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Pokeno4Money

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Tim Allen oppressed by liberal Hollywood


Remember a couple months ago when Tim Allen, a well-known conservative, talked about liberal Hollywood:

http://www.businessinsider.com/tim-allen-conservative-in-hollywood-2017-3


Allen has also previously spoken out against how he believes Hollywood treats conservatives. In an interview with Megyn Kelly on Fox News, Allen said, “What I find odd about Hollywood is they didn’t like Trump because he was a bully. But if you had any kind of inkling that you were for Trump, you got bullied.”



“You gotta be real careful around here, you know,” Allen said. “You’ll get beat up if you don’t believe what everybody believes. It’s like ’30s Germany.”


Well, Hollywood has done just that ... bullied Tim Allen by cancelling his show:

http://pagesix.com/2017/05/17/tim-allen-blasts-last-man-standing-cancellation/

“Stunned and blindsided by the network I called home for the last six years,” Allen tweeted Tuesday afternoon, the same day ABC officially announced its 2017-18 lineup with “Last Man Standing” absent.

Dungey wouldn’t specifically address a reporter’s question about whether politics played any role in the show’s axing.

“Last Man Standing” ranked No. 48 in viewership among broadcast shows this season, with an average of 5.89 million viewers, the Nielsen Co. said. That’s more viewers than some other ABC series that have been invited back, including “black-ish,” ”Shark Tank” and “The Goldbergs,” which just scored a two-year renewal for a fifth and sixth season.

“Your decision to cancel (“Last Man Standing”) was politically motivated! The explanation of cost is a LIE!” declared a typical tweet.


Will another network pick up Tim's cancelled series? Probably.

Is he right about liberal Hollywood's oppressive, bullying tactics? Apparently so!







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Reply #1 posted 05/17/17 10:36am

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This is a non-story - move along - nothing to see here and no due diligence done before posting:



And actually, Dungey did address it:
http://www.hollywoodrepor...ds-1004414

"There are many factors that go into the decision-making process: ratings, critical acclaim … of course we look at ownership structure," Dungey said of the rising importance of ownership at all of the Big Four broadcast networks. Ultimately, Dungey stressed that Allen's political affiliation — he has compared being a conservative in Hollwyood to "'30s Germany" — did not play a role in the decision to ax the comedy. "I wouldn't say that was the deciding factor," she said.

From a financial point of view, ABC did not own Last Man Standing and had been reducing licensing fees on many of its aging shows — including Sony's The Goldbergs, ABC Studios' Once Upon a Time and 20th TV's Modern Family — in a bid to reduce costs amid dwindling viewership and ad dollars.


It's also worth noting that of ABC's new 2017-18 slate, the network did renew 20th TV bubble comedy Fresh Off the Boat — which has greater critical appeal vs. Last Man — when the bulk of its schedule is produced in-house by ABC Studios. (ABC, unlike NBC and Fox, did buy new programming from outside studios this season.)


Additionally, that Last Man was wrapping its sixth season meant Allen would need to renegotiate his contract — adding an additional costs to the aging series as ABC also was set to shoulder a larger share of the overall price tag on the comedy.


Another factor, as Dungey noted, was ABC's move away from comedy on Fridays. Next season, ABC will open the night with former Sunday staple Once Upon a Time, followed by Marvel drama Inhumans (and subsequently Agents of SHIELD). Both Once and SHIELD have a 22-episode seasons and will be followed at 10 p.m. by Shark Tank. ABC will open the fall without a multicamera comedy for the first time in years after axing Last Man and Dr. Ken.

