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5 dead, 8 injured in shooting at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood airport

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Canadians in #FtLauderdale, #US - for emergency consular assistance contact (305) 579-1600 or 1-888-949-9993 2/3


Dunno if this is a terrorist act or not at the time of this post.

A suspect detained following a shooting at the Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport that killed five people and injured eight was a passenger on a Canadian flight, an official says. Chip LaMarca, a Broward County commissioner, was briefed on the airport shooting by the Broward Sheriff's Office. He told The Associated Press that the shooter had arrived in Fort Lauderdale aboard a Canadian flight with a gun in a checked bag. .................... http://www.cbc.ca/news/wo...-1.3924610


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'Everyone started to run': Canadians describe chaos at Fort Lauderdale airport -
Air Canada passengers were awaiting departures, others just arriving at Fort Lauderdale when shooting began ....
http://www.cbc.ca/news/ca...-1.3924784



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Reply #1 posted 01/06/17 1:52pm

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Its fKed up that the airport is not safe over in Ft.Lauderdale n Lax do hoax threats n put it on the new like it's game. My heart goes out to the lost ives n injured as well so now metal detectors at the entrances now before going into the airport now i think its a great idea!!!
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Lonewolf ISIS sympathizer that was hearing voices. Supposedly spoke to the feds. They need to get harder on this.

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Reply #3 posted 01/06/17 4:54pm

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

Lonewolf ISIS sympathizer that was hearing voices. Supposedly spoke to the feds. They need to get harder on this.


They can't track every lone wolf no matter how much they 'harder' they try to get. As long as they don't do anything major about gun control in this country, and there are open-carry states, no matter if the person has a gun license and passed a background check, there is always a possibility of someone 'losing it' and using their gun(s) to handle their problems.
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2elijah said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Lonewolf ISIS sympathizer that was hearing voices. Supposedly spoke to the feds. They need to get harder on this.

They can't track every lone wolf no matter how much they 'harder' they try to get. As long as they don't do anything major about gun control in this country, and there are open-carry states, no matter if the person has a gun license and passed a background check, there is always a possibility of someone 'losing it' and using their gun(s) to handle their problems. [Edited 1/6/17 16:55pm]

This guy was talking to feds that he supported ISIS, they can do more. We could do more to go after known supporters of ISIS in America.

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Reply #5 posted 01/06/17 9:18pm

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SuperFurryAnimal said:

2elijah said:

SuperFurryAnimal said: They can't track every lone wolf no matter how much they 'harder' they try to get. As long as they don't do anything major about gun control in this country, and there are open-carry states, no matter if the person has a gun license and passed a background check, there is always a possibility of someone 'losing it' and using their gun(s) to handle their problems. [Edited 1/6/17 16:55pm]

This guy was talking to feds that he supported ISIS, they can do more. We could do more to go after known supporters of ISIS in America.


Every damn time I travel, I get my checked bags searched and my carryons pulled aside and searched. And this asshole has no problem checking luggage with a gun and ammo inside. There's a serious problem with the type of people being hired for TSA, something needs to be done.

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Reply #6 posted 01/06/17 10:33pm

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Happy 2017, everyone. The first mass shooting of the new year.
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SuperFurryAnimal said:




2elijah said:


SuperFurryAnimal said: They can't track every lone wolf no matter how much they 'harder' they try to get. As long as they don't do anything major about gun control in this country, and there are open-carry states, no matter if the person has a gun license and passed a background check, there is always a possibility of someone 'losing it' and using their gun(s) to handle their problems. [Edited 1/6/17 16:55pm]


This guy was talking to feds that he supported ISIS, they can do more. We could do more to go after known supporters of ISIS in America.




Every damn time I travel, I get my checked bags searched and my carryons pulled aside and searched. And this asshole has no problem checking luggage with a gun and ammo inside. There's a serious problem with the type of people being hired for TSA, something needs to be done.



