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Why Islamophobia is racism.

Here's a picture of the Boston bombers, the Tsarnaev Brothers:

https://www.henrymakow.com/upload_images/47962_cover_full.jpg

Note how they look arab? They were white guys. They were from the Caucus mountains. The home of whitey. lol

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Reply #1 posted 03/04/17 9:11am

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A religion is not a race and muslims can be any colour ask my friend from Bosnia.

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The hatred towards Muslims from many in this country, is pretty much the same level of hatred towards those of another race. That hate seems to have heightened since that sick devil got into the White House this year.
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Reply #3 posted 03/04/17 10:27am

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We otherwise Muslims. Racism.

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2freaky4church1 said:

Here's a picture of the Boston bombers, the Tsarnaev Brothers:

https://www.henrymakow.co...r_full.jpg

Note how they look arab? They were white guys. They were from the Caucus mountains. The home of whitey. lol

And the Week is a sane publication.


Read Guitarhero's post to see why you're wrong RE "Islamophobia" being racist.

2elijah said:

The hatred towards Muslims from many in this country, is pretty much the same level of hatred towards those of another race. That hate seems to have heightened since that sick devil got into the White House this year.


You would probably be "phobic" of racists who would want to kill you and that's okay, but it's not ok for white people/westerners to be "phobic" of muslims who have a toxic ideology that includes wanting to murder them? lol

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The 'you can't be racist because Muslim is not a race' is a feeble excuse, used mainly but nor exclusively by people who are racist but don't want to admit it...
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I'd be just as wary of a white muslim I thought might want to kill me as a brown one, soo... lol A toxic ideology is a toxic ideology regardless of the race of the people practicing it. I don't see why that's such a hard concept to grasp, unless you're okay with going back to the dark ages in terms of social progress.

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The 'you can't be racist because Muslim is not a race' is a feeble excuse, used mainly but nor exclusively by people who are racist but don't want to admit it...

confused I hope that slur is not directed at me. I was just saying Islam is a religion not a race , Christianity is a religion and not a race, Hinduism is a religion and not a race. My friend from Bosnia is a white muslim. Point being that any one from any back ground can be any religion. confused

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guitarslinger44 said:



2freaky4church1 said:


Here's a picture of the Boston bombers, the Tsarnaev Brothers:



https://www.henrymakow.co...r_full.jpg



Note how they look arab? They were white guys. They were from the Caucus mountains. The home of whitey. lol



And the Week is a sane publication.




Read Guitarhero's post to see why you're wrong RE "Islamophobia" being racist.




2elijah said:


The hatred towards Muslims from many in this country, is pretty much the same level of hatred towards those of another race. That hate seems to have heightened since that sick devil got into the White House this year.


You would probably be "phobic" of racists who would want to kill you and that's okay, but it's not ok for white people/westerners to be "phobic" of muslims who have a toxic ideology that includes wanting to murder them? lol

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Read my post again:

Calm down comfort It's ok. I'm pretty sure there are many non-whites these days who are phobic of racist whites murdering them, based on their skin color, because of America's long, documented, barbaric history regarding that, but in regards to the topic..I was comparing the level of hatred/prejudice towards Muslims vs hatred towards one's racial identity. Two different types of hatred, yes, but the level of hate towards Muslims, in this country, is similar to the level of racial prejudice, that still exists in America.

The prejudice towards Muslims, has increased since that sick animal got elected into the White House, and the hate rhetoric he spewed about Muslims contributed to that prejudice as well. That's not difficult to comprehend. Good day.
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SomeSoldier said:


The 'you can't be racist because Muslim is not a race' is a feeble excuse, used mainly but nor exclusively by people who are racist but don't want to admit it...

confused I hope that slur is not directed at me. I was just saying Islam is a religion not a race , Christianity is a religion and not a race, Hinduism is a religion and not a race. My friend from Bosnia is a white muslim. Point being that any one from any back ground can be any religion. confused


I deliberately included the words not exclusively in order to not make my post to you. It was more about other people posting here that publicly admit to hating 1.5 billion people for their religion but don't consider themsleves racist. I did not mean to cause you any offence and I apologise if I have.
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2elijah said:

guitarslinger44 said:


You would probably be "phobic" of racists who would want to kill you and that's okay, but it's not ok for white people/westerners to be "phobic" of muslims who have a toxic ideology that includes wanting to murder them? lol

