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Reply #90 posted 03/12/17 12:49pm

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midnightmover said:

purplepoppy said:

You don't have the life experience to know what I am saying. It's ok, hard won insights come with age. You'll see someday if you are lucky.

Your personal, subjective experiences are not an effective guide to these things. The people who thought Obama couldn't be elected were also basing that on their personal experiences and impressions. You have to step back from that to make an objective judgement.

Your personal, subjective experiences are less effective than mine. I have had 40+ years of voting in the US, the country you think you know all about. Your theories are all youthfully abstract and from the outside looking in half a world away. If anyone needs to step back, it's you.

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Reply #91 posted 03/12/17 1:01pm

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Only, is it wrong that ex felons lose their vote?

what do you mean EX? as in exonerated in appeal or pardoned?

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Reply #92 posted 03/12/17 1:11pm

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No, they get out of jail. Catch up.

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Reply #93 posted 03/12/17 1:20pm

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No, they get out of jail. Catch up.

then they are still a felon... unless you are pardoned or have the conviction overturned or have it expunged by some other means, they are always a felon.

I would say that at some point most should be able to earn it back...

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Reply #94 posted 03/13/17 8:23am

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They are always a what? You are sick.

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Reply #95 posted 03/18/17 1:30am

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purplepoppy said:

midnightmover said:

Your personal, subjective experiences are not an effective guide to these things. The people who thought Obama couldn't be elected were also basing that on their personal experiences and impressions. You have to step back from that to make an objective judgement.

Your personal, subjective experiences are less effective than mine. I have had 40+ years of voting in the US, the country you think you know all about. Your theories are all youthfully abstract and from the outside looking in half a world away. If anyone needs to step back, it's you.

I'm not using personal subjective experiences to make my judgement. I'm looking at objective facts such as the election two times of a biracial man with a Muslim name to the White House; such as polling data.

People voted for change in 2008. They didn't get it, so they voted for change again in 2016. That's what it was about; the hunger for change. The racists who voted for Trump never voted for Obama either so they were not the decisive factor in Trump's win. They were crucial in the Republican primary but not the general. The blue collar Democrats who switched to Trump did it for economic reasons, not racial ones. Just this week a study was done that confirmed that those Trump voters in Michigan would've voted for Bernie if he'd got the nomination. Here's a video on that..

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Reply #96 posted 03/18/17 7:45am

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Yes, in a textbook or a perfect world every candidate can win. There has never been enough will to support a female or Jewish president, yet. I suppose you think a Muslim candidate has an equal chance too.

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Reply #97 posted 04/01/17 7:31am

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Don't fall for that anti-semitism stuff. The Israel lobby pushes that to make them look more sympathetic. There was a book that stated that Israel critics were the true Jew haters. Pure bunk.

You've been vindicated on this, 2freaky. Turns out dozens of the threats on synagogues and community centres in America were hoaxes carried out by a teenager living in Israel.

Teen arrested in Israel for threats against U.S. Jewish community centers

Kevin Johnson , USA TODAY
Published 9:54 a.m. ET March 23, 2017 | Updated 3:50 p.m. ET March 23, 2017

WASHINGTON — An 18-year-old Israeli-American has been arrested in connection with a wave of threats aimed at Jewish community centers, the FBI confirmed Thursday.

Israeli police arrested the suspect, identified as Michael Kaydar, as part of joint investigation with the FBI.

U.S. investigators believe the suspect is responsible for the bulk of the threats against Jewish institutions in the past several months. Kaydar, who never lived in the U.S., is facing charges related to the threats in Israel and there are no immediate plans for his transfer to the U.S. for prosecution.

"Today’s arrest in Israel is the culmination of a large-scale investigation spanning multiple continents for hate crimes against Jewish communities across our country,'' Attorney General Jeff Sessions said Thursday. "The Department of Justice is committed to protecting the civil rights of all Americans, and we will not tolerate the targeting of any community in this country on the basis of their religious beliefs.''

The threats spread fear in communities across the country, prompting some of the targeted institutions to upgrade physical security at community centers and offer personal training to staffers to better protect themselves.

Since January, according to the Anti-Defamation League, 165 bomb threats have targeted Jewish institutions across the country, including schools, synagogues and ADL offices in New York, San Francisco, Washington, D.C., and Boston.

Jonathan A. Greenblatt, the ADL's chief executive, said Jewish communities were "relieved'' by the arrest.

"While details of this crime remain unclear, the impact of this individual's actions is crystal clear,'' Greenblatt said. "These were acts of anti-Semitism. These threats targeted Jewish institutions, which were calculated to sow fear and anxiety and put the entire Jewish community on high alert.''

The Israeli teen's arrest is separate from the case announced earlier this month against a 31-year-old Missouri man who was charged with similar threats as part of a bizarre cyberstalking scheme to retaliate against a former girlfriend, federal prosecutors allege.

Juan Thompson, a former writer for the online investigative publication The Intercept, was arrested in St. Louis. He is accused of making at least eight bomb threats against Jewish institutions in New York, including the Anti-Defamation League, and across the country, in the name of a woman described in court documents as a "former romantic interest.''

"Thompson's alleged pattern of harassment not only involved the defamation of his female victim, but his threats intimidated an entire community,'' FBI Assistant Director William Sweeney Jr., said following Thompson's arrest.

Thompson, who worked for The Intercept for 14 months, was fired in January 2016 after editors "discovered that he had fabricated sources and quotes in his articles," the publication said in a statement.

According to court documents, one of the threats, emailed Feb. 21 to the ADL's Manhattan office, named the former girlfriend and said she "is behind the bomb threats against jews. She lives in nyc and is making more bomb threats tomorrow."

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