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The Return of Segregation - why race relations are getting worse


Absolutely astonishing example of segregation and anti-unity.

What's next?

Black-Only and Latino-Only buses, movie theaters, restaurants, public parks, etc?

disbelief

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/05/08/black-grad-students-harvard-hold-own-commencement-ceremony/6tGHbUjyz8vLvDNVZwzidL/story.html

Student organizers said the event, called Black Commencement 2017, is the first universitywide ceremony for black students at Harvard. More than 170 students and 530 guests have signed up to attend the ceremony, which will be held May 23 at Holmes Field, near the Harvard Law School campus. The event will feature speeches by black students, alumni, and administrators.


Similar ceremonies have been held for Harvard undergraduates as well as for students at Stanford, Columbia, Temple, and other campuses. On May 23, Harvard will also hold its third annual graduation ceremony for students of Latin American descent.

"As a team, we have chosen to stand and interlock arms in unity. We honor those who have fought for the freedom we cherish. And we stand to ensure the riches and freedom and the security of justice for all people." --- Doug Baldwin
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Reply #1 posted 05/11/17 11:39am

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The media and race baitors. The people making money off race relations.

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Reply #2 posted 05/11/17 12:25pm

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That is not good at all.

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Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
Did he put your million dollar check
In someone else's box?
Tell me, what's the matter with your world
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Reply #3 posted 05/11/17 12:52pm

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Pokeno4Money said:


Absolutely astonishing example of segregation and anti-unity.

What's next?

Black-Only and Latino-Only buses, movie theaters, restaurants, public parks, etc?

disbelief

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/05/08/black-grad-students-harvard-hold-own-commencement-ceremony/6tGHbUjyz8vLvDNVZwzidL/story.html

Student organizers said the event, called Black Commencement 2017, is the first universitywide ceremony for black students at Harvard. More than 170 students and 530 guests have signed up to attend the ceremony, which will be held May 23 at Holmes Field, near the Harvard Law School campus. The event will feature speeches by black students, alumni, and administrators.


Similar ceremonies have been held for Harvard undergraduates as well as for students at Stanford, Columbia, Temple, and other campuses. On May 23, Harvard will also hold its third annual graduation ceremony for students of Latin American descent.

Maybe Trump can show up at the ceremony and extend an olive branch.

You better Watch Out! I'm a WAR MACHINE!
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Reply #4 posted 05/11/17 1:50pm

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Pokeno4Money said:


Absolutely astonishing example of segregation and anti-unity.

What's next?

Black-Only and Latino-Only buses, movie theaters, restaurants, public parks, etc?

disbelief

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/05/08/black-grad-students-harvard-hold-own-commencement-ceremony/6tGHbUjyz8vLvDNVZwzidL/story.html

Student organizers said the event, called Black Commencement 2017, is the first universitywide ceremony for black students at Harvard. More than 170 students and 530 guests have signed up to attend the ceremony, which will be held May 23 at Holmes Field, near the Harvard Law School campus. The event will feature speeches by black students, alumni, and administrators.


Similar ceremonies have been held for Harvard undergraduates as well as for students at Stanford, Columbia, Temple, and other campuses. On May 23, Harvard will also hold its third annual graduation ceremony for students of Latin American descent.

Maybe Trump can show up at the ceremony and extend an olive branch.

Nah, he'll be in prison by then.

Matthew 5:38-39
“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
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Reply #5 posted 05/11/17 2:35pm

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Pokeno4Money said:


Absolutely astonishing example of segregation and anti-unity.

What's next?

Black-Only and Latino-Only buses, movie theaters, restaurants, public parks, etc?

disbelief

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/05/08/black-grad-students-harvard-hold-own-commencement-ceremony/6tGHbUjyz8vLvDNVZwzidL/story.html

Student organizers said the event, called Black Commencement 2017, is the first universitywide ceremony for black students at Harvard. More than 170 students and 530 guests have signed up to attend the ceremony, which will be held May 23 at Holmes Field, near the Harvard Law School campus. The event will feature speeches by black students, alumni, and administrators.


Similar ceremonies have been held for Harvard undergraduates as well as for students at Stanford, Columbia, Temple, and other campuses. On May 23, Harvard will also hold its third annual graduation ceremony for students of Latin American descent.


Does the article explain why Black American students at a historically white university which has
had its own share of racism would feel compelled to stage their own commencement?


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Reply #6 posted 05/11/17 3:49pm

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Dasein said:

Pokeno4Money said:


Absolutely astonishing example of segregation and anti-unity.

What's next?

