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Thread started 06/21/17 5:50am

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TRUMP CARE BILL - WILL IT PASS OR NOT?

The senate committee met in secret? No public hearings or debate? What kind of bullshit is that?

http://www.npr.org/2017/0...-care-bill

The Senate has not held any public hearings on their health care bill (the House did), senators involved in the talks have been tight-lipped on the substance, and the public will only have a few days to see it before it gets a vote.

McConnell brushed off questions about transparency. "They'll have plenty of time," he told reporters Tuesday. "We've been discussing all the elements of this endlessly for seven years. Everybody pretty well understands it. Everybody will have adequate time to take a look at it."

That argument rings hollow with some of his fellow Republicans. "We used to complain like hell when the Democrats ran the Affordable Care Act. Now, we're doing the same thing," Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., told CNN.

"If you're frustrated in the lack of transparency in this process, I share your frustration," Sen. Mike Lee, R-Utah, said in a Facebook video for his constituents. Lee is a part of the 13-member working group, but he said he hasn't seen the draft bill. "I just haven't been able to see it yet and as far as I know the overwhelming majority of my colleagues haven't been able to see it either."

[Edited 6/24/17 14:55pm]

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Reply #1 posted 06/21/17 5:57am

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Because TrumpCare has about a 17% approval rating.

But the GOP has put themselves in a giant hole with their base. After bleating "Repeal and Replace!" for seven years, they have to repeal and replace. Or at least try. Because if they don't, every single Republican will get Tea Partied in the 2018 primaries and probably lose.

The biggest travesty in all this is that the GOP whined for seven years but never actually took the time to figure out what they'd do when they got their chance.

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Reply #2 posted 06/21/17 6:45am

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RodeoSchro said:

Because TrumpCare has about a 17% approval rating.

But the GOP has put themselves in a giant hole with their base. After bleating "Repeal and Replace!" for seven years, they have to repeal and replace. Or at least try. Because if they don't, every single Republican will get Tea Partied in the 2018 primaries and probably lose.

The biggest travesty in all this is that the GOP whined for seven years but never actually took the time to figure out what they'd do when they got their chance.

Unfortunately, seems this is what they wanted to do. Another "rip off the band-aid" move to kick 20 million + people off health insurance and limit Medicaid (American freedom). Once people with pre-existing get kicked off, they will be penalized for being dropped and premiums will skyrocket. Make way for tax cuts for the wealthy who can afford health insurance.

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Reply #3 posted 06/21/17 11:12am

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Because it is screwing the american people and going to make health insurance unaffordable.

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Reply #4 posted 06/22/17 10:48pm

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Because it is screwing the american people and going to make health insurance unaffordable.


Bingo.

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Reply #5 posted 06/24/17 3:22pm

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Good for Heller. clapping

https://www.nytimes.com/2...5&_r=0

WASHINGTON — Senator Dean Heller of Nevada, perhaps the most vulnerable Republican facing re-election in 2018, said Friday that he would not support the Senate health care overhaul as written, dealing a serious blow to his party’s attempt to repeal the Affordable Care Act just days before a showdown vote.

Using remarkably harsh language, Mr. Heller, who is seen as a pivotal swing vote, denounced the Senate-drafted bill in terms that Democrats swiftly seized on. He said the measure would deprive millions of health care and do nothing to lower insurance premiums.

“I cannot support a piece of legislation that takes insurance away from tens of millions of Americans,” he said at a news conference in Las Vegas, standing next to Nevada’s Republican governor, Brian Sandoval, who accepted federal funding under the Affordable Care Act to expand Medicaid.

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Reply #6 posted 06/24/17 3:49pm

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Good for Heller. clapping

https://www.nytimes.com/2...5&_r=0

WASHINGTON — Senator Dean Heller of Nevada, perhaps the most vulnerable Republican facing re-election in 2018, said Friday that he would not support the Senate health care overhaul as written, dealing a serious blow to his party’s attempt to repeal the Affordable Care Act just days before a showdown vote.

Using remarkably harsh language, Mr. Heller, who is seen as a pivotal swing vote, denounced the Senate-drafted bill in terms that Democrats swiftly seized on. He said the measure would deprive millions of health care and do nothing to lower insurance premiums.

“I cannot support a piece of legislation that takes insurance away from tens of millions of Americans,” he said at a news conference in Las Vegas, standing next to Nevada’s Republican governor, Brian Sandoval, who accepted federal funding under the Affordable Care Act to expand Medicaid.

Yes. We need this vote to fail. Big time.

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Reply #7 posted 06/24/17 4:00pm

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purplepoppy said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Good for Heller. clapping

https://www.nytimes.com/2...5&_r=0

WASHINGTON — Senator Dean Heller of Nevada, perhaps the most vulnerable Republican facing re-election in 2018, said Friday that he would not support the Senate health care overhaul as written, dealing a serious blow to his party’s attempt to repeal the Affordable Care Act just days before a showdown vote.

Using remarkably harsh language, Mr. Heller, who is seen as a pivotal swing vote, denounced the Senate-drafted bill in terms that Democrats swiftly seized on. He said the measure would deprive millions of health care and do nothing to lower insurance premiums.

