independent and unofficial
Prince fan community site
Sat 23rd Sep 2017 12:59pm
Welcome! Sign up or enter username and password to remember me
Forum jump
Forums > Politics & Religion > Paul Street: The American Revolution is a fantasy.
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Page 1 of 2 12>
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
Author

Tweet     Share

Message
Thread started 07/05/17 11:11am

2freaky4church
1

avatar

Paul Street: The American Revolution is a fantasy.

Good one my marxist brother:

https://www.counterpunch....evolution/

We would have ended slavery earlier if Britain still ruled us.

"2freaky is a complete stud." DJ
"2freaky is very down." 2Elijah.
"2freaky convinced me to join Antifa: OnlyNDA
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #1 posted 07/05/17 12:36pm

Dasein

Am eager to read this article/essay later . . .

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #2 posted 07/05/17 2:19pm

poppys

Good read freaky. Thanks

Kick the old-school joints. For the true funk soldiers.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #3 posted 07/05/17 3:54pm

IanRG

My first thought about this article is "well duh". Everyone outside of the US has been knowingly winking at each other every time we hear people from the US talk about their nation's "forefathers" or when they fail to see the irony in being self-proclaimed leaders of the free-world and defenders of democracy.

.

Then I started thinking what is a revolution? Does the simple fact that virtually every revolution, no matter the rhetoric, ends with people and events like like Napolean, the Cultural revolution, Year Zero, Stalin etc. mean they were not revolutions? Or does it just mean that revolutions ultimately end in securing power for another elite - an elite often related to one they replaced? Eg Mao was in government in the same organisation (the KMT) with Chiang Kai-shek, his nemesis, before their revolution.

[Edited 7/5/17 15:56pm]

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #4 posted 07/05/17 4:46pm

Dasein

poppys said:

Good read freaky. Thanks


Ditto.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #5 posted 07/06/17 2:40am

2elijah

avatar

2freaky4church1 said:

Good one my marxist brother:



https://www.counterpunch....evolution/



We would have ended slavery earlier if Britain still ruled us.




I don't mean to go off topic a bit, but...slavery may have ended the way many Americans perceive slavery to be, but slavery has not ended in the U.S., it was just revolutionized, post-civil war, into the American prison industrial complex/cheap labor force.

You have to remember that slavery is what built America's economic wealth, class division and power, and this country was very dependent on slavery, and still is, in a different form. The British leaving didn't stop America from finding different ways to maintain and upgrade slavery, where they could benefit from it in a profitable manner.

That's why the drug war is bs, because there will always be drugs (and illegal guns) flowing in the U.S., because that's what keeps prisons full
and police depts from layoffs.

Empty prisons would mean layoffs in prisons, police depts, other areas of law enforcement, and a lack of a cheap labor force, and no profits for the corporate, private prison owners, and the vendors they do business with. So no, slavery has not ended in the U.S. the way many Americans perceive slavery to be, especially when the U.S. has more people in prison than the rest of the world.


And in the words of Bernie Sanders: "The United States has 'more people in jail than any other country on Earth'

http://www.politifact.com...ple-jail-/



Okay, back on topic.
[Edited 7/6/17 4:32am]
'Trump voters got Hoodwinked by Trump' popcorn coke
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #6 posted 07/06/17 8:13am

djThunderfunk

avatar

2elijah said:

2freaky4church1 said:

Good one my marxist brother:

https://www.counterpunch....evolution/

We would have ended slavery earlier if Britain still ruled us.

I don't mean to go off topic a bit, but...slavery may have ended the way many Americans perceive slavery to be, but slavery has not ended in the U.S., it was just revolutionized, post-civil war, into the American prison industrial complex/cheap labor force. You have to remember that slavery is what built America's economic wealth, class division and power, and this country was very dependent on slavery, and still is, in a different form. The British leaving didn't stop America from finding different ways to maintain and upgrade slavery, where they could benefit from it in a profitable manner. That's why the drug war is bs, because there will always be drugs (and illegal guns) flowing in the U.S., because that's what keeps prisons full and police depts from layoffs. Empty prisons would mean layoffs in prisons, police depts, other areas of law enforcement, and a lack of a cheap labor force, and no profits for the corporate, private prison owners, and the vendors they do business with. So no, slavery has not ended in the U.S. the way many Americans perceive slavery to be, especially when the U.S. has more people in prison than the rest of the world. And in the words of Bernie Sanders: "The United States has 'more people in jail than any other country on Earth' http://www.politifact.com...ple-jail-/ Okay, back on topic. [Edited 7/6/17 4:32am]


