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Reply #30 posted 05/15/17 1:09pm

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with Trump as president,racism is gonna get worse and worse.He's too divisive and is not the type of person who can bring people together.He's openly racist himself.

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Reply #31 posted 05/15/17 2:28pm

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This is a minor issue guys.

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Reply #32 posted 05/16/17 11:07am

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SoulAlive said:

with Trump as president,racism is gonna get worse and worse.He's too divisive and is not the type of person who can bring people together.He's openly racist himself.

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Reply #33 posted 05/16/17 11:31am

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2freaky4church1 said:

This is a minor issue guys.


Yeah hundreds of years of fighting for equality, and now that we've got it we want more privileges and rights than everyone else. Just another example of hypocrites, bitching and moaning about others getting "special exclusive treatment" and now pushing to be the recipient of "special exclusive treatment".

But what do you care? You never wanted equality.

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Reply #34 posted 05/16/17 12:59pm

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Pokeno4Money said:

2freaky4church1 said:

This is a minor issue guys.


Yeah hundreds of years of fighting for equality, and now that we've got it we want more privileges and rights than everyone else. Just another example of hypocrites, bitching and moaning about others getting "special exclusive treatment" and now pushing to be the recipient of "special exclusive treatment".

But what do you care? You never wanted equality.


Wait . . .

Are you saying that those who argued and fought for more privileges and rights were asking for more
privileges and rights than everyone else? And are you saying that those who argued and fought for
more privileges and rights than everyone else have already been given enough of such and therefore
ought to be satisfied with the portion of equality and justice given to them so far?


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Reply #35 posted 05/16/17 1:15pm

maplenpg

Dasein said:

Pokeno4Money said:


Yeah hundreds of years of fighting for equality, and now that we've got it we want more privileges and rights than everyone else. Just another example of hypocrites, bitching and moaning about others getting "special exclusive treatment" and now pushing to be the recipient of "special exclusive treatment".

But what do you care? You never wanted equality.


Wait . . .

Are you saying that those who argued and fought for more privileges and rights were asking for more
privileges and rights than everyone else? And are you saying that those who argued and fought for
more privileges and rights than everyone else have already been given enough of such and therefore
ought to be satisfied with the portion of equality and justice given to them so far?


This is a quote from Pokey back in November "there's absolutely a greater percentage of African Americans who are racist than the percentage of whites who are racist. This despite the fact that African Americans are now on equal footing, if not dominant, in every facet of society."

I think its pretty clear what his agenda is.

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Reply #36 posted 05/16/17 1:20pm

Dasein

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Dasein said:


Wait . . .

Are you saying that those who argued and fought for more privileges and rights were asking for more
privileges and rights than everyone else? And are you saying that those who argued and fought for
more privileges and rights than everyone else have already been given enough of such and therefore
ought to be satisfied with the portion of equality and justice given to them so far?


This is a quote from Pokey back in November "there's absolutely a greater percentage of African Americans who are racist than the percentage of whites who are racist. This despite the fact that African Americans are now on equal footing, if not dominant, in every facet of society."

I think its pretty clear what his agenda is.


You're probably right.

But, I still want him to say it.

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Reply #37 posted 05/16/17 1:20pm

uPtoWnNY

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Dasein said:


Wait . . .

Are you saying that those who argued and fought for more privileges and rights were asking for more
privileges and rights than everyone else? And are you saying that those who argued and fought for
more privileges and rights than everyone else have already been given enough of such and therefore
ought to be satisfied with the portion of equality and justice given to them so far?


This is a quote from Pokey back in November "there's absolutely a greater percentage of African Americans who are racist than the percentage of whites who are racist. This despite the fact that African Americans are now on equal footing, if not dominant, in every facet of society."

I think its pretty clear what his agenda is.

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Reply #38 posted 05/16/17 7:43pm

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maplenpg said:

Dasein said:


Wait . . .

Are you saying that those who argued and fought for more privileges and rights were asking for more
privileges and rights than everyone else? And are you saying that those who argued and fought for
more privileges and rights than everyone else have already been given enough of such and therefore
ought to be satisfied with the portion of equality and justice given to them so far?


This is a quote from Pokey back in November "there's absolutely a greater percentage of African Americans who are racist than the percentage of whites who are racist. This despite the fact that African Americans are now on equal footing, if not dominant, in every facet of society."

I think its pretty clear what his agenda is.

It's clear that anyone who would make such a statement is either deliberately lying, perhaps to be "provocative", or is suffering from some sort of neurological damage

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Reply #39 posted 05/16/17 7:54pm

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maplenpg said:

Dasein said:


Wait . . .