It is OK to have a gun in CHECKED baggage, as long as it is not loaded. It needs to be declared, as well. It looks like he claimed his bag, went into a bathroom, got out his gun and loaded it in there. I hope there are not any copy cats.
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Reply #8 posted 01/07/17 8:13am

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SuperFurryAnimal said:



2elijah said:


SuperFurryAnimal said:

Lonewolf ISIS sympathizer that was hearing voices. Supposedly spoke to the feds. They need to get harder on this.



They can't track every lone wolf no matter how much they 'harder' they try to get. As long as they don't do anything major about gun control in this country, and there are open-carry states, no matter if the person has a gun license and passed a background check, there is always a possibility of someone 'losing it' and using their gun(s) to handle their problems. [Edited 1/6/17 16:55pm]


This guy was talking to feds that he supported ISIS, they can do more. We could do more to go after known supporters of ISIS in America.



Yes that's true, but all America's gun crimes are not due to Isis sympathizers. This country can make an effort to do more about gun control in this country. You have lone wolves in this country that do mass killings, which have nothing to do with Isis. Stop being selective, get real and understand that when someone in this country, gets that angry at society, and gets hold of a gun, and shoots up daycare centers, educational institutions, malls, it is not always because they were influenced by Isis. For example, The men or women who kills their family members because they can't handle personal family issues, then turn the guns on themselves or guns intentionally put into poor communities for youth to sell and turn it in their own communities. Yes unfortunately there are isis sympatizers, but this gun problem in America existed long before that. People can't keep shifting the blame that Isis is the reason behind all of America's gun problems and murders. America needs stricter gun laws, and in my opinion, also need to get rid of 'open-carry' unless one works for a law enforcement agency.
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Reply #9 posted 01/07/17 9:04am

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2elijah said:

SuperFurryAnimal said:

Lonewolf ISIS sympathizer that was hearing voices. Supposedly spoke to the feds. They need to get harder on this.


They can't track every lone wolf no matter how much they 'harder' they try to get. As long as they don't do anything major about gun control in this country, and there are open-carry states, no matter if the person has a gun license and passed a background check, there is always a possibility of someone 'losing it' and using their gun(s) to handle their problems.
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This has absolutely nothing to do with gun control. This guy was an Isis sympathizer. Were you calling for truck bans when terrorists plowed through crowds of people? This is about a sick ideaology. He also appeared to have a mental health problem which he self reported and no one did anything about it.
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Factor1 said:

2elijah said:


They can't track every lone wolf no matter how much they 'harder' they try to get. As long as they don't do anything major about gun control in this country, and there are open-carry states, no matter if the person has a gun license and passed a background check, there is always a possibility of someone 'losing it' and using their gun(s) to handle their problems.
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This has absolutely nothing to do with gun control. This guy was an Isis sympathizer. Were you calling for truck bans when terrorists plowed through crowds of people? This is about a sick ideaology. He also appeared to have a mental health problem which he self reported and no one did anything about it.
[Edited 1/7/17 9:05am]

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Reply #11 posted 01/07/17 10:30am

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2elijah said:


They can't track every lone wolf no matter how much they 'harder' they try to get. As long as they don't do anything major about gun control in this country, and there are open-carry states, no matter if the person has a gun license and passed a background check, there is always a possibility of someone 'losing it' and using their gun(s) to handle their problems.
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This has absolutely nothing to do with gun control. This guy was an Isis sympathizer. Were you calling for truck bans when terrorists plowed through crowds of people? This is about a sick ideaology. He also appeared to have a mental health problem which he self reported and no one did anything about it.
[Edited 1/7/17 9:05am]


Actually, it is a gun control issue. He was kicked out of the military, he has been accused of attempting to choke his girlfriend, and he had been under psychiactric care. Why should such a person have a gun in the first place?
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Pokeno4Money said:


Every damn time I travel, I get my checked bags searched and my carryons pulled aside and searched. And this asshole has no problem checking luggage with a gun and ammo inside. There's a serious problem with the type of people being hired for TSA, something needs to be done.