AND, slavery is not unique to the U.S. ALL of us participating on this board are doing so with devices that most of us could not afford were it not for slave labor.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #7 posted 07/06/17 8:14am

djThunderfunk

avatar

2freaky4church1 said:

Good one my marxist brother:

https://www.counterpunch....evolution/

We would have ended slavery earlier if Britain still ruled us.


I'm sure britain would be happy to take you in, 2freaky. wave

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #8 posted 07/06/17 11:25am

2freaky4church
1

avatar

Nah, wanna stay here and bug you DJ.

"2freaky is a complete stud." DJ
"2freaky is very down." 2Elijah.
"2freaky convinced me to join Antifa: OnlyNDA
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #9 posted 07/07/17 4:51am

SuperFurryAnim
al

avatar

djThunderfunk said:

2elijah said:

2freaky4church1 said: I don't mean to go off topic a bit, but...slavery may have ended the way many Americans perceive slavery to be, but slavery has not ended in the U.S., it was just revolutionized, post-civil war, into the American prison industrial complex/cheap labor force. You have to remember that slavery is what built America's economic wealth, class division and power, and this country was very dependent on slavery, and still is, in a different form. The British leaving didn't stop America from finding different ways to maintain and upgrade slavery, where they could benefit from it in a profitable manner. That's why the drug war is bs, because there will always be drugs (and illegal guns) flowing in the U.S., because that's what keeps prisons full and police depts from layoffs. Empty prisons would mean layoffs in prisons, police depts, other areas of law enforcement, and a lack of a cheap labor force, and no profits for the corporate, private prison owners, and the vendors they do business with. So no, slavery has not ended in the U.S. the way many Americans perceive slavery to be, especially when the U.S. has more people in prison than the rest of the world. And in the words of Bernie Sanders: "The United States has 'more people in jail than any other country on Earth' http://www.politifact.com...ple-jail-/ Okay, back on topic. [Edited 7/6/17 4:32am]


AND, slavery is not unique to the U.S. ALL of us participating on this board are doing so with devices that most of us could not afford were it not for slave labor.

Great point DJ. Modern day slavery is something many people do not want to discuss or are blind to it. The injustice in USA today pale in comparison to people living in slave labor camps working 18 hours a day and getting paid pennies an hour.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #10 posted 07/07/17 5:49am

2elijah

avatar

djThunderfunk said:



2elijah said:


2freaky4church1 said:

Good one my marxist brother:



https://www.counterpunch....evolution/



We would have ended slavery earlier if Britain still ruled us.



I don't mean to go off topic a bit, but...slavery may have ended the way many Americans perceive slavery to be, but slavery has not ended in the U.S., it was just revolutionized, post-civil war, into the American prison industrial complex/cheap labor force. You have to remember that slavery is what built America's economic wealth, class division and power, and this country was very dependent on slavery, and still is, in a different form. The British leaving didn't stop America from finding different ways to maintain and upgrade slavery, where they could benefit from it in a profitable manner. That's why the drug war is bs, because there will always be drugs (and illegal guns) flowing in the U.S., because that's what keeps prisons full and police depts from layoffs. Empty prisons would mean layoffs in prisons, police depts, other areas of law enforcement, and a lack of a cheap labor force, and no profits for the corporate, private prison owners, and the vendors they do business with. So no, slavery has not ended in the U.S. the way many Americans perceive slavery to be, especially when the U.S. has more people in prison than the rest of the world. And in the words of Bernie Sanders: "The United States has 'more people in jail than any other country on Earth' http://www.politifact.com...ple-jail-/ Okay, back on topic. [Edited 7/6/17 4:32am]


AND, slavery is not unique to the U.S. ALL of us participating on this board are doing so with devices that most of us could not afford were it not for slave labor.


