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How come God won't tell anyone his name?



How come God won't tell anyone his name?


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Reply #1 posted 02/19/17 12:38pm

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Is it part of a kooky ruse to get free of a recording contract He's begun to find unduly restrictive....?

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Reply #2 posted 02/19/17 12:48pm

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QueenofCardboard said:



How come God won't tell anyone his name?



Why do you think this is the case?

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God. Jesus is his son.

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Dasein said:

QueenofCardboard said:



How come God won't tell anyone his name?



Why do you think this is the case?



I think it may be in part because of the Egyptian belief system, in which if you knew someones REAL name, you could cast a spell on that person.

It may be in part because Moses couldn't come up with a good name.

I am sure there is a good reason, because much is made of it in the Bible, and ALL of the other gods had names.






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Reply #5 posted 02/19/17 1:17pm

Dasein

QueenofCardboard said:

Dasein said:


Why do you think this is the case?



I think it may be in part because of the Egyptian belief system, in which if you knew someones REAL name, you could cast a spell on that person.

It may be in part because Moses couldn't come up with a good name.

I am sure there is a good reason, because much is made of it in the Bible, and ALL of the other gods had names.







Yeah, but God has a gazillion names attributed to him in the Old and New Testament. Jehovah
Jireh,
or "God will Provide," for example, is one name I remember.

In Judeo-Christian folklore, if you know a demon's name, it gives you dominion over them and
will allow you to cast them out of the possessed. I never thought about that and how it may be
related with the Jewish reluctance to speak God's name. Interesting.

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Dasein said:

QueenofCardboard said:



I think it may be in part because of the Egyptian belief system, in which if you knew someones REAL name, you could cast a spell on that person.

It may be in part because Moses couldn't come up with a good name.

I am sure there is a good reason, because much is made of it in the Bible, and ALL of the other gods had names.







Yeah, but God has a gazillion names attributed to him in the Old and New Testament. Jehovah
Jireh,
or "God will Provide," for example, is one name I remember.

In Judeo-Christian folklore, if you know a demon's name, it gives you dominion over them and
will allow you to cast them out of the possessed. I never thought about that and how it may be
related with the Jewish reluctance to speak God's name. Interesting.



Yahweh, which is just another spelling of Jehovah, Elohim, El, Allah

None of these are names, they are just different variations on the word God.


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Reply #7 posted 02/19/17 3:17pm

EmmaMcG

HER real name is Agnes. She lives down the road from me. Nice woman but a little insane. She's a quiet woman. Keeps herself to herself mostly. She's got about 40 cats. I'm not sure if she actually owns them all but she feeds them and they keep coming back. She thought I was stealing her papers so she told me I was going to hell. A few days later she came back to apologise. Brought me some nice homemade cookies. That's when she told me she was God. I didn't believe her til I tasted one of her cookies. If they weren't made by the divine spirit then I don't know what to think. She left and we're on good terms now. Sometimes I feel a little guilty though. You see, I DID steal her papers!
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Reply #8 posted 02/19/17 5:30pm

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seems today's personkind at large has become too matrialistic to hear the voice of the supreme God.

~

imo one has to attain a certain spriitual level of conciousness to hear the voice of the divine creator of all good, peaceful and pure.

some say,

the name for God is, "the name," or "hashem" as far as the jewish text teach.

or the four letter un-pronounceable letters, "YHWH."

The tetragrammaton (from Greek Τετραγράμματον, meaning "[consisting of] four letters",) is the Hebrew theonym יהוה, commonly transliterated into Latin letters asYHWH. It is one of the names of God used in the Hebrew Bible.

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Reply #9 posted 02/19/17 6:08pm

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free2bfreeda said:

seems today's personkind at large has become too matrialistic to hear the voice of the supreme God.

~

imo one has to attain a certain spriitual level of conciousness to hear the voice of the divine creator of all good, peaceful and pure.


some say,
the name for God is, "the name," or "hashem" as far as the jewish text teach.


or the four letter un-pronounceable letters, "YHWH."



The tetragrammaton (from Greek Τετραγράμματον, meaning "[consisting of] four letters",) is the Hebrew theonym יהוה, commonly transliterated into Latin letters as YHWH.

It is one of the names of God used in the Hebrew Bible.





