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Thread started 02/27/16 4:54pm

free2bfreeda

Ku Klux Klan rally in Anaheim erupts in violence; three stabbed

Los Angeles Times 2 hours 12 minutes ago - circa 2:30PM

: http://www.latimes.com/lo...story.html

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Ku Klux Klan rally in Anaheim erupts in violence; three stabbed, 13 arrested

Three people were stabbed, including one who was critically wounded, and 13 were arrested when a Ku Klux Klan rally in Anaheim erupted in violence Saturday, police said.

A small group of people representing the Klan had announced that it would hold a rally at Pearson Park at 1:30 p.m., police said. By 11 a.m., several dozen protesters showed up at the park to confront the Klan.

About an hour later, several men in black garb with Confederate flag patches arrived and were escorted by police around the edge of the park.

Violence erupted and some of the protesters could be seen kicking a man whose shirt read "Grand Dragon." At some point, a protester collapsed on the ground bleeding, crying that he had been stabbed.

A Klansman in handcuffs could be heard telling a police officer that he "stabbed him in self-defense." Several other people were also handcuffed.

Witnesses said the Klansmen used the point of a flagpole as a weapon while fighting with protesters.

Two other people were stabbed during the melee, said Sgt. Daron Wyatt of the Anaheim Police Department. One of those was a protester but the identity of the other victim was not clear.

Two Klansmen and three protesters were arrested following the fracas, Wyatt said.

Kobe Sato, 18, of Anaheim said a crowd swarmed the KKK members when they arrived at the park and began to display Confederate flags.

Brian Levin, director of CSU San Bernardino's Center for the Study of Hate and Extremism, said he was standing next to the man in the Grand Dragon shirt when a crowd of protesters carrying weapons swarmed the Klansmen.

A brawl broke out and one of the Klansmen was knocked to the ground and kicked. Levin said he later saw the man's arm bleeding.

Levin said he pushed the Klan leader away as the violence continued and a protester was stabbed.

Levin said he asked the man, "How do you feel that a Jewish guy just saved your life?"

"Thank you," the man replied, according to Levin.

A large crowd gathered at the park, with many demanding to know why Anaheim police did not have a larger presence at the scene before the violence broke out.

Levin was also critical of the lack of police presence prior to the melee.

"There were no police officers here when this started happening," Levin said.

The Klan has a long and troubling history with the city. Klansmen were once the dominant political force in Anaheim, holding four of five City Council seats before a recall effort led to their ouster in 1924.

At the height of the group's power in Orange County, nearly 300 Klansmen lived in Anaheim, patrolling city streets in robes and masks. A large KKK rally once attracted 20,000 people to the city.

KKK activity nationwide has decreased dramatically in recent decades, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which estimated the group has between 5,000 and 8,000 members across the country.

The group's activities have been sporadic in Southern California in recent years. Last summer, at least 100 residents of Whittier and Fullerton awoke to find packets containing KKK fliers, rife with racist rhetoric, and candy in their driveways. A Santa Ana neighborhood was also blanketed with KKK fliers on Martin Luther King Jr. Daylast year, police said.

An eight-foot cross was burned outside the home of a black man in Anaheim Hills in 2003, and the FBI investigated the case as a hate crime, but police did not specifically link that case to the KKK.

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eek

this is our country 2016. this sickos are nothing more than the neo kiggers.


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Reply #1 posted 02/27/16 5:56pm

cborgman

disbelief


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Reply #2 posted 02/27/16 6:20pm

BobGeorge909

No wonder I always heard it refered to as Klanaheim....

I always figured it was bullshit... But according to the article,bthay have a rich history there.
[Edited 2/27/16 18:22pm]
Reply #3 posted 02/27/16 6:48pm

DiminutiveRocker

BobGeorge909 said:

No wonder I always heard it refered to as Klanaheim.... I always figured it was bullshit... But according to the article,bthay have a rich history there. [Edited 2/27/16 18:22pm]



The OC... ugh. This is tragic. neutral

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Reply #4 posted 02/27/16 6:51pm

lazycrockett

You know Im not going to feel to bad bout a bunch of KKK members whos get the crap kicked out of them by protesters. Sorry no feelz here.

[Edited 2/27/16 18:52pm]

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Reply #5 posted 02/27/16 6:54pm

free2bfreeda

what trips me out is that this is happening in california. i mean i heard that there were klavens in this state, but i never really let the fact sink in until now.

this is bad. especially during a very political year.

“Transracial is a term that has long since been defined as the adoption of a child that is of a different race than the adoptive parents,” : https://thinkprogress.org...fb6e18544a
Reply #6 posted 02/27/16 7:00pm

UncleJam

They're here in San Diego too...mainly in the North County (Fallbrook) and East County (Santee, locally known as 'Klantee'); havent heard much 'organized' noise from them, but I'm going to pay attention and see if these devils are getting bold all over...

Make it so, Number One...
Reply #7 posted 02/27/16 7:05pm

lazycrockett

Well this is what happens when someone starts preaching bout "Making Murica Great Again".

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Reply #8 posted 02/27/16 8:57pm

DiminutiveRocker

free2bfreeda said:

what trips me out is that this is happening in california. i mean i heard that there were klavens in this state, but i never really let the fact sink in until now.

this is bad. especially during a very political year.



There are pockets of weirdness in California. Orange County - south of Los Angeles - can be pretty conservative and exteme. Wouldn;t be surpirsed if these groups were Trump supporters.

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Reply #9 posted 02/28/16 1:26am

2elijah

No surprise. They've been waiting in the wind for someone like-minded as trump, to give them a reason to come out and preach their insecurities. Lol. Dumbasses. I have no pity for them.
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Reply #10 posted 02/28/16 1:28am

2elijah

No surprise. Those ignorant idiots have been waiting in the wind for someone like-minded as trump, to give them a reason to come out and preach their insecurities.They are a bunch of ignorant idiots being used by their own, to promote a lie that bamboozled them. Lol.
[Edited 2/28/16 9:00am]
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Reply #11 posted 02/28/16 3:05am

cborgman

lazycrockett said:

Well this is what happens when someone starts preaching bout "Making Murica Great Again".

THAT, following 7 years of "TAKE OUR COUNTRY BACK!"


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Reply #12 posted 02/28/16 10:54am

luv4u

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lazycrockett said:

You know Im not going to feel to bad bout a bunch of KKK members whos get the crap kicked out of them by protesters. Sorry no feelz here.

[Edited 2/27/16 18:52pm]


Same here. I have no sympathy for the kkk.

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Reply #13 posted 02/28/16 11:06am

2freaky4church1

Planned Parenthood is much worse. Ask Trump.

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Reply #14 posted 02/28/16 3:01pm

DarlingDiana

lazycrockett said:

Well this is what happens when someone starts preaching bout "Making Murica Great Again".



You're disgusting. To blame this on Trump is low. The media has been despicable in their conduct regarding Trump and the KKK. First a photo surfaced of two clearly black guys in KKK costumes holding Trump signs and that got reported as KKK members supporting Trump. Then a guy showed up at a Trump rally with a shirt that said KKK, clearly a protestor, and that got reported. Then David Duke endorses him, Trump disavows the endorsement, and the media reports "Trump refuses to disavow KKK endorsement." After he disavowed it. The media is playing dirty tricks and you are falling for them.
Reply #15 posted 02/28/16 3:20pm

2elijah

Yep trump brought these ignorant idiots out, along with the hate groups that see him as their last great white hope. He has never denounced these hate groups, but seemed pissed that he had to publically disavow the endorsement of a hatemongering, knucklehead white supremacist.
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Reply #16 posted 02/28/16 3:42pm

Horsefeathers

Disavowed or not, his claim to be unfamiliar with Duke seems rather disingenuous.

http://gawker.com/donald-trump-says-he-knows-nothing-about-the-kkk-leader-1761794062


Mr. Trump painted a fairly dark picture of the Reform Party in his statement, noting the role of Mr. Buchanan, along with the roles of David Duke, a former leader of the Ku Klux Klan, and Lenora Fulani, the former standard-bearer of the New Alliance Party and an advocate of Marxist-Leninist politics.