Oh, I see you actually understood the part about 'cheap labor', in my post, but the reality is, one making a 'personal ' choice to buy something they can't afford, cannot be compared to America's bloody and barbaric history of slavery or the fact that the U.S., has more people incarcerated than any other country in the world. That's America's upgraded (modern-day) slavery since post civil-war/WWI. Thanks for your input, bad try though. comfort smile
[Edited 7/7/17 6:08am]
'Trump voters got Hoodwinked by Trump' popcorn coke
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #11 posted 07/07/17 5:59am

SuperFurryAnim
al

avatar

I think DJ was referring "Santas Workshop"

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #12 posted 07/07/17 6:05am

2elijah

avatar

SuperFurryAnimal said:



djThunderfunk said:




2elijah said:


2freaky4church1 said: I don't mean to go off topic a bit, but...slavery may have ended the way many Americans perceive slavery to be, but slavery has not ended in the U.S., it was just revolutionized, post-civil war, into the American prison industrial complex/cheap labor force. You have to remember that slavery is what built America's economic wealth, class division and power, and this country was very dependent on slavery, and still is, in a different form. The British leaving didn't stop America from finding different ways to maintain and upgrade slavery, where they could benefit from it in a profitable manner. That's why the drug war is bs, because there will always be drugs (and illegal guns) flowing in the U.S., because that's what keeps prisons full and police depts from layoffs. Empty prisons would mean layoffs in prisons, police depts, other areas of law enforcement, and a lack of a cheap labor force, and no profits for the corporate, private prison owners, and the vendors they do business with. So no, slavery has not ended in the U.S. the way many Americans perceive slavery to be, especially when the U.S. has more people in prison than the rest of the world. And in the words of Bernie Sanders: "The United States has 'more people in jail than any other country on Earth' http://www.politifact.com...ple-jail-/ Okay, back on topic. [Edited 7/6/17 4:32am]


AND, slavery is not unique to the U.S. ALL of us participating on this board are doing so with devices that most of us could not afford were it not for slave labor.




Great point DJ. Modern day slavery is something many people do not want to discuss or are blind to it. The injustice in USA today pale in comparison to people living in slave labor camps working 18 hours a day and getting paid pennies an hour.


Lmao.. ok here we go. Lol. America's history of slavery is not what a lot of Americans like to discuss, so they deflect by bringing up another country's wrongs or injustices to downplay America's injustices.

America's modern-day slavery is its prison system, which is another fact many Americans play blind to or just ignorant about it. Don't expect to see drugs and guns disappear from the streets of America, because that would mean layoffs in law enforcement jobs, and no profits for the corporations who own private prisons, and do business with federal, state and local prions/jails. Did you not 'get that' part in my post or did you play 'blind' to it? :popcorn:

Let's not try to pretend that slavery in any form is new to America. America has always been dependent on slavery in various forms. After all...slavery was the foundation that built America's economic wealth and power. Thanks for your input though, and enjoy your day. smile
'Trump voters got Hoodwinked by Trump' popcorn coke
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #13 posted 07/07/17 6:07am

poppys

It's really hard for most American white guys to talk about slavery in the US. They will throw the kitchen sink in there to deflect and make less of it. There was a worldwide anti-slavery movement going on for hundreds of years during the African slave trade. Many people were against it, period. Never gets mentioned.

The state of Louisiana has the highest number of incarcerated per capita than any COUNTRY in the world. It is no accident that Angola Prison used to be a slave breeding farm. What white men in power should be doing is looking at this and fixing it. And they can too. They just don't want to.

Kick the old-school joints. For the true funk soldiers.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #14 posted 07/07/17 6:09am

SuperFurryAnim
al

avatar

We want to change the world. What is good for us is good for them. We want equal pay for China, Mexico too. Yes, I'm more interested in modern day slavery and changing the world today and not as interested in history from hundreds of years ago.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #15 posted 07/07/17 6:09am

djThunderfunk

avatar

2elijah said:

djThunderfunk said:


AND, slavery is not unique to the U.S. ALL of us participating on this board are doing so with devices that most of us could not afford were it not for slave labor.

Oh, I see you actually understood the part about 'cheap labor', in my post, but the reality is, one making a 'personal ' choice to buy something they can't afford, cannot be compared to America's bloody and barbaric history of slavery or the fact that the U.S., has more people incarcerated than any other country in the world. Bad try though. comfort Next. smile


So, you don't think you support slave labor when you buy a new phone or device that is only cheap enough for you to afford because of the slave labor? You're that disconnected?