It is OK to have a gun in CHECKED baggage, as long as it is not loaded. It needs to be declared, as well. It looks like he claimed his bag, went into a bathroom, got out his gun and loaded it in there. I hope there are not any copy cats.


Actually the gun has to be in a locked hardsided container. But I'm not saying he got away with doing something illegal, I'm saying there's something seriously wrong with TSA to allow ANYONE to fly with a gun in their checked baggage. What purpose would he have to bring a gun all the way to Florida? Especially someone whom the FBI knew had mental issues.

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2elijah said:
They can't track every lone wolf no matter how much they 'harder' they try to get. As long as they don't do anything major about gun control in this country, and there are open-carry states, no matter if the person has a gun license and passed a background check, there is always a possibility of someone 'losing it' and using their gun(s) to handle their problems. [Edited 1/6/17 16:55pm]
This has absolutely nothing to do with gun control. This guy was an Isis sympathizer. Were you calling for truck bans when terrorists plowed through crowds of people? This is about a sick ideaology. He also appeared to have a mental health problem which he self reported and no one did anything about it. [Edited 1/7/17 9:05am]


Too bad there was nobody else at the scene with a gun, they could have stopped him and prevented deaths and injuries. We as a society cannot expect law enforcement to protect us everywhere all the time, it's just not possible. So we need to protect ourselves by arming ourselves. All these mass shootings have one common theme, the shooters had weapons and everyone else was helpless because they were all unarmed. That goes for knife attacks too. There will always be bad guys with guns, no law could ever change that. If you ban all guns the bad guys will still get their hands on them, guaranteed. No different than when pot was against the law in every state, it sure as hell didn't prevent millions of people from using it.


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Superfurry, shody evidence my man. The guy was not even Muslim or a terrorist, he was mentally ill and a former vet from Iraq who got ptsd. War and illegal killing of women and children are what unhinged him:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/0...index.html

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The guy was not even Muslim or a terrorist


So you believe him when he says he watched ISIS videos only because "the government forced him by controlling his mind".

Well alrighty then ... omg

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just hope this is not used as an excuse to further restrict the 100% of law abiding gun owners that do not do this kind of thing. All day yesterday they were saying crap about how maybe no one should be allowed to check guns with their luggage.

as far as the silly reasons why this criminal should not have been allowed to have a gun? I find that logic to lack validity as it would not stand up to any actual test of consistency of how any other right would be restricted. The idea that if one had been kicked out of the military as a test is just stupid and I would bet comes from someone that is 1) anti-military and 2) never served. The claim he has mental illness or PTSD--when was he diagnosed and by what instrument? Being under care is not the same thing and should not be a soul reason to take away a basic civil right. And being accused of a crime is also NOT EVER by itself a basis to take away a civil right!

These are arguments of anti-gun people who will twist up to say they are not but that is just a diversion. Most that say they want "reasonable" laws are really for massive restrictions.

EXAMPLE: those that want universal background checks are actually opposed to basic gun safety.

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just hope this is not used as an excuse to further restrict the 100% of law abiding gun owners that do not do this kind of thing. All day yesterday they were saying crap about how maybe no one should be allowed to check guns with their luggage.

as far as the silly reasons why this criminal should not have been allowed to have a gun? I find that logic to lack validity as it would not stand up to any actual test of consistency of how any other right would be restricted. The idea that if one had been kicked out of the military as a test is just stupid and I would bet comes from someone that is 1) anti-military and 2) never served. The claim he has mental illness or PTSD--when was he diagnosed and by what instrument? Being under care is not the same thing and should not be a soul reason to take away a basic civil right. And being accused of a crime is also NOT EVER by itself a basis to take away a civil right!

These are arguments of anti-gun people who will twist up to say they are not but that is just a diversion. Most that say they want "reasonable" laws are really for massive restrictions.