Black-Only and Latino-Only buses, movie theaters, restaurants, public parks, etc?

disbelief

https://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2017/05/08/black-grad-students-harvard-hold-own-commencement-ceremony/6tGHbUjyz8vLvDNVZwzidL/story.html

Student organizers said the event, called Black Commencement 2017, is the first universitywide ceremony for black students at Harvard. More than 170 students and 530 guests have signed up to attend the ceremony, which will be held May 23 at Holmes Field, near the Harvard Law School campus. The event will feature speeches by black students, alumni, and administrators.


Similar ceremonies have been held for Harvard undergraduates as well as for students at Stanford, Columbia, Temple, and other campuses. On May 23, Harvard will also hold its third annual graduation ceremony for students of Latin American descent.


Does the article explain why Black American students at a historically white university which has
had its own share of racism would feel compelled to stage their own commencement?


I was wondering the same thing. I'm not saying the students are right or wrong. I just want to understand the full context of why they are doing this. Of course, there are many who choose not to see the full context in which such actions may occur, or have any understanding as to why someone may feel a certain way

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Send Betsy DeVos.
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Reply #8 posted 05/11/17 3:53pm

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Of course, there are many who choose not to see the full context in which such actions may occur, or have any understanding as to why someone may feel a certain way

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LOL @ the title of this thread, The Return of Segregation. When did it go away? Come to NYC and the surrounding areas - you'll see plenty of it in therms of housing & schools. But of course black folks are to blame.

[Edited 5/11/17 16:04pm]

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Reply #9 posted 05/11/17 6:30pm

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Dasein said:


Does the article explain why Black American students at a historically white university which has had its own share of racism would feel compelled to stage their own commencement?



Well first of all let me once again point out, it's not just Black American students. Latino students also have their own commencement ceremony. So as of right now, there's at least three separate commencement ceremonies going on this month at Harvard.

What's next? A separate commencement ceremony for Asians? And another for Jewish students? And another for Muslim students? Where the hell does it end? How much more divisive can an institution be?

https://www.yahoo.com/news/harvard-grads-hold-school-apos-175713682.html

That article says the "reason" for the separate ceremony is to "celebrate the obstacles they’ve overcome and the accomplishments they’ve made". Yeah, like it was so damn easy for everyone else who's graduating Harvard. All of them "priviliged white folk" were just handed Harvard degrees, they didn't have to deal with any adversity and their "accomplishments" are not worthy of a separate "celebration".

Dr. King must be rolling over in his grave right now. Hundreds of years of fighting to be treated the same, to be included instead of excluded, and now we're fighting to be treated differently and excluded from the rest? duh

"As a team, we have chosen to stand and interlock arms in unity. We honor those who have fought for the freedom we cherish. And we stand to ensure the riches and freedom and the security of justice for all people." --- Doug Baldwin
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Reply #10 posted 05/12/17 3:52am

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I get why NARAS created The Latin GRAMMYS, I never understood why Latino Nominees/Winners did not mind being excluded from the Mainstream GRAMMY Categories....I mean, years have passed, everybody is cool with it...

The Harvard Students situation has me scratching my head...The small portion of Black Students attending the Private Ceremony also plan to attend the University's Traditional Ceremony...Fine, no problem....I'm curious to know the theme of The Private Ceremony? What kind of Speech needs to be given to Black-Grads in Private that can't be shared with the rest of the Races on Campus? Do they plan to wear a special Cap & Gown or the Harvard's traditional gown & colors?

Here's the $64,000 question.....How does their Private Ceremony fit with the past/present Ideas made by their fellow Harvard-Law-Grad President Obama? Obama made History while learning on Campus and after he graduated...

I'm not knocking their decision to have a Private Ceremony for Black-Grads, I just need more details..We probably won't find out until the Ceremony is uploaded somewhere...

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Chancellor said:

The Harvard Students situation has me scratching my head...The small portion of Black Students attending the Private Ceremony also plan to attend the University's Traditional Ceremony...Fine, no problem....I'm curious to know the theme of The Private Ceremony? What kind of Speech needs to be given to Black-Grads in Private that can't be shared with the rest of the Races on Campus? Do they plan to wear a special Cap & Gown or the Harvard's traditional gown & colors?

Here's the $64,000 question.....How does their Private Ceremony fit with the past/present Ideas made by their fellow Harvard-Law-Grad President Obama? Obama made History while learning on Campus and after he graduated...


Well said.

Where did you see the black students plan to attend both ceremonies? I didn't know that, and I would be surprised that anyone would want to sit through two of them. Most students just want to get their diploma and get the hell outta there, and their friends/relatives are right behind them. lol And speaking of diplomas, it's not like they are going to receive a diploma at each ceremony.

So me too, I'd like more details on this. Every article I've seen has been kinda vague.