[Edited 3/4/17 10:33am]

Read my post again: Calm down comfort It's ok. I'm pretty sure there are many non-whites these days who are phobic of racist whites murdering them, based on their skin color, because of America's long, documented, barbaric history regarding that, but in regards to the topic..I was comparing the level of hatred/prejudice towards Muslims vs hatred towards one's racial identity. Two different types of hatred, yes, but the level of hate towards Muslims, in this country, is similar to the level of racial prejudice, that still exists in America. The prejudice towards Muslims, has increased since that sick animal got elected into the White House, and the hate rhetoric he spewed about Muslims contributed to that prejudice as well. That's not difficult to comprehend. Good day. [Edited 3/4/17 11:09am]


Does it make you feel good to always be so fucking smug? lol

The difference is that black folks (I'll assume that's what you're talking about) didn't do anything to incur the kind of treatment they got. There are radical muslims in a lot of places that don't make a secret of the fact that they disagree with major parts of western society, and are willing to kill people over it. So given that, your argument is moot. I'm not saying it's good to be prejudiced, but I understand it. So try again. Or don't.
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Guitarhero said:

A religion is not a race and muslims can be any colour ask my friend from Bosnia.


It's just ignorant people yet again trying to change the definition of words in order to fit their white-hating agenda, pay no mind to them. Even dumbasses have the abililty to Google the definition of the word "racism", so it's not like they need help understanding the English language. lol lol lol

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guitarslinger44 said:

Does it make you feel good to always be so fucking smug? lol

The difference is that black folks (I'll assume that's what you're talking about) didn't do anything to incur the kind of treatment they got. There are radical muslims in a lot of places that don't make a secret of the fact that they disagree with major parts of western society, and are willing to kill people over it. So given that, your argument is moot. I'm not saying it's good to be prejudiced, but I understand it. So try again. Or don't.[/b] lol

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Don't let the devil deceive you. It's not about them defending Muslims, it's about them hating white folks.

215 African Americans were killed on 9/11, and still these fools who cry "racism" towards radical Islamists have a problem with trying to prevent more radical Islamic attacks? Further proof that for some, hatred of white folks takes precedence even over the lives of their own black brothers and sisters. It's both sad and sick.

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guitarslinger44 said:



2elijah said:


guitarslinger44 said:



You would probably be "phobic" of racists who would want to kill you and that's okay, but it's not ok for white people/westerners to be "phobic" of muslims who have a toxic ideology that includes wanting to murder them? lol


[Edited 3/4/17 10:33am]



Read my post again: Calm down comfort It's ok. I'm pretty sure there are many non-whites these days who are phobic of racist whites murdering them, based on their skin color, because of America's long, documented, barbaric history regarding that, but in regards to the topic..I was comparing the level of hatred/prejudice towards Muslims vs hatred towards one's racial identity. Two different types of hatred, yes, but the level of hate towards Muslims, in this country, is similar to the level of racial prejudice, that still exists in America. The prejudice towards Muslims, has increased since that sick animal got elected into the White House, and the hate rhetoric he spewed about Muslims contributed to that prejudice as well. That's not difficult to comprehend. Good day. [Edited 3/4/17 11:09am]


Does it make you feel good to always be so fucking smug? lol

The difference is that black folks (I'll assume that's what you're talking about) didn't do anything to incur the kind of treatment they got. There are radical muslims in a lot of places that don't make a secret of the fact that they disagree with major parts of western society, and are willing to kill people over it. So given that, your argument is moot. I'm not saying it's good to be prejudiced, but I understand it. So try again. Or don't.
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Typing all in bold and shit, lol, I thought you had thick skin. It's ok, calm down. comfort Not a crime to have a difference of opinion.


Whether it is hatred against one's religion or racial identity, both are forms of hatred. That's the point.

Anyway, like I said, Anti-Muslim hatred, suspicion, paranoia has increased in this country, and there is also an increase in anti-Muslim groups as well, since trump's campaign and presidency. Of course I am not in support radical Islamists or extremists, who use their religion to cause physical harm to others, and those who are part of hate groups, like White supremacists, who have hatred to do the same.

My point is, that the level of prejudice against Muslims today in America is basically on the same level as racial hatred towards many non-Whites in America. Just a comparison of the two prejudices, which are part of the -isms of this society. So no need to lose your cool. Unfortunately, Trump's campaign rhetoric fueled more hatred and a negative, stereotyped view of all Muslims.

