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LoriJ

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HBO Documentary

HBO aired a one hour documentary on opiod addiction tonight entitled Warning: this drug may kill you.
It was very sad. The medical profession is so irresponsible and responsible for so many deaths. Each induvidual story was so touching. Your heart ached for the familes of the victims.

Yes I thought of Prince. I thought of the loss, but also how he did not die in vain. State and federal laws have changed. I'm sure his death was inspiration for a documentary such as this, which educates and brings to light the dangers of these drugs. It stated that 91 people die from this disease every day.
May they all rest in peace.
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Reply #1 posted 05/01/17 10:09pm

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Blame it on the drug companies, blame it on the illegal garage labs


https://www.drugabuse.gov...drug-abuse


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Reply #2 posted 05/02/17 8:33am

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Prince should have known better. I'm sorry. I don't do drugs and I'm fucked up. lol

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Reply #3 posted 05/02/17 9:55am

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Opiods were over prescribed and now underprescribed in a knee jerk reaction that sent people with legitimate pain looking elsewhere.

Coupled with the rise and fentanyl and carfentanyl at the same time and ridculously long waits for rehab. Perfect Storm. My hometown of less than 200,000 people has as many as 25 overdoses a day since July 2016.

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Reply #4 posted 05/02/17 10:09am

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Prince probably chose to hide his struggles with opioids because of the stigma attached to those
living with substance abuse issues (they're cowards, weak willed, etc.); this is especially the case
when Prince was publicly known for his clean-living and being a Jehovah's Witness. I guess he
didn't want to appear as being a hypocrite if we knew about his addictive behaviors.

There should also be a documentary on celebrities who also struggle with MVP-itis, which is probably
how Prince was able to questionably obtain these heavily regulated and powerful drugs.

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Reply #5 posted 05/02/17 1:43pm

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Big pharma is the worst thing to happen to the United States since capitalism itself.

This is just my theory but I've always believed that 80% of people in the United States who have been diagnosed with an illness actually ...wait for it... are not sick.

This because I believe in the power of advertising. Television, print, billboards, and radio are inundated and overwhelmed and oversaturated with big pharma ads. Got a yellow toenail? We got you. Got too many freckles? We got you. Does your butthole wince when you see photos of Joe Manganiello naked? We gotcha, girl.

I also believe there's a bit of psychology there. People hate feeling normal. They hate to be left out of the current trend or whatever is en vogue, even if it's having a medication in their cabinet. How many times have you asked a person "How are you?" And you get "Oh, my allergies!" or "Are you okay?" "I'm so tired". People feel the need to complain, either for attention or to be part of something. People often have the same negative feedback when they talk about their job, their boss, their neighbors. Nothing is ever good enough.

Back to the meds, I fully believe that so many people are on drugs not because they really have a condition. They've simply been made to believe they do. Big pharma has perfected created a constant and self-renewing customer base. (The same can be said for the medical community at large, prevention vs cure, but that's another thread.) The irony is that everyone on a drug for a pseudo-condition or some altered somatic state of mind becomes the norm - the part of the psychology of needing to be part of something outside the norm.

You'd think with a number of people wanting drugs overall would keep prices low for those who are in the mix that might actually need medication assistance, but alas - big pharma is greedy as fuck. They're the Buy N' Large of society, and they'll sell to anyone. The drug black market illegal because they're controlled substances. It's a black market because the drug companies want all the money. They're paying the gov't to let their drugs get certified and signed off on, and to keep whatever they're not getting paid for out of the hands of anyone else.

I've never had a medication in my life, besides some ear drops in high school, and a pain reliever in boot camp for my feet. That's it. I'm not the beacon of health, but I refuse Refuse REFUSE to let big pharma snag my ass for the second half of my life.

"Despite everything, no 1 can dictate who u r 2 other people." - Prince
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Reply #6 posted 05/02/17 2:49pm

Dasein

TrivialPursuit said:

Big pharma is the worst thing to happen to the United States since capitalism itself.

This is just my theory but I've always believed that 80% of people in the United States who have been diagnosed with an illness actually ...wait for it... are not sick.

This because I believe in the power of advertising. Television, print, billboards, and radio are inundated and overwhelmed and oversaturated with big pharma ads. Got a yellow toenail? We got you. Got too many freckles? We got you. Does your butthole wince when you see photos of Joe Manganiello naked? We gotcha, girl.