Are you saying that those who argued and fought for more privileges and rights were asking for more
privileges and rights than everyone else? And are you saying that those who argued and fought for
more privileges and rights than everyone else have already been given enough of such and therefore
ought to be satisfied with the portion of equality and justice given to them so far?


This is a quote from Pokey back in November "there's absolutely a greater percentage of African Americans who are racist than the percentage of whites who are racist. This despite the fact that African Americans are now on equal footing, if not dominant, in every facet of society."

I think its pretty clear what his agenda is.

It's clear that anyone who would make such a statement is either deliberately lying, perhaps to be "provocative", or is suffering from some sort of neurological damage

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Reply #40 posted 05/16/17 8:39pm

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jjhunsecker said:

maplenpg said:

This is a quote from Pokey back in November "there's absolutely a greater percentage of African Americans who are racist than the percentage of whites who are racist. This despite the fact that African Americans are now on equal footing, if not dominant, in every facet of society."

I think its pretty clear what his agenda is.

It's clear that anyone who would make such a statement is either deliberately lying, perhaps to be "provocative", or is suffering from some sort of neurological damage

Or just a pathetic, basement dwelling troll. Take your pick.

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Reply #41 posted 05/16/17 9:42pm

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maplenpg said:

Dasein said:


Wait . . .

Are you saying that those who argued and fought for more privileges and rights were asking for more
privileges and rights than everyone else? And are you saying that those who argued and fought for
more privileges and rights than everyone else have already been given enough of such and therefore
ought to be satisfied with the portion of equality and justice given to them so far?


This is a quote from Pokey back in November "there's absolutely a greater percentage of African Americans who are racist than the percentage of whites who are racist. This despite the fact that African Americans are now on equal footing, if not dominant, in every facet of society."

I think its pretty clear what his agenda is.

I'd like to say I am shocked, but I'm not. SMH

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Reply #42 posted 05/18/17 4:06pm

214

They have the right to do so, what's the problem. White students better don't do that, they are not entitled to do the same.

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Reply #43 posted 05/20/17 6:56am

midnightmover

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maplenpg said:

This is a quote from Pokey back in November "there's absolutely a greater percentage of African Americans who are racist than the percentage of whites who are racist. This despite the fact that African Americans are now on equal footing, if not dominant, in every facet of society."

I think its pretty clear what his agenda is.

It's clear that anyone who would make such a statement is either deliberately lying, perhaps to be "provocative", or is suffering from some sort of neurological damage

Sometimes people can lie, cheat and deceive without even knowing they're doing it. Psychologists call it compartmentalization. One part of their brain does the deceiving and the other part doesn't notice it, even though it's happening in the same brain. Almost all climate change deniers fall into that category and pokerman is one of those too. It's a mental affliction they suffer from.

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Reply #44 posted 05/20/17 7:00am

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214 said:

They have the right to do so, what's the problem. White students better don't do that, they are not entitled to do the same.


Some white students are allowed, as those who are LGBT also have their own private ceremonies.

It's quite the joke, all these different ceremonies discriminating against those that are different than them. To them, "United We Stand" is meaningless.

"As a team, we have chosen to stand and interlock arms in unity. We honor those who have fought for the freedom we cherish. And we stand to ensure the riches and freedom and the security of justice for all people." --- Doug Baldwin
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Reply #45 posted 05/20/17 11:29am

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midnightmover said:



jjhunsecker said:




maplenpg said:



This is a quote from Pokey back in November "there's absolutely a greater percentage of African Americans who are racist than the percentage of whites who are racist. This despite the fact that African Americans are now on equal footing, if not dominant, in every facet of society."

I think its pretty clear what his agenda is.




It's clear that anyone who would make such a statement is either deliberately lying, perhaps to be "provocative", or is suffering from some sort of neurological damage



Sometimes people can lie, cheat and deceive without even knowing they're doing it. Psychologists call it compartmentalization. One part of their brain does the deceiving and the other part doesn't notice it, even though it's happening in the same brain. Almost all climate change deniers fall into that category and pokerman is one of those too. It's a mental affliction they suffer from.



I also believe that there are those who highlight (and deliberately misinterpret) incidents and events like this to push a false narrative: the Blacks are as " racist " as Whites, if not more so, and therefore deserve no sympathy or even understanding when they face bigotry and discrimination. It's an attempt to dismiss and minimize the lingering effects of White supremacy and systemic racism against non-Whites.
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Reply #46 posted 05/20/17 11:51am

maplenpg

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214 said:

They have the right to do so, what's the problem. White students better don't do that, they are not entitled to do the same.


Some white students are allowed, as those who are LGBT also have their own private ceremonies.