But you have to admit though, that it's interesting how Americans don't hear of any American citizen or foreigner, being questioned or detained by airport personnel, for being suspected of being a member of a White Supremacist hate group and as a possible domestic terrorist threat, given the history of terrorism, committed by such hate groups, and a hate group that still exists on American soil today. popcorn

If you would like me to provide you with documented facts of such American hate groups, who committed these domestic terrorist crimes, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have any trouble finding it yourself.

Let's be honest here, many Americans need to stop pretending this country doesn't have domestic terrorists, that have caused physical harm, terror to American citizens, whether that terror was based on race, religion or political beliefs, yet some idiots are very quick to point fingers, yell, scream bitch only about foreign terrorists, who do the same crimes that Americans have and do commit on Americans, but don't call out America on such wrongs.
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SomeSoldier said:

Guitarhero said:

confused I hope that slur is not directed at me. I was just saying Islam is a religion not a race , Christianity is a religion and not a race, Hinduism is a religion and not a race. My friend from Bosnia is a white muslim. Point being that any one from any back ground can be any religion. confused

I deliberately included the words not exclusively in order to not make my post to you. It was more about other people posting here that publicly admit to hating 1.5 billion people for their religion but don't consider themsleves racist. I did not mean to cause you any offence and I apologise if I have.

We're cool.

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2freaky4church1 said:

Here's a picture of the Boston bombers, the Tsarnaev Brothers:



https://www.henrymakow.co...r_full.jpg



Note how they look arab? They were white guys. They were from the Caucus mountains. The home of whitey. lol



And the Week is a sane publication.


2freak, You know why the illustrator painted them that tone. It's pretty clear. It's misleading.
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I don't like any form of racism and i don't like any form of hatred either be it against a law abiding muslim, none- white or white people man or woman. I just don't like the divide let's not call all muslims potential terrorists and let's not call all white people racist. Let's not call all cops bad and all men misogynist etc. Peace and love to all. heart

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I genuinely believe that most people are honest when they say that they don't mind law-abiding Muslims, yet won't tolerate radical Islamists. Yet here lies the problem, radical Islamists are not easily identifiable from Muslims and therefore everyone that fits a certain 'type' becomes a suspect until they are proven innocent. That 'type' is often based on skin tone. People seem to take the 'better safe than sorry' side of the fence rather than risk being wrong. The actual threat of terrorism is still very small so people are often being unecessarily cautious.

I believe xenophobia is prolific and getting worse, but that xenophoba breeds racism. My best friend is married to a man who originates from a Muslim country but does not practise religion. It is only within the last two years that people have started treating him differently, either completely ignoring him or openly and unashamedly questioning him about where he is from, what his religion is, what he thinks about ISIS etc... and he has been here for almost three decades now. They start by judging him from his skin tone which leads to the questions, some won't even talk to him at all - that is racism. I don't think that racism and xenophobia are that easily separable from one another.

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I am deeply concerned about the spread of Islam in the world. I think it is a superstition. The idea that the Koran is somehow more than the product of men, that it was ultimately authored by a supreme being, is superstition. I engage in conversation with Muslims about their faith because I think it can be shown to be a superstition. Islam is not a race but a set of ideas. Bad ideas can infect all races.

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toejam said:

I am deeply concerned about the spread of Islam in the world. I think it is a superstition. The idea that the Koran is somehow more than the product of men, that it was ultimately authored by a supreme being, is superstition. I engage in conversation with Muslims about their faith because I think it can be shown to be a superstition. Islam is not a race but a set of ideas. Bad ideas can infect all races.

Sounds no different from any other religion- The Bible, The Quaran, The Torah- all wonderful works of FICTION

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2elijah said:

guitarslinger44 said:


Does it make you feel good to always be so fucking smug? lol

The difference is that black folks (I'll assume that's what you're talking about) didn't do anything to incur the kind of treatment they got. There are radical muslims in a lot of places that don't make a secret of the fact that they disagree with major parts of western society, and are willing to kill people over it. So given that, your argument is moot. I'm not saying it's good to be prejudiced, but I understand it. So try again. Or don't.
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Typing all in bold and shit, lol, I thought you had thick skin. It's ok, calm down. comfort Not a crime to have a difference of opinion. Whether it is hatred against one's religion or racial identity, both are forms of hatred. That's the point. Anyway, like I said, Anti-Muslim hatred, suspicion, paranoia has increased in this country, and there is also an increase in anti-Muslim groups as well, since trump's campaign and presidency. Of course I am not in support radical Islamists or extremists, who use their religion to cause physical harm to others, and those who are part of hate groups, like White supremacists, who have hatred to do the same. My point is, that the level of prejudice against Muslims today in America is basically on the same level as racial hatred towards many non-Whites in America. Just a comparison of the two prejudices, which are part of the -isms of this society. So no need to lose your cool. Unfortunately, Trump's campaign rhetoric fueled more hatred and a negative, stereotyped view of all Muslims. But you have to admit though, that it's interesting how Americans don't hear of any American citizen or foreigner, being questioned or detained by airport personnel, for being suspected of being a member of a White Supremacist hate group and as a possible domestic terrorist threat, given the history of terrorism, committed by such hate groups, and a hate group that still exists on American soil today. popcorn If you would like me to provide you with documented facts of such American hate groups, who committed these domestic terrorist crimes, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have any trouble finding it yourself. Let's be honest here, many Americans need to stop pretending this country doesn't have domestic terrorists, that have caused physical harm, terror to American citizens, whether that terror was based on race, religion or political beliefs, yet some idiots are very quick to point fingers, yell, scream bitch only about foreign terrorists, who do the same crimes that Americans have and do commit on Americans, but don't call out America on such wrongs. [Edited 3/4/17 12:50pm]


I think it's laughable that you make all kinds of assumptions about me. lol if I told you why I actually type in bold, you'd probably laugh, but I guess I'll just let you keep wondering because it's funny. lol My skin's plenty thick though, so don't worry, you haven't triggered me, I'm just asking questions. wink

Anyway, down to business. Sure American citizens cause plenty of shit, but they're AMERICAN CITIZENS. Why would a natural born American citizen be detained at all unless they've committed a crime already? Why it is surprising that some folks are reticent to bring in groups of people from regions with ideologies that are openly antagonistic to our culture? I'd say anti muslim sentiment was at an all time high after 9/11, so while it may be moreso now than it was for awhile, it's not on that level. You talk about detaining white supremecists, but black men commit more murders than white supremecists, should we also detain every black man that comes across the border as well? Yours are false equivalencies.

It's also about motivation. Tim McVeigh was a lone wacko, and some of the muslims carrying out these acts are lone wackos as well, but their chosen (and that's the important part, CHOSEN) ideology merits them for carrying out these acts. So why again should we be bending over backwards to let them in again? I'm not saying all muslims are like that, I've known some peaceful ones, but the fact remains that islam has a PR problem and is in serious need of a reformation if it's ever going to be compatible with western civilization.

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guitarslinger44 said:


2elijah said:


guitarslinger44 said:

Typing all in bold and shit, lol, I thought you had thick skin.

It's ok, calm down. comfort Not a crime to have a difference of opinion.

Whether it is hatred against one's religion or racial identity, both are forms of hatred.

That's the point.

Anyway, like I said, Anti-Muslim hatred, suspicion, paranoia has increased in this country, and there is also an increase in anti-Muslim groups as well, since trump's campaign and presidency.

Of course I am not in support radical Islamists or extremists, who use their religion to cause physical harm to others, and those who are part of hate groups, like White supremacists, who have hatred to do the same.

My point is, that the level of prejudice against Muslims today in America is basically on the same level as racial hatred towards many non-Whites in America.

Just a comparison of the two prejudices, which are part of the -isms of this society.

So no need to lose your cool.

Unfortunately, Trump's campaign rhetoric fueled more hatred and a negative, stereotyped view of all Muslims.

But you have to admit though, that it's interesting how Americans don't hear of any American citizen or foreigner, being questioned or detained by airport personnel,

for being suspected of being a member of a White Supremacist hate group and as a possible domestic terrorist threat,

given the history of terrorism, committed by such hate groups, and a hate group that still exists on American soil today. popcorn

If you would like me to provide you with documented facts of such American hate groups, who committed these domestic terrorist crimes, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have any trouble finding it yourself.

Let's be honest here, many Americans need to stop pretending this country doesn't have domestic terrorists, that have caused physical harm, terror to American citizens,

whether that terror was based on race, religion or political beliefs, yet some idiots are very quick to point fingers, yell, scream bitch only about foreign terrorists,

who do the same crimes that Americans have and do commit on Americans, but don't call out America on such wrongs.