"The Reform Party now includes a Klansman, Mr. Duke, a neo-Nazi, Mr. Buchanan, and a communist, Ms. Fulani," he said in his statement. "This is not company I wish to keep."


In 2000:

http://partners.nytimes.com/library/politics/camp/021400wh-ref-trump.html
Murica: at least it's not Sudan.
Reply #17 posted 02/28/16 3:46pm

DarlingDiana

Horsefeathers said:

Disavowed or not, his claim to be unfamiliar with Duke seems rather disingenuous.

http://gawker.com/donald-trump-says-he-knows-nothing-about-the-kkk-leader-1761794062


Mr. Trump painted a fairly dark picture of the Reform Party in his statement, noting the role of Mr. Buchanan, along with the roles of David Duke, a former leader of the Ku Klux Klan, and Lenora Fulani, the former standard-bearer of the New Alliance Party and an advocate of Marxist-Leninist politics.

"The Reform Party now includes a Klansman, Mr. Duke, a neo-Nazi, Mr. Buchanan, and a communist, Ms. Fulani," he said in his statement. "This is not company I wish to keep."


In 2000:

http://partners.nytimes.com/library/politics/camp/021400wh-ref-trump.html


Oh yeah. Strategically you don't want to have to denounce and reject unsavoury supporters because that means admitting you have unsavoury supporters. So I get why Trump in that interview kinda danced around it. But he did disavow him and the media keeps reporting that he refuses to disavow him. That's just simply inaccurate. That's disingenuous.
Reply #18 posted 02/28/16 3:53pm

Horsefeathers

I don't think disingenuousness among entities is necessarily mutually exclusive.
Murica: at least it's not Sudan.
Reply #19 posted 02/28/16 5:50pm

214

Which ones were the stabbed, kkk members?

Reply #20 posted 02/28/16 7:01pm

lazycrockett

1 kkk asshat got stabbed the other 2 were protesters. Feel back for the protesters getting hurt.

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Reply #21 posted 02/28/16 7:08pm

13cjk13

lazycrockett said:

Well this is what happens when someone starts preaching bout "Making Murica Great Again".

Righ fucking on. Fuck Trump.

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Reply #22 posted 02/29/16 12:25am

TRUECRISTIAN

13cjk13 said:

lazycrockett said:

Well this is what happens when someone starts preaching bout "Making Murica Great Again".

Righ fucking on. Fuck Trump.

Reply #23 posted 02/29/16 3:01am

DarlingDiana

Sanders is saying on Teitter that Trump refuses to disown the KKK. Lying piece of shit. Lost all respect. Typical politician.
Reply #24 posted 02/29/16 3:46am

2elijah

13cjk13 said:

 



lazycrockett said:


Well this is what happens when someone starts preaching bout "Making Murica Great Again".



Righ fucking on. Fuck Trump.


Yep. He seemed pissed off that he had to disavow the David duke endorsement, but that was a bs disavowing. One could see from his expression that he wasn't genuine about it at all. Lol. He's a piece of shit. What's funny is the media used his sass for ratings and they already knew he didn't like them, but now they are doing what they should have been doing, by exposing his racist ass and exposing all the ignorant, ass hate groups, living in their own lies about some fake ass white supremacy beliefs. It's clear those dopes are in fear of the progress of non-whites in America.
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Reply #25 posted 02/29/16 5:09am

Horsefeathers

Sincere question-- has Trump disavowed elsewhere besides the, "ok, whatever, yeah, I disavow. *eyeroll*shrug*" version? Because as much as I like to give benefit of the doubt, and I do, it is really hard to take that sincerely and understand the vehement defense of it.
Murica: at least it's not Sudan.
Reply #26 posted 02/29/16 6:47am

RodeoSchro

2freaky4church1 said:

Planned Parenthood is much worse. Ask Trump.



Trump is the only GOP candidate that has expressed any support at all for Planned Parenthood. In fact, he said Thursday that he supports everything Planned Parenthood does except for the abortion services it provides. He did say that because of its abortion services that he was in favor of not funding Planned Parenthood with government money, but if you believe Planned Parenthood's breakdown of its services, Trump supports 97% of what it does.

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Reply #27 posted 02/29/16 6:49am

RodeoSchro

Horsefeathers said:

Sincere question-- has Trump disavowed elsewhere besides the, "ok, whatever, yeah, I disavow. *eyeroll*shrug*" version? Because as much as I like to give benefit of the doubt, and I do, it is really hard to take that sincerely and understand the vehement defense of it.



He disavowed David Duke on Friday. For some reason, CNN did not know that when they interviewed him. He disavowed Duke again today about 25 times.

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Reply #28 posted 02/29/16 7:40am

Horsefeathers

So Friday was the shruggy, eyerolly meh whatever disavowment, and today he is coming out strong against?
Murica: at least it's not Sudan.
Reply #29 posted 02/29/16 7:51am

free2bfreeda

donald is flipping the script as he feigns knowledge of the kkk. now imo he has coined a new title to his name. "lying brother *ucker!"

“Transracial is a term that has long since been defined as the adoption of a child that is of a different race than the adoptive parents,” : https://thinkprogress.org...fb6e18544a
Reply #30 posted 02/29/16 7:55am

RodeoSchro

Horsefeathers said:

So Friday was the shruggy, eyerolly meh whatever disavowment, and today he is coming out strong against?


I guess he was surprised at how big this became, since he'd already disavowed Duke on Friday when Tapper asked him that question this weekend. He (Trump) said CNN was at the press conference where Trump disavowed Duke, so I'd guess bringing up Duke later caught him off-guard.

But it also explains why Trump focused on the "groups" part of Tapper's question rather than David Duke. He may have been thinking "The Duke thing is moot, I already disavowed that guy Friday. So what are these groups he's talking about?"

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Reply #31 posted 02/29/16 8:00am

RodeoSchro

free2bfreeda said:

donald is flipping the script as he feigns knowledge of the kkk. now imo he has coined a new title to his name. "lying brother *ucker!"



Trump had slready disavowed Duke on Friday. and did so again about 100 times today.

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Reply #32 posted 02/29/16 8:03am

lazycrockett

Now Drumpf is protesting that his ear piece wasn't working and he didn't understand Tapper's question on loving the KKK. SMH

[Edited 2/29/16 8:03am]

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Reply #33 posted 02/29/16 8:26am

RodeoSchro

lazycrockett said:

Now Drumpf is protesting that his ear piece wasn't working and he didn't understand Tapper's question on loving the KKK. SMH

[Edited 2/29/16 8:03am]



Yeah, that's a bad move.

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Reply #34 posted 02/29/16 8:38am

free2bfreeda

RodeoSchro said:

free2bfreeda said:

donald is flipping the script as he feigns knowledge of the kkk. now imo he has coined a new title to his name. "lying brother *ucker!"



Trump had slready disavowed Duke on Friday. and did so again about 100 times today.

so like i said, "he is flipping the script" right in front of america and the world.

no matter what he says at this point, he's still a "lying brother *ucker."

seems he's got your vote though.

am i right that he does? go ahead admit it------don't be shamed.

your move man.

[Edited 2/29/16 8:44am]

“Transracial is a term that has long since been defined as the adoption of a child that is of a different race than the adoptive parents,” : https://thinkprogress.org...fb6e18544a
Reply #35 posted 02/29/16 8:41am

lazycrockett

enjoy

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Reply #36 posted 02/29/16 8:42am

deebee

RodeoSchro said:

free2bfreeda said:

donald is flipping the script as he feigns knowledge of the kkk. now imo he has coined a new title to his name. "lying brother *ucker!"



Trump had slready disavowed Duke on Friday. and did so again about 100 times today.

If it were me, I wouldn't care how many times I was asked, and I wouldn't be quibbling over this or that group, particularly if the other person named Duke and the KKK. I'd simply say, "I disavow all white supremacist groups unequivocally - starting with, but not limited to, David Duke and the KKK." Wouldn't you? Whatever would be the advantage of not clearing away every last shadow of doubt hanging in the air?

"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
Reply #37 posted 02/29/16 8:44am

RodeoSchro

free2bfreeda said:

RodeoSchro said:



Trump had slready disavowed Duke on Friday. and did so again about 100 times today.

so like i said, "he is flipping the script" right in front of america and the world.

no matter what he says at this point, he's still a "lying brother *ucker."

seems he's got your vote though.

am i right that he does? go ahead admit it------don't be shamed.