Would you pay twice or three times as much or even more for your next phone if that meant that it was made by people who had a choice and who could make a fair wage for their labor?

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #16 posted 07/07/17 6:14am

2elijah

avatar

poppys said:

It's really hard for most American white guys to talk about slavery in the US. They will throw the kitchen sink in there to deflect and make less of it. There was a worldwide anti-slavery movement going on for hundreds of years during the African slave trade. Many people were against it, period. Never gets mentioned.

The state of Louisiana has the highest number of incarcerated per capita than any COUNTRY in the world. It is no accident that Angola Prison used to be a slave breeding farm. What white men in power should be doing is looking at this and fixing it. And they can too. They just don't want to.


(Bolded part) True. America fronts itself to the world as the leader of 'free men' and 'liberty and justice for all', but there really isn't liberty and 'justice' for 'all.'
'Trump voters got Hoodwinked by Trump' popcorn coke
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #17 posted 07/07/17 6:14am

djThunderfunk

avatar

2elijah said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Great point DJ. Modern day slavery is something many people do not want to discuss or are blind to it. The injustice in USA today pale in comparison to people living in slave labor camps working 18 hours a day and getting paid pennies an hour.

Lmao.. ok here we go. Lol. America's history of slavery is not what a lot of Americans like to discuss, so they deflect by bringing up another country's wrongs or injustices to downplay America's injustices. America's modern-day slavery is its prison system, which is another fact many Americans play blind to or just ignorant about it. Don't expect to see drugs and guns disappear from the streets of America, because that would mean layoffs in law enforcement jobs, and no profits for the corporations who own private prisons, and do business with federal, state and local prions/jails. Did you not 'get that' part in my post or did you play 'blind' to it? popcorn Let's not try to pretend that slavery in any form is new to America. America has always been dependent on slavery in various forms. After all...slavery was the foundation that built America's economic wealth and power. Thanks for your input though, and enjoy your day. smile


I absolutely agree with the bolded and in fact have made that exact statement on these boards more than once. Ending the war on drugs is the first step to ending this embarassing reality of modern day America.

This does not change the FACT that our phones/computers/devices are only affordable because of slave labor. We support slave labor every time we buy a new device. If you truly care about the injustice of slavery you must face this reality as well.

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #18 posted 07/07/17 6:22am

poppys

SuperFurryAnimal said:

We want to change the world. What is good for us is good for them. We want equal pay for China, Mexico too. Yes, I'm more interested in modern day slavery and changing the world today and not as interested in history from hundreds of years ago.

That's great. Y'all need to get started then. The men in power can do lots of good things for people. Instead they makes deals for rich billionaires and corporations. Since when is that government? My parents and grandparents are rolling over in their graves.

Kick the old-school joints. For the true funk soldiers.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #19 posted 07/07/17 6:30am

2elijah

avatar

djThunderfunk said:



2elijah said:


djThunderfunk said:



AND, slavery is not unique to the U.S. ALL of us participating on this board are doing so with devices that most of us could not afford were it not for slave labor.



Oh, I see you actually understood the part about 'cheap labor', in my post, but the reality is, one making a 'personal ' choice to buy something they can't afford, cannot be compared to America's bloody and barbaric history of slavery or the fact that the U.S., has more people incarcerated than any other country in the world. Bad try though. comfort Next. smile


So, you don't think you support slave labor when you buy a new phone or device that is only cheap enough for you to afford because of the slave labor? You're that disconnected?

Would you pay twice or three times as much or even more for your next phone if that meant that it was made by people who had a choice and who could make a fair wage for their labor?


Buying a cell phone is a choice. Buying something you can't afford is a choice. If you read my post where I mentioned 'cheap labor', then you would have no reason to ask that question, if you actually understood what that meant. Everyone in America is a slave to the system.

Prison is America's upgraded slavery system, whether they have inmates making uniforms, cell phone parts or renting minimum-level inmates out to fast food restaurants or construction companies.. it's all cheap labor, and all part of that system. Have a great day. thumbs up!
'Trump voters got Hoodwinked by Trump' popcorn coke
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #20 posted 07/07/17 6:31am

2elijah

avatar

poppys said:



SuperFurryAnimal said:


We want to change the world. What is good for us is good for them. We want equal pay for China, Mexico too. Yes, I'm more interested in modern day slavery and changing the world today and not as interested in history from hundreds of years ago.



