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Reply #90 posted 03/12/17 12:49pm

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midnightmover said:

purplepoppy said:

You don't have the life experience to know what I am saying. It's ok, hard won insights come with age. You'll see someday if you are lucky.

Your personal, subjective experiences are not an effective guide to these things. The people who thought Obama couldn't be elected were also basing that on their personal experiences and impressions. You have to step back from that to make an objective judgement.

Your personal, subjective experiences are less effective than mine. I have had 40+ years of voting in the US, the country you think you know all about. Your theories are all youthfully abstract and from the outside looking in half a world away. If anyone needs to step back, it's you.

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Reply #91 posted 03/12/17 1:01pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

Only, is it wrong that ex felons lose their vote?

what do you mean EX? as in exonerated in appeal or pardoned?

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Reply #92 posted 03/12/17 1:11pm

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No, they get out of jail. Catch up.

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Reply #93 posted 03/12/17 1:20pm

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2freaky4church1 said:

No, they get out of jail. Catch up.

then they are still a felon... unless you are pardoned or have the conviction overturned or have it expunged by some other means, they are always a felon.

I would say that at some point most should be able to earn it back...

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Reply #94 posted 03/13/17 8:23am

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They are always a what? You are sick.

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Reply #95 posted 03/18/17 1:30am

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purplepoppy said:

midnightmover said:

Your personal, subjective experiences are not an effective guide to these things. The people who thought Obama couldn't be elected were also basing that on their personal experiences and impressions. You have to step back from that to make an objective judgement.

Your personal, subjective experiences are less effective than mine. I have had 40+ years of voting in the US, the country you think you know all about. Your theories are all youthfully abstract and from the outside looking in half a world away. If anyone needs to step back, it's you.

I'm not using personal subjective experiences to make my judgement. I'm looking at objective facts such as the election two times of a biracial man with a Muslim name to the White House; such as polling data.

People voted for change in 2008. They didn't get it, so they voted for change again in 2016. That's what it was about; the hunger for change. The racists who voted for Trump never voted for Obama either so they were not the decisive factor in Trump's win. They were crucial in the Republican primary but not the general. The blue collar Democrats who switched to Trump did it for economic reasons, not racial ones. Just this week a study was done that confirmed that those Trump voters in Michigan would've voted for Bernie if he'd got the nomination. Here's a video on that..

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Reply #96 posted 03/18/17 7:45am

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Yes, in a textbook or a perfect world every candidate can win. There has never been enough will to support a female or Jewish president, yet. I suppose you think a Muslim candidate has an equal chance too.

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