He does have my vote - tomorrow. Can you guess why?

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Reply #38 posted 02/29/16 8:45am

RodeoSchro

deebee said:

RodeoSchro said:



Trump had slready disavowed Duke on Friday. and did so again about 100 times today.

If it were me, I wouldn't care how many times I was asked, and I wouldn't be quibbling over this or that group, particularly if the other person named Duke and the KKK. I'd simply say, "I disavow all white supremacist groups unequivocally - starting with, but not limited to, David Duke and the KKK." Wouldn't you? Whatever would be the advantage of not clearing away every last shadow of doubt hanging in the air?



I agree.

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Reply #39 posted 02/29/16 8:49am

deebee

RodeoSchro said:

deebee said:

If it were me, I wouldn't care how many times I was asked, and I wouldn't be quibbling over this or that group, particularly if the other person named Duke and the KKK. I'd simply say, "I disavow all white supremacist groups unequivocally - starting with, but not limited to, David Duke and the KKK." Wouldn't you? Whatever would be the advantage of not clearing away every last shadow of doubt hanging in the air?



I agree.

Amazing that didn't come to his mind, though.... Still, he's the candidate to help beat the bigots, or so I've heard. Happy rootin-tootin'-votin' tomorrow!

"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
Reply #40 posted 02/29/16 8:51am

free2bfreeda

RodeoSchro said:

free2bfreeda said:

so like i said, "he is flipping the script" right in front of america and the world.

no matter what he says at this point, he's still a "lying brother *ucker."

seems he's got your vote though.

am i right that he does? go ahead admit it------don't be shamed.



He does have my vote - tomorrow. Can you guess why?

what now, you playing some sort of guessing game? state your answer 2 ur own question.

“Transracial is a term that has long since been defined as the adoption of a child that is of a different race than the adoptive parents,” : https://thinkprogress.org...fb6e18544a
Reply #41 posted 02/29/16 8:52am

RodeoSchro

free2bfreeda said:

RodeoSchro said:



He does have my vote - tomorrow. Can you guess why?

what now, you playing some sort of guessing game? state your answer 2 ur own question.



I answered your question. Now, it's your turn to answer mine. Or are YOU playing games? biggrin

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Reply #42 posted 02/29/16 8:59am

free2bfreeda

RodeoSchro said:

free2bfreeda said:

what now, you playing some sort of guessing game? state your answer 2 ur own question.



I answered your question. Now, it's your turn to answer mine. Or are YOU playing games? biggrin

RodeoSchro said:



He does have my vote - tomorrow. Can you guess why?

still waiting for your answer rolleyes WHY?

“Transracial is a term that has long since been defined as the adoption of a child that is of a different race than the adoptive parents,” : https://thinkprogress.org...fb6e18544a
Reply #43 posted 02/29/16 9:10am

RodeoSchro

free2bfreeda said:

RodeoSchro said:

RodeoSchro said:



He does have my vote - tomorrow. Can you guess why?

still waiting for your answer rolleyes WHY?



There you go! See, that wasn't so hard, was it? (HINT: You don't have to answer that question!)

I will most likely vote for Trump in the Texas primary because Trump is the only candidate that can beat alleged Senator Rafael Cruz in the Texas primary. And I agree with former Labor Secretary Robert Reich 0 alleged Senator Rafael Cruz would be FAR more dangerous to our country than Donald Trump ever could be.

If alleged Senator Rafael Cruz wins Texas tomorrow, there's a small chance that could eventually propel him to the GOP nomination - either through winning primaries, or through convincing a brokered convention that he's the guy who beat Trump in some primaries so he should be the GOP candidate.

Let me be perfectly clear - I think alleged Senator Rafael Cruz is evil.

Let me again be perfectly clear - I think alleged Senator Rafael Cruz could beat Hillary Clinton, either by hook or certainly by crook. But I don't think Donald Trump could.

Therefore, it is the patriotic duty of like-minded Texans to vote against alleged Senator Rafael Cruz tomorrow, and the most beneficial thing would be to vote FOR the next-highest-polling candidate.

That would be Donald Trump.

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Reply #44 posted 02/29/16 9:12am

2elijah

Horsefeathers said:

Sincere question-- has Trump disavowed elsewhere besides the, "ok, whatever, yeah, I disavow. *eyeroll*shrug*" version? Because as much as I like to give benefit of the doubt, and I do, it is really hard to take that sincerely and understand the vehement defense of it.

He did it in a not-so-sincere-way, and appeared as though he was being forced to do so. He has been expressing disrespect and hatred towards a few groups, so he should have known that type of rhetoric would attract a certain type within the Anerican population. The members of hate groups that support trump see him as their savior, who will somehow ride on a white horse and de-brown this country. Not happening. Trump will not be able to stop the browning of America, as I bet some of those asswipes are hoping. Lol.
[Edited 2/29/16 9:22am]
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Reply #45 posted 02/29/16 9:37am

free2bfreeda

: http://thinkprogress.org/...avid-duke/

Trump Plays Dumb On David Duke’s History Of White Supremacy. Here’s Proof He’s Lying.

FEB 28, 2016 10:56 AM UPDATED: FEB 28, 2016 1:38 PM

>

excerpt:

I know nothing about David Duke. I know nothing about white supremacists,” Trump told Tapper.

Trump does know who David Duke is, however. In 2000, when he said he would not seek the Reform Party nomination, Trump said that the party was too splintered to successfully back a presidential candidate.

“As you know, the Reform Party has got some pretty big problems,” Trump said on World News Now in 2000. “Not the least of which is Pat Buchanan, David Duke, Fulani, and it’s a problem.”

Trump also wrote in the New York Times, “Although I am totally comfortable with the people in the New York Independence Party, I leave the Reform Party to David Duke, Pat Buchanan and Lenora Fulani. That is not company I wish to keep.”

rolleyes

just sayin.


“Transracial is a term that has long since been defined as the adoption of a child that is of a different race than the adoptive parents,” : https://thinkprogress.org...fb6e18544a
Reply #46 posted 02/29/16 9:43am

RodeoSchro

free2bfreeda said:

: http://thinkprogress.org/...avid-duke/

Trump Plays Dumb On David Duke’s History Of White Supremacy. Here’s Proof He’s Lying.

FEB 28, 2016 10:56 AM UPDATED: FEB 28, 2016 1:38 PM

>

excerpt:

I know nothing about David Duke. I know nothing about white supremacists,” Trump told Tapper.

Trump does know who David Duke is, however. In 2000, when he said he would not seek the Reform Party nomination, Trump said that the party was too splintered to successfully back a presidential candidate.

“As you know, the Reform Party has got some pretty big problems,” Trump said on World News Now in 2000. “Not the least of which is Pat Buchanan, David Duke, Fulani, and it’s a problem.”

Trump also wrote in the New York Times, “Although I am totally comfortable with the people in the New York Independence Party, I leave the Reform Party to David Duke, Pat Buchanan and Lenora Fulani. That is not company I wish to keep.”

rolleyes

just sayin.



So in effect he had disavowed David Duke 16 years ago, correct?

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Reply #47 posted 02/29/16 9:53am

free2bfreeda

RodeoSchro said:

free2bfreeda said:

: http://thinkprogress.org/...avid-duke/

Trump Plays Dumb On David Duke’s History Of White Supremacy. Here’s Proof He’s Lying.

FEB 28, 2016 10:56 AM UPDATED: FEB 28, 2016 1:38 PM

>

excerpt:

I know nothing about David Duke. I know nothing about white supremacists,” Trump told Tapper.

Trump does know who David Duke is, however. In 2000, when he said he would not seek the Reform Party nomination, Trump said that the party was too splintered to successfully back a presidential candidate.

“As you know, the Reform Party has got some pretty big problems,” Trump said on World News Now in 2000. “Not the least of which is Pat Buchanan, David Duke, Fulani, and it’s a problem.”

Trump also wrote in the New York Times, “Although I am totally comfortable with the people in the New York Independence Party, I leave the Reform Party to David Duke, Pat Buchanan and Lenora Fulani. That is not company I wish to keep.”

rolleyes

just sayin.



