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Lianachan

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Vegas Shooting - Conspiracy Nonsense

It hasn't taken long for conspiracy theorists to turn their paranoid idiocy to the tragic mass shooting in Las Vegas.

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Reply #1 posted 10/06/17 5:35am

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Lianachan said:

It hasn't taken long for conspiracy theorists to turn their paranoid idiocy to the tragic mass shooting in Las Vegas.

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It started here immediately. Lots of paranoid, right wing loonies in the world, sadly.

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Reply #2 posted 10/06/17 6:06am

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13cjk13 said:

Lianachan said:

It hasn't taken long for conspiracy theorists to turn their paranoid idiocy to the tragic mass shooting in Las Vegas.

MISSION IMPOSSIBLE: Offic... ludicrous

It started here immediately. Lots of paranoid, right wing loonies in the world, sadly.

You got that right !

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Reply #4 posted 10/06/17 6:29am

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from the article:
"Even highly trained Navy Seals would have a difficult time running a full auto weapon for 10 minutes straight. "


I call BS on this. For one he did not fire for 10 mins straight--he took breaks between bursts. Second, the weapons I saw were on bi-pods--that makes it easier to fire. Third, most of the recoil is absorbed by the system itself--the fact is an AR style (even at full auto) has about as much force on the hands as does a week wackier.


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Reply #5 posted 10/06/17 6:30am

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jjhunsecker said:

13cjk13 said:

It started here immediately. Lots of paranoid, right wing loonies in the world, sadly.

You got that right !

as did the gun grabbers pushing their agendas.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

jjhunsecker said:

You got that right !

as did the gun grabbers pushing their agendas.

Yeah, like preventing lunatics getting their hands on weapons and avoiding having innocent people get shot and killed...

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Reply #7 posted 10/06/17 6:45am

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#1: As many as 10 rifles were found in his hotel room… but only one shooter?


Ok so what? He seemed to have to vantage points set up. So he may have been switching between positions. (Something not uncommon) . Using more than one gun would allow for time for one to cool down. Also having different guns would allow for him to use whatever seemed to be more effective.


#2: As with many orchestrated shootings, the scapegoat was murdered before he could talk


This here proves the writer is pulling stuff out of thin air. It assumes it was all fake or set up.


#3: Why are there no muzzle flashes visible from the 32nd-floor Mandalay Bay windows in any of the videos that captured the shooting?

Depending on where in was (how far back he was ) this may be meaningless…


#4 Why does the gunfire in multiple online videos clearly sound like automatic weapons fire from MULTIPLE weapons?

Simple: it doesn’t. There are some echoes due to the structure of the venue… that would explain the effect.

#5: ISIS has openly claimed responsibility for the attack, stating that Paddock “converted to Islam” months earlier

that means nothing without some other evidence… and it would not mean much even if it was true.

6: Stephen Paddock had no familiarity with automatic weapons and no military training; was not a “gun guy”


Pure speculation

#7: How does a 64-year-old accountant with no military training possess the strength and stamina to fire a fully automatic weapon for nearly 10 minutes?

They are not that hard to fire and the fact is he did not fire for 10 mins straight he took ‘breaks’ between bursts. This is one of the DUMBEST ones of all.

#8: Stephen Paddock was gambling away huge amounts of cash… where did he get all that money?


not much of an issue. Maybe people get rich…so what?


#9: Stephen Paddock has no criminal history, no record and no apparent beef with anybody

So what?

#10: The attack required meticulous planning, funding and training… it wasn’t some lone senior citizen who just “snapped”


The assumption here is that he ‘just snapped’ I see no reason to assume that.


#11: How was the FBI able to almost immediately declare Paddock had no ties to ISIS — barely 12 hours after the shooting — when the same agency has spent over a year investigating President Trump with zero evidence linking him to Russia, all while refusing to declare Trump has no ties to Russia?


Oh now this is a close 2nd as dumbest question…

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Reply #8 posted 10/06/17 6:47am

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jjhunsecker said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

as did the gun grabbers pushing their agendas.

