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The Stars Of Hidden Figures Have Spoken Out Against Homophobic Kim Burrell

So Kim seemed to be gearing up to get her 'crossover'? career going with Pharrell, appearing on Ellen etc and then she preaches some stuff against anyone in her church 'operating' with the Homosexual Spirit. From what I understand, allegedly, her husband left her for another man...

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http://www.msn.com/en-us/...spartanntp

Hollywood is quickly coming down on Kim Burrell after her homophobic rant in December. First, fans of Ellen demanded that the gospel singer not appear on the popular daytime talk show. Degeneres herself later confirmed on Twitter that Burrell would not come on the show. Now, Octavia Spencer, Pharrell Williams, and Janell Monáe have each spoken out against the Burrell. As the stars of December's Hidden Figures, these responses are quite notable the southern-based musician is featured on the film's soundtrack. (She joins Williams in the song "I See A Victory.")

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I shouldn't even have to post this as you guys should already know where I stand but If you do not pls know I unequivocally repudiate ANY AND ALL hateful comments against the LGBTQ community. In addition, I feel we all belong to the same community, a shared community called humanity. And today and tomorrow and the next day I will continue to stand with other like minded people who condemn any and all statements and actions that would seek to deny the basic humanity of our fellow brothers and sisters. We cannot sit Idly by nor will we speak silently when we are confronted with such violence against members of our community. I am personally beyond exhausted by the ignorance and bigotry living in some people. At times I want to punch and I want to slap a lot of people when I read and hear the shit that comes out their mouthes !!! I will rejoice when folks stop thinking they ARE GOD, Jesus' assistant, picking and choosing what "sins" are acceptable in the Bible, and using the Bible as a whip! WE can't afford anymore tearing down of our shared humanity. My advice: If your religion is causing you to spew out words of hate, judge, or look down on others because of who one loves then you need to change it. And fast. If the religion don't make you are more loving or better person, ditch it. But what do I know. My hope is that we ALL go into this new year considering for one moment that we don't have all the answers. My hope is that we become more understanding, less judgmental, more tolerate, and more patient with one another. Including me. HAPPY NEW YEAR. 🙏🏿❤"
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Reply #1 posted 01/04/17 4:01pm

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I was trying to make the connections to the movie and why it's a big deal about the stars of the movie speaking and who the heck is Kim Burrell. Now I know.

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Reply #2 posted 01/04/17 4:07pm

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I'm not trying to be a smartass, but who is Kim Burrell?!?

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Reply #3 posted 01/04/17 4:13pm

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Ok, nevermind. I had to research the answers for myself. Kim Burrell is a contemporary gospel artist


Right there is a fair warning that she may have some religion AND political views that would not sit well with non-heterosexuals at all. The only thing I'm surprise about is the fact that some non-heterosexuals are so surprise.

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Reply #4 posted 01/04/17 4:28pm

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She was happy to receive a check from being a feature on Frank Ocean's album lol

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Sounds like hollywood politics. Since she's on the soundtrack they need to do a disclaimer like they do on tv. "The views express by xyz are not shared by efg..." Reasonable. She knows the world she's trying to be a part of so either she'll learn or she won't.

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The all black congregation she was preaching to didn't seem to have a problem with what she was saying. In fact, I've heard sermons such as this in many black churches. It's nothing new.
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Tamar Braxton Speaks On Kim Burrell Controversy: “We Need To Show Her Love”

http://www.vibe.com/2017/...m-burrell/

Tamar Braxton shared her thoughts on Kim Burrell after an anti-gay sermon found the gospel star being ridiculed online and dropped from an appearance on The Ellen Degeneres Show. Although Braxton made it clear that she doesn’t agree with Burrell calling gay people “perverted” during a sermon last week, the R&B singer offered an apparent unpopular view on Instagram Tuesday (Jan. 3).