YHWH

Origin and Etymology of yahweh

Hebrew Yahweh


First Known Use: 1869


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Reply #10 posted 02/19/17 6:57pm

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EmmaMcG said:

HER real name is Agnes. She lives down the road from me. Nice woman but a little insane. She's a quiet woman. Keeps herself to herself mostly. She's got about 40 cats. I'm not sure if she actually owns them all but she feeds them and they keep coming back. She thought I was stealing her papers so she told me I was going to hell. A few days later she came back to apologise. Brought me some nice homemade cookies. That's when she told me she was God. I didn't believe her til I tasted one of her cookies. If they weren't made by the divine spirit then I don't know what to think. She left and we're on good terms now. Sometimes I feel a little guilty though. You see, I DID steal her papers!

Blasphemous but quite funny.

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Reply #11 posted 02/19/17 8:03pm

benni

QueenofCardboard said:

free2bfreeda said:

seems today's personkind at large has become too matrialistic to hear the voice of the supreme God.

~

imo one has to attain a certain spriitual level of conciousness to hear the voice of the divine creator of all good, peaceful and pure.


some say,
the name for God is, "the name," or "hashem" as far as the jewish text teach.


or the four letter un-pronounceable letters, "YHWH."





YHWH

Origin and Etymology of yahweh

Hebrew Yahweh


First Known Use: 1869



However, YHWH is not the same as "Yahweh". The pronunciation of YHWH has been lost and it is believed that Yahweh came into being by utilizing the vowels of Adonai and combining them with the Tetragrammaton, which was done by the Masoretes and the word became Yehowah around the 12th century and it was later changed to Yahweh. The historical vocalization of YHWH was lost some time in the 2nd or 3rd centuries BCE due to the Jewish reluctance to verbally state God's name.

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Reply #12 posted 02/19/17 8:07pm

benni

And in answer to the first question, who says God doesn't tell anyone his name? Just as the symbol was unpronounceable, God's name is unutterable.

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Reply #13 posted 02/19/17 8:45pm

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benni said:


And in answer to the first question, who says God doesn't tell anyone his name?

Just as the symbol was unpronounceable, God's name is unutterable.



Exodus 3:14


New International Version
God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

New Living Translation
God replied to Moses, "I Am Who I Am. Say this to the people of Israel: I Am has sent me to you."

English Standard Version
God said to Moses, “ I AM WHO I AM.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘ I AM has sent me to you.’”

New American Standard Bible
God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

King James Bible
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
God replied to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: I AM has sent me to you."

International Standard Version
God replied to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM," and then said, "Tell the Israelis: 'I AM sent me to you.'"

NET Bible
God said to Moses, "I am that I am." And he said, "You must say this to the Israelites, 'I am has sent me to you.'"

New Heart English Bible
God said to Moses, "I AM THAT I AM," and he said, "You shall tell the children of Israel this: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

GOD'S WORD® Translation
God answered Moses, "I Am Who I Am. This is what you must say to the people of Israel: 'I Am has sent me to you.'"

JPS Tanakh 1917
And God said unto Moses: 'I AM THAT I AM'; and He said: 'Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel: I AM hath sent me unto you.'

New American Standard 1977
And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”

Jubilee Bible 2000
And God answered unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM. And he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the sons of Israel: I AM (YHWH) has sent me unto you.

King James 2000 Bible
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shall you say unto the children of Israel, I AM has sent me unto you.

American King James Version
And God said to Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shall you say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you.

American Standard Version
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Douay-Rheims Bible
God said to Moses: I AM WHO AM. He said: Thus shalt thou say to the children of Israel: HE WHO IS, hath sent me to you.

Darby Bible Translation
And God said to Moses, I AM THAT I AM. And he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel: I AM hath sent me unto you.

English Revised Version
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Webster's Bible Translation
And God said to Moses, I AM THAT I AM: And he said, Thus shalt thou say to the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me to you.

World English Bible
God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM," and he said, "You shall tell the children of Israel this: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

Young's Literal Translation
And God saith unto Moses, 'I AM THAT WHICH I AM;' He saith also, 'Thus dost thou say to the sons of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.'





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Reply #14 posted 02/19/17 9:39pm

IanRG

QueenofCardboard said:


benni said:


And in answer to the first question, who says God doesn't tell anyone his name?

Just as the symbol was unpronounceable, God's name is unutterable.



Exodus 3:14


New International Version
God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

New Living Translation
God replied to Moses, "I Am Who I Am. Say this to the people of Israel: I Am has sent me to you."

English Standard Version
God said to Moses, “ I AM WHO I AM.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘ I AM has sent me to you.’”

New American Standard Bible
God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

King James Bible
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
God replied to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: I AM has sent me to you."