"As a team, we have chosen to stand and interlock arms in unity. We honor those who have fought for the freedom we cherish. And we stand to ensure the riches and freedom and the security of justice for all people." --- Doug Baldwin
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Reply #12 posted 05/12/17 9:11am

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Chancellor said:

I get why NARAS created The Latin GRAMMYS, I never understood why Latino Nominees/Winners did not mind being excluded from the Mainstream GRAMMY Categories....I mean, years have passed, everybody is cool with it...

The Harvard Students situation has me scratching my head...The small portion of Black Students attending the Private Ceremony also plan to attend the University's Traditional Ceremony...Fine, no problem....I'm curious to know the theme of The Private Ceremony? What kind of Speech needs to be given to Black-Grads in Private that can't be shared with the rest of the Races on Campus? Do they plan to wear a special Cap & Gown or the Harvard's traditional gown & colors?

Here's the $64,000 question.....How does their Private Ceremony fit with the past/present Ideas made by their fellow Harvard-Law-Grad President Obama? Obama made History while learning on Campus and after he graduated...

I'm not knocking their decision to have a Private Ceremony for Black-Grads, I just need more details..We probably won't find out until the Ceremony is uploaded somewhere...

One can say that having the Latino Grammys as a seperate ceremony gives them greater exposure and opportunities to perform than if the Latin awards were just part of the mainstream ceremony (which in recent years concentrate mainly on pop, hip hop, and country music)

So I agree, we need to know more about this private ceremony for Black graduates. I somehow doubt that they only receive their diplomas here, and not in the general ceremony. Most likely, they attend the main ceremony, and then have this private ceremony to celebrate their cultural achievements. Again, none of us know the full story based on the limited facts that were supplied here.

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uPtoWnNY said:

jjhunsecker said:

Of course, there are many who choose not to see the full context in which such actions may occur, or have any understanding as to why someone may feel a certain way

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LOL @ the title of this thread, The Return of Segregation. When did it go away? Come to NYC and the surrounding areas - you'll see plenty of it in therms of housing & schools. But of course black folks are to blame.

[Edited 5/11/17 16:04pm]

A very good point . Here's a recent story from the NY Times:

https://www.nytimes.com/2....html?_r=0

To some here, they can't wait to put Blacks at sole fault

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uPtoWnNY said:

LOL @ the title of this thread, The Return of Segregation. When did it go away? Come to NYC and the surrounding areas - you'll see plenty of it in therms of housing & schools. But of course black folks are to blame.


I think we should focus on how to resolve the problem, rather than point fingers at how we got here.

"As a team, we have chosen to stand and interlock arms in unity. We honor those who have fought for the freedom we cherish. And we stand to ensure the riches and freedom and the security of justice for all people." --- Doug Baldwin
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Reply #15 posted 05/12/17 10:42am

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Pokeno, you need to watch Dear White People.

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Reply #16 posted 05/12/17 3:05pm

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jjhunsecker said:



uPtoWnNY said:




jjhunsecker said:



Of course, there are many who choose not to see the full context in which such actions may occur, or have any understanding as to why someone may feel a certain way



nod



LOL @ the title of this thread, The Return of Segregation. When did it go away? Come to NYC and the surrounding areas - you'll see plenty of it in therms of housing & schools. But of course black folks are to blame.


[Edited 5/11/17 16:04pm]




A very good point . Here's a recent story from the NY Times:


https://www.nytimes.com/2....html?_r=0



To some here, they can't wait to put Blacks at sole fault



Lol, exactly! Same reason those types find any reason to blame Blacks for a racist system, in this country, in which Blacks had no hand in designing. Like Uptown said, segregation has never gone away. Apparently someone has been taking too many, long naps on the reality of race relations in America. Lol.


Maybe they need to go watch that movie 'American History X'to get a reality check.
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Reply #17 posted 05/12/17 3:12pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Pokeno, you need to watch Dear White People.


After you watch this movie:

"As a team, we have chosen to stand and interlock arms in unity. We honor those who have fought for the freedom we cherish. And we stand to ensure the riches and freedom and the security of justice for all people." --- Doug Baldwin
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2elijah said:

jjhunsecker said:

A very good point . Here's a recent story from the NY Times:

https://www.nytimes.com/2....html?_r=0

To some here, they can't wait to put Blacks at sole fault

Lol, exactly! Same reason those types find any reason to blame Blacks for a racist system, in this country, in which Blacks had no hand in designing. Like Uptown said, segregation has never gone away. Apparently someone has been taking too many, long naps on the reality of race relations in America. Lol. Maybe they need to go watch that movie 'American History X'to get a reality check. [Edited 5/12/17 15:35pm]

There are those who prefer to live in their fantasy world than to confront the realities of life in this wonderful country of ours

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2freaky4church1 said:

Pokeno, you need to watch Dear White People.