“I’m only saying something because TMZ asked me about it this morning,” Braxton explained. “Here is the thing…While I DO NOT agree on ANY level about what Kim said nor feels …most of ya’ll are nailing her to the cross meanwhile most of ya’ll voted for Trump! PLEASE have several [seats]. Ya’ll ripping her to shreds for what she has been taught in church (hell most of us [have]).

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“But thank GOD he’s opened most of our eyes of what was taught and believed back in the day so traditionally that’s what they continue to preach to our generation!!!!” she wrote. “There has been MANY of services that I have attended where it’s been crazy talk of such!! (and you have too) especially in the black churches!!!”

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Yolanda Adams Blasts Kim Burrell, Defends Eddie Long

The backlash for gospel artist and pastor Kim Burrell continues. Gospel artist Yolanda Adams is defending Bishop Eddie Long and gay people on social media. While she didn’t call out Burrell by name, Adams did take to Instagram, writing:

As a Person who has Gay Relatives and Friends, I had to put these Words in the Atmosphere to combat the unwarranted and unproven attack on My Friend #BishopLong.
Hateful Words are never profitable to the Cause of Christ in the World. Jesus said “They will know you by your Love.” LOVE YALL


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Tamar Braxton Speaks On Kim Burrell Controversy: “We Need To Show Her Love”

http://www.vibe.com/2017/...m-burrell/

Tamar Braxton shared her thoughts on Kim Burrell after an anti-gay sermon found the gospel star being ridiculed online and dropped from an appearance on The Ellen Degeneres Show. Although Braxton made it clear that she doesn’t agree with Burrell calling gay people “perverted” during a sermon last week, the R&B singer offered an apparent unpopular view on Instagram Tuesday (Jan. 3).

“I’m only saying something because TMZ asked me about it this morning,” Braxton explained. “Here is the thing…While I DO NOT agree on ANY level about what Kim said nor feels …most of ya’ll are nailing her to the cross meanwhile most of ya’ll voted for Trump! PLEASE have several [seats]. Ya’ll ripping her to shreds for what she has been taught in church (hell most of us [have]).

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“But thank GOD he’s opened most of our eyes of what was taught and believed back in the day so traditionally that’s what they continue to preach to our generation!!!!” she wrote. “There has been MANY of services that I have attended where it’s been crazy talk of such!! (and you have too) especially in the black churches!!!”



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OldFriends4Sale said:


Tamar Braxton Speaks On Kim Burrell Controversy: “We Need To Show Her Love”



http://www.vibe.com/2017/...m-burrell/



Tamar Braxton shared her thoughts on Kim Burrell after an anti-gay sermon found the gospel star being ridiculed online and dropped from an appearance on The Ellen Degeneres Show. Although Braxton made it clear that she doesn’t agree with Burrell calling gay people “perverted” during a sermon last week, the R&B singer offered an apparent unpopular view on Instagram Tuesday (Jan. 3).


“I’m only saying something because TMZ asked me about it this morning,” Braxton explained. “Here is the thing…While I DO NOT agree on ANY level about what Kim said nor feels …most of ya’ll are nailing her to the cross meanwhile most of ya’ll voted for Trump! PLEASE have several [seats]. Ya’ll ripping her to shreds for what she has been taught in church (hell most of us [have]).


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“But thank GOD he’s opened most of our eyes of what was taught and believed back in the day so traditionally that’s what they continue to preach to our generation!!!!” she wrote. “There has been MANY of services that I have attended where it’s been crazy talk of such!! (and you have too) especially in the black churches!!!”