I also believe there's a bit of psychology there. People hate feeling normal. They hate to be left out of the current trend or whatever is en vogue, even if it's having a medication in their cabinet. How many times have you asked a person "How are you?" And you get "Oh, my allergies!" or "Are you okay?" "I'm so tired". People feel the need to complain, either for attention or to be part of something. People often have the same negative feedback when they talk about their job, their boss, their neighbors. Nothing is ever good enough.

Back to the meds, I fully believe that so many people are on drugs not because they really have a condition. They've simply been made to believe they do. Big pharma has perfected created a constant and self-renewing customer base. (The same can be said for the medical community at large, prevention vs cure, but that's another thread.) The irony is that everyone on a drug for a pseudo-condition or some altered somatic state of mind becomes the norm - the part of the psychology of needing to be part of something outside the norm.

You'd think with a number of people wanting drugs overall would keep prices low for those who are in the mix that might actually need medication assistance, but alas - big pharma is greedy as fuck. They're the Buy N' Large of society, and they'll sell to anyone. The drug black market illegal because they're controlled substances. It's a black market because the drug companies want all the money. They're paying the gov't to let their drugs get certified and signed off on, and to keep whatever they're not getting paid for out of the hands of anyone else.

I've never had a medication in my life, besides some ear drops in high school, and a pain reliever in boot camp for my feet. That's it. I'm not the beacon of health, but I refuse Refuse REFUSE to let big pharma snag my ass for the second half of my life.


I gotta respectfully disagree with you with the full disclosure that I'm a psychotherapist vocationally.

I do not think 80% of the people in the USA who have been diagnosed with an illness are not actually
ill. And I do not think that people "hate feeling normal." I agree that "Big Pharma" is a big fucking
problem and I disagree with psychiatric practices that offer medication to those clients/patients who
are living without a chronic major mental illness, such as schizophrenia, without even getting to know
the client/patient first as I've seen people respond well to moderate forms of depression and anxiety
via talk therapy and a regimented diet/exercise plan without the addition of psychopharmacological
aid.

But, quitting an opiate addiction is not always "mind over matter." Not everybody is constituted like
Miles Davis and can kick it cold turkey. For some, methadone and Suboxone and Subutex are what
is needed to kick that particular habit. And I think "Big Pharma" can only exist if we continue to
stigmatize people who are living with substance abuse issues.

There is one thing your post kinda alludes to and I agree with: our modern conception of life involves
"illnesses" and "conditions" that were not present at the beginning of our evolution throughout his-
tory but could be symptoms, so to speak, of modernity.

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Reply #7 posted 05/02/17 2:56pm

Superfan1984

I agree with Trivial Pursuit on this one. It has gotten ridiculous the things they want to give you drugs for. I also take nothing unless I absolutely have to and the only thing I take is a thyroid pill because I recently found out it's a little out of whack. But I have been prescribed all kinds of crap that I have never had filled because it was totally unnecessary. Valium, once because I happened to mention to my dr. that my job was stressing me out, I don't know how many times my dr. has tried to get me on anti-depressants, (no thank you, I'll feel my feelings) --- I know sometimes people have to take something- if there is a legitimate illness or if something huge happens that has rocked your world and you need the anti- depressants but otherwise, it's really gotten out of hand the way they try and get you hooked on something.

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Reply #8 posted 05/02/17 3:18pm

Dasein

Superfan1984 said:

I agree with Trivial Pursuit on this one. It has gotten ridiculous the things they want to give you drugs for. I also take nothing unless I absolutely have to and the only thing I take is a thyroid pill because I recently found out it's a little out of whack. But I have been prescribed all kinds of crap that I have never had filled because it was totally unnecessary. Valium, once because I happened to mention to my dr. that my job was stressing me out, I don't know how many times my dr. has tried to get me on anti-depressants, (no thank you, I'll feel my feelings) --- I know sometimes people have to take something- if there is a legitimate illness or if something huge happens that has rocked your world and you need the anti- depressants but otherwise, it's really gotten out of hand the way they try and get you hooked on something.