It's quite the joke, all these different ceremonies discriminating against those that are different than them. To them, "United We Stand" is meaningless.

What is the joke? They are groups of people who have common traits organising their own secondary ceremony (none of which take focus from the main ceremony) which have speakers who share the common traits that they do. It is not about excluding white people, or straight people, or those without disabilities, or whoever - it is about celebrating with people who understand them and their journey in life thus far. Would you have a problem with a group of cancer survivors organising a private ceremony?

You state that 'United We Stand is meaningless" - I disagree. All of these groups stand united at the main ceremony but they stand united within their particular group also. Why shouldn't that be?

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Reply #47 posted 05/20/17 12:01pm

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maplenpg said:



Pokeno4Money said:




214 said:


They have the right to do so, what's the problem. White students better don't do that, they are not entitled to do the same.




Some white students are allowed, as those who are LGBT also have their own private ceremonies.

It's quite the joke, all these different ceremonies discriminating against those that are different than them. To them, "United We Stand" is meaningless.



What is the joke? They are groups of people who have common traits organising their own secondary ceremony (none of which take focus from the main ceremony) which have speakers who share the common traits that they do. It is not about excluding white people, or straight people, or those without disabilities, or whoever - it is about celebrating with people who understand them and their journey in life thus far. Would you have a problem with a group of cancer survivors organising a private ceremony?

You state that 'United We Stand is meaningless" - I disagree. All of these groups stand united at the main ceremony but they stand united within their particular group also. Why shouldn't that be?



Excellent point. The students are not discriminating against anyone, they are simply celebrating their culture and heritage. Does having a St. Patrick's Day parade "discriminate" against those who aren't Irish ? Or celebrating Columbus Day automatically assume bias against non-Italians ? Is a publication like Tikkun or the Forward, which deal with Jewish issues and culture, essentially "anti-Christian" ? See how absurd such thinking can be ...
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Reply #48 posted 05/20/17 5:39pm

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maplenpg said:

What is the joke?


How many different, exclusive ceremonies will we be having in 5-10 years? How much coddling and special attention do we have to keep giving today's youth? And you know damn well this is going to catch on and spread to high schools, maybe even junior high etc. Nothing will bring down this country faster than division, and that's exactly what's happening. So we're headed to separate ceremonies for each nationality, for each religion, for each gender, and who knows what else.

THAT'S the joke.

For the longest time, it used to be people who were "different" didn't WANT to be treated different. All they wanted was to fit in and belong with everyone else, and be treated like everyone else. Now they've gone from wanting what everyone else has, to wanting MORE than what everyone else has. If you can't bring yourself to acknowledge how wrong that is, then there's nothing more to say to you.

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Reply #49 posted 05/20/17 10:57pm

maplenpg

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maplenpg said:




What is the joke?





How many different, exclusive ceremonies will we be having in 5-10 years? How much coddling and special attention do we have to keep giving today's youth? And you know damn well this is going to catch on and spread to high schools, maybe even junior high etc. Nothing will bring down this country faster than division, and that's exactly what's happening. So we're headed to separate ceremonies for each nationality, for each religion, for each gender, and who knows what else.

THAT'S the joke.

For the longest time, it used to be people who were "different" didn't WANT to be treated different. All they wanted was to fit in and belong with everyone else, and be treated like everyone else. Now they've gone from wanting what everyone else has, to wanting MORE than what everyone else has. If you can't bring yourself to acknowledge how wrong that is, then there's nothing more to say to you.


The haters gonna hate. I work with the youth of today and they are fantastic. They are more tolerant and inclusive than previous generations and I'm proud to think of what they might achieve in the decades to come. You're right - we have nothing more to say.
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Reply #50 posted 05/20/17 11:06pm

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How much coddling and special attention do we have to keep giving today's youth?



That's kind of a circular argument, though. If not for all the extra attention, maybe people would not feel so compelled to turn to those to whom they most relate during significant life events. Fitting into society and sharing significant life events with people to whom you most relate are not mutually exclusive.

Still, one has to wonder again why exactly it bothers some so much.
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Reply #51 posted 05/21/17 5:44am

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Horsefeathers said:

Fitting into society and sharing significant life events with people to whom you most relate are not mutually exclusive.


Correct, it's not. Those graduates most relate to their friends and family, would you agree? So why aren't they satisfied with having them either next to them on the floor, or in the crowd supporting them? Why would their enjoyment be enhanced by banning those of a different color from being on the floor next to them? Can't you see it's just as wrong as the "Whites Only" signs that were prevalent back in the 40's & 50's?