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Reply #2 posted 05/17/17 11:12am

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DiminutiveRocker said:

This is a non-story

Even a non-story is a story. Maybe somthing to the Hollywood being liberal? lol

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Reply #3 posted 05/17/17 11:45am

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DiminutiveRocker said:

This is a non-story - move along - nothing to see here and no due diligence done before posting:



And actually, Dungey did address it:
http://www.hollywoodrepor...ds-1004414

"There are many factors that go into the decision-making process: ratings, critical acclaim … of course we look at ownership structure," Dungey said of the rising importance of ownership at all of the Big Four broadcast networks. Ultimately, Dungey stressed that Allen's political affiliation — he has compared being a conservative in Hollwyood to "'30s Germany" — did not play a role in the decision to ax the comedy. "I wouldn't say that was the deciding factor," she said.

From a financial point of view, ABC did not own Last Man Standing and had been reducing licensing fees on many of its aging shows — including Sony's The Goldbergs, ABC Studios' Once Upon a Time and 20th TV's Modern Family — in a bid to reduce costs amid dwindling viewership and ad dollars.


It's also worth noting that of ABC's new 2017-18 slate, the network did renew 20th TV bubble comedy Fresh Off the Boat — which has greater critical appeal vs. Last Man — when the bulk of its schedule is produced in-house by ABC Studios. (ABC, unlike NBC and Fox, did buy new programming from outside studios this season.)


Additionally, that Last Man was wrapping its sixth season meant Allen would need to renegotiate his contract — adding an additional costs to the aging series as ABC also was set to shoulder a larger share of the overall price tag on the comedy.


Another factor, as Dungey noted, was ABC's move away from comedy on Fridays. Next season, ABC will open the night with former Sunday staple Once Upon a Time, followed by Marvel drama Inhumans (and subsequently Agents of SHIELD). Both Once and SHIELD have a 22-episode seasons and will be followed at 10 p.m. by Shark Tank. ABC will open the fall without a multicamera comedy for the first time in years after axing Last Man and Dr. Ken.

Just sour grapes- this show ran 6 seasons, his last show ran for 8 seasons. He starred in 3 HUGE "Toy Story" hits, plus the "Santa Clause" films...yet "liberal" Hollywood is denying him work ! Oh, brother !!

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Reply #4 posted 05/17/17 11:48am

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jjhunsecker said:

Just sour grapes- this show ran 6 seasons, his last show ran for 8 seasons. He starred in 3 HUGE "Toy Story" hits, plus the "Santa Clause" films...yet "liberal" Hollywood is denying him work ! Oh, brother !!

LOL! and Prince was treated the same post 1993! YUP YUP YUP SURE

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Reply #5 posted 05/17/17 12:13pm

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DiminutiveRocker said:

This is a non-story - move along - nothing to see here and no due diligence done before posting:



And actually, Dungey did address it:
http://www.hollywoodrepor...ds-1004414

"There are many factors that go into the decision-making process: ratings, critical acclaim … of course we look at ownership structure," Dungey said of the rising importance of ownership at all of the Big Four broadcast networks. Ultimately, Dungey stressed that Allen's political affiliation — he has compared being a conservative in Hollwyood to "'30s Germany" — did not play a role in the decision to ax the comedy. "I wouldn't say that was the deciding factor," she said.

From a financial point of view, ABC did not own Last Man Standing and had been reducing licensing fees on many of its aging shows — including Sony's The Goldbergs, ABC Studios' Once Upon a Time and 20th TV's Modern Family — in a bid to reduce costs amid dwindling viewership and ad dollars.


It's also worth noting that of ABC's new 2017-18 slate, the network did renew 20th TV bubble comedy Fresh Off the Boat — which has greater critical appeal vs. Last Man — when the bulk of its schedule is produced in-house by ABC Studios. (ABC, unlike NBC and Fox, did buy new programming from outside studios this season.)


Additionally, that Last Man was wrapping its sixth season meant Allen would need to renegotiate his contract — adding an additional costs to the aging series as ABC also was set to shoulder a larger share of the overall price tag on the comedy.