International Standard Version
God replied to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM," and then said, "Tell the Israelis: 'I AM sent me to you.'"

NET Bible
God said to Moses, "I am that I am." And he said, "You must say this to the Israelites, 'I am has sent me to you.'"

New Heart English Bible
God said to Moses, "I AM THAT I AM," and he said, "You shall tell the children of Israel this: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

GOD'S WORD® Translation
God answered Moses, "I Am Who I Am. This is what you must say to the people of Israel: 'I Am has sent me to you.'"

JPS Tanakh 1917
And God said unto Moses: 'I AM THAT I AM'; and He said: 'Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel: I AM hath sent me unto you.'

New American Standard 1977
And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”

Jubilee Bible 2000
And God answered unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM. And he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the sons of Israel: I AM (YHWH) has sent me unto you.

King James 2000 Bible
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shall you say unto the children of Israel, I AM has sent me unto you.

American King James Version
And God said to Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shall you say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you.

American Standard Version
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Douay-Rheims Bible
God said to Moses: I AM WHO AM. He said: Thus shalt thou say to the children of Israel: HE WHO IS, hath sent me to you.

Darby Bible Translation
And God said to Moses, I AM THAT I AM. And he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel: I AM hath sent me unto you.

English Revised Version
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Webster's Bible Translation
And God said to Moses, I AM THAT I AM: And he said, Thus shalt thou say to the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me to you.

World English Bible
God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM," and he said, "You shall tell the children of Israel this: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

Young's Literal Translation
And God saith unto Moses, 'I AM THAT WHICH I AM;' He saith also, 'Thus dost thou say to the sons of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.'





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Not one of these is in the original text.

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The original text has the tetragrammaton as the name of God. This was in ancient Hebrew and so had no vowel and pronunciation markers - Yahweh is the closest estimation of how it probably would be said. It was initiallly pronounced by the Priests (Kohanim) but said aloud as Adonia (Lord) by the people. When this stricture was subsequently expanded to cover Priests all started saying Adonia and the original pronunciation was lost. Your quotes disprove you theory that it was not ever said because they all say the name that Moses was told to say to the people of Israel. You are leaping to conclusions to tie this in with Egytian mythology about Isis/Horus/Ra.

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IanRG said:

QueenofCardboard said:



Exodus 3:14


New International Version
God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

New Living Translation
God replied to Moses, "I Am Who I Am. Say this to the people of Israel: I Am has sent me to you."

English Standard Version
God said to Moses, “ I AM WHO I AM.” And he said, “Say this to the people of Israel: ‘ I AM has sent me to you.’”

New American Standard Bible
God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

King James Bible
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
God replied to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: I AM has sent me to you."

International Standard Version
God replied to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM," and then said, "Tell the Israelis: 'I AM sent me to you.'"

NET Bible
God said to Moses, "I am that I am." And he said, "You must say this to the Israelites, 'I am has sent me to you.'"

New Heart English Bible
God said to Moses, "I AM THAT I AM," and he said, "You shall tell the children of Israel this: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

GOD'S WORD® Translation
God answered Moses, "I Am Who I Am. This is what you must say to the people of Israel: 'I Am has sent me to you.'"

JPS Tanakh 1917
And God said unto Moses: 'I AM THAT I AM'; and He said: 'Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel: I AM hath sent me unto you.'

New American Standard 1977
And God said to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM”; and He said, “Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”

Jubilee Bible 2000
And God answered unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM. And he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the sons of Israel: I AM (YHWH) has sent me unto you.

King James 2000 Bible
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shall you say unto the children of Israel, I AM has sent me unto you.

American King James Version
And God said to Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shall you say to the children of Israel, I AM has sent me to you.

American Standard Version
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Douay-Rheims Bible
God said to Moses: I AM WHO AM. He said: Thus shalt thou say to the children of Israel: HE WHO IS, hath sent me to you.

Darby Bible Translation
And God said to Moses, I AM THAT I AM. And he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel: I AM hath sent me unto you.

English Revised Version
And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.

Webster's Bible Translation
And God said to Moses, I AM THAT I AM: And he said, Thus shalt thou say to the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me to you.

World English Bible
God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM," and he said, "You shall tell the children of Israel this: 'I AM has sent me to you.'"

Young's Literal Translation
And God saith unto Moses, 'I AM THAT WHICH I AM;' He saith also, 'Thus dost thou say to the sons of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you.'







Not one of these is in the original text.



The original text has the tetragrammaton as the name of God.