“I cannot support a piece of legislation that takes insurance away from tens of millions of Americans,” he said at a news conference in Las Vegas, standing next to Nevada’s Republican governor, Brian Sandoval, who accepted federal funding under the Affordable Care Act to expand Medicaid.

Yes. We need this vote to fail. Big time.

So is the GOP political move going to be "we tried to repeal ACA but couldn't so now you are faced with outrageous premiums under Obamacare" - instead of adressing and fixing those issues in ACA?

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Reply #8 posted 06/24/17 4:36pm

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purplepoppy said:

Yes. We need this vote to fail. Big time.

So is the GOP political move going to be "we tried to repeal ACA but couldn't so now you are faced with outrageous premiums under Obamacare" - instead of adressing and fixing those issues in ACA?

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Yes I think so. The big insurance companies like Anthem have been pulling out on a regular basis lately, citing future market insecurity. What a mess. I wasn't in love with the ACA but it could have been a start except for their need to killeveryfuckingthingObamadid.

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Reply #9 posted 06/26/17 4:34am

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they have 4-wins under their belt....it'll pass..

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Reply #10 posted 06/26/17 11:59am

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I just had a fascinating conversation with my favorite Little Old Lady. She has worked for us for, gosh. Three decades? Shucks, maybe four or five decades. She's sweet as can be. She's also a giant conservative. Like, Ted Cruz is the end-all be-all for her. She gets all her TV news from Fox and on the radio from Michael Berry (a complete and total pussy and if you know him, please tell him I said that). But she's still a very sweet person. She is not nasty in the least bit.

She is also healthy, according to the results of a reccent physical examination. There was one particular test she needed that was expensive and normally would not be covered by her insurance. "But my doctor, he is VERY smart!" she said. "If you are getting this test because you might have high blood pressure, then Medicare pays for the test. So the doctor wrote orders for the test and said it was because I might have high blood pressure. 'Murica!"

(OK, she didn't say, "Murica!")

"But did you possibly have high blood pressure?" I asked.

"Oh no, of course not! 'Murica!"

I told her she was lucky she had her physical when she did because very soon it will not matter how smart her doctor is. Trumpcare is going to slash Medicare and you can bet they won't be paying for that test any longer.

She went white as a ghost. "What do you mean?"

I explained how Trumpcare slashed Medicare funding so that rich people could get $400 billion in tax cuts. She was not too happy about that. She wants to keep scamming the government and get free tests!

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Reply #11 posted 06/26/17 8:03pm

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this bill is in major trouble,thanks to the CBO report that came out today eek
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Reply #12 posted 06/27/17 2:58am

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SoulAlive said:

this bill is in major trouble,thanks to the CBO report that came out today eek


Trouble-Smouble...Whatever....The GOP has the House, the Senate and the White House...Yes, a handful of Republicans will pretend to hold-out and PRETEND they are looking out for the poor people they represent but in the end they will pass a Shit-filled Bill...

Don't buy into the Drama that comes with the Bill and that includes the CBO report...The GOP does not care about the CBO report, they just want to pass something...

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Reply #13 posted 06/27/17 1:39pm

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Vote Delayed!

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Reply #14 posted 06/27/17 8:01pm

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Vote Delayed!

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Reply #15 posted 06/29/17 6:17am

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Looks like the moderate republicans are trying to roll back the tax cuts for the rich in the bill. But then that is what the extreme conservatives like about it.

But overall, the bill slashes healthcare for the poor, dropping coverage for millions. Appovals ratings for this current bill is polling in the teens. The argument that the poor will now get a choice in the free market is such bullshit. Premiums are not ging down. If you make 20k and you are a single parent - are you are not going to go "shopping" for healthcare. If Medicaid goes, helathcare for the poor goes.


There definitely needs to be overhauls to the current ACA, but the changes proposed in this new bill are not going to help the people who really need it.

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Reply #16 posted 06/29/17 11:04am

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Mitch the bitch is now trying to sweeten the pot by adding more funds for opiods. He is admitting they didn't care a lick at first on that issue. Which also gives us some evidence that they truly want to hurt the poor since they are willing to hurt the poor whites they say they like.

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Reply #17 posted 06/29/17 10:37pm

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Still no vote - Recess!

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Reply #18 posted 06/30/17 1:17pm

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I don't know if it will or not. But I'm feeling like politics is mostly about undoing what the other guy did. Little to nothing to do with the well being of the people/nation. I sure would love to be proven wrong.


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Reply #19 posted 06/30/17 2:08pm

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I don't know if it will or not. But I'm feeling like politics is mostly about undoing what the other guy did. Little to nothing to do with the well being of the people/nation. I sure would love to be proven wrong.



sadly, I agree.

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Reply #20 posted 07/13/17 10:30pm

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Oh, god - what now?

http://www.cbsnews.com/ne...obamacare/

Paul and Collins are definite NOs.... one more seals the coffin on this effort.