Another factor, as Dungey noted, was ABC's move away from comedy on Fridays. Next season, ABC will open the night with former Sunday staple Once Upon a Time, followed by Marvel drama Inhumans (and subsequently Agents of SHIELD). Both Once and SHIELD have a 22-episode seasons and will be followed at 10 p.m. by Shark Tank. ABC will open the fall without a multicamera comedy for the first time in years after axing Last Man and Dr. Ken.


Yeah, as if she's gone come out and tell his 5.89 MILLION viewers that his show was cancelled because he's a republican!

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How long you gone be livin' on that island???

And it's not a surprise that you immediately tried to squash this thread and bully others to stay away from it. That's what you liberals do, and that's why the Democratic party is crap right now. wink

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Reply #6 posted 05/17/17 12:45pm

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:roll:

Do a little research before you post.

It took me all of 2 minutes to find out why it was cancelled.

"Also, the contract between 20th Century Fox Television and ABC for the show, in which 20th Century Fox Television covered the cost of production, had expired after six seasons. Had the series been renewed for a seventh season, ABC would have been required to pick up Last Man Standing's production costs, which the network was unwilling to do."

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SuperFurryAnimal said:



jjhunsecker said:



Just sour grapes- this show ran 6 seasons, his last show ran for 8 seasons. He starred in 3 HUGE "Toy Story" hits, plus the "Santa Clause" films...yet "liberal" Hollywood is denying him work ! Oh, brother !!




LOL! and Prince was treated the same post 1993! YUP YUP YUP SURE


Huh ??? I don't see the connection.
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Reply #8 posted 05/17/17 12:52pm

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jjhunsecker said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

LOL! and Prince was treated the same post 1993! YUP YUP YUP SURE

Huh ??? I don't see the connection.

Entertainers can have a career going but the minute they fight the system and get political it's over johnny.

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Reply #9 posted 05/17/17 1:16pm

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I'm sick and tired of conservative actors who whine and complain about how "liberal" Hollywood is.Boo hoo,cry me a river.Start your own damn conservative movie studio and create your own movies and TV shows! Screw Tim Allen!
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Reply #10 posted 05/17/17 1:22pm

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jjhunsecker said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

This is a non-story - move along - nothing to see here and no due diligence done before posting:



And actually, Dungey did address it:
http://www.hollywoodrepor...ds-1004414

"There are many factors that go into the decision-making process: ratings, critical acclaim … of course we look at ownership structure," Dungey said of the rising importance of ownership at all of the Big Four broadcast networks. Ultimately, Dungey stressed that Allen's political affiliation — he has compared being a conservative in Hollwyood to "'30s Germany" — did not play a role in the decision to ax the comedy. "I wouldn't say that was the deciding factor," she said.

From a financial point of view, ABC did not own Last Man Standing and had been reducing licensing fees on many of its aging shows — including Sony's The Goldbergs, ABC Studios' Once Upon a Time and 20th TV's Modern Family — in a bid to reduce costs amid dwindling viewership and ad dollars.


It's also worth noting that of ABC's new 2017-18 slate, the network did renew 20th TV bubble comedy Fresh Off the Boat — which has greater critical appeal vs. Last Man — when the bulk of its schedule is produced in-house by ABC Studios. (ABC, unlike NBC and Fox, did buy new programming from outside studios this season.)


Additionally, that Last Man was wrapping its sixth season meant Allen would need to renegotiate his contract — adding an additional costs to the aging series as ABC also was set to shoulder a larger share of the overall price tag on the comedy.


Another factor, as Dungey noted, was ABC's move away from comedy on Fridays. Next season, ABC will open the night with former Sunday staple Once Upon a Time, followed by Marvel drama Inhumans (and subsequently Agents of SHIELD). Both Once and SHIELD have a 22-episode seasons and will be followed at 10 p.m. by Shark Tank. ABC will open the fall without a multicamera comedy for the first time in years after axing Last Man and Dr. Ken.

Just sour grapes- this show ran 6 seasons, his last show ran for 8 seasons. He starred in 3 HUGE "Toy Story" hits, plus the "Santa Clause" films...yet "liberal" Hollywood is denying him work ! Oh, brother !!

