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Reply #30 posted 04/04/17 7:48am

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Whether you think you can or cannot, you are correct.

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Reply #31 posted 04/04/17 8:01am

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No one mentioned she's legally changed her name to Nkechi Amare Diallo.

She later said she never claimed to be 'transracial'. It's a term usually associated with transracial adoption.

She also said she still intends to use the name Rachel Dolezal "as her public persona," but that she changed her name to have a better chance of landing work from employers who might not be interested in hiring the controversial Rachel Dolezal

As of F
ebruary 2017, she was on food stamps, estranged from most of her friends, and on the brink of homelessness after having no success in finding another job.


She's still white and she should own it.
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Reply #32 posted 04/04/17 8:03am

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Yeah, that's great and all, but she could easily wake up tomorrow morning and decide that being black is just too hard and decide not to be black anymore which seems kind of the opposite of a genuine black experience. I so don't buy the comparisons to transgender issues.

She has self-hatred issues. Like you said, one day she could wake up and decide to be White again. I'm not buying her bs.
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Reply #33 posted 04/04/17 8:27am

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Nobody can. lol

check your credit report, look over your budget, make a plan... it will take time but you can do it.

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Reply #34 posted 04/04/17 8:56am

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2elijah said:

Horsefeathers said:
Yeah, that's great and all, but she could easily wake up tomorrow morning and decide that being black is just too hard and decide not to be black anymore which seems kind of the opposite of a genuine black experience. I so don't buy the comparisons to transgender issues.
She has self-hatred issues. Like you said, one day she could wake up and decide to be White again. I'm not buying her bs.

For whatever reason, she felt more comfortable as a part of Black "culture" than she did with her own background. Keith Richards once said the same thing- that he feels more comfortable with Black people than with Whites- but he never CLAIMED to BE BLACK himself ! Who knows what's in Rachel's head- perhaps a therapist could find out for her

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Reply #35 posted 04/04/17 9:25am

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2elijah said:

Horsefeathers said:
Yeah, that's great and all, but she could easily wake up tomorrow morning and decide that being black is just too hard and decide not to be black anymore which seems kind of the opposite of a genuine black experience. I so don't buy the comparisons to transgender issues.
She has self-hatred issues. Like you said, one day she could wake up and decide to be White again. I'm not buying her bs.


And let's be clear - self-hatred doesn't mean she hates being white, necessarily. It means she doesn't like who she is overall. She has no sense of purpose or self. She's so desperate to find herself and her place in the world, that she's grasping at anything to feel part of something, even if it means appropriating another culture or genetics or however you wish to define it.

This is some 20-year-old shit, where (sometimes) younger people glom onto the latest soapbox moment to find something to fill their time. It's sad because she's older than that. She should have a sense of self to a significant degree at this point in her life. She could be adding something to the world, and bettering society. Instead, she's lost herself in things that have nothing to do with her directly - like the black experience. She can appreciate the black experience, and know it's real and bigotry exists. But her white privilege is glaring through with picking up some ethnicity for the sake of it, because she's not focusing on herself. She can sympathize or fight against bigotry, but shit - the save the whales people didn't have a blow hole put in their backside to do their work.

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Reply #36 posted 04/04/17 9:29am

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1. I really can fix 2freaky's poverty, but I don't think he wants to fix it. But I'm always here whenever he or anyone else wants to learn the secret to success!

2. Why are y'all trippin' on this lady so hard? Clearly she is working to improve things. I know she's not really black, but what harm is she causing? All I see about her is that she seems to care about all the right things.

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Reply #37 posted 04/04/17 10:14am

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1. I really can fix 2freaky's poverty, but I don't think he wants to fix it. But I'm always here whenever he or anyone else wants to learn the secret to success!

2. Why are y'all trippin' on this lady so hard? Clearly she is working to improve things. I know she's not really black, but what harm is she causing? All I see about her is that she seems to care about all the right things.


Uh, REALLY? She changed her name to an African name. She's still claiming to "identify as black". That's a problem, and not improving anything. She lied about her fucking race. That's why people are trippin'.

It's like asking what harm is there in white folks wearing a fake mustache, a poncho, and a sombrero on Cinqo De Mayo.

How about for all of us who support Black Lives Matter just paint our faces black in solidarity? Cuz you know - we are about all the right things.

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Reply #38 posted 04/04/17 10:26am

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Lmao! She could never improve things for Blacks because she does not and will never walk in our shoes, have our experiences,no matter how much face paint she puts on or what she changes her name to. If a Black person dyes their hair blond, do they now claim to be White? Absolutely not. She is doing nothing but portraying self-hatred.

