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A question for everyone... I have had this question in my head since I was a little girl in Catholic grammar school. During the Sermon on the Mount, when Jesus spoke the "beatitudes", Jesus said, "Blessed are the meek ones for they shall inherit the earth". If we to "inherit the earth", why do we go to heaven when we die? If we go to heaven, we dont get the earth. I asked one of the priests this and he couldnt asnwer it.
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More metaphysical bullshit. -------
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BattierBeMyDaddy said: More metaphysical bullshit.
Religion is the opiate of the masses. So the elite want the masses docile, right. Ergo the beatitudes.  I'm sorry did u say something worth listening to? | |
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Kailu said: BattierBeMyDaddy said: More metaphysical bullshit.
Religion is the opiate of the masses. So the elite want the masses docile, right. Ergo the beatitudes. I'm sorry did u say something worth listening to?No, and neither did you.  -------
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BattierBeMyDaddy said: Kailu said: BattierBeMyDaddy said: More metaphysical bullshit.
Religion is the opiate of the masses. So the elite want the masses docile, right. Ergo the beatitudes. I'm sorry did u say something worth listening to?No, and neither did you. Well if the question I asked does not appeal to your liking...u have a choice. Leave the topic or be ignored for the rest of the thread...and I'm not answering for everyone else. Either way your comments would mean nothing to me...and I assume the feeling would be mutual? Like I care anyway. | |
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Kailu said: BattierBeMyDaddy said: Kailu said: BattierBeMyDaddy said: More metaphysical bullshit.
Religion is the opiate of the masses. So the elite want the masses docile, right. Ergo the beatitudes. I'm sorry did u say something worth listening to?No, and neither did you. Well if the question I asked does not appeal to your liking...u have a choice. Leave the topic or be ignored for the rest of the thread...and I'm not answering for everyone else. Either way your comments would mean nothing to me...and I assume the feeling would be mutual? Like I care anyway. Maybe you just need a hug, kailu. By the same token, I have a choice to post, and you have a choice to post a thread that, heh, people have a choice to post on. If you do not wish to receive comments, and are unsatisfied with the responses you get in turn, maybe you should not post. Your comments, in turn, mean nothing to me. And apparently you do care, or you would not waste your time continuing this worthless banter. -------
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Kailu said: I have had this question in my head since I was a little girl in Catholic grammar school. During the Sermon on the Mount, when Jesus spoke the "beatitudes", Jesus said, "Blessed are the meek ones for they shall inherit the earth". If we to "inherit the earth", why do we go to heaven when we die? If we go to heaven, we dont get the earth. I asked one of the priests this and he couldnt asnwer it.
So Im asking everyone this, has anyone actually thought carefully about this like I have? *** Thankyou for starting this thread Kailu. For those interested there are many scriptures regarding humankind living forever on earth in happiness. I'll share a few more with you; 'Evildoers themselves will be cut off ...Just a little while longer, and the wicked one will be no more ...He will not be. But the meek ones themselves will possess the earth'(Psalm 37:9-11) 'The righteous themselves will possess the earth, and they will reside forever upon it'(psalm 37:29) 'God himself will be with mankind. And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away'(Revelation 21:3,4) There are many more, but I just thought I'd contribute those for the moment. | |
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Interesting post, Kailu. Maybe some of the confusion comes from absolutely accepting the notion of heaven as a sort of material location. It follows, who could exist in two real places at once?
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This thread makes about as much sense as believing that all will die so a certain religion can live in paradise/utopia/oz/hawaii or whatever the hell they want to call it...
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dcm said: This thread makes about as much sense as believing that all will die so a certain religion can live in paradise/utopia/oz/hawaii or whatever the hell they want to call it...
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I'm not sure what that means. Perhaps you mean the theories discussed herein don't make sense to you? That's understandable. The thread itself, however, is pretty straightforward -- Kailu asked for Biblical analyses and some of us are offering it. ________________
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It may be worth pointing out that if heaven is supposed to exist eternally on Earth, it poses yet another conflict between science and religion, as the Earth, according to physics, will not always be capable of supporting life. It will spiral into the sun or be blown up by a big asteroid or something (I'm not a physicist, ok, I just know it ain't eternal | |
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tackam said: It may be worth pointing out that if heaven is supposed to exist eternally on Earth, it poses yet another conflict between science and religion, as the Earth, according to physics, will not always be capable of supporting life. It will spiral into the sun or be blown up by a big asteroid or something (I'm not a physicist, ok, I just know it ain't eternal
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JWs claim that their views are in harmony with science, right? At least the basic physical laws? This might be a problem. tackam, might it be possible that in a Terrestrial Paradise, mankind will possess the technology to counter such cataclysm? It's being worked on now (at least in the case of the asteroid collision).  [This message was edited Sun Apr 6 10:41:06 PDT 2003 by Lammastide] ________________
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What exactly is meant by "meek?" Fear is the mind-killer. | |
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Lammastide said: tackam said: It may be worth pointing out that if heaven is supposed to exist eternally on Earth, it poses yet another conflict between science and religion, as the Earth, according to physics, will not always be capable of supporting life. It will spiral into the sun or be blown up by a big asteroid or something (I'm not a physicist, ok, I just know it ain't eternal
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JWs claim that their views are in harmony with science, right? At least the basic physical laws? This might be a problem. tackam, might it be possible that in a Terrestrial Paradise, mankind will possess the technology to counter such cataclysm? It's being worked on now (at least in the case of the asteroid collision).