Tim Allen is an ingrate.

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

jjhunsecker said:

SuperFurryAnimal said: Huh ??? I don't see the connection.

Entertainers can have a career going but the minute they fight the system and get political it's over johnny.


Tim Allen was fighting the system? spit

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Reply #12 posted 05/17/17 1:23pm

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He reminds me of this guy:


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rolleyes Do a little research before you post. It took me all of 2 minutes to find out why it was cancelled. "Also, the contract between 20th Century Fox Television and ABC for the show, in which 20th Century Fox Television covered the cost of production, had expired after six seasons. Had the series been renewed for a seventh season, ABC would have been required to pick up Last Man Standing's production costs, which the network was unwilling to do."


nod It's buisness and ABC did not think it was worth dishing out more money. Six seasons is a good run. Allen is a wealthy ingrate.

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Reply #14 posted 05/17/17 1:30pm

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Pokeno4Money said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

This is a non-story - move along - nothing to see here and no due diligence done before posting:



And actually, Dungey did address it:
http://www.hollywoodrepor...ds-1004414

"There are many factors that go into the decision-making process: ratings, critical acclaim … of course we look at ownership structure," Dungey said of the rising importance of ownership at all of the Big Four broadcast networks. Ultimately, Dungey stressed that Allen's political affiliation — he has compared being a conservative in Hollwyood to "'30s Germany" — did not play a role in the decision to ax the comedy. "I wouldn't say that was the deciding factor," she said.

From a financial point of view, ABC did not own Last Man Standing and had been reducing licensing fees on many of its aging shows — including Sony's The Goldbergs, ABC Studios' Once Upon a Time and 20th TV's Modern Family — in a bid to reduce costs amid dwindling viewership and ad dollars.


It's also worth noting that of ABC's new 2017-18 slate, the network did renew 20th TV bubble comedy Fresh Off the Boat — which has greater critical appeal vs. Last Man — when the bulk of its schedule is produced in-house by ABC Studios. (ABC, unlike NBC and Fox, did buy new programming from outside studios this season.)


Additionally, that Last Man was wrapping its sixth season meant Allen would need to renegotiate his contract — adding an additional costs to the aging series as ABC also was set to shoulder a larger share of the overall price tag on the comedy.


Another factor, as Dungey noted, was ABC's move away from comedy on Fridays. Next season, ABC will open the night with former Sunday staple Once Upon a Time, followed by Marvel drama Inhumans (and subsequently Agents of SHIELD). Both Once and SHIELD have a 22-episode seasons and will be followed at 10 p.m. by Shark Tank. ABC will open the fall without a multicamera comedy for the first time in years after axing Last Man and Dr. Ken.


Yeah, as if she's gone come out and tell his 5.89 MILLION viewers that his show was cancelled because he's a republican!

Image result for de plane de plane gif

How long you gone be livin' on that island???

And it's not a surprise that you immediately tried to squash this thread and bully others to stay away from it. That's what you liberals do, and that's why the Democratic party is crap right now. wink


Shows get cancelled al the time. Grow up. It's business. Dungey explained WHY it was cancelled and there is absolutely no proof that what she said isn't true.

Like I said, no due diligence done before posting.

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SoulAlive said:

I'm sick and tired of conservative actors who whine and complain about how "liberal" Hollywood is.Boo hoo,cry me a river.Start your own damn conservative movie studio and create your own movies and TV shows! Screw Tim Allen!

I don't know what is harder? Coming out liberal or gay in Hollywood?

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rolleyes Do a little research before you post. It took me all of 2 minutes to find out why it was cancelled. "Also, the contract between 20th Century Fox Television and ABC for the show, in which 20th Century Fox Television covered the cost of production, had expired after six seasons. Had the series been renewed for a seventh season, ABC would have been required to pick up Last Man Standing's production costs, which the network was unwilling to do."