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Reply #52 posted 05/21/17 6:01am

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And there it is.
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Reply #53 posted 05/21/17 6:08am

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maplenpg said:

I work with the youth of today and they are fantastic. They are more tolerant and inclusive than previous generations and I'm proud to think of what they might achieve in the decades to come. You're right - we have nothing more to say.


The youth you work with have nothing to do with the few who pushed for these special ceremonies. It's good to hear your young people are more tolerant and inclusive.

As I suspected, you can't even acknowledge that demanding preferential treatment is wrong. Quite the reflection on you.

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Reply #54 posted 05/21/17 6:55am

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I haven't read the rest of the remarks, but I don't know what the outrage is for? I have always seen segregation as a forced separation between the races.

I have no problem with these black students wanting to celebrate their accomplishment in their own way. Statistically, black people graduate at a much lower rate than white people. They face a whole slew of issues that white people do not face when attending college and graduating from college, not the least of which is the institutional racism in most prestigous colleges (especially). As a white person, I cannot understand their experience from their perspective, but I do acknowledge that it exists and have seen it effect friends and aquaintances. Since I cannot understand their experience, I can understand why they would want a commencement exercise that really focuses upon their accomplishment at graduating from a highly prestigious college and what they had to overcome to be there at that ceremony. They deserve to share that experience with others that do understand what they've overcome.

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Reply #55 posted 05/21/17 7:32am

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Pokeno4Money said:

maplenpg said:

I work with the youth of today and they are fantastic. They are more tolerant and inclusive than previous generations and I'm proud to think of what they might achieve in the decades to come. You're right - we have nothing more to say.


The youth you work with have nothing to do with the few who pushed for these special ceremonies. It's good to hear your young people are more tolerant and inclusive.

As I suspected, you can't even acknowledge that demanding preferential treatment is wrong. Quite the reflection on you.

Oh I'm sorry - I didn't realise that when you said youth you didn't mean any old youths. The youths you meant were the Harvard graduate youths, clearly some of the most unintelligent youths in the world.

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Reply #56 posted 05/21/17 7:36am

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Horsefeathers said:

How much coddling and special attention do we have to keep giving today's youth?



That's kind of a circular argument, though. If not for all the extra attention, maybe people would not feel so compelled to turn to those to whom they most relate during significant life events. Fitting into society and sharing significant life events with people to whom you most relate are not mutually exclusive.

Still, one has to wonder again why exactly it bothers some so much.
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It bothers SOME because they have an agenda- they want to "prove" that Blacks are as racist as Whites, perhaps even more so, in some attempt to minimize the effects of White supremacy on society as a whole. So we get the absurd equivency of people displaying ethnic and cultural pride with Jim Crow.
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Reply #57 posted 05/21/17 7:41am

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a group of people has the right to have a private event and exclude anyone they choose. Where it gets problematic is when such events are sanctioned or allowed to be widely promoted on a public campus.

So a private graduation of just black or white students is okay. But the campus can not have an on-campus event that excludes people based on their membership in any protected group.

I have seen some reports of some public schools having black only safe spaces... that is illegal. (and I doubt they exist)

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

a group of people has the right to have a private event and exclude anyone they choose. Where it gets problematic is when such events are sanctioned or allowed to be widely promoted on a public campus.

So a private graduation of just black or white students is okay. But the campus can not have an on-campus event that excludes people based on their membership in any protected group.

I have seen some reports of some public schools having black only safe spaces... that is illegal. (and I doubt they exist)



And of course, there is no evidence that anyone is excluded or barred from this event, or any like it. The same way there was no indication that the Black student students were not participating in the general graduation. It sounds like the simply wanted an event to specifically celebrate their culture on campus. Essentially, this is a non-issue that is being blown up by those with an agenda.
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Reply #59 posted 05/21/17 7:59am

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Horsefeathers said:
That's kind of a circular argument, though. If not for all the extra attention, maybe people would not feel so compelled to turn to those to whom they most relate during significant life events. Fitting into society and sharing significant life events with people to whom you most relate are not mutually exclusive. Still, one has to wonder again why exactly it bothers some so much. [Edited 5/20/17 23:08pm]
It bothers SOME because they have an agenda- they want to "prove" that Blacks are as racist as Whites, perhaps even more so, in some attempt to minimize the effects of White supremacy on society as a whole. So we get the absurd equivency of people displaying ethnic and cultural pride with Jim Crow.

That attitude comes mostly from conservatives, always whining when blacks do the same thing whites do. You don't hear them scream division when the Irish, Italians & Jews celebrate their heritage. But let black & brown folks do it, and they trot out that bullshit "you people are segregating yourselves" argument. Fucking hypocrites.

Pro-black doesn't mean anti-white, but some refuse to understand that. I wonder why?

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