This was in ancient Hebrew and so had no vowel and pronunciation markers - Yahweh is the closest estimation of how it probably would be said.

It was initiallly pronounced by the Priests (Kohanim) but said aloud as Adonia (Lord) by the people.

When this stricture was subsequently expanded to cover Priests all started saying Adonia and the original pronunciation was lost.

Your quotes disprove your theory that it was not ever said because they all say the name that Moses was told to say to the people of Israel.

You are leaping to conclusions to tie this in with Egytian mythology about Isis/Horus/Ra.



Have you seen the original text? Who has it? Where is it?

So we can just disregard Exodus 3:14 and assume that God was forthcoming with his name?

The idea that you could invoke the power of a god if you know the gods name was not exclusive to ancient Egyptian culture.

But I am not married idea, It just thought it might not be a coincidence.












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Reply #16 posted 02/19/17 11:34pm

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The Name as Revealed in the Tanakh

: http://www.hebrew4christi.../yhvh.html

In the Tanakh, YHVH is the personal name of God.

In the traditional Jewish view, YHVH is the name expressing the mercy and condescension of Almighty God:

"The Holy One, Blessed be He, said those, You want to know my name? I am called according to my actions. When I judge the creatures I am Elohim, and when I have mercy with My world, I am named YHWH (Exodus Rabbah 3:6)

~

Shemot - Exodus - Chapter 3

from The torah

: http://www.chabad.org/lib...pter-3.htm

14God said to Moses, "Ehyeh asher ehyeh (I will be what I will be)," and He said, "So shall you say to the children of Israel, 'Ehyeh (I will be) has sent me to you.'

^

imo, one must seek the bible's roots to understand the original meaning of the scared text. at the same time one being aware that as it stands much editing and rewriting is presented in the moder nized versions of the many bibles pre and post the king james version.

so in reality many of today's mondernized and abridged bibles are a milked down version of the original collection of the sacred text.

no matter which way you turn it, today's bible originated from the many jewish text

8Torah translations

also:

so to stand in the arena of debate when finding out the truths about God in the bible and it's text, one must do total research. it's almost like looking up a word in the dictionary and bypassing the modern meaning to find the root of the word and it's original meaning.

like looking up:

Origin of God
900
before 900; Middle English, Old English; cognatewith Dutch god, German Gott, Old Norse goth,Gothic guth

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Reply #17 posted 02/19/17 11:53pm

IanRG

QueenofCardboard said:

IanRG said:



Not one of these is in the original text.



The original text has the tetragrammaton as the name of God.

This was in ancient Hebrew and so had no vowel and pronunciation markers - Yahweh is the closest estimation of how it probably would be said.

It was initiallly pronounced by the Priests (Kohanim) but said aloud as Adonia (Lord) by the people.

When this stricture was subsequently expanded to cover Priests all started saying Adonia and the original pronunciation was lost.

Your quotes disprove your theory that it was not ever said because they all say the name that Moses was told to say to the people of Israel.

You are leaping to conclusions to tie this in with Egytian mythology about Isis/Horus/Ra.



(1) Have you seen the original text? Who has it? Where is it?

(2) So we can just disregard Exodus 3:14 and assume that God was forthcoming with his name?

(3) The idea that you could invoke the power of a god if you know the gods name was not exclusive to ancient Egyptian culture.

But I am not married idea, It just thought it might not be a coincidence.

.

(1) What we have is more modern copies in more modern Hebrew and no reason to assume the Tetragrammaton was added sometime afterwards. Have you seen an ancient Hebrew version with something different? The point I am making is the original text is in Hebrew not English. Finding all the translations agree that the Tetragrammaton is God's name does not support that no one knows God's name. You cannot disregard Exodus 3:14 without good reason.

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(2) This comment is in direct conflict with the above. Why can you imply that I cannot just disregard Exodus 3:14 in your second point but seek to disregard it in your first point because I don't have access to the original text?

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Exodus 3:14 is being disregarded by you assuming that the Tetragrammaoton is not God's name despite this verse saying it is.

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Just because the Tetragrammaton means "I am" does not mean it is not a name. My name means "gift of God" - yet it is still a name. No name I know just means "name".

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(3) The difference between ALL stories that have the believe that knowing a person's, "god's" or demon's name and it being considered sometime after Exodus 3:14 to be blasphemous to say God's name is just that - they are tow completely different things. In the stories it is known that the reason someone would keep their "true" unknown is because of the power someone knowing can have. Where is this belief in the Torah?