Congratulations, you read the exact same spin that I read before I started this thread.

Again, the reason the network was unwilling to pick up the production costs is because they didn't want to bring back Tim Allen. This decision was personal. They didn't even bother to notify Tim in advance of the public announcement.

His show was the 2nd-most watched comedy on the network, and 3rd-most watched scripted show on the network, and it ran for 6 years. If they wanted to end it on amicable terms, they would have gone into last season as a "this will be the final season" promo similar to what CBS did with "How I Met Your Mother".

Surely even you can at least acknowledge the circumstances surrounding it are highly suspicious. You just don't go around cancelling still-successful longtime shows like that, especially without even giving the audience a series finale.

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Pokeno4Money said:

cborgman said:

rolleyes Do a little research before you post. It took me all of 2 minutes to find out why it was cancelled. "Also, the contract between 20th Century Fox Television and ABC for the show, in which 20th Century Fox Television covered the cost of production, had expired after six seasons. Had the series been renewed for a seventh season, ABC would have been required to pick up Last Man Standing's production costs, which the network was unwilling to do."


Congratulations, you read the exact same spin that I read before I started this thread.

Again, the reason the network was unwilling to pick up the production costs is because they didn't want to bring back Tim Allen. This decision was personal. They didn't even bother to notify Tim in advance of the public announcement.

His show was the 2nd-most watched comedy on the network, and 3rd-most watched scripted show on the network, and it ran for 6 years. If they wanted to end it on amicable terms, they would have gone into last season as a "this will be the final season" promo similar to what CBS did with "How I Met Your Mother".

Surely even you can at least acknowledge the circumstances surrounding it are highly suspicious. You just don't go around cancelling still-successful longtime shows like that, especially without even giving the audience a series finale.

it ranks #50-something in the ratings. thats not that good. it wasnt even the highest rated in its time slot, consistantly losing to both CBS and NBC. it only beat FOX, which was showing a kids cooking show.

it also bears pointing out they gave the time slot to marvel's newest show. marvel is killing right now, and will probably do much better in the ratings, which means more money for ABC. additionally, ABC doesnt pay for production costs of marvels newest show.

now you tell me why it makes more sense to shell out over a million per episode in production costs on a show that ranks #50-something, places third each week amongst the big 3 and generates ho-hum ad revnue over a show that costs them not much in licensing and is likely to do much better in the ratings and makes them more money in ad revenue.

obviously you choose the one that costs almost nothing and makes you a lot more money over the one you have to pay a lot for and doesnt give much in returns financially.

it's simple business math.

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DiminutiveRocker said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Entertainers can have a career going but the minute they fight the system and get political it's over johnny.


Tim Allen was fighting the system? spit

Seems like he was just fighting for himself ...

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cborgman said:

Pokeno4Money said:


Congratulations, you read the exact same spin that I read before I started this thread.

Again, the reason the network was unwilling to pick up the production costs is because they didn't want to bring back Tim Allen. This decision was personal. They didn't even bother to notify Tim in advance of the public announcement.

His show was the 2nd-most watched comedy on the network, and 3rd-most watched scripted show on the network, and it ran for 6 years. If they wanted to end it on amicable terms, they would have gone into last season as a "this will be the final season" promo similar to what CBS did with "How I Met Your Mother".

Surely even you can at least acknowledge the circumstances surrounding it are highly suspicious. You just don't go around cancelling still-successful longtime shows like that, especially without even giving the audience a series finale.

it ranks #50-something in the ratings. thats not that good. it wasnt even the highest rated in its time slot, consistantly losing to both CBS and NBC. it only beat FOX, which was showing a kids cooking show.

it also bears pointing out they gave the time slot to marvel's newest show. marvel is killing right now, and will probably do much better in the ratings, which means more money for ABC. additionally, ABC doesnt pay for production costs of marvels newest show.

now you tell me why it makes more sense to shell out over a million per episode in production costs on a show that ranks #50-something, places third each week amongst the big 3 and generates ho-hum ad revnue over a show that costs them not much in licensing and is likely to do much better in the ratings and makes them more money in ad revenue.

obviously you choose the one that costs almost nothing and makes you a lot more money over the one you have to pay a lot for and doesnt give much in returns financially.

it's simple business math.