If she wants to 'improve things' with racial issues in America, then she should work on educating her own people about the fallacy of white supremacy, and the evil it has caused on so many groups. Self-hatred is not a way to 'improve things'.
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Reply #39 posted 04/04/17 10:31am

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she's walking in your shoes.

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Reply #40 posted 04/04/17 10:39am

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TrivialPursuit said:



2elijah said:


Horsefeathers said:
Yeah, that's great and all, but she could easily wake up tomorrow morning and decide that being black is just too hard and decide not to be black anymore which seems kind of the opposite of a genuine black experience. I so don't buy the comparisons to transgender issues.

She has self-hatred issues. Like you said, one day she could wake up and decide to be White again. I'm not buying her bs.


And let's be clear - self-hatred doesn't mean she hates being white, necessarily. It means she doesn't like who she is overall. She has no sense of purpose or self. She's so desperate to find herself and her place in the world, that she's grasping at anything to feel part of something, even if it means appropriating another culture or genetics or however you wish to define it.

This is some 20-year-old shit, where (sometimes) younger people glom onto the latest soapbox moment to find something to fill their time. It's sad because she's older than that. She should have a sense of self to a significant degree at this point in her life. She could be adding something to the world, and bettering society. Instead, she's lost herself in things that have nothing to do with her directly - like the black experience. She can appreciate the black experience, and know it's real and bigotry exists. But her white privilege is glaring through with picking up some ethnicity for the sake of it, because she's not focusing on herself. She can sympathize or fight against bigotry, but shit - the save the whales people didn't have a blow hole put in their backside to do their work.



No it clearly speaks she does not like being white or she would not try to change her racial identity. If her self-hatred has to do with acknowledging white privilege, and seeing that as unfair privilege to non-Whites or if her anger is towards racial events of the past, that played its part in trying to dehumanize Blacks, then trying to dismiss her racial identity, does not change what happened in the past. It also does not help to improve race relations or make things better for actual Black Americans.

In fact, Rachel playing into her own self-hatred is the same type of hatred many held/and still hold towards Blacks. No matter what, at the end of the day, Rachel is White all day, and all night. Fact is, she will still benefit from white privilege.
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Reply #41 posted 04/04/17 10:41am

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TrivialPursuit said:

RodeoSchro said:

1. I really can fix 2freaky's poverty, but I don't think he wants to fix it. But I'm always here whenever he or anyone else wants to learn the secret to success!

2. Why are y'all trippin' on this lady so hard? Clearly she is working to improve things. I know she's not really black, but what harm is she causing? All I see about her is that she seems to care about all the right things.


Uh, REALLY? She changed her name to an African name. She's still claiming to "identify as black". That's a problem, and not improving anything. She lied about her fucking race. That's why people are trippin'.

It's like asking what harm is there in white folks wearing a fake mustache, a poncho, and a sombrero on Cinqo De Mayo.

How about for all of us who support Black Lives Matter just paint our faces black in solidarity? Cuz you know - we are about all the right things.



I couldn't care less what someone looks like, as long as their heart is in the right place and they are actively working to make things better for others.

Life is too short, and the problems are too big, to worry about petty stuff like that.

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Reply #42 posted 04/04/17 10:44am

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2elijah said:

Lmao! She could never improve things for Blacks because she does not and will never walk in our shoes, have our experiences,no matter how much face paint she puts on or what she changes her name to. If a Black person dyes their hair blond, do they now claim to be White? Absolutely not. She is doing nothing but portraying self-hatred.

If she wants to 'improve things' with racial issues in America, then she should work on educating her own people about the fallacy of white supremacy, and the evil it has caused on so many groups. Self-hatred is not a way to 'improve things'. [Edited 4/4/17 10:29am]



OK, 2elijah. Your position is that no one can ever improve things for Blacks unless they are Black, or have somehow walked in Black's shoes.

I guess all those non-Black people who have dedicated their lives to making things better for Blacks need to be told they have completely wasted their entire lives. Too bad for them, I guess.

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Reply #43 posted 04/04/17 10:58am

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That is a ridculous analogy, schro. And "life's too short" not to talk about it. There are little ones coming up every day. It's not an adult issue frozen in time.

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Reply #44 posted 04/04/17 11:15am

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Life is too short, and the problems are too big, to worry about petty stuff like that.


Tell your black friends that.

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Reply #45 posted 04/04/17 11:16am

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Lmao! She could never improve things for Blacks because she does not and will never walk in our shoes, have our experiences,no matter how much face paint she puts on or what she changes her name to. If a Black person dyes their hair blond, do they now claim to be White? Absolutely not. She is doing nothing but portraying self-hatred. If she wants to 'improve things' with racial issues in America, then she should work on educating her own people about the fallacy of white supremacy, and the evil it has caused on so many groups. Self-hatred is not a way to 'improve things'.