That's great. Y'all need to get started then. The men in power can do lots of good things for people. Instead they makes deals for rich billionaires and corporations. Since when is that government? My parents and grandparents are rolling over in their graves.


clapping Exactly.
[Edited 7/7/17 6:31am]
'Trump voters got Hoodwinked by Trump' popcorn coke
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #21 posted 07/07/17 6:38am

djThunderfunk

avatar

2elijah said:

djThunderfunk said:


So, you don't think you support slave labor when you buy a new phone or device that is only cheap enough for you to afford because of the slave labor? You're that disconnected?

Would you pay twice or three times as much or even more for your next phone if that meant that it was made by people who had a choice and who could make a fair wage for their labor?

Buying a cell phone is a choice. Buying something you can't afford is a choice. If you read my post where I mentioned 'cheap labor', then you would have no reason to ask that question, if you actually understood what that meant. Everyone in America is a slave to the system. Prison is America's upgraded slavery system, whether they have inmates making uniforms, cell phone parts or renting minimum-level inmates out to fast food restaurants or construction companies.. it's all cheap labor, and all part of that system. Have a great day. thumbs up!


Right, when you buy a cell phone you CHOSE to support slave labor that is even worse than our prison system in America. Those that make the phones do NOT have a choice.

And I AGREE with you about our prison system. No comment on the first step to fixing it being the end of the war on drugs? Find me a democrat that wants to end the war on drugs and I'll vote for them. But you won't, because only independents and libertarians want to end the war on drugs. Democrat politicians are just as happy as republican politicians to obey they're corporate overlords and keep the war on drugs and the prison industrial complex going.


We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #22 posted 07/07/17 8:50am

2elijah

avatar

Mm

djThunderfunk said:



2elijah said:


djThunderfunk said:



So, you don't think you support slave labor when you buy a new phone or device that is only cheap enough for you to afford because of the slave labor? You're that disconnected?

Would you pay twice or three times as much or even more for your next phone if that meant that it was made by people who had a choice and who could make a fair wage for their labor?



Buying a cell phone is a choice. Buying something you can't afford is a choice. If you read my post where I mentioned 'cheap labor', then you would have no reason to ask that question, if you actually understood what that meant. Everyone in America is a slave to the system. Prison is America's upgraded slavery system, whether they have inmates making uniforms, cell phone parts or renting minimum-level inmates out to fast food restaurants or construction companies.. it's all cheap labor, and all part of that system. Have a great day. thumbs up!


Right, when you buy a cell phone you CHOSE to support slave labor that is even worse than our prison system in America. Those that make the phones do NOT have a choice.

And I AGREE with you about our prison system. No comment on the first step to fixing it being the end of the war on drugs? Find me a democrat that wants to end the war on drugs and I'll vote for them. But you won't, because only independents and libertarians want to end the war on drugs. Democrat politicians are just as happy as republican politicians to obey they're corporate overlords and keep the war on drugs and the prison industrial complex going.



I will repeat it again...Americans are slaves to this system, even if they buy cell phones, furniture, uniforms or items of basic necessities etc., made by inmates, even if many are not aware who was/is behind making/or building it. The point and fact.. prison is the new, modern-day slavery.

Slaves in the past had no choice either, and those who owned and didn't own them, benefitted from from their labor and pain. They were forced to work the fields of plantations and homes of slaveowners, many abused/tortured, raped, bred like cattle, torn from their loved ones, and then some. They were the cheap labor force that contributed in building America's economic wealth through slave labor.

Today the cheap labor force is America's prison system. Empty prisons, no profits.
If there was a drug war, there'd be less in prison, less profits. If there was less crime in this country, there'd be less in prison, less profits. Blaming one political party over another is not the reason or answer. It's bigger than that. Law enforcement, correctional facilities, jails, corporations, the drug suppliers, have always been in bed with one another, since post-civil war/WWI.
[Edited 7/7/17 8:51am]
'Trump voters got Hoodwinked by Trump' popcorn coke
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #23 posted 07/07/17 9:00am

djThunderfunk

avatar

2elijah said:

Mm djThunderfunk said:


Right, when you buy a cell phone you CHOSE to support slave labor that is even worse than our prison system in America. Those that make the phones do NOT have a choice.