EXAMPLE: those that want universal background checks are actually opposed to basic gun safety.


Obviously I'm all for people owning guns to protect themselves and others, but there's plenty of public places that ban guns irregardless of whether the person is legally allowed to carry them. Airports should be one of them, and I'm guessing they very well might be in the future.

This is more than enough reason he should have had his gun permit revoked:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/06/ft-lauderdale-shooting-suspect-had-minor-criminal-history-honorable-discharge-from-national-guard.html

"In November 2016, Esteban Santiago walked into the Anchorage FBI Field Office to report that his mind was being controlled by a U.S. intelligence agency,” a senior federal law enforcement official said.

“During the interview, Santiago appeared agitated and incoherent, and made disjointed statements. Although Santiago stated that he did not wish to harm anyone, as a result of his erratic behavior, interviewing agents contacted local authorities who took custody of Santiago and transported him to a local medical facility for evaluation.

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Pokeno4Money said:

OnlyNDaUsa said:

just hope this is not used as an excuse to further restrict the 100% of law abiding gun owners that do not do this kind of thing. All day yesterday they were saying crap about how maybe no one should be allowed to check guns with their luggage.

as far as the silly reasons why this criminal should not have been allowed to have a gun? I find that logic to lack validity as it would not stand up to any actual test of consistency of how any other right would be restricted. The idea that if one had been kicked out of the military as a test is just stupid and I would bet comes from someone that is 1) anti-military and 2) never served. The claim he has mental illness or PTSD--when was he diagnosed and by what instrument? Being under care is not the same thing and should not be a soul reason to take away a basic civil right. And being accused of a crime is also NOT EVER by itself a basis to take away a civil right!

These are arguments of anti-gun people who will twist up to say they are not but that is just a diversion. Most that say they want "reasonable" laws are really for massive restrictions.

EXAMPLE: those that want universal background checks are actually opposed to basic gun safety.


Obviously I'm all for people owning guns to protect themselves and others, but there's plenty of public places that ban guns irregardless of whether the person is legally allowed to carry them. Airports should be one of them, and I'm guessing they very well might be in the future.

This is more than enough reason he should have had his gun permit revoked:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/06/ft-lauderdale-shooting-suspect-had-minor-criminal-history-honorable-discharge-from-national-guard.html

"In November 2016, Esteban Santiago walked into the Anchorage FBI Field Office to report that his mind was being controlled by a U.S. intelligence agency,” a senior federal law enforcement official said.

“During the interview, Santiago appeared agitated and incoherent, and made disjointed statements. Although Santiago stated that he did not wish to harm anyone, as a result of his erratic behavior, interviewing agents contacted local authorities who took custody of Santiago and transported him to a local medical facility for evaluation.

so we punish all the people that travel by air that own guns?

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2freaky4church1 said:

Superfurry, shody evidence my man. The guy was not even Muslim or a terrorist, he was mentally ill and a former vet from Iraq who got ptsd. War and illegal killing of women and children are what unhinged him:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/0...index.html

How about a New Years resolution: No more fake news. Breitbart and Fox are not news.

Fort Lauderdale shooter traveled to Florida for massacre, FBI says and have not yet ruled out terrorism.

"In November, Santiago had walked into an FBI field office in Alaska saying the U.S. government was controlling his mind and forcing him to watch Islamic State of Iraq and Syria, or ISIS, videos, a U.S. law enforcement official briefed on the investigation told CBS News."

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/fort-lauderdale-airport-gunman-esteban-santiago-traveled-to-florida-for-massacre/

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So we have: a: someone influenced by ISIS. b. Planned the massacre. c. talked to the Feds. So we have a known ISIS supporter that recently talked to the Feds and told them he was into ISIS, he committed a mass shooting! mad

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Brother of airport shooting suspect says FBI knew he was paranoid, hearing voices

http://www.cbc.ca/news/wo...-1.3925871

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so we punish all the people that travel by air that own guns?


