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Thread started 08/03/17 8:23am

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Trump Justice Dept attacks Affirmative Action in Colleges

https://www.nytimes.com/2...ities.html

Because we all know how hard it is to be White in America ....

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Reply #1 posted 08/03/17 8:28am

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jjhunsecker said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2...ities.html

Because we all know how hard it is to be White in America ....

[Edited 8/3/17 8:24am]

Sessions gets to flex his KKK muscles!!!

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“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
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Reply #2 posted 08/03/17 9:09am

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We are going backwards. Disgusting. I bet the 53% of white women who voted for Trump don't know Affirmative Action is for them too.

One of the reasons I did NOT "almost feel sorry for Sessions" lately either.

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Reply #3 posted 08/03/17 9:11am

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poppys said:

We are going backwards. Disgusting. I bet the 53% of white women who voted for Trump don't know Affirmative Action is for them too.

One of the reasons I did NOT "almost feel sorry for Sessions" lately either.

There is nothing to feel sorry for. He deserves what he is getting and he won't quit for 2 reasons:

1 - To piss off Trump
2 - To exact his racist agenda.

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Reply #4 posted 08/03/17 9:41am

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I was wondering when Sessions was going to start to prove his bonafides to Trump with even more outlandish policies.

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Reply #5 posted 08/03/17 9:48am

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They've been dialing back education any way they can in Louisiana for years now. Bobby Jindal landed a crushing blow with deep funding cuts - even though he personally benefitted from AA and other social programs - and became Gov. Some politicians here say we don't really need higher education. With Trump they have a way to make every state dumber. Great.



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Reply #6 posted 08/03/17 12:51pm

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it is not against affirmative action proper but against race based discrimination. Giving some groups a slight advantage is one thing but as was the case in Michigan when by some accounts 100% of all black applicants that met the minimum requirements were offered enrollment...in doing so rejecting white applicants whose scores on every other measure was better.

From what I read: it was a point system. There were a number of elements each of which was given a range of points. GPA? Class Rank? Test Scores? Essay scores? and Race/ethnicity... what was clear was points for race/ethnicity was so stacked that it would swamp many other qualifications....and when ever it was the SCOTUS ruled Heavily against the practice.

So what maybe what they are doing is just and right. I am all for affermative action done right... that is seek out Qualified people....even give some under represented some extra advantage to make up for the past... Sure...but it must be within reason.

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Reply #7 posted 08/03/17 1:30pm

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jjhunsecker said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2...ities.html

Because we all know how hard it is to be White in America ....

[Edited 8/3/17 8:24am]

Thank you.

This is the biggest bunch of ignorant bullshit I have ever heard.

White Supremacy is poison.

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Reply #8 posted 08/03/17 1:46pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

it is not against affirmative action proper but against race based discrimination. Giving some groups a slight advantage is one thing but as was the case in Michigan when by some accounts 100% of all black applicants that met the minimum requirements were offered enrollment...in doing so rejecting white applicants whose scores on every other measure was better.

From what I read: it was a point system. There were a number of elements each of which was given a range of points. GPA? Class Rank? Test Scores? Essay scores? and Race/ethnicity... what was clear was points for race/ethnicity was so stacked that it would swamp many other qualifications....and when ever it was the SCOTUS ruled Heavily against the practice.

So what maybe what they are doing is just and right. I am all for affermative action done right... that is seek out Qualified people....even give some under represented some extra advantage to make up for the past... Sure...but it must be within reason.

How about so-called "Legacy" admissions ? By most reports, Jared Kushner did not have the GPA or test scores to get into Harvard, yet Daddy donated $2.5 million bucks, and he was in ... What deserving student lost his or her spot to the Kush ?? And should the Justice Department be investigating if Legacy admissions constitute "discrimination" ? (especially since many of these schools practiced discrimination in the past, and therefore the overwhelming majority of alumni would be White)

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Reply #9 posted 08/03/17 2:16pm

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jjhunsecker said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

it is not against affirmative action proper but against race based discrimination. Giving some groups a slight advantage is one thing but as was the case in Michigan when by some accounts 100% of all black applicants that met the minimum requirements were offered enrollment...in doing so rejecting white applicants whose scores on every other measure was better.

From what I read: it was a point system. There were a number of elements each of which was given a range of points. GPA? Class Rank? Test Scores? Essay scores? and Race/ethnicity... what was clear was points for race/ethnicity was so stacked that it would swamp many other qualifications....and when ever it was the SCOTUS ruled Heavily against the practice.

So what maybe what they are doing is just and right. I am all for affermative action done right... that is seek out Qualified people....even give some under represented some extra advantage to make up for the past... Sure...but it must be within reason.

How about so-called "Legacy" admissions ? By most reports, Jared Kushner did not have the GPA or test scores to get into Harvard, yet Daddy donated $2.5 million bucks, and he was in ... What deserving student lost his or her spot to the Kush ?? And should the Justice Department be investigating if Legacy admissions constitute "discrimination" ? (especially since many of these schools practiced discrimination in the past, and therefore the overwhelming majority of alumni would be White)

yes, legacy admissions do have a Jim crowesk effect on admissions... like the grandfather clause for voting... but that is not in and of itself-- in practice or design meant to have a racial element. As to if it is reasonable to investigate the practice? It would be okay. But that sword has a double if smaller edge to it...