And I AGREE with you about our prison system. No comment on the first step to fixing it being the end of the war on drugs? Find me a democrat that wants to end the war on drugs and I'll vote for them. But you won't, because only independents and libertarians want to end the war on drugs. Democrat politicians are just as happy as republican politicians to obey they're corporate overlords and keep the war on drugs and the prison industrial complex going.


I will repeat it again...Americans are slaves to this system, even if they buy cell phones, furniture, uniforms or items of basic necessities etc., made by inmates, even if many are not aware who was/is behind making/or building it. The point and fact.. prison is the new, modern-day slavery. Slaves in the past had no choice either, and those who owned and didn't own them, benefitted from from their labor and pain. They were forced to work the fields of plantations and homes of slaveowners, many abused/tortured, raped, bred like cattle, torn from their loved ones, and then some. They were the cheap labor force that contributed in building America's economic wealth through slave labor. Today the cheap labor force is America's prison system. Empty prisons, no profits. If there was a drug war, there'd be less in prison, less profits. If there was less crime in this country, there'd be less in prison, less profits. Blaming one political party over another is not the reason or answer. It's bigger than that. Law enforcement, correctional facilities, jails, corporations, the drug suppliers, have always been in bed with one another, since post-civil war/WWI. [Edited 7/7/17 8:51am]


Ok, we're having 2 conversations, so to clarify:

When I bring up phones and devices, I am not talking about American prison labor but rather the sweat shops in Asia. The people who make them make pennies and many commit suicide to escape. Look it up.

Now on to America. Yes. Agreed. The American prison industrial complex is a disgrace. It is fueled primarily by the war on drugs. I am not blaming "one political party", I blame BOTH political parties for continuing to perpetuate the problem. I know the republican party will do NOTHING to change this, I am simply making sure you know that the democrat party will also do NOTHING to change it. Both obey their corporate overlords, NEITHER will make moves to end it.

Therefore, if you want to see an end to this problem, step one is to end the war on drugs. As neither the republican party or the democrat party will do that, it only makes sense to support the libertarians or another independant party that does want to end the war on drugs and does want to reduce our prison population.

Voting for democrats will perpetuate the problem as much as voting for republicans. If you are voting for either then you are supporting the continuation of the war on drugs and the escalation of our prison industrial complex.

Does this clarify my position for you? Because, I don't think we really disagree about the problems, maybe the solution, but not the problem. Rather I think we are miscommunicating with each other.


[Edited 7/7/17 9:02am]

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #24 posted 07/07/17 9:02am

SuperFurryAnim
al

avatar

*2 million jail prisoners in USA out of 321 million population. Less than 1% of population.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #25 posted 07/07/17 9:06am

djThunderfunk

avatar

SuperFurryAnimal said:

*2 million jail prisoners in USA out of 321 million population. Less than 1% of population.


We are the WORST in the world for prison population:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/html/nn2page1.stm

Check the stats. We are worse than China and Russia. This is disgraceful that the country of "freedom" has more prisoners per capita than the countries we consider "oppressive".

We were HERE, where were you?

4 those that knew the number and didn't call... fk all y'all!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #26 posted 07/07/17 10:23am

SuperFurryAnim
al

avatar

djThunderfunk said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

*2 million jail prisoners in USA out of 321 million population. Less than 1% of population.


We are the WORST in the world for prison population:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/html/nn2page1.stm

Check the stats. We are worse than China and Russia. This is disgraceful that the country of "freedom" has more prisoners per capita than the countries we consider "oppressive".

DJ it is a problem and I think 2E made a good point about economic slavery, can have it without prison. To put it into perspective we also have 35% of the population of welfare.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #27 posted 07/07/17 10:23am

2elijah

avatar

djThunderfunk said:



SuperFurryAnimal said:


*2 million jail prisoners in USA out of 321 million population. Less than 1% of population.




We are the WORST in the world for prison population:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/html/nn2page1.stm


Check the stats. We are worse than China and Russia. This is disgraceful that the country of "freedom" has more prisoners per capita than the countries we consider "oppressive".


