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Thread started 09/09/17 5:14am

midnightmover

The smear campaign continues: Hillary and CNN blame Bernie for her loss to Donald Trump

[Edited 9/9/17 5:30am]

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Reply #1 posted 09/09/17 6:18am

midnightmover

Cenk Uygur does a great job of setting the record straight here. Hillary and her defenders are living in a parallel universe.

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Reply #2 posted 09/09/17 6:33am

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Watch Cenk exploding with anger in this video on the same subject, lol! lol I like the fact that he chastizes Bernie for his real crime here, which was being way too soft on Hillary and letting her off the hook. He promises that next time that won't happen, which I presume is a reference to tougher Justice Democrats that he will be promoting. Anyway, enjoy the anger, lol.

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Reply #3 posted 09/09/17 11:31am

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Bernie, run a third party.

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Reply #4 posted 09/09/17 12:16pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Bernie, run a third party.


I thought most on this forum believed third parties were a waste of a vote.

We were HERE, where were you?

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Reply #5 posted 09/09/17 10:11pm

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hillary just needs to go away

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Reply #6 posted 09/10/17 6:44am

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djThunderfunk said:



2freaky4church1 said:


Bernie, run a third party.




I thought most on this forum believed third parties were a waste of a vote.


The Green Party U.S is everything that most liberals and progressives want the Democratic Party to be.
Yet it seems like people have some sort of nostalgic or emotional attachment to the "brand" of the Democratic Party.
Just let it go and move on to what you really want.



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Reply #7 posted 09/10/17 7:57am

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hausofmoi7 said:

djThunderfunk said:


I thought most on this forum believed third parties were a waste of a vote.

The Green Party U.S is everything that most liberals and progressives want the Democratic Party to be. Yet it seems like people have some sort of nostalgic or emotional attachment to the "brand" of the Democratic Party. Just let it go and move on to what you really want. . [Edited 9/10/17 6:50am]


I've been doing that since 1992. wink

We were HERE, where were you?

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Reply #8 posted 09/10/17 10:33am

TrivialPursuit

I'm not defending anyone because I don't have a dog in the race. But I will say this:

Given the way things work, Bernie split the Dem party. Bernie & Hillary were more alike than different. It's like sugar vs salt, and then you take the salt and divide it between two containers. The Dems became divided. There wasn't someone on the GOP side to divide Trump's momentum. I don't know that all the Bernie supporters went to Hillary by default. That's why Trump won. No one got in there to break up that inertia. Hillary is crooked as fuck, and Bernie distrubed the status quo. Trump appealed to the lowest common xenophobia racist denominator, of which there are more of than not in this country. Ergo - POTUS Orange Anus.

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Reply #9 posted 09/10/17 10:38am

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TrivialPursuit said:

Trump appealed to the lowest common xenophobia racist denominator, of which there are more of than not in this country.


Seriously? You believe that more people in America are xenophobic/racist than are not?

disbelief

What kind of people are you hanging out with?


We were HERE, where were you?

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Reply #10 posted 09/10/17 12:21pm

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hausofmoi7 said:

djThunderfunk said:



2freaky4church1 said:


Bernie, run a third party.




I thought most on this forum believed third parties were a waste of a vote.


The Green Party U.S is everything that most liberals and progressives want the Democratic Party to be.
Yet it seems like people have some sort of nostalgic or emotional attachment to the "brand" of the Democratic Party.
Just let it go and move on to what you really want.

Look what a substantial Third Party vote brought us in 2000 ....

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Reply #11 posted 09/10/17 1:51pm

TrivialPursuit

djThunderfunk said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Trump appealed to the lowest common xenophobia racist denominator, of which there are more of than not in this country.


Seriously? You believe that more people in America are xenophobic/racist than are not?

disbelief

What kind of people are you hanging out with?


I mean that not 100% of people vote. So the ones who did vote for Trump certainly voted based on Trump's Islamophobic and categorizing Mexicans as criminals rants. They're the ones I mentioned. I hope I'm clearer on that. I don't think the majority of this country's people are racist. Trump sure found the ones that are, though.

I hang out with people who aren't bigots.

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Reply #12 posted 09/10/17 2:53pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

djThunderfunk said:


Seriously? You believe that more people in America are xenophobic/racist than are not?

disbelief

What kind of people are you hanging out with?


I mean that not 100% of people vote. So the ones who did vote for Trump certainly voted based on Trump's Islamophobic and categorizing Mexicans as criminals rants. They're the ones I mentioned. I hope I'm clearer on that. I don't think the majority of this country's people are racist. Trump sure found the ones that are, though.