It's not punishment when there are other options. Really, how necessary is it to bring a gun with you on a flight? Most air travel is either for work or vacation, which means a week or less away from home. I say leave the gun at home, the odds you'll need it during that short time you're away from home are slim.

Or you can ship the unloaded gun to your destination, what's that cost an extra $8 or so?

But hey, we are ALL punished every time we go to the airport now. I'm punished by having to wait forever in the security line. I'm punished by having to go thru the trouble of taking off my shoes, belt, hat, jacket, etc. I'm punished by having to pay $5 for a shitty little bottle of water because I can't bring any drinks through security. I'm punished by having my checked bags and carryons searched, and all my neatly packed shit pulled out and crammed back in like a teenager bagging groceries. I'm punished by having to spend a fortune on "travel size" toiletries for my carry-on. I'm punished by having strangers look at my scanned body! (well, really it's the strangers looking at the images who are being punished LOL)


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Factor1 said:
This has absolutely nothing to do with gun control. This guy was an Isis sympathizer. Were you calling for truck bans when terrorists plowed through crowds of people? This is about a sick ideaology. He also appeared to have a mental health problem which he self reported and no one did anything about it. [Edited 1/7/17 9:05am]
Actually, it is a gun control issue. He was kicked out of the military, he has been accused of attempting to choke his girlfriend, and he had been under psychiactric care. Why should such a person have a gun in the first place?

That sounds like a mental health issue and not a gun issuue at all.

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Factor1 said: Actually, it is a gun control issue. He was kicked out of the military, he has been accused of attempting to choke his girlfriend, and he had been under psychiactric care. Why should such a person have a gun in the first place?

That sounds like a mental health issue and not a gun issuue at all.

I am completely anti-gun yet in this case I totally agree. We need to be focusing on mental health issues here and why he wasn't given the correct care when he admitted his thoughts. In my opinion this guy with the right care would not have committed this crime.

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I am completely anti-gun yet in this case I totally agree. We need to be focusing on mental health issues here and why he wasn't given the correct care when he admitted his thoughts. In my opinion this guy with the right care would not have committed this crime.


We all wish people could be successfully treated for their mental issues ... and Lord knows there's many, MANY people with mental issues ... but there's only so much that can be done. The FBI sent him to a medical facility for evaluation, what else could they do? Like they said, at the time he had committed no crime so there was no justification to detain him any further. If he was on meds, there's no way to ensure he will continue taking them regularly. And without committing any crimes, who is to say whether someone is mentally unstable? Can you imagine a society where people are locked up for what some think they MIGHT do, rather than what they've done?

No, this situation could have been completely avoided if his right to carry a gun was revoked ... and he absolutely SHOULD HAVE lost that right. TSA screwed up, again.

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Reply #25 posted 01/08/17 2:27am

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Pokeno4Money said:

maplenpg said:

I am completely anti-gun yet in this case I totally agree. We need to be focusing on mental health issues here and why he wasn't given the correct care when he admitted his thoughts. In my opinion this guy with the right care would not have committed this crime.


We all wish people could be successfully treated for their mental issues ... and Lord knows there's many, MANY people with mental issues ... but there's only so much that can be done. 1. The FBI sent him to a medical facility for evaluation, what else could they do? Like they said, at the time he had committed no crime so there was no justification to detain him any further. If he was on meds, there's no way to ensure he will continue taking them regularly. 2. And without committing any crimes, who is to say whether someone is mentally unstable? 3. Can you imagine a society where people are locked up for what some think they MIGHT do, rather than what they've done?

No, this situation could have been completely avoided if his right to carry a gun was revoked ... and he absolutely SHOULD HAVE lost that right. TSA screwed up, again.

1. They or someone should have made sure that he went.

2. Many people are diagnosed with mental illness without committing any crimes.

3. I never said he should have been locked up, I said with the correct care he might not have done it in the first place.