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You are leaping to conclusions based on Egyptian mythology by ignoring any reference to what is known about Judiac beliefs. There is no coincidence unless you ignore that your thought is never given as the reason for not saying God's name.

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IanRG said:

QueenofCardboard said:



(1) Have you seen the original text? Who has it? Where is it?

(2) So we can just disregard Exodus 3:14 and assume that God was forthcoming with his name?

(3) The idea that you could invoke the power of a god if you know the gods name was not exclusive to ancient Egyptian culture.

But I am not married idea, It just thought it might not be a coincidence.

.

(1) What we have is more modern copies in more modern Hebrew and no reason to assume the Tetragrammaton was added sometime afterwards. Have you seen an ancient Hebrew version with something different? The point I am making is the original text is in Hebrew not English. Finding all the translations agree that the Tetragrammaton is God's name does not support that no one knows God's name. You cannot disregard Exodus 3:14 without good reason.

.

(2) This comment is in direct conflict with the above. Why can you imply that I cannot just disregard Exodus 3:14 in your second point but seek to disregard it in your first point because I don't have access to the original text?

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Exodus 3:14 is being disregarded by you assuming that the Tetragrammaoton is not God's name despite this verse saying it is.

.

Just because the Tetragrammaton means "I am" does not mean it is not a name. My name means "gift of God" - yet it is still a name. No name I know just means "name".

.

(3) The difference between ALL stories that have the believe that knowing a person's, "god's" or demon's name and it being considered sometime after Exodus 3:14 to be blasphemous to say God's name is just that - they are tow completely different things. In the stories it is known that the reason someone would keep their "true" unknown is because of the power someone knowing can have. Where is this belief in the Torah?

.

You are leaping to conclusions based on Egyptian mythology by ignoring any reference to what is known about Judiac beliefs. There is no coincidence unless you ignore that your thought is never given as the reason for not saying God's name.



So your point is that God did tell Moses his name, and that God's name is (in English) "I Am".

hmmm





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Reply #19 posted 02/20/17 12:34am

free2bfreeda

QueenofCardboard said:

free2bfreeda said:

seems today's personkind at large has become too matrialistic to hear the voice of the supreme God.

~

imo one has to attain a certain spriitual level of conciousness to hear the voice of the divine creator of all good, peaceful and pure.


some say,
the name for God is, "the name," or "hashem" as far as the jewish text teach.


or the four letter un-pronounceable letters, "YHWH."





YHWH

Origin and Etymology of yahweh

Hebrew Yahweh


First Known Use: 1869


Jehovah is a divine name, while “God” is a title in the Old Testament as it has come down to us. Jehovah, the God of Israel, is also designated by other titles in the Hebrew Bible (the Christian Old Testament).

Jehovah (/ˈhvə/ jə-hoh-və) is a Latinization of the Hebrew יְהֹוָה‎, one vocalization of the Tetragrammaton יהוה‎ (YHWH), the proper name of the God of Israel in the Hebrew Bible.

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however this ongoing debate can go on and on with and without totally agreeing to individual povs.

so what i'm expressing maywell be totally different from how you see it. politics and religion are two very sensitive subjects to expound upon.

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Reply #20 posted 02/20/17 12:38am

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How come God won't tell anyone his name?



If you're talking about the "God" of the Holy Bible, his name is YHWH.

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Reply #21 posted 02/20/17 12:39am

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IanRG said:

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(1) What we have is more modern copies in more modern Hebrew and no reason to assume the Tetragrammaton was added sometime afterwards. Have you seen an ancient Hebrew version with something different? The point I am making is the original text is in Hebrew not English. Finding all the translations agree that the Tetragrammaton is God's name does not support that no one knows God's name. You cannot disregard Exodus 3:14 without good reason.

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(2) This comment is in direct conflict with the above. Why can you imply that I cannot just disregard Exodus 3:14 in your second point but seek to disregard it in your first point because I don't have access to the original text?

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Exodus 3:14 is being disregarded by you assuming that the Tetragrammaoton is not God's name despite this verse saying it is.

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Just because the Tetragrammaton means "I am" does not mean it is not a name. My name means "gift of God" - yet it is still a name. No name I know just means "name".

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(3) The difference between ALL stories that have the believe that knowing a person's, "god's" or demon's name and it being considered sometime after Exodus 3:14 to be blasphemous to say God's name is just that - they are tow completely different things. In the stories it is known that the reason someone would keep their "true" unknown is because of the power someone knowing can have. Where is this belief in the Torah?