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And 6 seasons is a lot these days- tons of shows never make it past 6 episodes before they're yanked. So where is this so-called "liberal bias" ? It took them 6 years to realize he's a "conservative" ???

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I don't even know if any of this is true, or if he was taken out of context but let's imagine...

"they treat me as if like i support fascism. How 30's Germanyyyy" He said while being chauffeured back to his fancy dressing room.

Comparing yourself as a victim, (a person's who's become rich in the industry, to the real folks who perished at the hands of fascism) and complaining about it, while enjoying all that it has given you, is never a good idea no matter what type of work you do. lol lol

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cborgman said:

Pokeno4Money said:


Congratulations, you read the exact same spin that I read before I started this thread.

Again, the reason the network was unwilling to pick up the production costs is because they didn't want to bring back Tim Allen. This decision was personal. They didn't even bother to notify Tim in advance of the public announcement.

His show was the 2nd-most watched comedy on the network, and 3rd-most watched scripted show on the network, and it ran for 6 years. If they wanted to end it on amicable terms, they would have gone into last season as a "this will be the final season" promo similar to what CBS did with "How I Met Your Mother".

Surely even you can at least acknowledge the circumstances surrounding it are highly suspicious. You just don't go around cancelling still-successful longtime shows like that, especially without even giving the audience a series finale.

it ranks #50-something in the ratings. thats not that good. it wasnt even the highest rated in its time slot, consistantly losing to both CBS and NBC. it only beat FOX, which was showing a kids cooking show.

it also bears pointing out they gave the time slot to marvel's newest show. marvel is killing right now, and will probably do much better in the ratings, which means more money for ABC. additionally, ABC doesnt pay for production costs of marvels newest show.

now you tell me why it makes more sense to shell out over a million per episode in production costs on a show that ranks #50-something, places third each week amongst the big 3 and generates ho-hum ad revnue over a show that costs them not much in licensing and is likely to do much better in the ratings and makes them more money in ad revenue.

obviously you choose the one that costs almost nothing and makes you a lot more money over the one you have to pay a lot for and doesnt give much in returns financially.

it's simple business math.

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[Edited 5/17/17 14:46pm]


Plus Marvel is a Disney owned studio - they will make more money and this is show business after all.


Tim Allen can go back to his mansion and cry me a river. cry

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Ugot2shakesumthin said:

I don't even know if any of this is true, or if he was taken out of context but let's imagine...

"they treat me as if like i support fascism. How 30's Germanyyyy" He said while being chauffeured back to his fancy dressing room.

Comparing yourself as a victim, (a person's who's become rich in the industry, to the real folks who perished at the hands of fascism) and complaining about it, while enjoying all that it has given you, is never a good idea no matter what type of work you do. lol lol


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it ranks #50-something in the ratings. thats not that good. it wasnt even the highest rated in its time slot, consistantly losing to both CBS and NBC. it only beat FOX, which was showing a kids cooking show.

it also bears pointing out they gave the time slot to marvel's newest show. marvel is killing right now, and will probably do much better in the ratings, which means more money for ABC. additionally, ABC doesnt pay for production costs of marvels newest show.

now you tell me why it makes more sense to shell out over a million per episode in production costs on a show that ranks #50-something, places third each week amongst the big 3 and generates ho-hum ad revnue over a show that costs them not much in licensing and is likely to do much better in the ratings and makes them more money in ad revenue.

obviously you choose the one that costs almost nothing and makes you a lot more money over the one you have to pay a lot for and doesnt give much in returns financially.

it's simple business math.


You're embarrassing yourself by proving you didn't read the OP.

