Never mind...

if it was not already being pushed you would have a point but there are already movements to remove some of them.

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Reply #31 posted 10/10/17 12:38pm

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UncleJam said:

How people are making a connection between removing CONFEDREATE monuments and removing a statue of say George Washington...absolutely ridiculous. Sure, Washington owned slaves, so did a whole lot of other folks...it was the way things were. Removing that statue is trying to erase history. Removing a statue or monument or flag that is representing TRAITORS to the USA is a completely different scenario, the two have nothing to do with each other. Washington and Jefferson and whoever else helped BUILD this nation. The Confederates tried to destroy the nation. Why is this a discussion? We're smarter than that, arent we? Never mind...



Smarter??? Not all of us ....
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Reply #32 posted 10/10/17 12:40pm

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jjhunsecker said:

UncleJam said:

How people are making a connection between removing CONFEDREATE monuments and removing a statue of say George Washington...absolutely ridiculous. Sure, Washington owned slaves, so did a whole lot of other folks...it was the way things were. Removing that statue is trying to erase history. Removing a statue or monument or flag that is representing TRAITORS to the USA is a completely different scenario, the two have nothing to do with each other. Washington and Jefferson and whoever else helped BUILD this nation. The Confederates tried to destroy the nation. Why is this a discussion? We're smarter than that, arent we? Never mind...

Smarter??? Not all of us ....

given neither of you seem to be well informed and aware that there is already a push to remove more than just confederate monuments i guess you know who you are talking about

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Reply #33 posted 10/10/17 12:43pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



jjhunsecker said:


UncleJam said:

How people are making a connection between removing CONFEDREATE monuments and removing a statue of say George Washington...absolutely ridiculous. Sure, Washington owned slaves, so did a whole lot of other folks...it was the way things were. Removing that statue is trying to erase history. Removing a statue or monument or flag that is representing TRAITORS to the USA is a completely different scenario, the two have nothing to do with each other. Washington and Jefferson and whoever else helped BUILD this nation. The Confederates tried to destroy the nation. Why is this a discussion? We're smarter than that, arent we? Never mind...



Smarter??? Not all of us ....



given neither of you seem to be well informed and aware that there is already a push to remove more than just confederate monuments i guess you know who you are talking about



Yes, I DO know... I'll leave it at that and not engage in endless pointless "debates" that go nowhere
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Reply #34 posted 10/10/17 12:48pm

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jjhunsecker said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

given neither of you seem to be well informed and aware that there is already a push to remove more than just confederate monuments i guess you know who you are talking about

Yes, I DO know... I'll leave it at that and not engage in endless pointless "debates" that go nowhere

if they are pointless and go nowhere why start them? and it is funny how I say over and over that you must agree 100% or be called out... and this topic proves that... I do not defined the Confederate statues, I just know that the mob will not stop with that... and that is NOT a slippery slope argument as it IS already happening.

And wait you just now claimed to have known it... so why arguing with me? Just say "yeah some might take it too far... i HOPE they will get satisfied and stop at some point"

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Reply #35 posted 10/10/17 1:04pm

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I hope you view the video JJ posted and possibly drag out some different outrage instead of the same tired arguments you are endlessly trolling here. Nothing we haven't heard from you over and over again.

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Reply #36 posted 10/10/17 1:18pm

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UncleJam said:

How people are making a connection between removing CONFEDREATE monuments and removing a statue of say George Washington...absolutely ridiculous. Sure, Washington owned slaves, so did a whole lot of other folks...it was the way things were. Removing that statue is trying to erase history. Removing a statue or monument or flag that is representing TRAITORS to the USA is a completely different scenario, the two have nothing to do with each other. Washington and Jefferson and whoever else helped BUILD this nation. The Confederates tried to destroy the nation. Why is this a discussion? We're smarter than that, arent we? Never mind...

Smarter??? Not all of us ....

No matter how many times the illegality of the Confederacy is mentioned, it is NEVER countered, because there isn't one.


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Reply #37 posted 10/10/17 1:42pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



jjhunsecker said:


OnlyNDaUsa said:




given neither of you seem to be well informed and aware that there is already a push to remove more than just confederate monuments i guess you know who you are talking about



Yes, I DO know... I'll leave it at that and not engage in endless pointless "debates" that go nowhere



if they are pointless and go nowhere why start them? and it is funny how I say over and over that you must agree 100% or be called out... and this topic proves that... I do not defined the Confederate statues, I just know that the mob will not stop with that... and that is NOT a slippery slope argument as it IS already happening.

And wait you just now claimed to have known it... so why arguing with me? Just say "yeah some might take it too far... i HOPE they will get satisfied and stop at some point"



Why are those voicing their opinion a "mob", as if they were some crazed entity with no one thinking for themselves? Your choice of words speaks volumes...
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Reply #38 posted 10/10/17 1:44pm

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poppys said:

I hope you view the video JJ posted and possibly drag out some different outrage instead of the same tired arguments you are endlessly trolling here. Nothing we haven't heard from you over and over again.