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You are leaping to conclusions based on Egyptian mythology by ignoring any reference to what is known about Judiac beliefs. There is no coincidence unless you ignore that your thought is never given as the reason for not saying God's name.



So your point is that God did tell Moses his name, and that God's name is (in English) "I Am".

hmmm





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No, I am saying that God told Moses to tell people his name is the Tetragrammaton and at that time they knew how to say it. This name means "I am", like mine means "gift of God". I am saying that the pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton is unknown today but assumed to be Yahweh or something similar for the simple reason people stop saying it so long ago when it became considered blasphemous to say. This is known and makes far more sense than an unspoken hidden myth that the Israelites believed that they would have power of God if they knew God's name just because this belief is present in myths and stories of other people.

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"I am that I am" sounds more Bad-azz to me..I don't blame his attitude, Love his Boss-Swagger.

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Reply #23 posted 02/20/17 5:37am

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why do you totally assume that is the case?

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Atheist is a white thing.

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Reply #25 posted 02/20/17 9:30am

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IanRG said:

QueenofCardboard said:



So your point is that God did tell Moses his name, and that God's name is (in English) "I Am".

hmmm





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No, I am saying that God told Moses to tell people his name is the Tetragrammaton and at that time they knew how to say it. This name means "I am", like mine means "gift of God". I am saying that the pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton is unknown today but assumed to be Yahweh or something similar for the simple reason people stop saying it so long ago when it became considered blasphemous to say. This is known and makes far more sense than an unspoken hidden myth that the Israelites believed that they would have power of God if they knew God's name just because this belief is present in myths and stories of other people.

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Yeah but,

The hebrews had been living in egypt for at least 400 years by the time YHWH showed up.

By then they would have picked up some of the egyptians beliefs.



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Reply #26 posted 02/20/17 9:41am

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An example of God with holding his name.

Genesis 32:22-32New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)


Jacob Wrestles at Peniel


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The same night he got up and took his two wives, his two maids, and his eleven children, and crossed the ford of the Jabbok.

23 He took them and sent them across the stream, and likewise everything that he had.

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Jacob was left alone; and a man wrestled with him until daybreak.


25
When the man saw that he did not prevail against Jacob, he struck him on the hip socket; and Jacob’s hip was put out of joint as he wrestled with him.


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Then he said, “Let me go, for the day is breaking.” But Jacob said, “I will not let you go, unless you bless me.”


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So he said to him, “What is your name?” And he said, “Jacob.”

28 Then the man[a] said, “You shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel,[b] for you have striven with God and with humans,[c] and have prevailed.”

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Then Jacob asked him, “Please tell me your name.” But he said, “Why is it that you ask my name?” And there he blessed him.


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So Jacob called the place Peniel,[d] saying, “For I have seen God face to face, and yet my life is preserved.”

31 The sun rose upon him as he passed Penuel, limping because of his hip.

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Therefore to this day the Israelites do not eat the thigh muscle that is on the hip socket, because he struck Jacob on the hip socket at the thigh muscle.







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Reply #27 posted 02/20/17 10:37am

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QueenofCardboard said:

IanRG said:

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No, I am saying that God told Moses to tell people his name is the Tetragrammaton and at that time they knew how to say it. This name means "I am", like mine means "gift of God". I am saying that the pronunciation of the Tetragrammaton is unknown today but assumed to be Yahweh or something similar for the simple reason people stop saying it so long ago when it became considered blasphemous to say. This is known and makes far more sense than an unspoken hidden myth that the Israelites believed that they would have power of God if they knew God's name just because this belief is present in myths and stories of other people.

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Yeah but,

The hebrews had been living in egypt for at least 400 years by the time YHWH showed up.

By then they would have picked up some of the egyptians beliefs.



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But the Hebrews completely fail to ever mention anything at all about not naming God becasue they would have power over God if they did and ALL other stories where this power is claimed to exist specifically state that this power exists. You are clutching at straws.

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Reply #28 posted 02/20/17 10:47am

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So humans won't know who to implicate in all the murders he's committed over the years. lol

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Reply #29 posted 02/20/17 10:59am

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IanRG said:

QueenofCardboard said:



Yeah but,


The hebrews had been living in egypt for at least 400 years by the time YHWH showed up.

By then they would have picked up some of the egyptians beliefs.





But the Hebrews completely fail to ever mention anything at all about not naming God becasue they would have power over God if they did and ALL other stories where this power is claimed to exist specifically state that this power exists.

You are clutching at straws.



hmmm


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