As I said in my above post, this is nothing new in the black church. This is generally the black churches' position on homosexuality. I don't know why anyone is surprised. Hollywood can't dictate what the black church believes or any other religion. Does the church have to change their belief system because Hollywood, the media, and the gay community wants them to alter their views? Homosexuality actually is in direct conflict with the churches'doctrine.
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Factor1 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Tamar Braxton Speaks On Kim Burrell Controversy: “We Need To Show Her Love”

http://www.vibe.com/2017/...m-burrell/

Tamar Braxton shared her thoughts on Kim Burrell after an anti-gay sermon found the gospel star being ridiculed online and dropped from an appearance on The Ellen Degeneres Show. Although Braxton made it clear that she doesn’t agree with Burrell calling gay people “perverted” during a sermon last week, the R&B singer offered an apparent unpopular view on Instagram Tuesday (Jan. 3).

“I’m only saying something because TMZ asked me about it this morning,” Braxton explained. “Here is the thing…While I DO NOT agree on ANY level about what Kim said nor feels …most of ya’ll are nailing her to the cross meanwhile most of ya’ll voted for Trump! PLEASE have several [seats]. Ya’ll ripping her to shreds for what she has been taught in church (hell most of us [have]).

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“But thank GOD he’s opened most of our eyes of what was taught and believed back in the day so traditionally that’s what they continue to preach to our generation!!!!” she wrote. “There has been MANY of services that I have attended where it’s been crazy talk of such!! (and you have too) especially in the black churches!!!”

As I said in my above post, this is nothing new in the black church. This is generally the black churches' position on homosexuality. I don't know why anyone is surprised. Hollywood can't dictate what the black church believes or any other religion. Does the church have to change their belief system because Hollywood, the media, and the gay community wants them to alter their views? Homosexuality actually is in direct conflict with the churches'doctrine. [Edited 1/4/17 17:32pm]

Did you see the actual 'speach'?

I don't think people are suprised by the belief. I think it is Kim doing music with openly gay Frankie Ocean, and going on Ellen to promote a song...
Also maybe it was the 'Gay in her church were doing to die in 2017' thing

And some other things

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morningsong said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Tamar Braxton Speaks On Kim Burrell Controversy: “We Need To Show Her Love”

http://www.vibe.com/2017/...m-burrell/

Tamar Braxton shared her thoughts on Kim Burrell after an anti-gay sermon found the gospel star being ridiculed online and dropped from an appearance on The Ellen Degeneres Show. Although Braxton made it clear that she doesn’t agree with Burrell calling gay people “perverted” during a sermon last week, the R&B singer offered an apparent unpopular view on Instagram Tuesday (Jan. 3).

“I’m only saying something because TMZ asked me about it this morning,” Braxton explained. “Here is the thing…While I DO NOT agree on ANY level about what Kim said nor feels …most of ya’ll are nailing her to the cross meanwhile most of ya’ll voted for Trump! PLEASE have several [seats]. Ya’ll ripping her to shreds for what she has been taught in church (hell most of us [have]).

.

“But thank GOD he’s opened most of our eyes of what was taught and believed back in the day so traditionally that’s what they continue to preach to our generation!!!!” she wrote. “There has been MANY of services that I have attended where it’s been crazy talk of such!! (and you have too) especially in the black churches!!!”



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Tamar is a C list singer who might think doing this is going to get her more famous?

But what she said was very ignorant. Where did she get that information about people voting from lol

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Black pastor speaking out against the tradition of shunning the LGBT community in light of Kim's homophobia

https://twitter.com/CiCiA...4926910464

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morningsong said:



whistling

Tamar is a C list singer who might think doing this is going to get her more famous?

But what she said was very ignorant. Where did she get that information about people voting from lol




I don't know. I don't think her position on the famous-ness list means much given to how she is connected to the business. She's been to the tupperware and housewarming parties, she's heard enough people talk on their down time to have some clue as to what certain types are really about. Personally, I wouldn't doubt she telling some truth.

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The all black congregation she was preaching to didn't seem to have a problem with what she was saying. In fact, I've heard sermons such as this in many black churches. It's nothing new. [Edited 1/4/17 17:21pm]




From what I've seen it's creating a riff in the black church. Though not dramatic there is a paradigm shift happening, in some places.

