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Thread started 07/23/16 1:43pm

Pokeno4Money

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Where is the justified outrage from the gay community?



This is a very disturbing story. As if we don't already have enough hatred, anger, divisiveness and animosity in this world - here comes Calum McSwiggan, the 20-teens version of Tawana Brawley/Crystal Mangum.

What exactly did Calum do?

Well, this much we do know to be fact.

1) Police arrested him when he was caught vandalizing a car. He later admitted he vandalized the car, so there is no disputing whether he did or not.

2) Upon his arrest, Calum claimed to have been beaten up by three men outside a gay bar near the car he was vandalizing. He claimed the "assault" caused injuries to his forehead, teeth, etc. One of the men, Calum said, he had voluntarily left the bar with because he was attracted to him.







3) This is his mug shot, which clearly does NOT show any visible injuries


4) Calum was observed by police injuring himself while in his jail cell

5) He later admitted the now-visible injuries were caused by him intentionally hitting himself in his jail cell in order to go to the hospital so he could get out of the jail cell.

6) A few days ago, he had a scheduled court appearance in L.A. which he blew off ... and that same day he tweeted pictures of himself vacationing in Spain.

7) His friends, a couple of whom initially claimed through social media that Calum's story was true, have since deleted all social media references to Calum.

Now I'm not gay, but if I were I'd be PISSED AS HELL at this guy for apparently fabricating a hate crime. THIS is the exact type of bullshit that causes law enforcement to be skeptical when crimes are reported. THIS is the exact type of bullshit that builds resentment and anger against the group of people whom the liar represents. THIS is the classic boy-who-cried-wolf bullshit that puts every other gay man in danger of not being believed when THEY have a real hate crime to report.

After all is said and done, this guy will probably not have to serve more than a month in prison. But more importantly, this guy has inflicted irreparable damage to the very same gay community that has made him "famous" and wealthy.

So I ask again, where's the outrage?

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Reply #1 posted 07/23/16 2:02pm

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there are several of examples of people making up all sorts of abuse and slurs that were just made up for attention.

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Reply #2 posted 07/23/16 2:20pm

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who cares?

one idiot ruins his own reputation. it doesnt reflect on any other gay person alive or dead, just him and his stupidity.

why would we be outraged?


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Reply #3 posted 07/23/16 2:35pm

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cborgman said:

who cares?

one idiot ruins his own reputation. it doesnt reflect on any other gay person alive or dead, just him and his stupidity.

why would we be outraged?


Well apparently you didn't read what I wrote in my OP, as I explained why. confused

I'll put it another way ...

This guy made it harder for real victims of real hate crimes to be believed and taken seriously. It's a credibility thang.

No different than bad cops who make it a lot worse for the good cops.

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Reply #4 posted 07/23/16 2:39pm

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i mean, look at it this way;


there is a news story this morning about an upstate NY woman who disappeared for 2 weeks, and when she reappeared, she claimed a man abducted her, held her in a wood shed, and assaulted her during her absence. she cost the county 100s of 1000s of dollars looking for the man who had done this, only to find out she made it up.

if you logged into the org today, and there was a thread about it from me titled "where is the justified outrage from the heterosexual community", wouldnt you think it was a bit odd? why would this be on anyone but her, and why would him doing virtually the same be on anyone but him?


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Reply #5 posted 07/23/16 2:43pm

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Pokeno4Money said:

cborgman said:

who cares?

one idiot ruins his own reputation. it doesnt reflect on any other gay person alive or dead, just him and his stupidity.

why would we be outraged?


Well apparently you didn't read what I wrote in my OP, as I explained why. confused

I'll put it another way ...

This guy made it harder for real victims of real hate crimes to be believed and taken seriously. It's a credibility thang.

No different than bad cops who make it a lot worse for the good cops.

well, if you must have some kind of outrage, heres what i can muster:

hes an idiot. theres always been them in every group. i hope he's convicted of fraud, vandalism, and whatever other applicable crimes.

but i doubt hes going to cause real victims to not be believed any more than crystal magnum, ruby bates and victoria price, or the NY woman today have caused people to not believe actual rape victims.






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Reply #6 posted 07/23/16 3:03pm

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if you need more outrage, youre gonna have to let me know what is an acceptable level. are we supposed to surround his apartment and hold demonstrations against him? i kinda figured him destroying his reputation and criminal charges were enough, but... you tell me what is enough, and ill see what i can do to make it happen.