Yeah, like preventing lunatics getting their hands on weapons and avoiding having innocent people get shot and killed...

yeah that 0.03% of all gun owners that use them illegally should be the ones that determine that the vast majority of others should lose rights for the ones that do misuse guns.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

jjhunsecker said:

Yeah, like preventing lunatics getting their hands on weapons and avoiding having innocent people get shot and killed...

yeah that 0.03% of all gun owners that use them illegally should be the ones that determine that the vast majority of others should lose rights for the ones that do misuse guns.

I guess your belief that you have "rights" to as many guns as possible trumps others rights not to get shot and killed ...

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jjhunsecker said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

yeah that 0.03% of all gun owners that use them illegally should be the ones that determine that the vast majority of others should lose rights for the ones that do misuse guns.

I guess your belief that you have "rights" to as many guns as possible trumps others rights not to get shot and killed ...

no... i never said that at all. if that as the case then there would be no penalty for shooting people.

it seems you live under the delusion that if my right interferes with one of your rights that I must not be allowed to exercise that right? But why would your right trump mine? Seems we would just be at a standstill.

you also lose the argument when you equate owning a gun with using said gun to murder people. What of cars? Cars get used to murder people... does your right to own a car trump others rights to not get run over?

And the right to not get shot is just as valid as my right to own guns (not sure if I agree it is AS many as I want and certainly not any kind i may want) and when the right to not get shot is violated there are legal remedies in both criminal and civil courts and justice systems.


So again your entire argument seems to be "because of a small % misusing a right that no one should be trusted with that right (or at least to have the right made much less broad)."

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Reply #11 posted 10/06/17 7:29am

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I don't believe most of them this time. The 4th floor stuff is a bit interesting. The sound can be explained, shooter used different guns and echo. The shooter on the ground I believe can be explained from mass panic and the video of shooter on ground doesn't look like one to me. Most of them can be debunked. I think the shooter likely had help or was involved with something but it would make logical sense the shooter he had anger/hate issues.

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if it is a conspiracy it would have to be liberal gun grabbers and it seems it is working as they seem to want to fast track a bump stock ban. But that is meaningless as they can be 3d printed with ease and I assure you, one can be made that is about as small as a typical trigger lock.

to me, this as most of these the basic story we get is the most believable.

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Reply #13 posted 10/06/17 7:37am

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I wonder if the coward widow suer Jessie Ventura will make a video showing how hard it is for him to shoot a bump stock gun as if that would prove anything...

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

if it is a conspiracy it would have to be liberal gun grabbers and it seems it is working as they seem to want to fast track a bump stock ban. But that is meaningless as they can be 3d printed with ease and I assure you, one can be made that is about as small as a typical trigger lock.

to me, this as most of these the basic story we get is the most believable.



The author of that piece is Mike Adams. I'm not sure of his politics or has stance regarding gun control. He started off with alternative medicine, food woo type of stuff, but he's branched out into other batshit crazy stuff in the last few years, such as free energy and that sort of thing.

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Reply #15 posted 10/06/17 7:46am

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I don't believe most of them this time. The 4th floor stuff is a bit interesting. The sound can be explained, shooter used different guns and echo. The shooter on the ground I believe can be explained from mass panic and the video of shooter on ground doesn't look like one to me. Most of them can be debunked. I think the shooter likely had help or was involved with something but it would make logical sense the shooter he had anger/hate issues.

i listen to a lot of Judge Joe Brown interviews, the guy is a genius, not just a judge. I loved what he had to say about shootings like this. His opinion, at least in part, was that modern males, emasculated, disempowered and evolved to be aggressive, violent, sexual and all of the sudden squelched in all these areas are going to blow some gaskets like this. I think it's true and not surprising and... it's going to get worse, banning guns does nothing, it's too easy to wipe out people a million other ways. I think overpopulation and how men are raised today is a big part of all this. This guy is way outside of the profile for this kind of crime, his age and his financial status are anomalies, what does this tell us? it tells us that these issues are getting worse, at least that's my interpretation.