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morningsong said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

Tamar is a C list singer who might think doing this is going to get her more famous?

But what she said was very ignorant. Where did she get that information about people voting from lol




I don't know. I don't think her position on the famous-ness list means much given to how she is connected to the business. She's been to the tupperware and housewarming parties, she's heard enough people talk on their down time to have some clue as to what certain types are really about. Personally, I wouldn't doubt she telling some truth.

I doubt Black / Gay people put trump in office. directly or indirectly

I know a lot of white people who did not vote, I know a lot of heterosexual that did not vote

she might be going after the wrong group

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morningsong said:




I don't know. I don't think her position on the famous-ness list means much given to how she is connected to the business. She's been to the tupperware and housewarming parties, she's heard enough people talk on their down time to have some clue as to what certain types are really about. Personally, I wouldn't doubt she telling some truth.

I doubt Black / Gay people put trump in office. directly or indirectly

I know a lot of white people who did not vote, I know a lot of heterosexual that did not vote

she might be going after the wrong group



Maybe. I just feel like too many people were either too quiet or talking out of both sides of their face, and that's not a black, white, gay or straight thing.

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OldFriends4Sale said:



Factor1 said:


OldFriends4Sale said:


Tamar Braxton Speaks On Kim Burrell Controversy: “We Need To Show Her Love”



http://www.vibe.com/2017/...m-burrell/



Tamar Braxton shared her thoughts on Kim Burrell after an anti-gay sermon found the gospel star being ridiculed online and dropped from an appearance on The Ellen Degeneres Show. Although Braxton made it clear that she doesn’t agree with Burrell calling gay people “perverted” during a sermon last week, the R&B singer offered an apparent unpopular view on Instagram Tuesday (Jan. 3).


“I’m only saying something because TMZ asked me about it this morning,” Braxton explained. “Here is the thing…While I DO NOT agree on ANY level about what Kim said nor feels …most of ya’ll are nailing her to the cross meanwhile most of ya’ll voted for Trump! PLEASE have several [seats]. Ya’ll ripping her to shreds for what she has been taught in church (hell most of us [have]).


.


“But thank GOD he’s opened most of our eyes of what was taught and believed back in the day so traditionally that’s what they continue to preach to our generation!!!!” she wrote. “There has been MANY of services that I have attended where it’s been crazy talk of such!! (and you have too) especially in the black churches!!!”








As I said in my above post, this is nothing new in the black church. This is generally the black churches' position on homosexuality. I don't know why anyone is surprised. Hollywood can't dictate what the black church believes or any other religion. Does the church have to change their belief system because Hollywood, the media, and the gay community wants them to alter their views? Homosexuality actually is in direct conflict with the churches'doctrine. [Edited 1/4/17 17:32pm]


Did you see the actual 'speach'?

I don't think people are suprised by the belief. I think it is Kim doing music with openly gay Frankie Ocean, and going on Ellen to promote a song...
Also maybe it was the 'Gay in her church were doing to die in 2017' thing


And some other things





I did and it was over the top in terms of her rhetoric, but doesn't change the fundamental belief of the black church or a lot of churches for that matter. I wouldn't describe so much as having a phobia either. I think that terms gets misused a lot. They don't fear homosexuals. They just believe that homosexuality is against man's nature. That belief is not going to change and I'm not sure that we should expect it to change.
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Factor1 said:

The all black congregation she was preaching to didn't seem to have a problem with what she was saying. In fact, I've heard sermons such as this in many black churches. It's nothing new. [Edited 1/4/17 17:21pm]


Of course they didn't have issues with Kim's sermon. Most black conservatives NEVER have issues with bashing non-heterosexual. And yet, I bet most of those same black churches have some gay/bi/lesbian members within the church choirs. rolleyes Don't be surprise how often the choir directors are gay/bi men! lol

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She was happy to receive a check from being a feature on Frank Ocean's album lol