So in effect he had disavowed David Duke 16 years ago, correct?

point is, he lied and u know it! correct?

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Reply #48 posted 02/29/16 10:09am

lazycrockett

You just aren't a very good candidate or for that matter a good person, if you faulter on whether you want the support of the KKK. This is not something you need to review or talk to your handlers bout. period.

The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything.
Reply #49 posted 02/29/16 10:22am

Horsefeathers

I really don't think Trump has the luxury of being all, "lolwut?" with this when one of his major selling points is knowing how the media game is played. He doesn't get to pretend to be clueless now. That's why the initial meh disavow whatever response bugs, and I think it's fair that his feet are being held to the fire over it even if he's walking it back now. First reactions are generally perceived as honest reactions, and his first reaction appears to have been apathy at best. People are justified in being concerned about that.
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Reply #50 posted 02/29/16 10:23am

DarlingDiana

Reply #51 posted 02/29/16 10:28am

DarlingDiana

RodeoSchro said:

 



free2bfreeda said:


: http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2016/02/28/3754583/trump-david-duke/


Trump Plays Dumb On David Duke’s History Of White Supremacy. Here’s Proof He’s Lying.


 FEB 28, 2016 10:56 AM UPDATED: FEB 28, 2016 1:38 PM


>


excerpt:


 I know nothing about David Duke. I know nothing about white supremacists,” Trump told Tapper.


Trump does know who David Duke is, however. In 2000, when he said he would not seek the Reform Party nomination, Trump said that the party was too splintered to successfully back a presidential candidate.


“As you know, the Reform Party has got some pretty big problems,” Trump said on World News Now in 2000. “Not the least of which is Pat Buchanan, David Duke, Fulani, and it’s a problem.”


Trump also wrote in the New York Times, “Although I am totally comfortable with the people in the New York Independence Party, I leave the Reform Party to David Duke, Pat Buchanan and Lenora Fulani. That is not company I wish to keep.”


rolleyes


just sayin.






So in effect he had disavowed David Duke 16 years ago, correct?



He disavowed Duke then, he disavowed his now, and you've still got people running for President (though not doing very well) saying he refuses to disavow, and the media saying he refuses to disavow him. It's crazy. Meanwhile Hillary Clinton was a tremendous friend and great supporter of Robert Byrd and Bill Clinton even justified him being in the KKK. Where's the outrage about that? The media is in the tank for Hillary Clinton.
Reply #52 posted 02/29/16 10:31am

RodeoSchro

free2bfreeda said:

RodeoSchro said:


So in effect he had disavowed David Duke 16 years ago, correct?

point is, he lied and u know it! correct?



I don't think he lied but he definitely misspoke. I don't know if you saw it, but Trump disavowed David Duke on Friday (using those exact words, "I disavow him").

I think Trump thought Tapper knew Trump had already specifically disavowed Duke, and was pressing him on unnamed groups. I think that's why Trump kept asking for the names of the groups, and I think the Duke comment was borne out of that.

Regardless, do you not find it ironic that your basis for claiming Trump lied are comments where he specifically says he wants nothing to do with a party that involves David Duke?

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Reply #53 posted 02/29/16 10:33am

RodeoSchro

Horsefeathers said:

I really don't think Trump has the luxury of being all, "lolwut?" with this when one of his major selling points is knowing how the media game is played. He doesn't get to pretend to be clueless now. That's why the initial meh disavow whatever response bugs, and I think it's fair that his feet are being held to the fire over it even if he's walking it back now. First reactions are generally perceived as honest reactions, and his first reaction appears to have been apathy at best. People are justified in being concerned about that.



Good points but if Trump wins 10 or 11 states tomorrow, it'll all be moot.

Except as an example once again of how NOT to go after Trump.

I think I know the only way that will work, but no one's tried it yet.

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Reply #54 posted 02/29/16 10:34am

DarlingDiana


[Edited 2/29/16 10:36am]
Reply #55 posted 02/29/16 10:41am

DarlingDiana

RodeoSchro said:

 



free2bfreeda said:


 



RodeoSchro said:


 



So in effect he had disavowed David Duke 16 years ago, correct?



point is, he lied and u know it!  correct?





I don't think he lied but he definitely misspoke.  I don't know if you saw it, but Trump disavowed David Duke on Friday (using those exact words, "I disavow him").  

I think Trump thought Tapper knew Trump had already specifically disavowed Duke, and was pressing him on unnamed groups.  I think that's why Trump kept asking for the names of the groups, and I think the Duke comment was borne out of that.

Regardless, do you not find it ironic that your basis for claiming Trump lied are comments where he specifically says he wants nothing to do with a party that involves David Duke?



Asking Trump to disavow white supremacists on national TV is like asking, "have you stopped beating your wife." However he answers it he's acknowledging that he has white supremacist followers. That's why he went with "I don't know anything about white supremacists."

Remember in 2008 when a big deal was made about Obama denouncing and rejecting Jeremiah Wright? Same thing. Obama didn't want to admit to having unsavoury or problematic supporters. And then when he did denounce him it wasn't good enough. Leading to that infamous line from Hillary Clinton in one of the debate where she said, "you denounced him but you didn't reject him" or something like that.
Reply #56 posted 02/29/16 10:49am

RodeoSchro

DarlingDiana said:

RodeoSchro said:



I don't think he lied but he definitely misspoke. I don't know if you saw it, but Trump disavowed David Duke on Friday (using those exact words, "I disavow him").

I think Trump thought Tapper knew Trump had already specifically disavowed Duke, and was pressing him on unnamed groups. I think that's why Trump kept asking for the names of the groups, and I think the Duke comment was borne out of that.

Regardless, do you not find it ironic that your basis for claiming Trump lied are comments where he specifically says he wants nothing to do with a party that involves David Duke?

Asking Trump to disavow white supremacists on national TV is like asking, "have you stopped beating your wife." However he answers it he's acknowledging that he has white supremacist followers. That's why he went with "I don't know anything about white supremacists." Remember in 2008 when a big deal was made about Obama denouncing and rejecting Jeremiah Wright? Same thing. Obama didn't want to admit to having unsavoury or problematic supporters. And then when he did denounce him it wasn't good enough. Leading to that infamous line from Hillary Clinton in one of the debate where she said, "you denounced him but you didn't reject him" or something like that.



Good point.

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Reply #57 posted 02/29/16 10:53am

Horsefeathers

DarlingDiana said:

RodeoSchro said:

 



free2bfreeda said:


 



RodeoSchro said:


 



So in effect he had disavowed David Duke 16 years ago, correct?



point is, he lied and u know it!  correct?





I don't think he lied but he definitely misspoke.  I don't know if you saw it, but Trump disavowed David Duke on Friday (using those exact words, "I disavow him").  

I think Trump thought Tapper knew Trump had already specifically disavowed Duke, and was pressing him on unnamed groups.  I think that's why Trump kept asking for the names of the groups, and I think the Duke comment was borne out of that.

Regardless, do you not find it ironic that your basis for claiming Trump lied are comments where he specifically says he wants nothing to do with a party that involves David Duke?



Asking Trump to disavow white supremacists on national TV is like asking, "have you stopped beating your wife." However he answers it he's acknowledging that he has white supremacist followers. That's why he went with "I don't know anything about white supremacists."

Remember in 2008 when a big deal was made about Obama denouncing and rejecting Jeremiah Wright? Same thing. Obama didn't want to admit to having unsavoury or problematic supporters. And then when he did denounce him it wasn't good enough. Leading to that infamous line from Hillary Clinton in one of the debate where she said, "you denounced him but you didn't reject him" or something like that.


Again, Trump is a big boy with a big voice. I don't think he has the luxury of cherry-picking "too sensitive" issues. He has not shied away from controversy before now. If anyone would be in a good position to say, "yeah, no, fuck them," it's Trump. His initial response was just a flop.
Murica: at least it's not Sudan.
Reply #58 posted 02/29/16 10:59am

deebee

lazycrockett said:

You just aren't a very good candidate or for that matter a good person, if you faulter on whether you want the support of the KKK. This is not something you need to review or talk to your handlers bout. period.