So did you watch Loving yet?

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Reply #20 posted 05/13/17 4:45pm

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Pokeno4Money said:

uPtoWnNY said:


I think we should focus on how to resolve the problem, rather than point fingers at how we got here.

Folks not wanting to integrate outside of the workplace is not a problem. For the most part, white folks don't want blacks in their neighborhoods or schools. They'll tolerate a few, but if they feel too many are coming in, they move away and put their kids in public or parochial school. I saw that plenty of times on Long Island. Doesn't bother me that folks prefer to be around their own. I'm not interested in banging my head against the wall trying to "integrate" or seek acceptance from mfers who think I'm less than they are. Like Malcolm said, you're not down with me, I'm not down with you. He was right all along, but black americans fell for the integration fantasy.

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Safe spaces? fuck that:

http://www.wbur.org/onpoi...graduation

Funny what whites are complaining while they avoid blacks in real life. lol

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2freaky4church1 said:

Safe spaces? fuck that:



http://www.wbur.org/onpoi...graduation



Funny what whites are complaining while they avoid blacks in real life. lol


That's what many Whites who are closet racists try to deny. Whites in the past, this country, were the ones who designed the system of racism, which also involved economic inequality, and wrote and passed racist laws. It's interesting how many of their descendants never take accountability/responsibility for the wrongs their ancestors caused on others. They tend to 'pass the blame' to others, and afraid to face their ugly, historical and present-day truths.
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Reply #23 posted 05/15/17 10:02am

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Funny what whites are complaining while they avoid blacks in real life. lol

Yet they whine about black folks "segregating themselves". I've gotten that crap mostly from conservatives but some liberals too.

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Why race relations are getting worse-- black people won't integrate right. Wtf. lol
Murica: at least it's not Sudan.
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Reply #25 posted 05/15/17 10:31am

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We all need to get along. That was the point of people dying. MLK is not pleased.

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Reply #26 posted 05/15/17 10:54am

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Why race relations are getting worse-- black people won't integrate right. Wtf. lol

....and it's mostly these brain-dead conservatives who spout this bullshit. Talk about being naive and divorced from reality.

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Reply #27 posted 05/15/17 11:26am

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I don't have a problem with it. All sorts of graduates have different ceremonies for various reasons. Whilst I acknowledge that graduating from Harvard isn't a walk in the park for anybody, it would be naive not to recognise that for many black families this will be the first generation in their family to graduate. After all, it was only in 1995 that law was passed abolishing admissions based on racial preference, thereby unifying students of all races. Therefore, whilst Pokey would like to believe that it segregates, I believe it celebrates the integration of blacks into places formally for the white priviledged few and the ability to achieve a qualification that seats them among the best in the world. What's not to celebrate?

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I don't have a problem with it. All sorts of graduates have different ceremonies for various reasons. Whilst I acknowledge that graduating from Harvard isn't a walk in the park for anybody, it would be naive not to recognise that for many black families this will be the first generation in their family to graduate. After all, it was only in 1995 that law was passed abolishing admissions based on racial preference, thereby unifying students of all races. Therefore, whilst Pokey would like to believe that it segregates, I believe it celebrates the integration of blacks into places formally for the white priviledged few and the ability to achieve a qualification that seats them among the best in the world. What's not to celebrate?

And has there been an indication that these Black graduates do not also attend the general ceremony as well ? I somehow doubt that they receive their diplomas at the "Black" ceremony

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Reply #29 posted 05/15/17 1:07pm

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maplenpg said:

I don't have a problem with it. All sorts of graduates have different ceremonies for various reasons. Whilst I acknowledge that graduating from Harvard isn't a walk in the park for anybody, it would be naive not to recognise that for many black families this will be the first generation in their family to graduate. After all, it was only in 1995 that law was passed abolishing admissions based on racial preference, thereby unifying students of all races. Therefore, whilst Pokey would like to believe that it segregates, I believe it celebrates the integration of blacks into places formally for the white priviledged few and the ability to achieve a qualification that seats them among the best in the world. What's not to celebrate?

And has there been an indication that these Black graduates do not also attend the general ceremony as well ? I somehow doubt that they receive their diplomas at the "Black" ceremony

I very much doubt they will recieve their diplomas at the ceremony and I would imagine they'll attend the general ceremony as well. As far as I can tell the speakers at the Black commencement are chosen to honor the achievements of Black graduates. It is similar to commencements for LBGTQ, disabled students, Latino and Jewish to name but a few. But let's not get carried away - Mark Zuckerburg is the main speaker at the main event. This ceremony will not replace it. Only 170 graduates are signed up for the Black ceremony - I imagine they will be interested in the keynote speakers and celebrating the historic nature of their success. Not in creating division and adversity.

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