Don't get me wrong: I see psychiatrist prescribing psychopharmacological medications all the time
without even getting to know the client/patient. But I know from my own work experience that
some people living with schizophrenia, or bipolar disorder, or major depressive disorder all benefit
from psychiatric treatment. And again, from my own work experience, I've seen people living with
chronic substance abuse issues respond well to medication. And judging from portions of your post,
you agree with this.

But not all doctors are in Big Pharma's pockets and there is no way to substantiate the claim that 80%
of people who are medicated for whatever reason shouldn't be. But yes, Big Pharma is a big phucken
problem . . .

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TrivialPursuit

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Dasein said:

I gotta respectfully disagree with you with the full disclosure that I'm a psychotherapist vocationally.

But, quitting an opiate addiction is not always "mind over matter." Not everybody is constituted like Miles Davis and can kick it cold turkey. For some, methadone and Suboxone and Subutex are what is needed to kick that particular habit. And I think "Big Pharma" can only exist if we continue to stigmatize people who are living with substance abuse issues.


I purposely didn't address addiction. That's a whole other beast. The "being normal" thing aside, I do think a lot of people are not sick and I think big pharma does their job in convincing people they are sick at the slightest moment of feeling weird or off. I just think people are hypochondriacs and/or it's psycho-somatic more times than not. (I could use depression as an example, but let's just not open that can of worms.)

I've never had an addiction per se, so I can't address how or what someone goes through. It has to be overwhelming, though. I totally agree about the undue stigmatizing of those with substance abuse issues. There's too much shame attached to it, and not enough help.

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Reply #10 posted 05/03/17 4:22am

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My brother became addicted and took his own life by ODing on them.

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I think we all have family or friends that have struggled with opioids/gov suicide pills.

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Reply #12 posted 05/03/17 5:50am

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TrivialPursuit said:

Big pharma is the worst thing to happen to the United States since capitalism itself.

This is just my theory but I've always believed that 80% of people in the United States who have been diagnosed with an illness actually ...wait for it... are not sick.

This because I believe in the power of advertising. Television, print, billboards, and radio are inundated and overwhelmed and oversaturated with big pharma ads. Got a yellow toenail? We got you. Got too many freckles? We got you. Does your butthole wince when you see photos of Joe Manganiello naked? We gotcha, girl.

I also believe there's a bit of psychology there. People hate feeling normal. They hate to be left out of the current trend or whatever is en vogue, even if it's having a medication in their cabinet. How many times have you asked a person "How are you?" And you get "Oh, my allergies!" or "Are you okay?" "I'm so tired". People feel the need to complain, either for attention or to be part of something. People often have the same negative feedback when they talk about their job, their boss, their neighbors. Nothing is ever good enough.

Back to the meds, I fully believe that so many people are on drugs not because they really have a condition. They've simply been made to believe they do. Big pharma has perfected created a constant and self-renewing customer base. (The same can be said for the medical community at large, prevention vs cure, but that's another thread.) The irony is that everyone on a drug for a pseudo-condition or some altered somatic state of mind becomes the norm - the part of the psychology of needing to be part of something outside the norm.

You'd think with a number of people wanting drugs overall would keep prices low for those who are in the mix that might actually need medication assistance, but alas - big pharma is greedy as fuck. They're the Buy N' Large of society, and they'll sell to anyone. The drug black market illegal because they're controlled substances. It's a black market because the drug companies want all the money. They're paying the gov't to let their drugs get certified and signed off on, and to keep whatever they're not getting paid for out of the hands of anyone else.

I've never had a medication in my life, besides some ear drops in high school, and a pain reliever in boot camp for my feet. That's it. I'm not the beacon of health, but I refuse Refuse REFUSE to let big pharma snag my ass for the second half of my life.

Nail on the head.

"When you have people who don't know about science standing in denial of it and rising to power - that is a recipe for the complete dismantling of our informed democracy" - Neil de Grasse Tyson
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Reply #13 posted 05/03/17 7:06am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

My brother became addicted and took his own life by ODing on them.



I'm so sorry for your loss.
I love you baby, just not like I love this guitar.~Prince~
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Reply #14 posted 05/03/17 7:18am

Superfan1984

LoriJ said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

My brother became addicted and took his own life by ODing on them.

I'm so sorry for your loss.

Me too sad

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

My brother became addicted and took his own life by ODing on them.