[This message was edited Sun Apr 6 10:41:06 PDT 2003 by Lammastide] Maybe in the short term, but not for eternity. As I understand it, the universe must either end by stretching out so thin that life can't exist because subatomic particles will be too far apart, or else we'll all end up in a big hot crunch as everything crashes together. Neither scenario bodes well for heaven on Earth. | |
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tackam said: Lammastide said: tackam said: It may be worth pointing out that if heaven is supposed to exist eternally on Earth, it poses yet another conflict between science and religion, as the Earth, according to physics, will not always be capable of supporting life. It will spiral into the sun or be blown up by a big asteroid or something (I'm not a physicist, ok, I just know it ain't eternal
).
JWs claim that their views are in harmony with science, right? At least the basic physical laws? This might be a problem. tackam, might it be possible that in a Terrestrial Paradise, mankind will possess the technology to counter such cataclysm? It's being worked on now (at least in the case of the asteroid collision).
[This message was edited Sun Apr 6 10:41:06 PDT 2003 by Lammastide] Maybe in the short term, but not for eternity. As I understand it, the universe must either end by stretching out so thin that life can't exist because subatomic particles will be too far apart, or else we'll all end up in a big hot crunch as everything crashes together. Neither scenario bodes well for heaven on Earth. Hmm... Well, hopefully heaven's R&D department is at work. ________________
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Thanks Lammastide and Mr 7 for your thoughtful insight on my question. I was hoping to get more people who believe in the Bible to give me their insight on it and to see if they felt the same as me, but I guess I was the only one. | |
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I forgot...thanks Tackam for you input also. | |
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Lammastide said: dcm said: This thread makes about as much sense as believing that all will die so a certain religion can live in paradise/utopia/oz/hawaii or whatever the hell they want to call it...
DCM
I'm not sure what that means. Perhaps you mean the theories discussed herein don't make sense to you? That's understandable. The thread itself, however, is pretty straightforward -- Kailu asked for Biblical analyses and some of us are offering it. I am impressed.  So...how's everybody doing? | |
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Lammastide said: Interesting post, Kailu. Maybe some of the confusion comes from absolutely accepting the notion of heaven as a sort of material location. It follows, who could exist in two real places at once?
Some doctrines teach that heaven is not a location, per se, but a state of being -- total harmony with God. Therewith, it'd be wholly possible for dwellers on this earth to exist in a state of "heaven," so to speak. (NOTE: "The kingdom of God cometh not with observation; neither shall they say, Lo here! or, Lo there! For behold, the kingdom of God is within you." - Luke 17:20-21) Other doctrines, like that of the JWs (and you should get this straight from a JW's mouth to get the proper detail), teach that a broad body of believers in Christ will inherit the earth while a more select few will actually reside and share rule in Heaven with Christ himself. [This message was edited Sun Apr 6 9:26:00 PDT 2003 by Lammastide] Ha ha ...always the journalist! I am impressed. So...how's everybody doing? | |
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tackam said: It may be worth pointing out that if heaven is supposed to exist eternally on Earth, it poses yet another conflict between science and religion, as the Earth, according to physics, will not always be capable of supporting life. It will spiral into the sun or be blown up by a big asteroid or something (I'm not a physicist, ok, I just know it ain't eternal
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JWs claim that their views are in harmony with science, right? At least the basic physical laws? This might be a problem. There is a problem if and only if God did not create the heavens and the earth in the first place. If indeed He did create it, he can certainly maintain it, or do whatever else he chooses to do to sustain life. So...how's everybody doing? | |
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Mr7 stated 'God himself will be with mankind. And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away'(Revelation 21:3,4)
Lammastide stated: "The kingdom of God cometh not with observation; neither shall they say, Lo here! or, Lo there! For behold, the kingdom of God is within you." - Luke 17:20-21
I like these...both gives one a nice feeling within.  
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Kailu said: I forgot...thanks Tackam for you input also.