I think it's laughable that you make all kinds of assumptions about me.

lol if I told you why I actually type in bold, you'd probably laugh, but I guess I'll just let you keep wondering because it's funny. lol

My skin's plenty thick though, so don't worry, you haven't triggered me, I'm just asking questions. wink

Anyway, down to business.

Sure American citizens cause plenty of shit, but they're AMERICAN CITIZENS.

Why would a natural born American citizen be detained at all unless they've committed a crime already?

Why it is surprising that some folks are reticent to bring in groups of people from regions with ideologies that are openly antagonistic to our culture?

I'd say anti muslim sentiment was at an all time high after 9/11, so while it may be moreso now than it was for awhile, it's not on that level.

You talk about detaining white supremecists, but black men commit more murders than white supremecists,

should we also detain every black man that comes across the border as well?

Yours are false equivalencies.

It's also about motivation.

Tim McVeigh was a lone wacko, and some of the muslims carrying out these acts are lone wackos as well, but their chosen (and that's the important part, CHOSEN) ideology merits them for carrying out these acts.

So why again should we be bending over backwards to let them in again?

I'm not saying all muslims are like that, I've known some peaceful ones, but the fact remains that islam has a PR problem and is in serious need of a reformation if it's ever going to be compatible with western civilization.






No he wasn't.

Terry Nichols and Michael Fortier were also convicted as conspirators in the plot.

Terry Nichols was sentenced to 161 life terms without parole.

Fortier was sentenced to 12 years and has since been released.


Timothy McVeigh

From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
For the United States Navy sailor, see Timothy R. McVeigh.
Timothy McVeigh
McVeigh mugshot.jpg
FBI mugshot of McVeigh
Born Timothy James McVeigh
April 23, 1968
Lockport, New York, U.S.
Died June 11, 2001 (aged 33)
USP Terre Haute in Terre Haute, Indiana, U.S.
Cause of death Execution by lethal injection
Nationality American
Other names Tim Tuttle[1]
Darel Bridges[2]
Robert Kling
Occupation U.S. Army veteran, security guard
Criminal penalty Death by lethal injection
Criminal status Executed

Motive Retaliation for the Waco Siege, Ruby Ridge, other government raids and general U.S. foreign policy
Conviction(s) Use of a weapon of mass destruction
Conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction
Destruction with the use of explosives
8 counts of first-degree murder
Partner(s) Terry Nichols
Michael Fortier
Killings
Date April 19, 1995
9:02 a.m. (CDT)
Location(s) Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, U.S.
Target(s) Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building, housing Federal government
Killed 168
Injured 680+
Weapons Fertilizer car bomb

Timothy James McVeigh (April 23, 1968 – June 11, 2001) was an American domestic terrorist convicted[3] and executed[4] for the detonation of a truck bomb in front of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City on April 19, 1995.[5] Commonly referred to as the Oklahoma City bombing, the attack killed 168 people and injured over 600.[6] According to the United States Government, it was the deadliest act of terrorism within the United States prior to the September 11 attacks, and remains the most significant act of domestic terrorism in United States history.

McVeigh, a Gulf War veteran, sought revenge against the federal government for its handling of the 1993 Waco siege, which ended in the deaths of 76 people exactly two years before the bombing, as well as for the 1992 Ruby Ridge incident. McVeigh hoped to inspire a revolt against the federal government. He was convicted of eleven federal offences and sentenced to death. His execution was carried out in a considerably shorter amount of time than average after his trial, as most convicts on death row in the United States spend an average of fifteen years awaiting execution. Four years after his conviction, McVeigh was executed by lethal injection on June 11, 2001, at the Federal Correctional Complex in Terre Haute, Indiana, exactly three months before the September 11 attacks. Terry Nichols and Michael Fortier were also convicted as conspirators in the plot. Terry Nichols was sentenced to 161 life terms without parole. Fortier was sentenced to 12 years and has since been released.