That is very sad...sorry for your loss

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jjhunsecker said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

My brother became addicted and took his own life by ODing on them.

That is very sad...sorry for your loss

the sad part is he tried to and was found and treated and released and they did not or could not inform anyone. So he goes out and gets two perscriptions and pays cash for both and did it a 2nd time. He lived for months and was getting better. He was moved to a nursing home and passed a few hours later.

I Stand United with Manchester!
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OnlyNDaUsa said:

jjhunsecker said:

That is very sad...sorry for your loss

the sad part is he tried to and was found and treated and released and they did not or could not inform anyone. So he goes out and gets two perscriptions and pays cash for both and did it a 2nd time. He lived for months and was getting better. He was moved to a nursing home and passed a few hours later.

That is just horrible...a very sad way to end your existence. Again, you have my sympathy

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DiminutiveRocker said:

TrivialPursuit said:

Big pharma is the worst thing to happen to the United States since capitalism itself.

[self-snip]

Nail on the head.


I suppose I could have just said that and left the rest out. LOL

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

jjhunsecker said:

That is very sad...sorry for your loss

the sad part is he tried to and was found and treated and released and they did not or could not inform anyone. So he goes out and gets two perscriptions and pays cash for both and did it a 2nd time. He lived for months and was getting better. He was moved to a nursing home and passed a few hours later.

I lost one of best friends and a family member recently. They both hid problem and died of pride. I think of pride as a good thing but sometimes it is not and people do not get help needed.

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Only, with that happening it would be nice if it made you more classy.

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2freaky4church1 said:

Only, with that happening it would be nice if it made you more classy.

it would be nice if you would show a little class and not make this into a means to come at me personally.

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TrivialPursuit said:

DiminutiveRocker said:

Nail on the head.


I suppose I could have just said that and left the rest out. LOL

without big pharma, the majority of new medicines created over the last 50 years would not exist.

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Reply #23 posted 05/03/17 10:27am

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OnlyNDaUsa said:

jjhunsecker said:

That is very sad...sorry for your loss

the sad part is he tried to and was found and treated and released and they did not or could not inform anyone. So he goes out and gets two perscriptions and pays cash for both and did it a 2nd time. He lived for months and was getting better. He was moved to a nursing home and passed a few hours later.

Condolences, OnlyNDaUsa. hug

Dance, shake it like a peckerwood.
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We should quit locking up crack and marijuana users right Only?

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

the sad part is he tried to and was found and treated and released and they did not or could not inform anyone. So he goes out and gets two perscriptions and pays cash for both and did it a 2nd time. He lived for months and was getting better. He was moved to a nursing home and passed a few hours later.

I lost one of best friends and a family member recently. They both hid problem and died of pride. I think of pride as a good thing but sometimes it is not and people do not get help needed.

Yes, the stigma and shame leads too many into not getting help. I believe Prince is included in that.

There is much more awareness now. I see an ad every night for a hotline to call for help and referrals,' because you can't do it alone.'

I love you baby, just not like I love this guitar.~Prince~
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OnlyNDaUsa said:

TrivialPursuit said:


I suppose I could have just said that and left the rest out. LOL

without big pharma, the majority of new medicines created over the last 50 years would not exist.


Don't get me wrong. I'm not anti-science or anti-technology. The business of it is my problem. It's money over people.

"Despite everything, no 1 can dictate who u r 2 other people." - Prince
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Reply #27 posted 05/03/17 11:54am

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LoriJ said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

I lost one of best friends and a family member recently. They both hid problem and died of pride. I think of pride as a good thing but sometimes it is not and people do not get help needed.

Yes, the stigma and shame leads too many into not getting help. I believe Prince is included in that.

There is much more awareness now. I see an ad every night for a hotline to call for help and referrals,' because you can't do it alone.'

Sadly, so do I. Many people are just too tough for their own good. And there are so many reasons how they got that way. Complicated.

Dance, shake it like a peckerwood.
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TrivialPursuit said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

without big pharma, the majority of new medicines created over the last 50 years would not exist.


Don't get me wrong. I'm not anti-science or anti-technology. The business of it is my problem. It's money over people.

and take away the reward and then what?

I Stand United with Manchester!
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Reward and morality do not go together. He just made the case for street gangs. Robbing people is their reward.

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