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Reply #7 posted 07/23/16 3:20pm

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cborgman said:

if you need more outrage, youre gonna have to let me know what is an accaeptable level. are we supposed to surround his apartment and hold demonstrations against him? i kinda figured him destroying his reputation and criminal charges were enough, but... you tell me what is enough.

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Reply #8 posted 07/23/16 4:09pm

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cborgman said:

i mean, look at it this way;


there is a news story this morning about an upstate NY woman who disappeared for 2 weeks, and when she reappeared, she claimed a man abducted her, held her in a wood shed, and assaulted her during her absence. she cost the county 100s of 1000s of dollars looking for the man who had done this, only to find out she made it up.

if you logged into the org today, and there was a thread about it from me titled "where is the justified outrage from the heterosexual community", wouldnt you think it was a bit odd? why would this be on anyone but her, and why would him doing virtually the same be on anyone but him?


Because in her case, her accusations didn't involve a hate crime as she didn't accuse anyone based on sexuality, color or religion. I'm not familiar with her story, so if I'm wrong please let me know.

But I do think ALL people who lie to the police about false crimes should be put away for a long time, she is no different.

"Jussie Smollett wanted to become the Rosa Parks of Gay Black Men, but instead he became the Rosie Ruiz."

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Reply #9 posted 07/23/16 4:13pm

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cborgman said:

Pokeno4Money said:


Well apparently you didn't read what I wrote in my OP, as I explained why. confused

I'll put it another way ...

This guy made it harder for real victims of real hate crimes to be believed and taken seriously. It's a credibility thang.

No different than bad cops who make it a lot worse for the good cops.

well, if you must have some kind of outrage, heres what i can muster:

hes an idiot. theres always been them in every group. i hope he's convicted of fraud, vandalism, and whatever other applicable crimes.

but i doubt hes going to cause real victims to not be believed any more than crystal magnum, ruby bates and victoria price, or the NY woman today have caused people to not believe actual rape victims.


Okay I'll take what I can get, thank you.

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Reply #10 posted 07/23/16 4:15pm

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cborgman said:

if you need more outrage, youre gonna have to let me know what is an acceptable level. are we supposed to surround his apartment and hold demonstrations against him? i kinda figured him destroying his reputation and criminal charges were enough, but... you tell me what is enough, and ill see what i can do to make it happen.


He's British, so I don't know how much you personally can do. LOL


My hope is at the very least he loses his following and "fame".

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Reply #11 posted 07/23/16 4:17pm

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Pokeno4Money said:

cborgman said:

i mean, look at it this way;


there is a news story this morning about an upstate NY woman who disappeared for 2 weeks, and when she reappeared, she claimed a man abducted her, held her in a wood shed, and assaulted her during her absence. she cost the county 100s of 1000s of dollars looking for the man who had done this, only to find out she made it up.

if you logged into the org today, and there was a thread about it from me titled "where is the justified outrage from the heterosexual community", wouldnt you think it was a bit odd? why would this be on anyone but her, and why would him doing virtually the same be on anyone but him?


Because in her case, her accusations didn't involve a hate crime as she didn't accuse anyone based on sexuality, color or religion. I'm not familiar with her story, so if I'm wrong please let me know.

But I do think ALL people who lie to the police about false crimes should be put away for a long time, she is no different.

i agree, and as i stated before, i hope he is convicted.

but again; what is a level of outrage that will make you content? i dont understand what you are trying to accomplish with this thread. are you saying we should take to the streets against this moron? are you trying to make a point that the gay community arent doing enough to stop idiots like him? this annoyance seems really misplaced from the idiot it should be on and onto people who are in no way responsible for his actions.


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Reply #12 posted 07/23/16 4:21pm

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by the way, if you would like something gay-related to be outraged over, i highly suggest reading the GOP's extremely anti-gay platform that was released monday. it's their worst yet, and i've not heard a peep about it on the org.


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Reply #13 posted 07/23/16 4:23pm

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Pokeno4Money said:

cborgman said:

if you need more outrage, youre gonna have to let me know what is an acceptable level. are we supposed to surround his apartment and hold demonstrations against him? i kinda figured him destroying his reputation and criminal charges were enough, but... you tell me what is enough, and ill see what i can do to make it happen.


He's British, so I don't know how much you personally can do. LOL


My hope is at the very least he loses his following and "fame".

i had no idea who he was before he pulled the shit he did.

and if there is one thing thats easily seen nowdays, its that people will be famous and have followings no matter how horrid they are as people, and how undeserving the fame.

we're in the middle of the warhol 15 minute era to the point that we as americans have a reality tv star with no experience as one of the 2 candidates for president.

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