And Teller, the defintion of meek, according to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary is: enduring injury with patience and without resentment; mild. So I guess we are talking abourt the ones that live with hardships, trials and tribulations with endurance and dignity and hold fast to their belief. So let me see if I understand what you are trying to do here. You are looking at the word "meek" in a modern English dictionary in order to understand a 2000 year old Greek word. And not only that, Jesus' primary language, in all likelihood, was not Greek, but Aramaic/Hebrew. I am not saying that he did not speak Greek, only that his everyday spoken language to the Jews would have been Aramaic/Hebrew (Even the Watchtower publication "Aid to Bible Understanding" agrees on this point). Therefore the meaning of the Aramaic/Hebrew word behind the Greek word would also play a part in its meaning. Without checking these words, in this way you think that you can understand the meaning of the word "meek" as used by Jesus in the NT. Is this correct? This is poor theology, poor exegesis, poor lexical skills. [This message was edited Fri Sep 5 15:19:59 PDT 2003 by 333] "Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows." | |
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Pluv said: Mr7 stated 'God himself will be with mankind. And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away'(Revelation 21:3,4)
Lammastide stated: "The kingdom of God cometh not with observation; neither shall they say, Lo here! or, Lo there! For behold, the kingdom of God is within you." - Luke 17:20-21
I like these...both gives one a nice feeling within. And I like what you said Pluv...it gives me a nice feeling inside. So...how's everybody doing? | |
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Kailu said: Teller, the defintion of meek, according to the Merriam-Webster Dictionary is: enduring injury with patience and without resentment; mild. So I guess we are talking abourt the ones that live with hardships, trials and tribulations with endurance and dignity and hold fast to their belief.
So let me see if I understand what you are trying to do here. You are looking at the word "meek" in a modern English dictionary in order to understand a 2000 year old Greek word. And not only that, Jesus' primary language, in all likelihood, was not Greek, but Aramaic/Hebrew. I am not saying that he did not speak Greek, only that his everyday spoken language to the Jews would have been Aramaic/Hebrew (Even the Watchtower publication "Aid to Bible Understanding" agrees on this point). Therefore the meaning of the Aramaic/Hebrew word behind the Greek word would also play a part in its meaning. Without checking these words, in this way you think that you can understand the meaning of the word "meek" as used by Jesus in the NT. Is this correct? This is poor theology, poor exegesis, poor lexical skills. "Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows." | |
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It says "God will be with Mankind" that sounds like more than one religion to me, especially if you consider there are 6 billion people on the earth.
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SensualMelody said: Lammastide said: Interesting post, Kailu. Maybe some of the confusion comes from absolutely accepting the notion of heaven as a sort of material location. It follows, who could exist in two real places at once?
Some doctrines teach that heaven is not a location, per se, but a state of being -- total harmony with God. Therewith, it'd be wholly possible for dwellers on this earth to exist in a state of "heaven," so to speak. (NOTE: "The kingdom of God cometh not with observation; neither shall they say, Lo here! or, Lo there! For behold, the kingdom of God is within you." - Luke 17:20-21) Other doctrines, like that of the JWs (and you should get this straight from a JW's mouth to get the proper detail), teach that a broad body of believers in Christ will inherit the earth while a more select few will actually reside and share rule in Heaven with Christ himself. [This message was edited Sun Apr 6 9:26:00 PDT 2003 by Lammastide] Ha ha ...always the journalist! I am impressed. I credit you for my better understanding of the Witnesses' teachings. Thanks! ________________
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Oh it's the Meek! Blessed are the meek! Oh that's nice innit. I'm glad they're getting something 'cause they have a hell of a time. | |
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333 said: ...You are looking at the word "meek" in a modern English dictionary in order to understand a 2000 year old Greek word. And not only that, Jesus' primary language, in all likelihood, was not Greek, but Aramaic/Hebrew. In this context; think about translation errors that certainly have been made in the past, when writing & reading wasn't common, let alone the knowledge of foreign languages. That's why this theory ( http://www.carotta.de/pin...ml#english ) makes more sense to me then all the other religion bullshit. If it not already has, science will prove religion wrong. ___________________________________________________________________________________
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Kailu said: I have had this question in my head since I was a little girl in Catholic grammar school. During the Sermon on the Mount, when Jesus spoke the "beatitudes", Jesus said, "Blessed are the meek ones for they shall inherit the earth". If we to "inherit the earth", why do we go to heaven when we die? If we go to heaven, we dont get the earth. I asked one of the priests this and he couldnt asnwer it.
So Im asking everyone this, has anyone actually thought carefully about this like I have? I think we are to "inherit the earth" as in.. We are given the chance to live on this earth and and be buried within this earth. I too was raised catholic and went to catholic school during my childhood. Although i believed a lot of what was preached to me as a child i tend to look a bit deeper now into the meanings of things shown to me as a child. I think earth is given to us almost like a gift.. we utilize the earth to nourish our soul and give it memories and fullfillment. When we die we are put down in the earth (although not all the time) but i think that too in itself is symbolic. I think priests and minister and even the pope would not be able to answer it. I think it is something that you need to conclude on your own. | |
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BorisFishpaw said: Oh it's the Meek! Blessed are the meek! Oh that's nice innit. I'm glad they're getting something 'cause they have a hell of a time.
 You got that right!
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