Frank is consider "OK" because he is actually bisexual and can still make babies with a black woman from the church! lol wink

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purpleemotions said:

She was happy to receive a check from being a feature on Frank Ocean's album lol


Frank is consider "OK" because he is actually bisexual and can still make babies with a black woman from the church! lol wink

Lol then at night when the kids are asleep he can go out on the DL

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Yolanda Adams Blasts Kim Burrell, Defends Eddie Long

The backlash for gospel artist and pastor Kim Burrell continues. Gospel artist Yolanda Adams is defending Bishop Eddie Long and gay people on social media. While she didn’t call out Burrell by name, Adams did take to Instagram, writing:

As a Person who has Gay Relatives and Friends, I had to put these Words in the Atmosphere to combat the unwarranted and unproven attack on My Friend #BishopLong.
Hateful Words are never profitable to the Cause of Christ in the World. Jesus said “They will know you by your Love.” LOVE YALL



Although I co-sign what Yolanda is saying about some black folks that voted for Donald Trump, a man who agrees with white supremacy via his association with the Alt-Right, I can NOT co-sign with Yolanda defending Eddie Long.

Excuse me, but Eddie Long is the same MFer that not only cheated on his then-wife, but he was having sexual relationships [pederasty-style] with 5 underage teenage boys. Why Eddie Long is not in jail like Jerry Sandusky is beyond me.

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purpleemotions said:

TonyVanDam said:


Frank is consider "OK" because he is actually bisexual and can still make babies with a black woman from the church! lol wink

Lol then at night when the kids are asleep he can go out on the DL


Pretty much.

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TonyVanDam said:

Factor1 said:

The all black congregation she was preaching to didn't seem to have a problem with what she was saying. In fact, I've heard sermons such as this in many black churches. It's nothing new. [Edited 1/4/17 17:21pm]


Of course they didn't have issues with Kim's sermon. Most black conservatives NEVER have issues with bashing non-heterosexual. And yet, I bet most of those same black churches have some gay/bi/lesbian members within the church choirs. rolleyes Don't be surprise how often the choir directors are gay/bi men! lol

As Billy Preston ( gay man himself) once said- "What is the gayest place in America ? A Black church on a Sinday morning" lol

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TonyVanDam said:


Of course they didn't have issues with Kim's sermon. Most black conservatives NEVER have issues with bashing non-heterosexual. And yet, I bet most of those same black churches have some gay/bi/lesbian members within the church choirs. rolleyes Don't be surprise how often the choir directors are gay/bi men! lol

As Billy Preston ( gay man himself) once said- "What is the gayest place in America ? A Black church on a Sinday morning" lol


Exactly. lol nod

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OldFriends4Sale said:

Did you see the actual 'speach'?

I don't think people are suprised by the belief. I think it is Kim doing music with openly gay Frankie Ocean, and going on Ellen to promote a song...
Also maybe it was the 'Gay in her church were doing to die in 2017' thing

And some other things

I did and it was over the top in terms of her rhetoric, but doesn't change the fundamental belief of the black church or a lot of churches for that matter. I wouldn't describe so much as having a phobia either. I think that terms gets misused a lot. They don't fear homosexuals. They just believe that homosexuality is against man's nature. That belief is not going to change and I'm not sure that we should expect it to change.

it is based in a fear, and ignorance

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the rhetoric used to hype it up is definately based in fear: from gay men being child molestors, the gay agenda to pervert and convert, it destroys nations etc

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Ever notice how nothing in the scriptures excep for 1 thing Paul said, ever condemned anything close to female homosexuality? Never mentioned anywhere before or after Romans.

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Also the whole Leviticus verse is plainly in connection to Temple prostitutes ie Sodomites, but people have now inserted the word homosexual(male) in place of what it was talking about.

What's the matter with your life
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OldFriends4Sale said:



Factor1 said:


OldFriends4Sale said:



Did you see the actual 'speach'?