Ain't that the truth. nod

It's interesting, too, because often you see dog-whistle politics, in which a 'respectable' candidate names all of the same reference points that constitute a certain discourse on Blacks, Mexicans, gays, etc etc, but leaves out the explicit bigoted point that everyone knows ties it all together, which the more crude, 'street-level' group would delight in explicitly stating. So, a dog-whistle Trump would say all the same stuff he has to rouse his base, but then, faced with a question like this, put on his best 'innocent' face and say, "Moi?? I'm shocked! Do you think me a ruffian, Sir? Have you seen my lovely suit?", etc.

In that model, the explications are slips where the unconscious finds a way - "Blah people", "government nig...otiator", etc.

But Trump seems to have been flirting with something that's more overt than the standard fare - whether it's birtherisms, Muslim bans, Mexican rapists, or whatever else he comes up with. Part of it is, I suspect, a kind of goading of liberals, and a sense that he'll gain by positioning himself against 'politically correct SJWs that have taken away our right to say what we want'. (But why do you want to say that?) But even for that to work, there must still be an assumption that one's base won't be turned off, even by the retweeting of supremacists and the like - or even, as with this, that one can even be a bit coy about stating whether or not David Duke is a valid member of the purely-anti-PC-you-understand alliance of which one is the figurehead; a sense that that might be something that's not a settled question, or there's something there worth flirting with. It's certainly a strategy that's 'in process', being developed along the way - so in the TV interview, he's coy, but at the press conference he gives an impatient "oh, alright then" disavowal; and maybe he's felt out where the boundary is now. But, so far, he seems to have had a good sense of an envelope that's expanded beyond where many might have thought its limits lay - which says something about the campaign, and the society.

[Edited 2/29/16 11:06am]

"Not everything that is faced can be changed; but nothing can be changed until it is faced." - James Baldwin
Reply #59 posted 02/29/16 11:18am

DarlingDiana

Horsefeathers said:

DarlingDiana said:



Asking Trump to disavow white supremacists on national TV is like asking, "have you stopped beating your wife." However he answers it he's acknowledging that he has white supremacist followers. That's why he went with "I don't know anything about white supremacists."

Remember in 2008 when a big deal was made about Obama denouncing and rejecting Jeremiah Wright? Same thing. Obama didn't want to admit to having unsavoury or problematic supporters. And then when he did denounce him it wasn't good enough. Leading to that infamous line from Hillary Clinton in one of the debate where she said, "you denounced him but you didn't reject him" or something like that.


Again, Trump is a big boy with a big voice. I don't think he has the luxury of cherry-picking "too sensitive" issues. He has not shied away from controversy before now. If anyone would be in a good position to say, "yeah, no, fuck them," it's Trump. His initial response was just a flop.


His initial response was, "oh, David Duke endorsed me? Then I disavow him." Perfect. Direct. Couldn't ask for more. But there's no satisfying some people.
Reply #60 posted 02/29/16 11:23am

Horsefeathers

I keep asking this-- is the initial response the one where he rolled his eyes and shrugged and whatevered about it? Or the one where he claimed not to even be familiar enough to say anything? Because that matters. People are justified in not being pleased by that if that was his initial response. Nobody even seems to be able to agree on what the initial response was.

And I can't click on any video links hence asking silly questions.
Murica: at least it's not Sudan.
Reply #61 posted 02/29/16 11:25am

Horsefeathers

I don't get how saying tone and context matter is so controversial and unsatisfying.
Murica: at least it's not Sudan.
Reply #62 posted 02/29/16 11:26am

DarlingDiana

Horsefeathers said:

I keep asking this-- is the initial response the one where he rolled his eyes and shrugged and whatevered about it? Or the one where he claimed not to even be familiar enough to say anything? Because that matters. People are justified in not being pleased by that if that was his initial response. Nobody even seems to be able to agree on what the initial response was.

And I can't click on any video links hence asking silly questions.


I thought his first response was when he was with Chris Christie at a press conference where Christie endorsed him (Feb 27). A reporter asked about the David Duke endorsement and Trump said. "I didn't even know that, David Duke endorsed me? I disavow." There was no eye rolling.
[Edited 2/29/16 11:27am]
Reply #63 posted 02/29/16 11:29am

DarlingDiana

Horsefeathers said:

I don't get how saying tone and context matter is so controversial and unsatisfying.


I don't get how saying "I disavow" is unsatisfying. It's perfectly clear. But he didn't say it right. His inflection was unconvincing. Come on, come on, come on. People are really stretching now.
Reply #64 posted 02/29/16 11:35am

RodeoSchro

Horsefeathers said:

I keep asking this-- is the initial response the one where he rolled his eyes and shrugged and whatevered about it? Or the one where he claimed not to even be familiar enough to say anything? Because that matters. People are justified in not being pleased by that if that was his initial response. Nobody even seems to be able to agree on what the initial response was. And I can't click on any video links hence asking silly questions.



I think it's the first one you're referring to. DarlingDiana posted the video but if you can't see it, here's what it shows:

Trump is at a podium answering questions. Chris Christie is behind him, so this must have been on the day that Christie endorsed him (Friday) A female voice asks, "Mr. Trump - how do you feel about the recent endorsement from David Duke?"

Trump says, "I didn't even know he endorsed me. David Duke endorsed me? Ok, alright. I disavow. OK?"

It's not an offhand disavowing. It's more like a "Oh man, I have to deal with crud like David Duke endorsing me?" kind of vibe.

BTW, the link below is the CNN story on the Friday press conference - the same press conference in which Trump disavows Duke. Guess who one of the authors of that story is?

Jake Tapper.

http://www.cnn.com/2016/0...ald-trump/

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Reply #65 posted 02/29/16 12:20pm

Horsefeathers

Ok, so same footage, different perceptions. The only thing that is clear is that it's not "perfectly clear." But at least I'm on the same page with regard to the initial response because it's like people were commenting on (at least) two different events. I'll reserve judgment, I guess. I haven't seen enough of that footage to know either way or to shoot down the people concerned as being irrational. It's not like there hasn't been enough rhetoric to paint that picture. But yeah. Inflection and at least the appearance of sincerity matter. If it didn't, there wouldn't be so many politicians kissing babies (gross).
Murica: at least it's not Sudan.
Reply #66 posted 02/29/16 12:20pm

214

lazycrockett said:

1 kkk asshat got stabbed the other 2 were protesters. Feel back for the protesters getting hurt.

I feel bad for the protesters

Reply #67 posted 02/29/16 7:53pm

DarlingDiana

This is just too good. https://streamable.com/3m8l

MSNBC was in the middle of doing a hit piece on Trump being a racist and they accidentally played a video of a black Trump supporters giving a beautifully anti-racist statement next to his white friend he just met at the rally, America at its best. When they realized they fucked up the host tried awkwardly to get back onto her talking point. It was hilarious. Amazing footage.
[Edited 2/29/16 19:53pm]
Reply #68 posted 02/29/16 10:32pm

TRUECRISTIAN

BobGeorge909 said:

No wonder I always heard it refered to as Klanaheim.... I always figured it was bullshit... But according to the article,bthay have a rich history there. [Edited 2/27/16 18:22pm]

Reply #69 posted 03/01/16 6:09am

13cjk13

I find the picture above more "amazing" than the footage of 1 misinformed African American at a Trump rally.

Matthew 5:38-39
“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Reply #70 posted 03/01/16 8:21am

lazycrockett

The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything.
Reply #71 posted 03/01/16 8:37am

DarlingDiana

Breaking news: Trump photographed at party with KKK sympathizers...


[Edited 3/1/16 8:38am]
Reply #72 posted 03/01/16 8:47am

DarlingDiana

Powerful Ron Paul!



See, anyone who is objective and rational and isn't trying to play dirty propaganda tactics can see that the media is fabricating this KKK controversy. And Ron Paul hates Donald Trump. He's right, it's a fabrication concocted by the media and they have given David Duke and the last, sad remnants of the KKK more press than they've got in decades. Well done.
Reply #73 posted 03/01/16 9:52am

free2bfreeda

: https://www.washingtonpos...s_business

A provocative theory for why Donald Trump keeps flip-flopping on the KKK

February 29 2016

Donald Trump appeared to change his position twice over the weekend regarding David Duke, the notorious former grand wizard of the Ku Klux Klan who said he supports the candidate on his radio program last week.