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guitarslinger44 said:



2elijah said:


guitarslinger44 said:



Does it make you feel good to always be so fucking smug? lol

The difference is that black folks (I'll assume that's what you're talking about) didn't do anything to incur the kind of treatment they got. There are radical muslims in a lot of places that don't make a secret of the fact that they disagree with major parts of western society, and are willing to kill people over it. So given that, your argument is moot. I'm not saying it's good to be prejudiced, but I understand it. So try again. Or don't.
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Typing all in bold and shit, lol, I thought you had thick skin. It's ok, calm down. comfort Not a crime to have a difference of opinion. Whether it is hatred against one's religion or racial identity, both are forms of hatred. That's the point. Anyway, like I said, Anti-Muslim hatred, suspicion, paranoia has increased in this country, and there is also an increase in anti-Muslim groups as well, since trump's campaign and presidency. Of course I am not in support radical Islamists or extremists, who use their religion to cause physical harm to others, and those who are part of hate groups, like White supremacists, who have hatred to do the same. My point is, that the level of prejudice against Muslims today in America is basically on the same level as racial hatred towards many non-Whites in America. Just a comparison of the two prejudices, which are part of the -isms of this society. So no need to lose your cool. Unfortunately, Trump's campaign rhetoric fueled more hatred and a negative, stereotyped view of all Muslims. But you have to admit though, that it's interesting how Americans don't hear of any American citizen or foreigner, being questioned or detained by airport personnel, for being suspected of being a member of a White Supremacist hate group and as a possible domestic terrorist threat, given the history of terrorism, committed by such hate groups, and a hate group that still exists on American soil today. popcorn If you would like me to provide you with documented facts of such American hate groups, who committed these domestic terrorist crimes, I'm pretty sure you wouldn't have any trouble finding it yourself. Let's be honest here, many Americans need to stop pretending this country doesn't have domestic terrorists, that have caused physical harm, terror to American citizens, whether that terror was based on race, religion or political beliefs, yet some idiots are very quick to point fingers, yell, scream bitch only about foreign terrorists, who do the same crimes that Americans have and do commit on Americans, but don't call out America on such wrongs. [Edited 3/4/17 12:50pm]


I think it's laughable that you make all kinds of assumptions about me. lol if I told you why I actually type in bold, you'd probably laugh, but I guess I'll just let you keep wondering because it's funny. lol My skin's plenty thick though, so don't worry, you haven't triggered me, I'm just asking questions. wink

Anyway, down to business. Sure American citizens cause plenty of shit, but they're AMERICAN CITIZENS. Why would a natural born American citizen be detained at all unless they've committed a crime already? Why it is surprising that some folks are reticent to bring in groups of people from regions with ideologies that are openly antagonistic to our culture? I'd say anti muslim sentiment was at an all time high after 9/11, so while it may be moreso now than it was for awhile, it's not on that level. You talk about detaining white supremecists, but black men commit more murders than white supremecists, should we also detain every black man that comes across the border as well? Yours are false equivalencies.

It's also about motivation. Tim McVeigh was a lone wacko, and some of the muslims carrying out these acts are lone wackos as well, but their chosen (and that's the important part, CHOSEN) ideology merits them for carrying out these acts. So why again should we be bending over backwards to let them in again? I'm not saying all muslims are like that, I've known some peaceful ones, but the fact remains that islam has a PR problem and is in serious need of a reformation if it's ever going to be compatible with western civilization.



Ask Muhammad Ali's son, an American citizen, why he was detained at the airport recently. He committed no crime. Ask all the innocent Black and Brown Americans racially profiled, in this country, and assumed criminals just based on their race.

What's your excuse about that?

Like I said, no reason for you to lose your shit over someone telling you truths you can't handle or disagree. Relax, calm down and have a cup of chamomile tea. comfort

If you're going to accuse Blacks of committing more crimes, get your stats right. Yes, according to stats, many Blacks have committed Black on Black crime. That's crime 'within' the Black community, they don't commit 'more crime' nationally, outside their community. Many Black men who commit no crime, are racially profiled, by racist and rogue cops, and immediately shot, and killed because they are immediately assumed criminals, based on their race, and the ignorance of many badly trained, rogue or racist police officers, who use their stereotyped views of Blacks, upon first approach.

You need to stop pretending that whites don't commit crimes in this country and downplaying acts of lone, white terrorists. 'Many' Whites commit crimes and kill, and with the high increase in white hate groups lately, (and that's a fact), why are white males not profiled and assumed domestic terrorists? I bet you'd freak
out if tha happened. Yet you think it's ok for all Muslims in and outside of America, to be profiled and suspected as terrorists. Fact is, more terrorist acts are committed by Anericsns in this country, not foreigners.