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

jjhunsecker said:

Yeah, like preventing lunatics getting their hands on weapons and avoiding having innocent people get shot and killed...

yeah that 0.03% of all gun owners that use them illegally should be the ones that determine that the vast majority of others should lose rights for the ones that do misuse guns.




Simple question - where do you draw the line? At what point does the government have the right to say, "You can't own that"? Do you believe the Second Amendment is without boundary? Should citizens be allowed to possess military weapoins such as rocket launchers? Where do you draw the line?

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Reply #17 posted 10/06/17 8:10am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

yeah that 0.03% of all gun owners that use them illegally should be the ones that determine that the vast majority of others should lose rights for the ones that do misuse guns.




Simple question - where do you draw the line? At what point does the government have the right to say, "You can't own that"? Do you believe the Second Amendment is without boundary? Should citizens be allowed to possess military weapoins such as rocket launchers? Where do you draw the line?


These are the very questions that should be put before Congress today and should have been put
before Congress as soon as weapon technology saw its first modern advancements.

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Reply #18 posted 10/06/17 8:11am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

yeah that 0.03% of all gun owners that use them illegally should be the ones that determine that the vast majority of others should lose rights for the ones that do misuse guns.




Simple question - where do you draw the line? At what point does the government have the right to say, "You can't own that"? Do you believe the Second Amendment is without boundary? Should citizens be allowed to possess military weapoins such as rocket launchers? Where do you draw the line?

it won't help to get rid of guns, overpopulation is a major factor, modern living is the biggest factor, no one is gonna deal with that. even if they get rid of guns, there will still be destructive people, be they cult leaders, bomb makers, a guy driving a truck into a crowd, a nut with a knife. It's not gonna change, its gonna get worse, getting rid of guns just makes sane people even more helpless. I'm no gun nut either, i don't like guns and never owned one but I know how to protect myself.

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Reply #19 posted 10/06/17 8:14am

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RodeoSchro said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

yeah that 0.03% of all gun owners that use them illegally should be the ones that determine that the vast majority of others should lose rights for the ones that do misuse guns.




Simple question - where do you draw the line? At what point does the government have the right to say, "You can't own that"? Do you believe the Second Amendment is without boundary? Should citizens be allowed to possess military weapoins such as rocket launchers? Where do you draw the line?

I have said it before: I think the limit is about where it is now. I have also said I was fine with Clinton's cosmetic bans (well mostly cosmetic: at least 2 make them arguably less safe: Pistol Grips help with stability and thus accuracy and thus reduce an unintended target from getting hit and flash suppressors could add to an increased fire hazard).

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PeteSilas said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

I don't believe most of them this time. The 4th floor stuff is a bit interesting. The sound can be explained, shooter used different guns and echo. The shooter on the ground I believe can be explained from mass panic and the video of shooter on ground doesn't look like one to me. Most of them can be debunked. I think the shooter likely had help or was involved with something but it would make logical sense the shooter he had anger/hate issues.

i listen to a lot of Judge Joe Brown interviews, the guy is a genius, not just a judge. I loved what he had to say about shootings like this. His opinion, at least in part, was that modern males, emasculated, disempowered and evolved to be aggressive, violent, sexual and all of the sudden squelched in all these areas are going to blow some gaskets like this. I think it's true and not surprising and... it's going to get worse, banning guns does nothing, it's too easy to wipe out people a million other ways. I think overpopulation and how men are raised today is a big part of all this. This guy is way outside of the profile for this kind of crime, his age and his financial status are anomalies, what does this tell us? it tells us that these issues are getting worse, at least that's my interpretation.

^^Yes, I wonder about this too. People would have to change spiritually for us to see a real change. Sometimes I see glimmer of hope then something like this happens.