It had better ratings than “black-ish,” ”Shark Tank” and “The Goldbergs,” ... all of which ABC renewed.

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Reply #24 posted 05/17/17 4:16pm

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Tim Allen is a washed-up has been.Until I saw this thread,I didn't even know that he had a TV show lol
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Tim Allen is a washed-up has been.


Sounds like ageism to me.

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Pokeno4Money said:



SoulAlive said:


Tim Allen is a washed-up has been.


Sounds like ageism to me.



I dunno, man. Lot of washed-up has-been child celebrities out there.
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Reply #27 posted 05/17/17 5:37pm

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Pokeno4Money said:


Sounds like ageism to me.

I dunno, man. Lot of washed-up has-been child celebrities out there.


You know he's not a child celebrity ... right? He was like 37 when Home Improvement made him famous.

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Reply #28 posted 05/17/17 5:39pm

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cborgman said:

it ranks #50-something in the ratings. thats not that good. it wasnt even the highest rated in its time slot, consistantly losing to both CBS and NBC. it only beat FOX, which was showing a kids cooking show.

it also bears pointing out they gave the time slot to marvel's newest show. marvel is killing right now, and will probably do much better in the ratings, which means more money for ABC. additionally, ABC doesnt pay for production costs of marvels newest show.

now you tell me why it makes more sense to shell out over a million per episode in production costs on a show that ranks #50-something, places third each week amongst the big 3 and generates ho-hum ad revnue over a show that costs them not much in licensing and is likely to do much better in the ratings and makes them more money in ad revenue.

obviously you choose the one that costs almost nothing and makes you a lot more money over the one you have to pay a lot for and doesnt give much in returns financially.

it's simple business math.


You're embarrassing yourself by proving you didn't read the OP.

It had better ratings than “black-ish,” ”Shark Tank” and “The Goldbergs,” ... all of which ABC renewed.

youre embarrasing yourself by continuously ignoring the biggest factor:
ABC doesnt pay production costs on shark tank or goldbergs.


they pay a small licensing fee to run those two shows on ABC. and they recently cut the licensing fee on goldbergs as part of the renewal, meaning they are paying less now for that show than they were when it started.

verus a show they would have to pay over a million per episode in production costs.

its really very simple math if you understand how the business of TV works and how the money is made.


black-ish is a bit different as ABC owns the show. being as shows hit syndication (which is where you really make money on shows) at season 5, it is smart for ABC to renew it. the show will make them quite a bit in syndication money soon. they probably will push it through season 5 and then cancel it after syndication kicks in, unless it starts to do better in the ratings. but as long as they make it through season 5, that show is about to make ABC some nice money.

shark tank probably costs ABC under 50,000 per episode in licensing fees, and places first in it's time slot as of april. those type of shows are very cheap to make, and licenses at very cheap rates.

goldbergs took a reduction in licensing fees as part of the renewal, meaning theyre probably under 100,000 per episode and it places second in it's time slot.

now compare that with last man standing, which would cost ABC probably over 1 million per episode (allens salary alone being 235,000 per episode and thats before the contract renogiation) and places third in its time slot. they dont own the show, so will make no money off the syndication deal that it already has, but they would have to pay production costs. that is financially not good at all for ABC.

again: it's obvious when you have marvel's the inhumans on the table and last man standing on the table which you choose. marvel is likely to place 1st in the time slot, and costs ABC a lot less than last man standing.

simple simple math.

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Reply #29 posted 05/17/17 5:45pm

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Pokeno4Money said:



Horsefeathers said:


Pokeno4Money said:



Sounds like ageism to me.



I dunno, man. Lot of washed-up has-been child celebrities out there.


You know he's not a child celebrity ... right? He was like 37 when Home Improvement made him famous.



Home What?

No, it was in reference to the comment about ageism, meaning that washed-up has-beens aren't necessarily old and therefore it isn't inherently ageist.

But then I was also goofing. Tough crowd.
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