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Reply #21 posted 07/14/17 6:00am

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Oh, god - what now?

http://www.cbsnews.com/ne...obamacare/

Paul and Collins are definite NOs.... one more seals the coffin on this effort.

Ted Cruz's part, allowing a la carte health plans is a gift to the insurance companies that will do nothing but use loopholes to deny coverage.

Our country is so callous. Hard to believe that everyone doesn't think American citizens have the right to affordable healthcare needed in all our lives. We waste money on so much garbage.

Even if it passes next week, it will probably be as unsupported as The ACA was. I blame the entire House & Senate for playing with our health care for decades now. Must be fun for the "parties" to square off and squabble on our dime, while they and their families enjoy excellent health care no matter how long it takes. Bastards.

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Reply #22 posted 07/15/17 4:05pm

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poppys said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Oh, god - what now?

http://www.cbsnews.com/ne...obamacare/

Paul and Collins are definite NOs.... one more seals the coffin on this effort.

Ted Cruz's part, allowing a la carte health plans is a gift to the insurance companies that will do nothing but use loopholes to deny coverage.

Our country is so callous. Hard to believe that everyone doesn't think American citizens have the right to affordable healthcare needed in all our lives. We waste money on so much garbage.

Even if it passes next week, it will probably be as unsupported as The ACA was. I blame the entire House & Senate for playing with our health care for decades now. Must be fun for the "parties" to square off and squabble on our dime, while they and their families enjoy excellent health care no matter how long it takes. Bastards.


If they cannot get their majority to pass this shitty plan, will they work with the democrats to IMPROVE ACA?

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Reply #23 posted 07/16/17 6:25am

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McConnell delays until McCain recovers from surgery and can vote. He's having a MEDICAL treatment, lol.

Major healthcare providers issued a joint statement. Cruz's idea to let states sell "bare bones" policies as long as they make the $$ up by selling enough expensive policies to cover the "difference" is disastrous. Make way for a drastic 2 tiered system with many more uninsured if this gets through.

http://www.cbsnews.com/ne...nworkable/

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Reply #24 posted 07/16/17 8:38am

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poppys said:

McConnell delays until McCain recovers from surgery and can vote. He's having a MEDICAL treatment, lol.

Major healthcare providers issued a joint statement. Cruz's idea to let states sell "bare bones" policies as long as they make the $$ up by selling enough expensive policies to cover the "difference" is disastrous. Make way for a drastic 2 tiered system with many more uninsured if this gets through.

http://www.cbsnews.com/ne...nworkable/

Well, this McCain surgery could be a break. Mpre time to examine the bill means word will spread about how bad it is and hopefully pressure will be placed on the senators whose constituency will lose thier coverage.

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Reply #25 posted 07/17/17 1:22pm

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it's interesting that,even with a GOP-controlled Congress,Trump can't seem to accomplish much of anything.He can't even seem to pass a decent health care bill to replace Obamacare.

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Here is the most amazing sentence I've read all year:

"The more it (the TrumpCare vote) is delayed, the more likely the bill is to fail, supporters and opponents say."

Wait - what?!?! The more time people have to examine TrumpCare, the more likely it is to fail - say its supporters?!? falloff

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Reply #27 posted 07/17/17 2:10pm

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Here is the most amazing sentence I've read all year:

"The more it (the TrumpCare vote) is delayed, the more likely the bill is to fail, supporters and opponents say."

Wait - what?!?! The more time people have to examine TrumpCare, the more likely it is to fail - say its supporters?!? falloff

http://www.houstonchronic...mpid=btfpm

That's why they were trynna write it and pass it in double secret probation shhh. They know it's an exploding cigar. Medicaid cuts alone will put disabled children who can now stay home (with subsidies) and be cared for by their parents into facilities that don't exist. Don't even get started with the elderly.


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Reply #28 posted 07/17/17 2:18pm

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Here is the most amazing sentence I've read all year:

"The more it (the TrumpCare vote) is delayed, the more likely the bill is to fail, supporters and opponents say."

Wait - what?!?! The more time people have to examine TrumpCare, the more likely it is to fail - say its supporters?!? falloff

http://www.houstonchronic...mpid=btfpm

it's a crappy bill and they all know it lol and with the midterm elections coming up next year,these GOP congress members are scared to death of passing this flawed bill

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Reply #29 posted 07/17/17 2:45pm

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RodeoSchro said:

Here is the most amazing sentence I've read all year:

"The more it (the TrumpCare vote) is delayed, the more likely the bill is to fail, supporters and opponents say."

Wait - what?!?! The more time people have to examine TrumpCare, the more likely it is to fail - say its supporters?!? falloff

http://www.houstonchronic...mpid=btfpm

it's a crappy bill and they all know it lol and with the midterm elections coming up next year,these GOP congress members are scared to death of passing this flawed bill

Wish more than 2 of em were scared. The bill gives extra $$ to certain states, including mine which I do not agree with. Single payer is really what Medicare and Medicaid are. The system should be expanded and drug/care prices should be universal, like other countries do. Why should healthcare for citizens be for profit in the first place?

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