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Reply #21 posted 10/06/17 10:29am

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If you want to talk about nonsense and idiocy then look no further than the official story we're told through mainstream sources:

A 64 year old multi millionaire in real estate, for reasons no one knows that have not been explained, brought a cartoonish number of 23 guns into the Mandelay Bay casino over the course of several days and on Sunday night knocked out 2 windows on the 32nd floor, and, to spite being in a casino which is a building with its own mini fusion center, in Las Vegas which is the American equivalent of London in how many CCTV cameras it has, this man was somehow able to shoot down at a crowd of thousands of people for over an hour and no one was able to get into the room to stop him for 72 minutes.

This is the same exact casino, by the way, that if the power even goes out, like it did for 40 minutes one day last year, security was able to put the place on full lock-down quickly within moments.

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gimmesomehornz said:

If you want to talk about nonsense and idiocy then look no further than the official story we're told through mainstream sources:

A 64 year old multi millionaire in real estate, for reasons no one knows that have not been explained, brought a cartoonish number of 23 guns into the Mandelay Bay casino over the course of several days and on Sunday night knocked out 2 windows on the 32nd floor, and, to spite being in a casino which is a building with its own mini fusion center, in Las Vegas which is the American equivalent of London in how many CCTV cameras it has, this man was somehow able to shoot down at a crowd of thousands of people for over an hour and no one was able to get into the room to stop him for 72 minutes.

This is the same exact casino, by the way, that if the power even goes out, like it did for 40 minutes one day last year, security was able to put the place on full lock-down quickly within moments.

I agree. It does not add up that is why I believe he was radicalized or into something but I guess it could be for twisted self serving reasons. Sometimes very rich people will go off the deep end and money does not buy happiness. I'm going to give the investigators more time to come out with the official story.

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One valuable lesson that the conspiracy theorists have taught humanity is that no major man made event or accident that results in the deaths of many people EVER happens unless it's perpetrated by a western government. Planes don't crash, civilians don't get pissed off and shoot loads of people, Islamist terror attacks don't happen in the west, celebrities don't die of natural causes, even hurricanes couldn't form without a little nudge by a pen pusher with the ability to control the elements!

Isn't it great that we live in a world where chaos doesn't exist?

Every. Fucking. Time. As a major story breaks, the only certainty is that within days, there'll elaborate conspiratorial narratives built around supposed anomalies and speculative sound bites from passers by and journalists.

But what do I know. I'm just a sheep!
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lust said:

One valuable lesson that the conspiracy theorists have taught humanity is that no major man made event or accident that results in the deaths of many people EVER happens unless it's perpetrated by a western government. Planes don't crash, civilians don't get pissed off and shoot loads of people, Islamist terror attacks don't happen in the west, celebrities don't die of natural causes, even hurricanes couldn't form without a little nudge by a pen pusher with the ability to control the elements!

Isn't it great that we live in a world where chaos doesn't exist?

Every. Fucking. Time. As a major story breaks, the only certainty is that within days, there'll elaborate conspiratorial narratives built around supposed anomalies and speculative sound bites from passers by and journalists.

But what do I know. I'm just a sheep!



falloff Well said! And it is VERY sad that some people cannot accept reality. I strongly feel that all people should turn off their phones and TVs and radios for a good portion of each month, and instead go out every day and interact with normal humans. Good for the soul, good for the common sense receptors!

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Reply #25 posted 10/06/17 1:32pm

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RodeoSchro said:



lust said:


One valuable lesson that the conspiracy theorists have taught humanity is that no major man made event or accident that results in the deaths of many people EVER happens unless it's perpetrated by a western government. Planes don't crash, civilians don't get pissed off and shoot loads of people, Islamist terror attacks don't happen in the west, celebrities don't die of natural causes, even hurricanes couldn't form without a little nudge by a pen pusher with the ability to control the elements!

Isn't it great that we live in a world where chaos doesn't exist?

Every. Fucking. Time. As a major story breaks, the only certainty is that within days, there'll elaborate conspiratorial narratives built around supposed anomalies and speculative sound bites from passers by and journalists.