I hang out with people who aren't bigots.


Oh, good. biggrin

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Reply #13 posted 09/10/17 4:43pm

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TrivialPursuit said:



djThunderfunk said:




TrivialPursuit said:


Trump appealed to the lowest common xenophobia racist denominator, of which there are more of than not in this country.




Seriously? You believe that more people in America are xenophobic/racist than are not?

disbelief

What kind of people are you hanging out with?




I mean that not 100% of people vote. So the ones who did vote for Trump certainly voted based on Trump's Islamophobic and categorizing Mexicans as criminals rants. They're the ones I mentioned. I hope I'm clearer on that. I don't think the majority of this country's people are racist. Trump sure found the ones that are, though.

I hang out with people who aren't bigots.


Obviously Trump proved that blatant xenophobia and racism and sexism are NOT disqualifying attributes in American politics
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Reply #14 posted 09/10/17 6:17pm

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jjhunsecker said:

hausofmoi7 said:


The Green Party U.S is everything that most liberals and progressives want the Democratic Party to be.
Yet it seems like people have some sort of nostalgic or emotional attachment to the "brand" of the Democratic Party.
Just let it go and move on to what you really want.

Look what a substantial Third Party vote brought us in 2000 ....

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[Edited 9/10/17 6:50am]

If every democrat, progressive and independent vote Green in 2020 it won't happen again.
As a democrat, the Green Party meets all the requirements you look for.
You don't have to compromise on your principles and beliefs by voting Green like you do by voting democrat.
Since progressives are moving over and its splitting the vote, you should join the greens with the progressives and make sure the republicans don't win again.




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Reply #15 posted 09/10/17 10:59pm

TrivialPursuit

jjhunsecker said:


Obviously Trump proved that blatant xenophobia and racism and sexism are NOT disqualifying attributes in American politics


Oh, totally. Because those things have always been part of American politics and American culture. Women are still paid what...75 cents on the dollar to what a man is paid? Women are still blamed for being raped. People are still afraid of dirty Mexicans, filthy Jews, thug blacks - people are scared of their own damn neighbor, and for no reason that stands up to a litmus test.

The Billy Bush incident was the defining moment. Trump doubled down on it and won anyway. It should have ruined him. That hack Steve Bannon was on 60 Minutes Sunday night and said he was the only one at a meeting (after it aired) that said "you're 100% going to win" because if people would look past that, they'd look past anything.

It reminds me of the Ghana and Nigerian scammers we hear about. We know they have horrible grammar and English. They've said that they don't worry about that, because if someone is dumb enough to look past obviously bad English and grammar then they're the perfect bait to capture and con out of anything they possible. They'll put aside any convictions they have and believe the scammer out of some false hope. The same thing applied with Trump. If people will look past what was basically a rape scenario, or sexual assault at least, then they'll truly elect any asshole with a red tie. And, that, they did.

That makes Trump the ultimate scammer.

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Reply #16 posted 09/11/17 3:42am

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She really is awful. One does have to wonder what kind of yes-men she has around her that nod their approval at her indulging herself in this sort of public score-settling exercise in which she insists its everyone's fault but hers, all carried off in this peculiar parallel universe of campaign spin. All the scripted rally guff about Bernie promising everyone a pony (read: basic healthcare, decent-paying jobs, etc) will surely seem hopelessly self-justifying and out of touch to all but the most fervent of her supporters. Rather unsettling to see the Empress's imputations so dutifully parroted by the sharp-suited pundit panel.

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Reply #17 posted 09/11/17 8:20am

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TrivialPursuit said:

jjhunsecker said:


Obviously Trump proved that blatant xenophobia and racism and sexism are NOT disqualifying attributes in American politics


Oh, totally. Because those things have always been part of American politics and American culture. Women are still paid what...75 cents on the dollar to what a man is paid? Women are still blamed for being raped. People are still afraid of dirty Mexicans, filthy Jews, thug blacks - people are scared of their own damn neighbor, and for no reason that stands up to a litmus test.

The Billy Bush incident was the defining moment. Trump doubled down on it and won anyway. It should have ruined him. That hack Steve Bannon was on 60 Minutes Sunday night and said he was the only one at a meeting (after it aired) that said "you're 100% going to win" because if people would look past that, they'd look past anything.