^^^What she said.

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Reply #46 posted 04/04/17 11:30am

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RodeoSchro said:

TrivialPursuit said:


Uh, REALLY? She changed her name to an African name. She's still claiming to "identify as black". That's a problem, and not improving anything. She lied about her fucking race. That's why people are trippin'.

It's like asking what harm is there in white folks wearing a fake mustache, a poncho, and a sombrero on Cinqo De Mayo.

How about for all of us who support Black Lives Matter just paint our faces black in solidarity? Cuz you know - we are about all the right things.



I couldn't care less what someone looks like, as long as their heart is in the right place and they are actively working to make things better for others.

Life is too short, and the problems are too big, to worry about petty stuff like that.

life in not short! it is the longest thing you will ever do!

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Reply #47 posted 04/04/17 11:58am

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Trans-Black is an acceptable term..So it is written, so it shall be done....


Man, the world's a strange place.

If she's ready for the fight, I wouldn't get in her way.

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Reply #48 posted 04/04/17 11:58am

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RodeoSchro said:



2elijah said:


Lmao! She could never improve things for Blacks because she does not and will never walk in our shoes, have our experiences,no matter how much face paint she puts on or what she changes her name to. If a Black person dyes their hair blond, do they now claim to be White? Absolutely not. She is doing nothing but portraying self-hatred.

If she wants to 'improve things' with racial issues in America, then she should work on educating her own people about the fallacy of white supremacy, and the evil it has caused on so many groups. Self-hatred is not a way to 'improve things'. [Edited 4/4/17 10:29am]



OK, 2elijah. Your position is that no one can ever improve things for Blacks unless they are Black, or have somehow walked in Black's shoes.

I guess all those non-Black people who have dedicated their lives to making things better for Blacks need to be told they have completely wasted their entire lives. Too bad for them, I guess.



There is never anything wrong with one concerning oneself, with the injustices of a community outside of their own, but those outside of said community, can never live the actual experience, of those outside their communities, no matter the good in their hearts and concern they hold for it. Many Whites outside my community, who have dedicated themselves to helping with the cause to fight racism, well who said they couldn't?

The system of racism in this country was not designed by Blacks. It was designed by Whites. I'm pretty sure those Whites who stood by Blacks, were those with a genuine interest who acknowledged that the system of racism in America during America's past, was designed by some members of the white community, which some and so apparently, it's obvious, they felt it was their responsibility, to stand with Blacks to raise awareness on the evils and destruction of such a system. At least history showed, that many of them acknowledged that. That's the difference between them and you. You are someone who is so in fear of any Black American here, who expresses hard and ugly truths, and facts about race/racial issues in America, that your ammo is to attack and insult, and make ignorant assumptions to any Black Americans here, who are not afraid to challenge your views on race, express any truths and facts about it or doesn't agree with your point of view on race topics. That attitude does not help improve race relations.

Like I have told you many times, if you want to do something constructive to change racist views, then make an effort to educate your community, the white community, of the poison that white supremacy beliefs and teachings, has done and can do to this society. Who knows? Maybe you could be the next Tim Wise or Jane Elliot of your community by doing that, instead of attacking and making false assumptions of me, and other Black American orgers, whose experience with race in America is something you cannot preach to us about, because it will never be yours nor Rachel's experience. You take care now. comfort
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Reply #49 posted 04/04/17 11:59am

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TrivialPursuit said:



2elijah said:



Lmao! She could never improve things for Blacks because she does not and will never walk in our shoes, have our experiences,no matter how much face paint she puts on or what she changes her name to. If a Black person dyes their hair blond, do they now claim to be White? Absolutely not. She is doing nothing but portraying self-hatred. If she wants to 'improve things' with racial issues in America, then she should work on educating her own people about the fallacy of white supremacy, and the evil it has caused on so many groups. Self-hatred is not a way to 'improve things'.




^^^What he said.



You mean what 'she' said. Thanks.
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Reply #50 posted 04/04/17 12:16pm

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TrivialPursuit said:

RodeoSchro said:

Life is too short, and the problems are too big, to worry about petty stuff like that.


Tell your black friends that.



OK, I will. I'll report back to you what they say.

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Reply #51 posted 04/04/17 12:19pm

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2elijah said:

RodeoSchro said:



OK, 2elijah. Your position is that no one can ever improve things for Blacks unless they are Black, or have somehow walked in Black's shoes.

I guess all those non-Black people who have dedicated their lives to making things better for Blacks need to be told they have completely wasted their entire lives. Too bad for them, I guess.