What can you say about someone who voices an opinion on something that they didn't even see or read?
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Reply #39 posted 10/10/17 1:45pm

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jjhunsecker said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

if they are pointless and go nowhere why start them? and it is funny how I say over and over that you must agree 100% or be called out... and this topic proves that... I do not defined the Confederate statues, I just know that the mob will not stop with that... and that is NOT a slippery slope argument as it IS already happening.

And wait you just now claimed to have known it... so why arguing with me? Just say "yeah some might take it too far... i HOPE they will get satisfied and stop at some point"

Why are those voicing their opinion a "mob", as if they were some crazed entity with no one thinking for themselves? Your choice of words speaks volumes...

did you not see the videos of them destroying some statue? and some here cheered that act....

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Reply #40 posted 10/10/17 2:25pm

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That was hilarious with truth thrown in. Thanks for posting J.
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Reply #41 posted 10/10/17 3:22pm

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Reply #42 posted 10/10/17 6:15pm

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The Dixie Stampede show at Dollywood is pretty horrifying, yikes!

The part about if the Confederacy was NOT about slavery - someone needs to go back in time and tell the Confederacy that.

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Reply #43 posted 10/10/17 11:10pm

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jjhunsecker said:

Bravo Mr. Oliver ! He cuts through all the bullshit


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If you’ve ever wanted a one-stop video clip to send anyone on social media who starts in on that “tearing down Confederate monuments means erasing history” bullshit—like Donald Trump, to name but one—John Oliver has you covered. On Sunday’s Last Week Tonight, Oliver ran down the Confederate statue issue in ways that will have your uncle who everyone rolls their eyes at screaming “fake news” and downing another scotch come Thanksgiving. For Oliver, a British guy who’d, as he explains, like to eat in an Indian restaurant some time in his life, the idea of acknowledging rather than whitewashing (and how) your country’s sometimes shameful past is a sign of intellectual honesty and character. Unlike one rebel pigeon-toilet enthusiast shown complaining that his poor farmer ancestors should get a pass because—and this is not a joke—“slaves were really expensive.”

Still, any time the issue comes up (like in this article!), timelines and comment sections are swamped with the same conspicuously similar talking points, so Oliver debunks them in turn. For example, Oliver shows that most of the more than 700 public statues of Confederate figures in America were erected long after the Civil War ended, with the largest spikes in construction taking place, again suspiciously, during periods like Jim Crow and the civil rights movement, where whites started getting a little antsy about black people asserting themselves. Also, Oliver dismantles that whole “the Civil War wasn’t about slavery” argument by simply quoting Confederate state constitutions and official declarations that explicitly declare the preservation of slavery and the racial superiority of white people as their core principles. Oh, and then there’s the fact that many of these monuments were proposed and dedicated by actual Klansmen. Pesky thing, actual historical records. (You know, like the one where Confederate general Robert E. Lee said unequivocally that people shouldn’t put up Confederate statues.)

And as to the intellectually dishonest willful ignorance of the argument that removing Confederate statues is one of those “slippery slopes” that will lead to a horrifyingly statue-less America, Oliver proposed that drawing lines somewhere is more American than drawing them absolutely nowhere. Oliver proposed that there’s a “Hitler-Hanks Spectrum” of humanity, and that moving the demarcation point a little more toward the Hanks-ian isn’t really that hard to envision. Proving his point, Oliver went on to unveil a number of alternative statues that could more ably occupy the empty plinths of shit-canned traitorous slaveholders statuary, including escaped slave turned U.S. Congressman Robert Smalls, first black female pilot Bessie Coleman, and, representing his hometown of Charleston, South Carolina, the actual Stephen Colbert. (Oliver also proposes that all Florida statues be replaced with an alligator named Herman flipping the bird, which might be a tougher sell. Or not.) So copy, paste, and infuriate some of your most ignorant trolls today!




Brilliant, per usual. nod

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Reply #44 posted 10/11/17 4:09am

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poppys said:

The Dixie Stampede show at Dollywood is pretty horrifying, yikes!

The part about if the Confederacy was NOT about slavery - someone needs to go back in time and tell the Confederacy that.

the other oft-told lie is that the north fought to end slavery... no, in fact, they fought to keep it.

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Reply #45 posted 10/11/17 7:13am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

poppys said:

The Dixie Stampede show at Dollywood is pretty horrifying, yikes!

The part about if the Confederacy was NOT about slavery - someone needs to go back in time and tell the Confederacy that.

the other oft-told lie is that the north fought to end slavery... no, in fact, they fought to keep it.

Oh, you mean The War of Northern Aggression?

Did you watch the video yet?

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Reply #46 posted 10/11/17 7:22am

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poppys said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

the other oft-told lie is that the north fought to end slavery... no, in fact, they fought to keep it.

Oh, you mean The War of Northern Aggression?

Did you watch the video yet?

He's probably afraid to...doesn't want those pre-conceived notions to be challenged and rebuked

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Reply #47 posted 10/11/17 7:36am

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poppys said:

Oh, you mean The War of Northern Aggression?

Did you watch the video yet?

He's probably afraid to...doesn't want those pre-conceived notions to be challenged and rebuked

You'd think he would hang on every word the Vice President of the Confederacy had to say.

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