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Reply #30 posted 10/17/17 2:23pm

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morningsong said:

Looks like negotiating means putting people in jail.


Political prisoners, in Europe, in this day and age. Absolutely disgraceful. It’s time the international community condemned Spain.
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Reply #31 posted 10/17/17 2:57pm

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Maybe the Catalonia's president is pausing to prevent having their government completely taken over by the Spanish government?

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Reply #32 posted 10/19/17 7:42pm

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The government said ministers would meet to activate Article 155 of the constitution, allowing it to take over running of the region.

Catalonia's leader said the region's parliament would vote on independence if Spain continued "repression".

Catalans voted to secede in a referendum outlawed by Spain.

Some fear the latest moves could spark further unrest after mass demonstrations before and since the ballot on 1 October.

Spain's supreme court declared the vote illegal and said it violated the constitution, which describes the country as indivisible.

Article 155 of the constitution, which cemented democratic rule three years after the death of dictator General Francisco Franco in 1975, allows Madrid to impose direct rule in a crisis but it has never been invoked.

BBC Madrid correspondent Tom Burridge says that for Madrid this is about upholding the rule of law in Catalonia, protecting the Spanish constitution and disciplining what it sees as an unruly, disobedient devolved government.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41678086



Oh well, I guess that's that.


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Reply #33 posted 10/20/17 1:28am

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Oh well, I guess that's that.



Not in the slightest.

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Reply #34 posted 10/20/17 5:56am

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Political prisoners, in Europe, in this day and age. Absolutely disgraceful. It’s time the international community condemned Spain.

lol

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Reply #35 posted 10/20/17 10:21am

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morningsong said:


Oh well, I guess that's that.



Not in the slightest.



Catalonia has no support in Europe, the Spanish government is gearing up to take over, what else is left to do?

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Reply #36 posted 10/20/17 10:34am

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Looks like those that voted for independence will get the exact opposite of what they wanted. Makes me wonder, did they really think things through? And don't forget, only 40% turned out to vote. Even with all the force the Spanish government used to stop it, that's not an awful lot.
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Reply #37 posted 10/24/17 10:12am

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It ain't over.


Catalan authorities will not follow orders from the Spanish government if Madrid moves to reassert control over the region, a senior official says.

A regional government spokesman told the BBC that the central government was acting against the will of Catalans.

Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy has announced plans to sack the region's government and curtail some of the powers of its parliament.

The Catalan parliament will meet on Thursday to decide on its response.

The pro-independence leaders could decide to formalise a unilateral declaration of independence, the BBC's Bethany Bell in Barcelona reports.


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41719081

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Reply #38 posted 10/24/17 3:26pm

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Stupid. Catalonia is not totalitarian. You don't just break up just because it is now cool.

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Reply #39 posted 10/24/17 3:28pm

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Stupid. Catalonia is not totalitarian. You don't just break up just because it is now cool.



I think it's a matter of who is riding who's coattails. Catalonia has the money.



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Reply #40 posted 10/24/17 3:31pm

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Cali is different. Trump makes it sound more normal

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Reply #41 posted 10/24/17 3:45pm

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Cali is different. Trump makes it sound more normal



I highly doubt Cali will secede all hell would break loose, nobody's ready for that kind of hell. And Cali isn't the only state that's ever threatened to do that, Texas, Vermont, South Carolina, Oregon, New Hampshire, amoung a few others all within the 2000s.

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Reply #42 posted 10/24/17 3:51pm

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2freaky4church1 said:


Cali is different. Trump makes it sound more normal





I highly doubt Cali will secede all hell would break loose, nobody's ready for that kind of hell. And Cali isn't the only state that's ever threatened to do that, Texas, Vermont, South Carolina, Oregon, New Hampshire, amoung a few others all within the 2000s.


Which pretty much sums up the mess we are in in Spain!
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Reply #43 posted 10/24/17 4:01pm

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morningsong said:



I highly doubt Cali will secede all hell would break loose, nobody's ready for that kind of hell. And Cali isn't the only state that's ever threatened to do that, Texas, Vermont, South Carolina, Oregon, New Hampshire, amoung a few others all within the 2000s.

Which pretty much sums up the mess we are in in Spain!



Yeah, I see. I was surprised though.


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Reply #44 posted 10/24/17 4:04pm

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Wild.

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Reply #45 posted 10/24/17 7:23pm

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Might explain why the voter turn out was only 40% most people just didn't bother, not just that they didn't support the idea.


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Reply #46 posted 10/25/17 12:29am

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Might explain why the voter turn out was only 40% most people just didn't bother, not just that they didn't support the idea.



Plus the Spanish government did all it could to stop the referendum. But from what I hear and read, about half of the Catalonians are in favour of independence and the other half isn't,
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Reply #47 posted 10/25/17 12:18pm

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morningsong said:

Might explain why the voter turn out was only 40% most people just didn't bother, not just that they didn't support the idea.


Plus the Spanish government did all it could to stop the referendum. But from what I hear and read, about half of the Catalonians are in favour of independence and the other half isn't,




But now it's a battle of governments. I'm trying to create a scenerio in my head, and it doesn't look good. Does Spain just come in shooting people? Do they breakdown doors and arrest the Catalonia officials? I read an article that says they start in little bits, like taking over the local Police force and financial system. I get how to do the Police force but the financial system?

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Reply #48 posted 11/09/17 12:30pm

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Well it ain't dead yet. This thread nor the call for Independence in Catalonia.






Though seemingly foreordained, the Madrid court's decision still only deepened the standoff. That was nowhere more evident than a six-hour drive away in Barcelona where law enforcement sought to dislodge demonstrators intent on causing gridlock.


Meanwhile, Catalan President Carles Puigdemont and several fellow separatist politicians remain in Belgium, where they fled after the central government sacked regional lawmakers in retaliation for the independence declaration. They were briefly jailed there, before being released on the condition that they appear at all future court hearings and do not leave the country without permission.


"We have created a committee in parliament to explore the possibility of amending the constitution to be able to accommodate better the aspirations of some of the Catalan people," Dastis told the BBC on Wednesday.

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Reply #49 posted 11/10/17 5:43pm

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And all the while the EU keep quiet.

Within the EU, it seems that support for EU citizens only extends as far as those that are supporting ever increasing federalisation.

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