There is never anything wrong with one concerning oneself, with the injustices of a community outside of their own, but those outside of said community, can never live the actual experience, of those outside their communities, no matter the good in their hearts and concern they hold for it. Many Whites outside my community, who have dedicated themselves to helping with the cause to fight racism, well who said they couldn't?

You did.

The system of racism in this country was not designed by Blacks. It was designed by Whites. I'm pretty sure those Whites who stood by Blacks, were those with a genuine interest who acknowledged that the system of racism in America during America's past, was designed by some members of the white community, which some and so apparently, it's obvious, they felt it was their responsibility, to stand with Blacks to raise awareness on the evils and destruction of such a system. At least history showed, that many of them acknowledged that. That's the difference between them and you. You are someone who is so in fear of any Black American here, who expresses hard and ugly truths, and facts about race/racial issues in America, that your ammo is to attack and insult, and make ignorant assumptions to any Black Americans here, who are not afraid to challenge your views on race, express any truths and facts about it or doesn't agree with your point of view on race topics. That attitude does not help improve race relations.

I am only afraid of rats. If you are a rat, then yes - I am afraid of you.

Like I have told you many times, if you want to do something constructive to change racist views, then make an effort to educate your community, the white community, of the poison that white supremacy beliefs and teachings, has done and can do to this society. Who knows? Maybe you could be the next Tim Wise or Jane Elliot of your community by doing that, instead of attacking and making false assumptions of me, and other Black American orgers, whose experience with race in America is something you cannot preach to us about, because it will never be yours nor Rachel's experience. You take care now. comfort

I don't think reading comprehension is one of your strong suits. No offense.

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Reply #52 posted 04/04/17 12:32pm

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I think it's great if she wants to be an ally and try to make positive changes. I think she could do that without claiming something that is not hers to claim. She can like black people, feel more comfortable, find them more relatable, immerse herself in black culture and black causes, whatever. She will never be black. To be able to just feel black is a luxury because she can also at any time decide not to be black anymore. She is a fraud even if a well intended fraud. She isn't hurting ME, but I can certainly understand why people are pissed.
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Reply #53 posted 04/04/17 12:39pm

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Horsefeathers said:

I think it's great if she wants to be an ally and try to make positive changes. I think she could do that without claiming something that is not hers to claim. She can like black people, feel more comfortable, find them more relatable, immerse herself in black culture and black causes, whatever. She will never be black. To be able to just feel black is a luxury because she can also at any time decide not to be black anymore. She is a fraud even if a well intended fraud. She isn't hurting ME, but I can certainly understand why people are pissed.

I think I'm probably more amused by it than pissed. And I DO think she needs to work this out with a therapist

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Reply #54 posted 04/04/17 12:42pm

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I probably should have said annoyed and that eyes are rolling all over the place. And I think it's justified.
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Reply #55 posted 04/04/17 12:42pm

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jjhunsecker said:

Horsefeathers said:

I think it's great if she wants to be an ally and try to make positive changes. I think she could do that without claiming something that is not hers to claim. She can like black people, feel more comfortable, find them more relatable, immerse herself in black culture and black causes, whatever. She will never be black. To be able to just feel black is a luxury because she can also at any time decide not to be black anymore. She is a fraud even if a well intended fraud. She isn't hurting ME, but I can certainly understand why people are pissed.

I think I'm probably more amused by it than pissed. And I DO think she needs to work this out with a therapist

but it does bring up the question as to the other questions of other identities.

Anyone for banning the AR15 must be on the side of the criminal as once banned only criminals will have them.
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Reply #56 posted 04/04/17 12:43pm

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OnlyNDaUsa said:



jjhunsecker said:




Horsefeathers said:


I think it's great if she wants to be an ally and try to make positive changes. I think she could do that without claiming something that is not hers to claim. She can like black people, feel more comfortable, find them more relatable, immerse herself in black culture and black causes, whatever. She will never be black. To be able to just feel black is a luxury because she can also at any time decide not to be black anymore. She is a fraud even if a well intended fraud. She isn't hurting ME, but I can certainly understand why people are pissed.


I think I'm probably more amused by it than pissed. And I DO think she needs to work this out with a therapist




but it does bring up the question as to the other questions of other identities.



What?
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Reply #57 posted 04/04/17 12:46pm

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Horsefeathers said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

but it does bring up the question as to the other questions of other identities.

What?

at what point is a discordance with physical realites and physology become an issue for a therapist?

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Reply #58 posted 04/04/17 12:57pm

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Oh, you're talking to someone else. Ok.
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Reply #59 posted 04/04/17 1:12pm

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Horsefeathers said:

Oh, you're talking to someone else. Ok.

yes to jjhunsecker's statement that she needs to "work this out with a therapist"

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