I don't think people are suprised by the belief. I think it is Kim doing music with openly gay Frankie Ocean, and going on Ellen to promote a song...
Also maybe it was the 'Gay in her church were doing to die in 2017' thing


And some other things





I did and it was over the top in terms of her rhetoric, but doesn't change the fundamental belief of the black church or a lot of churches for that matter. I wouldn't describe so much as having a phobia either. I think that terms gets misused a lot. They don't fear homosexuals. They just believe that homosexuality is against man's nature. That belief is not going to change and I'm not sure that we should expect it to change.



it is based in a fear, and ignorance


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the rhetoric used to hype it up is definately based in fear: from gay men being child molestors, the gay agenda to pervert and convert, it destroys nations etc


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Ever notice how nothing in the scriptures excep for 1 thing Paul said, ever condemned anything close to female homosexuality? Never mentioned anywhere before or after Romans.


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Also the whole Leviticus verse is plainly in connection to Temple prostitutes ie Sodomites, but people have now inserted the word homosexual(male) in place of what it was talking about.





Not everyone who doesn't believe in homosexuality has a fear of it. That's absurd. I really don't understand why you expect those in the religious community to condone homosexuality. That's doesn't mean those in the religious community should be hateful in any way towards homosexuals or any other group. The church should welcome all people, but that doesn't mean they have to accept behavior that is contrary to their beliefs. A lot of people have lifestyles that are in direct conflict with church doctorine. Should the church condone all those behaviors to?
[Edited 1/5/17 8:57am]
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Factor1 said:

OldFriends4Sale said:

it is based in a fear, and ignorance

.

the rhetoric used to hype it up is definately based in fear: from gay men being child molestors, the gay agenda to pervert and convert, it destroys nations etc

.

Ever notice how nothing in the scriptures excep for 1 thing Paul said, ever condemned anything close to female homosexuality? Never mentioned anywhere before or after Romans.

.

Also the whole Leviticus verse is plainly in connection to Temple prostitutes ie Sodomites, but people have now inserted the word homosexual(male) in place of what it was talking about.

Not everyone who doesn't believe in homosexuality has a fear of it. That's absurd. I really don't understand why you expect those in the religious community to condone homosexuality. That's doesn't mean those in the religious community should be hateful in any way towards homosexuals or any other group. The church should welcome all people, but that doesn't mean they have to accept behavior that is contrary to their beliefs. A lot of people have lifestyles that are in direct conflict with church doctorine. Should the church condone all those behaviors to? [Edited 1/5/17 8:57am]

That's fine on paper...but in practice that not "condoning" certain things often slips in hatred and bigotry

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OldFriends4Sale said:




it is based in a fear, and ignorance


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the rhetoric used to hype it up is definately based in fear: from gay men being child molestors, the gay agenda to pervert and convert, it destroys nations etc


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Ever notice how nothing in the scriptures excep for 1 thing Paul said, ever condemned anything close to female homosexuality? Never mentioned anywhere before or after Romans.


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Also the whole Leviticus verse is plainly in connection to Temple prostitutes ie Sodomites, but people have now inserted the word homosexual(male) in place of what it was talking about.





Not everyone who doesn't believe in homosexuality has a fear of it. That's absurd. I really don't understand why you expect those in the religious community to condone homosexuality. That's doesn't mean those in the religious community should be hateful in any way towards homosexuals or any other group. The church should welcome all people, but that doesn't mean they have to accept behavior that is contrary to their beliefs. A lot of people have lifestyles that are in direct conflict with church doctorine. Should the church condone all those behaviors to? [Edited 1/5/17 8:57am]


That's fine on paper...but in practice that not "condoning" certain things often slips in hatred and bigotry



That is a separate problem and should be addressed. The church shouldn't condone hatred or bigotry towards anyone, but they also shouldn't be expected to change their belief about homosexuality.
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