I will repeat. I am anti-gun. I completely agree that he should not have had a gun. I'll go further, I don't think most people in the world should be allowed to have a gun. I am European, we manage just fine without guns. In this case though, I think he should have been given help, he clearly had problems.

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Pokeno4Money said:


We all wish people could be successfully treated for their mental issues ... and Lord knows there's many, MANY people with mental issues ... but there's only so much that can be done. 1. The FBI sent him to a medical facility for evaluation, what else could they do? Like they said, at the time he had committed no crime so there was no justification to detain him any further. If he was on meds, there's no way to ensure he will continue taking them regularly. 2. And without committing any crimes, who is to say whether someone is mentally unstable? 3. Can you imagine a society where people are locked up for what some think they MIGHT do, rather than what they've done?

No, this situation could have been completely avoided if his right to carry a gun was revoked ... and he absolutely SHOULD HAVE lost that right. TSA screwed up, again.

1. They or someone should have made sure that he went.

2. Many people are diagnosed with mental illness without committing any crimes.

3. I never said he should have been locked up, I said with the correct care he might not have done it in the first place.


I will repeat. I am anti-gun. I completely agree that he should not have had a gun. I'll go further, I don't think most people in the world should be allowed to have a gun. I am European, we manage just fine without guns. In this case though, I think he should have been given help, he clearly had problems.


1. Not only did he go, the FBI transported him to the facility. That's why they found his gun and baby in his car, after he was transported to the facility. They gave him his gun back in December. Think about that for a minute ... giving a gun back to a mentally unstable guy who voluntarily said "I don't want to hurt anybody" and who had TWICE been reported for domestic violence. No way in hell this guy should have gotten his gun back.

2. True, and without hurting anyone or committing any crime there's no moral justification for authorities to intervene in a person's life.

3. By locked up I meant confined to a mental health facility, which is the ONLY way to ensure they receive the correct care that we both agree he needed. As I said, giving someone meds doesn't do a damn bit of good if they don't actually take them on a daily basis.

So I'm pro-gun, and I'm insisting the guy shouldn't have been allowed to have a gun. You're anti-gun, and you're saying his having a gun is not the issue. Even you have to see the humor in that! lol

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Reply #27 posted 01/08/17 9:14am

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maplenpg said:

derrick31 said:

That sounds like a mental health issue and not a gun issuue at all.

I am completely anti-gun yet in this case I totally agree. We need to be focusing on mental health issues here and why he wasn't given the correct care when he admitted his thoughts. In my opinion this guy with the right care would not have committed this crime.

I am glad you admit it. I see the right to own guns as one of the most basic and fundamental rights we have as humans. The right to self-defense, to self-preservation, is fundamental. More so that even things like free speech or free religion. I do not have enough faith or trust in any government body to both take care of me or to no take advantage.

And for all those that say "the people could never fight off a standing army..." or whatever: 1) if that is how you want to live cool, 2) if push came to shove and I wanted to try that is my issue. 3) people have done in many many times throughout history. 4) some elements of the military would side with the people.

I also do not want to have to wait for someone else with a gun to come save me... if i owned guns and I was being robbed I would prefer to wait for cops but i would rather have the option of self defence. I rather clean a carpet than be a victim.

without s means of self defence there are no other rights....

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Reply #28 posted 01/08/17 10:35am

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Brother of airport shooting suspect says FBI knew he was paranoid, hearing voices

http://www.cbc.ca/news/wo...-1.3925871


eek


And even after he had an evaluation they still handed his gun back to him. I just don't understand the mentality of this.
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Reply #29 posted 01/08/17 10:47am

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Empress said:

luv4u said:

Brother of airport shooting suspect says FBI knew he was paranoid, hearing voices

http://www.cbc.ca/news/wo...-1.3925871

eek

And even after he had an evaluation they still handed his gun back to him. I just don't understand the mentality of this.

because it is more important to not just deem someone not worth of a basic civil...or really human right... without good cause and full due process.

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