But what do I know. I'm just a sheep!



falloff Well said! And it is VERY sad that some people cannot accept reality. I strongly feel that all people should turn off their phones and TVs and radios for a good portion of each month, and instead go out every day and interact with normal humans. Good for the soul, good for the common sense receptors!




Amen to that.
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Reply #26 posted 10/06/17 3:27pm

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lust said:

One valuable lesson that the conspiracy theorists have taught humanity is that no major man made event or accident that results in the deaths of many people EVER happens unless it's perpetrated by a western government. Planes don't crash, civilians don't get pissed off and shoot loads of people, Islamist terror attacks don't happen in the west, celebrities don't die of natural causes, even hurricanes couldn't form without a little nudge by a pen pusher with the ability to control the elements! Isn't it great that we live in a world where chaos doesn't exist? Every. Fucking. Time. As a major story breaks, the only certainty is that within days, there'll elaborate conspiratorial narratives built around supposed anomalies and speculative sound bites from passers by and journalists. But what do I know. I'm just a sheep!

i know what you mean, it gets a little tired. I'm wide open to conspiracy but not without evidence.

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Reply #27 posted 10/06/17 3:31pm

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his brother is hoping he has a brain tumor. it's unusual but anyone can crack at anytime. the one thing about old men is, they do tend to be bitter and angry, feeling useless but usually not as violent as their young counterparts, but as far as hatred they are just as bad or worse. And who knows, age screws people up, drug use screws people up, a bad stroke could have gone undiagnosed.

SuperFurryAnimal said:

gimmesomehornz said:

If you want to talk about nonsense and idiocy then look no further than the official story we're told through mainstream sources:

A 64 year old multi millionaire in real estate, for reasons no one knows that have not been explained, brought a cartoonish number of 23 guns into the Mandelay Bay casino over the course of several days and on Sunday night knocked out 2 windows on the 32nd floor, and, to spite being in a casino which is a building with its own mini fusion center, in Las Vegas which is the American equivalent of London in how many CCTV cameras it has, this man was somehow able to shoot down at a crowd of thousands of people for over an hour and no one was able to get into the room to stop him for 72 minutes.

This is the same exact casino, by the way, that if the power even goes out, like it did for 40 minutes one day last year, security was able to put the place on full lock-down quickly within moments.

I agree. It does not add up that is why I believe he was radicalized or into something but I guess it could be for twisted self serving reasons. Sometimes very rich people will go off the deep end and money does not buy happiness. I'm going to give the investigators more time to come out with the official story.

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Reply #28 posted 10/06/17 4:34pm

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his brother is hoping he has a brain tumor. it's unusual but anyone can crack at anytime. the one thing about old men is, they do tend to be bitter and angry, feeling useless but usually not as violent as their young counterparts, but as far as hatred they are just as bad or worse. And who knows, age screws people up, drug use screws people up, a bad stroke could have gone undiagnosed.

The brother was in shock. Can't read too much into what he said. He woke up to news about his brother that he thought the world of. I've had news of family members commiting suicide various ways and it always messed me up a day or two but this news would be 1000x worse.

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gimmesomehornz said:

If you want to talk about nonsense and idiocy then look no further than the official story we're told through mainstream sources:

A 64 year old multi millionaire in real estate, for reasons no one knows that have not been explained, brought a cartoonish number of 23 guns into the Mandelay Bay casino over the course of several days and on Sunday night knocked out 2 windows on the 32nd floor, and, to spite being in a casino which is a building with its own mini fusion center, in Las Vegas which is the American equivalent of London in how many CCTV cameras it has, this man was somehow able to shoot down at a crowd of thousands of people for over an hour and no one was able to get into the room to stop him for 72 minutes.

This is the same exact casino, by the way, that if the power even goes out, like it did for 40 minutes one day last year, security was able to put the place on full lock-down quickly within moments.


We live in a conspiracy-free world. Apparently.

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