Duke said he wasn't formally endorsing the candidate, but he encouraged his followers to volunteer for Trump's campaign, telling them, "You're going to meet people who are going to have the same kind of mindset that you have."

On Friday, Trump denounced Duke during a news conference, only to tell CNN two days later that he didn't know enough about the white supremacist to condemn him.

"I don’t know anything about what you’re even talking about with white supremacy or white supremacists," Trump told the network's Jake Tapper.

By Monday morning, Trump had reversed himself again, disavowing Duke's support and saying on NBC's "Today" that he couldn't understand Tapper's question due to a faulty earpiece. Nonetheless, the episode provided further evidence that racism is a factor in Trump's success so far in the GOP presidential primary.

Trump's supporters appear to have little in common. He is the most popular candidate among all kinds of demographic groups in the GOP electorate. He wins with Republicans who are well educated and poorly educated, with religious as well as secular voters, with the rich and the poor, and with voters who see themselves as conservative and those who call themselves moderate.

While polling suggests that Trump's supporters have a variety of motivations, recent research suggests that prejudice, along with the trait psychologists call "authoritarianism," distinguishes many of those casting ballots for Trump from other Republican voters.

While choices about child-rearing might seem to have little to do with politics, polling shows Trump's supporters are more likely to value respect for authority and obedience in children, as Wonkblog has reported. Researchers say these views indicate authoritarianism, and indeed, Trump's supporters also are more likely than his rivals' supporters to believe the next president should suppress political dissent. Over the weekend, Trump also called for libel laws to be weakened to make it more difficult for the media to criticize him.

Authoritarianism is also associated with racial and ethnic prejudice. "They don't trust other people," Marc Hetherington, a political scientist at Vanderbilt University, said about authoritarians in a recent interview. "They're wary, and that's why they don’t want people who are different from them in the country, and don't think so highly of people who are from different races.

Opposition to immigration has been a crucial theme of Trump's campaign, which he announced last year by declaring Mexican immigrants criminals and "rapists." Polling by The Washington Post and ABC News shows that a majority of GOP voters who believe strongly that immigrants weaken American society support Trump.

While some of these voters might hold that view due to economic concerns rather than xenophobia, recent research suggests that racism is part of what motivates opposition to immigration. As Wonkblog has reported, a recent experiment showed that white participants were less amenable to living and working alongside immigrants when shown a manipulated photograph of foreigners with darker complexions.

There are other reasons for Trump's appeal, to be sure. He is the most popular candidate even among voters who believe that immigrants strengthen American society, according to the the Post-ABC poll, though by a narrow margin.

Taken together, however, these findings suggest a possible explanation for Trump's unexpected success in the GOP primary. Instead of relying on the established factions of Republican voters that have selected presidential nominees in recent elections, Trump is instead creating a new coalition, exploiting some voters' racial and ethnic biases.

dove

Authoritarianism is a form of government characterized by strong central power and limited political freedoms.

rolleyes

so this is the man that will change america by taking away freedoms should he be elected as the next u s president?


“Transracial is a term that has long since been defined as the adoption of a child that is of a different race than the adoptive parents,” : https://thinkprogress.org...fb6e18544a
Reply #74 posted 03/01/16 9:55am

lazycrockett

Drumpf is more Nationalism/Fascist.

Mussolini comes to mind.

The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything.
Reply #75 posted 03/01/16 9:59am

morningsong

lazycrockett said:

Water almost came out my nose.

“Do I dare Disturb the universe?”
― T.S. Eliot

“Only by acceptance of the past, can you alter it”
― T.S. Eliot
Reply #76 posted 03/01/16 10:02am

lazycrockett

^It is a funny one. Best thing Ive seen in a while. and spot on.

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Reply #77 posted 03/01/16 11:47am

RodeoSchro

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Reply #78 posted 03/01/16 12:00pm

lazycrockett

All I see is a bunch of scared frightened white people. Seriously its like watching their last stand before the enviable turn of the tide.

The Most Important Thing In Life Is Sincerity....Once You Can Fake That, You Can Fake Anything.
Reply #79 posted 03/01/16 12:23pm

bobzilla77

Donald Trump has done as much as anybody to turn this election into a shouting contest. If his more moderate remarks have been overshadowed by his ealier, more inflammatory ones, it's not really shocking in this environment.

*

Even if he did change his mind later, it has to be recognized that even tentatively giving a pause to say, hey, the KKK may actually have a point and we shouldn't judge them, is a very powerful statement. It opens up the possibility that they might be right in this case.

Reply #80 posted 03/01/16 12:27pm

RodeoSchro

lazycrockett said:

All I see is a bunch of scared frightened white people. Seriously its like watching their last stand before the enviable turn of the tide.



All I saw was a bunch of white people - and one kind of orange guy - shouting down another white guy in a KKK t-shirt, eventually running him out of the building.

Who couldn't like that?

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Reply #81 posted 03/01/16 12:45pm

Revolution

Im not surprised at all at what im seeing. You would think that after all of the BLM gatherings this year, blacks would understand that groups have a right to gather and demonstrate. SMH at the absurdity. Once again.
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Reply #82 posted 03/01/16 1:09pm

DarlingDiana

bobzilla77 said:

Donald Trump has done as much as anybody to turn this election into a shouting contest. If his more moderate remarks have been overshadowed by his ealier, more inflammatory ones, it's not really shocking in this environment.


*


Even if he did change his mind later, it has to be recognized that even tentatively giving a pause to say, hey, the KKK may actually have a point and we shouldn't judge them, is a very powerful statement. It opens up the possibility that they might be right in this case.



What in the absolutely fuck are you talking about. When did Trump say the KKK might have a point and we shouldn't judge them? The media has down a terrible disservice. They've spread so much misinformation.
Reply #83 posted 03/01/16 2:39pm

lazycrockett

Today basically both McConnell and Ryan, the GOP leaders of The Senate and The House threw Trump under the bus over Trumps love of Racism.

[Edited 3/1/16 14:39pm]

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Reply #84 posted 03/01/16 2:46pm

13cjk13

DarlingDiana said:

bobzilla77 said:

Donald Trump has done as much as anybody to turn this election into a shouting contest. If his more moderate remarks have been overshadowed by his ealier, more inflammatory ones, it's not really shocking in this environment.

*

Even if he did change his mind later, it has to be recognized that even tentatively giving a pause to say, hey, the KKK may actually have a point and we shouldn't judge them, is a very powerful statement. It opens up the possibility that they might be right in this case.

What in the absolutely fuck are you talking about. When did Trump say the KKK might have a point and we shouldn't judge them? The media has down a terrible disservice. They've spread so much misinformation.

The TRUTH is the absolutely fuck he is talking about. Fuck Trump.

Matthew 5:38-39
“You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ But I say to you, Do not resist the one who is evil. But if anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also.
Reply #85 posted 03/01/16 6:10pm

2elijah

DarlingDiana said:

RodeoSchro said:

 



free2bfreeda said:


 



RodeoSchro said:


 



So in effect he had disavowed David Duke 16 years ago, correct?



point is, he lied and u know it!  correct?





I don't think he lied but he definitely misspoke.  I don't know if you saw it, but Trump disavowed David Duke on Friday (using those exact words, "I disavow him").  

I think Trump thought Tapper knew Trump had already specifically disavowed Duke, and was pressing him on unnamed groups.  I think that's why Trump kept asking for the names of the groups, and I think the Duke comment was borne out of that.

Regardless, do you not find it ironic that your basis for claiming Trump lied are comments where he specifically says he wants nothing to do with a party that involves David Duke?



Asking Trump to disavow white supremacists on national TV is like asking, "have you stopped beating your wife." However he answers it he's acknowledging that he has white supremacist followers. That's why he went with "I don't know anything about white supremacists."

Remember in 2008 when a big deal was made about Obama denouncing and rejecting Jeremiah Wright? Same thing. Obama didn't want to admit to having unsavoury or problematic supporters. And then when he did denounce him it wasn't good enough. Leading to that infamous line from Hillary Clinton in one of the debate where she said, "you denounced him but you didn't reject him" or something like that.