It's also interesting how certain orgers here,take the time to post negative info of Blacks, but as soon as you mention hard and ugly but truths about the criminal activity committed by many whites, suddenly it's a problem and taboo to discuss, and then the individual is accused of being racist or anti-white. Lol. Amazing.

If you're going to point fingers and accuse an entire religious or racial group of crimes, then include all groups, because there is no group in this country or outside of it, where there aren't bad apples inside of it. But to paint an 'entire' religious group as terrorists, based on your personal prejudices of them is just ignorant.

You need to stop trying to paint an innocent picture of Whites, and face the reality and truth that many whites commit crimes in the country, dating back to the arrival of their early, European immigrant ancestors who came tonthis country, and where many of their descendants, later became Americans. It is a fact that many of them also were involved in horrific and barbaric crimes, during the slavery era, and committed crimes such as rape, incest, thuggery, thievery, butchery, torture, castration, and designed the system of racism, born out of racist, white supremacist ideology, used to maintain power and control over the lives of their own, and the non-white population. All facts that you will probably glide over and excuse.

Now again, regarding Muslims, it is wrong for you to assume all Muslims are possible terrorists and hate Americans, and label them as such. Your hate towards them is no different from those who are actually involved in terrorist acts. That's how terrorist beliefs starts, through your type of hate towards a particular racial or religious group. Just ask why there has been an increase in membership recently, in white supremacist hate groups across America lately. It's because of folks with your type of ignorance and hate towards individuals of a specific religion or race. Bottom line. Hate towards someone of a specific religion is no different than the hate towards someone of a specific racial group. Learn from this country's embarrassing, domestic terrorist and barbaric history or do you suddenly have a case of amnesia? Enjoy your day.
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The 'you can't be racist because Muslim is not a race' is a feeble excuse, used mainly but nor exclusively by people who are racist but don't want to admit it...

but that is not even the core of the issue. some on the left (like hillaary and barack and pelosi) say that even using the phrase radical Islamic terrorists is islamophobic and insults the vast majority of Muslims. But it should not. It is specifically intended to exclude those who are not radical--and in fact the suggestion that it would insult all is actually islamophobic.

Near Dallas a few years ago there was a contest to draw mohamad ( *~@:~{>). and some on the left suggested it was asking to be attacked! What? So in that lefies mind it was an understandable reaction? That we should KNOW that it would happen? That is islamophobia.

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I am deeply concerned about the spread of Islam in the world. I think it is a superstition. The idea that the Koran is somehow more than the product of men, that it was ultimately authored by a supreme being, is superstition. I engage in conversation with Muslims about their faith because I think it can be shown to be a superstition. Islam is not a race but a set of ideas. Bad ideas can infect all races.


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but that is not even the core of the issue. some on the left (like hillaary and barack and pelosi) say that even using the phrase radical Islamic terrorists is islamophobic and insults the vast majority of Muslims. But it should not. It is specifically intended to exclude those who are not radical--and in fact the suggestion that it would insult all is actually islamophobic.

Near Dallas a few years ago there was a contest to draw mohamad ( *~@:~{>). and some on the left suggested it was asking to be attacked! What? So in that lefies mind it was an understandable reaction? That we should KNOW that it would happen? That is islamophobia.


Meanwhile, famous white people are being pulled aside and given the Shane Sparks treatment for more than a full minute. But the ignorant white-hating morons keep insisting it's "racism" every time it happens to a Muslim or Latino or African American. bored




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Islamaphobia is steeped in racism. It's not a coincidence that a religion made up of mostly brown and black people is so easily demonised.
Worst still it is all being done so elites and corporations can play geo-politics.




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It's not a coincidence that a religion made up of mostly brown and black people is so easily demonised.


Yeah the whole beheading, mass shooting, mass bombing, Sharia law, kill-everyone-who-isn't-Muslim thing has absolutely nothing to do with the religion's current reputation. nutty

Never realized until now how out of touch with reality you are.

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hausofmoi7 said:


It's not a coincidence that a religion made up of mostly brown and black people is so easily demonised.


Yeah the whole beheading, mass shooting, mass bombing, Sharia law, kill-everyone-who-isn't-Muslim thing has absolutely nothing to do with the religion's current reputation. nutty

Never realized until now how out of touch with reality you are.


You don't know any Muslims because that is some over the top cartoonish stereotype. All those things you mentioned are haram.
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