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Reply #10 posted 08/03/17 2:25pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

jjhunsecker said:

How about so-called "Legacy" admissions ? By most reports, Jared Kushner did not have the GPA or test scores to get into Harvard, yet Daddy donated $2.5 million bucks, and he was in ... What deserving student lost his or her spot to the Kush ?? And should the Justice Department be investigating if Legacy admissions constitute "discrimination" ? (especially since many of these schools practiced discrimination in the past, and therefore the overwhelming majority of alumni would be White)

yes, legacy admissions do have a Jim crowesk effect on admissions... like the grandfather clause for voting... but that is not in and of itself-- in practice or design meant to have a racial element. As to if it is reasonable to investigate the practice? It would be okay. But that sword has a double if smaller edge to it...



My guess is legacy admissions far outweigh AA admissions.

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Reply #11 posted 08/03/17 2:42pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

jjhunsecker said:

How about so-called "Legacy" admissions ? By most reports, Jared Kushner did not have the GPA or test scores to get into Harvard, yet Daddy donated $2.5 million bucks, and he was in ... What deserving student lost his or her spot to the Kush ?? And should the Justice Department be investigating if Legacy admissions constitute "discrimination" ? (especially since many of these schools practiced discrimination in the past, and therefore the overwhelming majority of alumni would be White)

yes, legacy admissions do have a Jim crowesk effect on admissions... like the grandfather clause for voting... but that is not in and of itself-- in practice or design meant to have a racial element. As to if it is reasonable to investigate the practice? It would be okay. But that sword has a double if smaller edge to it...



My point is that if people are complaining that so-called Affirmative Action is allowing in people who have a lower GPA or test scores because of race, then Lagacy Admissions should be criticized and attacked with the same vehemence for doing the same thing - it may not be "designed" to have a racial element (though that is debatable) but it certainly ends up having one

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Reply #12 posted 08/03/17 2:43pm

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poppys said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

yes, legacy admissions do have a Jim crowesk effect on admissions... like the grandfather clause for voting... but that is not in and of itself-- in practice or design meant to have a racial element. As to if it is reasonable to investigate the practice? It would be okay. But that sword has a double if smaller edge to it...



My guess is legacy admissions far outweigh AA admissions.

Most likely

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Reply #13 posted 08/03/17 3:09pm

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jjhunsecker said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

yes, legacy admissions do have a Jim crowesk effect on admissions... like the grandfather clause for voting... but that is not in and of itself-- in practice or design meant to have a racial element. As to if it is reasonable to investigate the practice? It would be okay. But that sword has a double if smaller edge to it...



My point is that if people are complaining that so-called Affirmative Action is allowing in people who have a lower GPA or test scores because of race, then Lagacy Admissions should be criticized and attacked with the same vehemence for doing the same thing - it may not be "designed" to have a racial element (though that is debatable) but it certainly ends up having one

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and as I said it seems reasonable to investigate the practice... it is like Disparate impact in employment practices... i get that I said that. You and I agree it seems and I have always seen this.

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Reply #14 posted 08/03/17 3:50pm

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jjhunsecker said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

yes, legacy admissions do have a Jim crowesk effect on admissions... like the grandfather clause for voting... but that is not in and of itself-- in practice or design meant to have a racial element. As to if it is reasonable to investigate the practice? It would be okay. But that sword has a double if smaller edge to it...



My point is that if people are complaining that so-called Affirmative Action is allowing in people who have a lower GPA or test scores because of race, then Lagacy Admissions should be criticized and attacked with the same vehemence for doing the same thing - it may not be "designed" to have a racial element (though that is debatable) but it certainly ends up having one

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What do you think of this solution JJ? It has merit, IMO.

The right fix to affirmative action: Progressives should answer the President's apparent plans with their own reforms

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/fix-affirmative-action-article-1.3378734

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Reply #15 posted 08/04/17 8:09am

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uPtoWnNY said:

jjhunsecker said:

My point is that if people are complaining that so-called Affirmative Action is allowing in people who have a lower GPA or test scores because of race, then Lagacy Admissions should be criticized and attacked with the same vehemence for doing the same thing - it may not be "designed" to have a racial element (though that is debatable) but it certainly ends up having one

[Edited 8/3/17 14:44pm]

What do you think of this solution JJ? It has merit, IMO.

The right fix to affirmative action: Progressives should answer the President's apparent plans with their own reforms

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/fix-affirmative-action-article-1.3378734

I do agree that there ought to be some sort of economic based Affirmative Action, that helps people of all backgrounds. However, I also still believe that in America, even the poorest Whites (unless they are say homeless or toothless living in trailer park) are treated better and have more opportunities than even the most middle class Blacks or Latinos. I think that reality has to be acknowledged

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Reply #16 posted 08/04/17 8:31am

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We do need more butta skin in college. ha

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