It reminds me of the Ghana and Nigerian scammers we hear about. We know they have horrible grammar and English. They've said that they don't worry about that, because if someone is dumb enough to look past obviously bad English and grammar then they're the perfect bait to capture and con out of anything they possible. They'll put aside any convictions they have and believe the scammer out of some false hope. The same thing applied with Trump. If people will look past what was basically a rape scenario, or sexual assault at least, then they'll truly elect any asshole with a red tie. And, that, they did.

That makes Trump the ultimate scammer.

So true. It used to be , in modern times, that Conservative politicians coded their racist appeals- Nixon with his Southern Strategy and opposition to "forced busing", Reagan with his talk of "welfare queens driving Cadillacs", Bush 41 with Willie Horton. Trump did nothing to hide it. Just put it out there front and center, and these howling mobs lapped it up . He said and did things that would have destroyed any candidate in the past, and got away with it, probably because he appealed to his audience's basest instincts. The sad thing is that he just used these poor saps who voted for him, and will nver do anything for them. Even sadder is that most of them are too stupid to realize and accept that .

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hausofmoi7 said:

jjhunsecker said: If every democrat, progressive and independent vote Green in 2020 it won't happen again. As a democrat, the Green Party meets all the requirements you look for. You don't have to compromise on your principles and beliefs by voting Green like you do by voting democrat. Since progressives are moving over and its splitting the vote, you should join the greens with the progressives and make sure the republicans don't win again. . [Edited 9/10/17 18:24pm]

It's a great ideal...but it's not going to happen, and we need to do everything we can to prevent Trump from winning again, and for future Trumps to ever getting that far into the system

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Reply #19 posted 09/11/17 9:55am

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Brother Cornel and Jimmy Dore were on a panel talking about a third party. Best to use the party for getting out the word not just elections.

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Reply #20 posted 09/14/17 3:38pm

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djThunderfunk said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Trump appealed to the lowest common xenophobia racist denominator, of which there are more of than not in this country.


Seriously? You believe that more people in America are xenophobic/racist than are not?

disbelief

What kind of people are you hanging out with?


I truly believe there are more bigoted, hateful, people than are not. They're not violent - they keep it behind closed doors and go about their lives. They use social media as the outlet for their hate.

Not just in America, but the entire world. And not just white folks either. I've experienced ignorance from other folks of color (asians, middle-easterners, latinos).

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uPtoWnNY said:

djThunderfunk said:


Seriously? You believe that more people in America are xenophobic/racist than are not?

disbelief

What kind of people are you hanging out with?


I truly believe there are more bigoted, hateful, people than are not. They're not violent - they keep it behind closed doors and go about their lives. They use social media as the outlet for their hate.

Not just in America, but the entire world. And not just white folks either. I've experienced ignorance from other folks of color (asians, middle-easterners, latinos).


You need to hang out with better people.

We were HERE, where were you?

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Reply #22 posted 09/14/17 7:46pm

uPtoWnNY

djThunderfunk said:

uPtoWnNY said:

I truly believe there are more bigoted, hateful, people than are not. They're not violent - they keep it behind closed doors and go about their lives. They use social media as the outlet for their hate.

Not just in America, but the entire world. And not just white folks either. I've experienced ignorance from other folks of color (asians, middle-easterners, latinos).


You need to hang out with better people.

I do.....my inner circle of family & close friends.....to hell with everyone else. The past 20 years have proven what I've always felt about people, especially my fellow Americans.

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Reply #23 posted 09/16/17 1:06am

midnightmover

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Reply #24 posted 09/16/17 10:47am

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They did it on Maher too. Sick. Tired of lame libs.

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Reply #25 posted 09/16/17 11:40am

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Hillary does an interview, saying that white women didn't vote for her because men made them not. Crazy. Women are not breakable.

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Reply #26 posted 09/16/17 11:48am

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2freaky4church1 said:

Hillary does an interview, saying that white women didn't vote for her because men made them not. Crazy. Women are not breakable.


If there are men who think they can tell their wife whom to vote for... they're wrong.

It doesn't even matter that by law they cannot, the wife could simply lie and the husband would never know.

lol

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2freaky4church1 said:

Hillary does an interview, saying that white women didn't vote for her because men made them not. Crazy. Women are not breakable.


I would say the white women who voted for Trump put their White identity before their Female identity
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jjhunsecker said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Hillary does an interview, saying that white women didn't vote for her because men made them not. Crazy. Women are not breakable.


I would say the white women who voted for Trump put their White identity before their Female identity

Hillary didn't support min wage increase which was a huge factor in shrinking the wage disparity between men and women, but neither did Trump.
Hillary put her privilege white elite identity first and was not going to support issues that affect women. People saw that.
Many didn't vote for president at all.
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