Yeah but the media doesn't slam trump, the way all those media rightwingers, attacked President Obama with all kinds of bs. Compared to that, most in the media have been light on trump.
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Reply #86 posted 03/01/16 6:11pm

2elijah

DarlingDiana said:

RodeoSchro said:

 



free2bfreeda said:


 



RodeoSchro said:


 



So in effect he had disavowed David Duke 16 years ago, correct?



point is, he lied and u know it!  correct?





I don't think he lied but he definitely misspoke.  I don't know if you saw it, but Trump disavowed David Duke on Friday (using those exact words, "I disavow him").  

I think Trump thought Tapper knew Trump had already specifically disavowed Duke, and was pressing him on unnamed groups.  I think that's why Trump kept asking for the names of the groups, and I think the Duke comment was borne out of that.

Regardless, do you not find it ironic that your basis for claiming Trump lied are comments where he specifically says he wants nothing to do with a party that involves David Duke?



Asking Trump to disavow white supremacists on national TV is like asking, "have you stopped beating your wife." However he answers it he's acknowledging that he has white supremacist followers. That's why he went with "I don't know anything about white supremacists."

Remember in 2008 when a big deal was made about Obama denouncing and rejecting Jeremiah Wright? Same thing. Obama didn't want to admit to having unsavoury or problematic supporters. And then when he did denounce him it wasn't good enough. Leading to that infamous line from Hillary Clinton in one of the debate where she said, "you denounced him but you didn't reject him" or something like that.

Yeah but the media doesn't slam trump, the way all those media rightwingers, attacked President Obama with all kinds of bs. Compared to that, most in the media have been light on trump.
'Trump voters got Hoodwinked by Trump' popcorn coke
Reply #87 posted 03/01/16 6:13pm

DarlingDiana

2elijah said:

DarlingDiana said:



Asking Trump to disavow white supremacists on national TV is like asking, "have you stopped beating your wife." However he answers it he's acknowledging that he has white supremacist followers. That's why he went with "I don't know anything about white supremacists."

Remember in 2008 when a big deal was made about Obama denouncing and rejecting Jeremiah Wright? Same thing. Obama didn't want to admit to having unsavoury or problematic supporters. And then when he did denounce him it wasn't good enough. Leading to that infamous line from Hillary Clinton in one of the debate where she said, "you denounced him but you didn't reject him" or something like that.

Yeah but the media doesn't slam trump, the way all those media rightwingers, attacked President Obama with all kinds of bs. Compared to that, most in the media have been light on trump.


What? I take it you didn't see any cable news or read any online news over the last few days.
Reply #88 posted 03/01/16 6:17pm

2elijah

DarlingDiana said:

2elijah said:


Yeah but the media doesn't slam trump, the way all those media rightwingers, attacked President Obama with all kinds of bs. Compared to that, most in the media have been light on trump.


What? I take it you didn't see any cable news or read any online news over the last few days.



Oh yes I have. The way the media has been kissing trump's asscheeks for the past few months, doesn't compare to the horrible attacks, lies and assumptions towards President Obama from many in the media, when President Obama was campaigning.
[Edited 3/1/16 18:18pm]
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Reply #89 posted 03/01/16 6:30pm

DarlingDiana

2elijah said:

DarlingDiana said:



What? I take it you didn't see any cable news or read any online news over the last few days.



Oh yes I have. The way the media has been kissing trump's asscheeks for the past few months, doesn't compare to the horrible attacks, lies and assumptions towards President Obama from many in the media, when President Obama was campaigning.
[Edited 3/1/16 18:18pm]


What ass kissing? They've been relentless. You haven't been paying attention. Look at CNN right now. They are calling Trump a racist.
Reply #90 posted 03/01/16 8:51pm

2elijah

DarlingDiana said:

2elijah said:




Oh yes I have. The way the media has been kissing trump's asscheeks for the past few months, doesn't compare to the horrible attacks, lies and assumptions towards President Obama from many in the media, when President Obama was campaigning.
[Edited 3/1/16 18:18pm]


What ass kissing? They've been relentless. You haven't been paying attention. Look at CNN right now. They are calling Trump a racist.

CNN has been wiping trump's ass. The only reason they are finally admitting he's a racist, is because of the Duke endorsement, and jumping on that bandwagon because their competition did, and they would have been questioned if they tried to ignore that. Trump has always expressed racist insults towards many groups over the years. He has never hid it. Many New Yorker's know of this. If he becomes the nominee, Hillary will make a clown out of him. She has more balls than he does.
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Reply #91 posted 03/02/16 5:42am

2elijah

Revolution said:

Im not surprised at all at what im seeing. You would think that after all of the BLM gatherings this year, blacks would understand that groups have a right to gather and demonstrate. SMH at the absurdity. Once again.

Did you take some kind of poll to conclude your generalization, that Blacks don't understand that groups have a right to gather and demonstrate?

All groups have a right to gather and demonstrate in America, including ignorant, assinine kkk members and other hate groups.

Yet you were one of the first ones here, in this forum. ranting and criticizing BLM for exercising their right to 'gather and demonstrate,' against abusive and corrupt police. Lmao. Oh the hypocrisy.
[Edited 3/2/16 7:06am]
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Reply #92 posted 03/02/16 8:40am

lazycrockett

The GOP is really trying to make these racism charges stick to Drumpf. Its wonderful.

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Reply #93 posted 03/02/16 8:51am

DarlingDiana

lazycrockett said:

The GOP is really trying to make these racism charges stick to Drumpf.  Its wonderful.



Lol, you're trying so hard to make that forced meme stick.

You do know his birth name is Donald Trump, right? He didn't change it. It was changed many generations before he was born and it's simply the Anglocization of Drumpf. One of the weirdest, pettiest arguments against Trump I've ever heard. His family name was changed centuries ago. Wow, what a point. You really stumped him. neutral
[Edited 3/2/16 8:52am]
Reply #94 posted 03/02/16 9:04am

free2bfreeda

Revolution said:

Im not surprised at all at what im seeing. You would think that after all of the BLM gatherings this year, blacks would understand that groups have a right to gather and demonstrate. SMH at the absurdity. Once again.

rolleyes

yes black people who particpate within the BLM do understand that groups have a right to gather and demonstrate.

however seems there is a HUGE absurdity you seem to have overlooked with the KKK, that being the particpants within the BLM do not have a history of:

1. burning churches

2. killing children

3. hanging innocent black men (and women) just because of the color of their skin

4. burning crosses at random

5. dragging black men behind cars

6. hate crimes against blacks, white sympathizers, jewish people, mexicans, catholics, and etc

7. poisoning the minds of their children by teaching racial hatred and the lies of superiority

Related imageRelated imageRelated imageRelated image

maybe de-evolution would be a better moniker for ones avatar when it comes to turning a blind eye to the KKK and what they truly represent as far as supporting their "right to gather and demonstrate."

rolleyes

just sayin

“Transracial is a term that has long since been defined as the adoption of a child that is of a different race than the adoptive parents,” : https://thinkprogress.org...fb6e18544a
Reply #95 posted 03/02/16 9:11am

free2bfreeda

RodeoSchro said:

free2bfreeda said:

: http://thinkprogress.org/...avid-duke/

Trump Plays Dumb On David Duke’s History Of White Supremacy. Here’s Proof He’s Lying.

FEB 28, 2016 10:56 AM UPDATED: FEB 28, 2016 1:38 PM

>

excerpt:

I know nothing about David Duke. I know nothing about white supremacists,” Trump told Tapper.

Trump does know who David Duke is, however. In 2000, when he said he would not seek the Reform Party nomination, Trump said that the party was too splintered to successfully back a presidential candidate.

“As you know, the Reform Party has got some pretty big problems,” Trump said on World News Now in 2000. “Not the least of which is Pat Buchanan, David Duke, Fulani, and it’s a problem.”

Trump also wrote in the New York Times, “Although I am totally comfortable with the people in the New York Independence Party, I leave the Reform Party to David Duke, Pat Buchanan and Lenora Fulani. That is not company I wish to keep.”

rolleyes

just sayin.