Exactly.
'Trump voters got Hoodwinked by Trump' popcorn coke
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #28 posted 07/07/17 10:34am

SuperFurryAnim
al

avatar

2elijah said:

djThunderfunk said:


We are the WORST in the world for prison population:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/shared/spl/hi/uk/06/prisons/html/nn2page1.stm

Check the stats. We are worse than China and Russia. This is disgraceful that the country of "freedom" has more prisoners per capita than the countries we consider "oppressive".

Exactly.

I disagree on principal. If you think China is better if you think there is "freedom" in working for 18 hours a day in a factory with fence keeping in for cents an hour that is different than living in America where many people do nothing and get by. People make bad choices they wind up in prison though it is an industrial complex those very people are sleeping about the NWO/Globalists agenda.

  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #29 posted 07/07/17 10:37am

2elijah

avatar

djThunderfunk said:



2elijah said:


Mm djThunderfunk said:



Right, when you buy a cell phone you CHOSE to support slave labor that is even worse than our prison system in America. Those that make the phones do NOT have a choice.

And I AGREE with you about our prison system. No comment on the first step to fixing it being the end of the war on drugs? Find me a democrat that wants to end the war on drugs and I'll vote for them. But you won't, because only independents and libertarians want to end the war on drugs. Democrat politicians are just as happy as republican politicians to obey they're corporate overlords and keep the war on drugs and the prison industrial complex going.




I will repeat it again...Americans are slaves to this system, even if they buy cell phones, furniture, uniforms or items of basic necessities etc., made by inmates, even if many are not aware who was/is behind making/or building it. The point and fact.. prison is the new, modern-day slavery. Slaves in the past had no choice either, and those who owned and didn't own them, benefitted from from their labor and pain. They were forced to work the fields of plantations and homes of slaveowners, many abused/tortured, raped, bred like cattle, torn from their loved ones, and then some. They were the cheap labor force that contributed in building America's economic wealth through slave labor. Today the cheap labor force is America's prison system. Empty prisons, no profits. If there was a drug war, there'd be less in prison, less profits. If there was less crime in this country, there'd be less in prison, less profits. Blaming one political party over another is not the reason or answer. It's bigger than that. Law enforcement, correctional facilities, jails, corporations, the drug suppliers, have always been in bed with one another, since post-civil war/WWI. [Edited 7/7/17 8:51am]


Ok, we're having 2 conversations, so to clarify:

When I bring up phones and devices, I am not talking about American prison labor but rather the sweat shops in Asia. The people who make them make pennies and many commit suicide to escape. Look it up.

Now on to America. Yes. Agreed. The American prison industrial complex is a disgrace. It is fueled primarily by the war on drugs. I am not blaming "one political party", I blame BOTH political parties for continuing to perpetuate the problem. I know the republican party will do NOTHING to change this, I am simply making sure you know that the democrat party will also do NOTHING to change it. Both obey their corporate overlords, NEITHER will make moves to end it.

Therefore, if you want to see an end to this problem, step one is to end the war on drugs. As neither the republican party or the democrat party will do that, it only makes sense to support the libertarians or another independant party that does want to end the war on drugs and does want to reduce our prison population.

Voting for democrats will perpetuate the problem as much as voting for republicans. If you are voting for either then you are supporting the continuation of the war on drugs and the escalation of our prison industrial complex.

Does this clarify my position for you? Because, I don't think we really disagree about the problems, maybe the solution, but not the problem. Rather I think we are miscommunicating with each other.


[Edited 7/7/17 9:02am]



The war on drugs is bs and this whole drug thing, is bigger than any party one supports, because that will not stop drugs from flowing into this country. Drug money buys weapons. Drugs funds wars. Full prisons and jail cells brings profits, cheap labor and avoids layoffs in law enforcement. I mean when was the last time we've heard of police dept layoffs? Probably not since the early 80s. And yes how can the rest of the world take America's 'words seriously, about ' justice and liberty for all,' when America has the highest number of people incarcerated in the world, and have behind-the-scenes cheap labor force going on, then criticized and judge another country for their wrongs and injustices? That just doesn't make any sense.
[Edited 7/7/17 10:37am]
'Trump voters got Hoodwinked by Trump' popcorn coke
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Page 1 of 2 12>
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Forums > Politics & Religion > Paul Street: The American Revolution is a fantasy.