So in effect he had disavowed David Duke 16 years ago, correct?

: https://www.youtube.com/w...i3E0b_wU18

Trump Failed The Easiest Test

falloff

“Transracial is a term that has long since been defined as the adoption of a child that is of a different race than the adoptive parents,” : https://thinkprogress.org...fb6e18544a
Reply #96 posted 03/02/16 9:16am

Graycap23

Revolution said:
Im not surprised at all at what im seeing. You would think that after all of the BLM gatherings this year, blacks would understand that groups have a right to gather and demonstrate. SMH at the absurdity. Once again.

eek

No wonder this country is so fucked up.

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Reply #97 posted 03/02/16 1:28pm

214

free2bfreeda said:

Revolution said:

Im not surprised at all at what im seeing. You would think that after all of the BLM gatherings this year, blacks would understand that groups have a right to gather and demonstrate. SMH at the absurdity. Once again.

rolleyes

yes black people who particpate within the BLM do understand that groups have a right to gather and demonstrate.

however seems there is a HUGE absurdity you seem to have overlooked with the KKK, that being the particpants within the BLM do not have a history of:

1. burning churches

2. killing children

3. hanging innocent black men (and women) just because of the color of their skin

4. burning crosses at random

5. dragging black men behind cars

6. hate crimes against blacks, white sympathizers, jewish people, mexicans, catholics, and etc

7. poisoning the minds of their children by teaching racial hatred and the lies of superiority

Related imageRelated imageRelated imageRelated image

maybe de-evolution would be a better moniker for ones avatar when it comes to turning a blind eye to the KKK and what they truly represent as far as supporting their "right to gather and demonstrate."

rolleyes

just sayin

Yu can't get facts clearer than that, well said it.

Reply #98 posted 03/02/16 3:09pm

uPtoWnNY

214 said:

free2bfreeda said:

rolleyes

yes black people who particpate within the BLM do understand that groups have a right to gather and demonstrate.

however seems there is a HUGE absurdity you seem to have overlooked with the KKK, that being the particpants within the BLM do not have a history of:

1. burning churches

2. killing children

3. hanging innocent black men (and women) just because of the color of their skin

4. burning crosses at random

5. dragging black men behind cars

6. hate crimes against blacks, white sympathizers, jewish people, mexicans, catholics, and etc

7. poisoning the minds of their children by teaching racial hatred and the lies of superiority

Related imageRelated imageRelated imageRelated image

maybe de-evolution would be a better moniker for ones avatar when it comes to turning a blind eye to the KKK and what they truly represent as far as supporting their "right to gather and demonstrate."

rolleyes

just sayin

Yu can't get facts clearer than that, well said it.

But you'll always have fools (here and elsewhere) who choose to ignore the facts. They cherry-pick whatever fits their agenda.

Reply #99 posted 03/02/16 4:40pm

214

uPtoWnNY said:

214 said:

Yu can't get facts clearer than that, well said it.

But you'll always have fools (here and elsewhere) who choose to ignore the facts. They cherry-pick whatever fits their agenda.

Unfortunately that's they way things go.

Reply #100 posted 03/02/16 5:44pm

2elijah

214 said:

 



uPtoWnNY said:


 



214 said:


 


Yu can't get facts clearer than that, well said it.



 


But you'll always have fools (here and elsewhere) who choose to ignore the facts. They cherry-pick whatever fits their agenda.



Unfortunately that's they way things go.


His true racist colors are coming out to bite him in the ass. At a recent rally, some of trump's racist, white male supporters, were knocking a Black female student around. That image was no different than the images of pre-1960s lynch mob. Trump is giving many of his racist followers false hopes. They are so afraid of the progress of African-Americans in this country, that some of those supporters act like untrained animals. Bunch of sick bastards using their hatred to act out.
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Reply #101 posted 03/02/16 5:46pm

lazycrockett

^The guy pushing her around is a neo nazi and white supremacist Matthew Heimbach.

http://www.nydailynews.co...-1.2550304

and Drumpf once again is silent.

[Edited 3/2/16 17:48pm]

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Reply #102 posted 03/02/16 5:51pm

DarlingDiana

2elijah said:

214 said:

 



uPtoWnNY said:


 



214 said:


 


Yu can't get facts clearer than that, well said it.



 


But you'll always have fools (here and elsewhere) who choose to ignore the facts. They cherry-pick whatever fits their agenda.



Unfortunately that's they way things go.


His true racist colors are coming out to bite him in the ass. At a recent rally, some of trump's racist, white male supporters, were knocking a Black female student around. That image was no different than the images of pre-1960s lynch mob. Trump is giving many of his racist followers false hopes. They are so afraid of the progress of African-Americans in this country, that some of those supporters act like untrained animals. Bunch of sick bastards using their hatred to act out.


Interesting story. Didn't happen. Here's the video: http://www.motherjones.com/mojo/2016/03/donald-trump-super-tuesday-push-violence-black-woman

One Trump supporter pushes her out the venue. It had nothing to do with her being black. She was causing a disturbance. There are plenty of black people who attend a Trump rallies and don't get pushed out. To compare one guy pushing a protestor out of a speech with a lynch mob is disrespectful. Lynch mobs were a horrific thing and you should have more respect for the victims of lynching.
Reply #103 posted 03/02/16 5:52pm

lazycrockett

roll the dice and try again.

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Reply #104 posted 03/02/16 5:57pm

214

2elijah said:

214 said:

Unfortunately that's they way things go.

His true racist colors are coming out to bite him in the ass. At a recent rally, some of trump's racist, white male supporters, were knocking a Black female student around. That image was no different than the images of pre-1960s lynch mob. Trump is giving many of his racist followers false hopes. They are so afraid of the progress of African-Americans in this country, that some of those supporters act like untrained animals. Bunch of sick bastards using their hatred to act out.

Trump is a threat.

Reply #105 posted 03/02/16 9:33pm

DiminutiveRocker

DarlingDiana said:

lazycrockett said:

The GOP is really trying to make these racism charges stick to Drumpf. Its wonderful.

Lol, you're trying so hard to make that forced meme stick. You do know his birth name is Donald Trump, right? He didn't change it. It was changed many generations before he was born and it's simply the Anglocization of Drumpf. One of the weirdest, pettiest arguments against Trump I've ever heard. His family name was changed centuries ago. Wow, what a point. You really stumped him. neutral [Edited 3/2/16 8:52am]



You mean drumpfed him.

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Reply #106 posted 03/02/16 9:47pm

luv4u

Moderator

moderator

lazycrockett said:

^The guy pushing her around is a neo nazi and white supremacist Matthew Heimbach.

http://www.nydailynews.co...-1.2550304

and Drumpf once again is silent.

[Edited 3/2/16 17:48pm]


I am appalled watching that veteran pushing the woman more than once, shame on him. smh

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Reply #107 posted 03/03/16 1:18pm

free2bfreeda

TRUECRISTIAN said:

BobGeorge909 said:

No wonder I always heard it refered to as Klanaheim.... I always figured it was bullshit... But according to the article,bthay have a rich history there. [Edited 2/27/16 18:22pm]

"I imagine one of the reasons people cling to their hates so stubbornly is because they sense, once hate is gone, they will be forced to deal with pain."~ James Baldwin
thus they discover they are not superior to other races.

rolleyes

oh the pain.

“Transracial is a term that has long since been defined as the adoption of a child that is of a different race than the adoptive parents,” : https://thinkprogress.org...fb6e18544a
Reply #108 posted 03/04/16 8:02am

free2bfreeda

see 1st post of this thread

Ku Klux Klan rally in Ana...ee stabbed

: http://www.latimes.com/lo...story.html

>

>

eek now compare the two coverages of the same story

Metalheads beat up KKK members at Anaheim

March 2 2016 : http://www.deathandtaxesm...eim-rally/

metalheads fight ku klux klan members at rally

notice how cnn did not pick up video coverage of scenes like this. seems they only showed black anti klan protetors fight with the klan.

why does the news media seem to be fanning flames against blacks with their coverage?

rolleyes

On Saturday, a “White Lives Matter”-themed Ku Klux Klan rally turned violent as a group of counter-protesters emerged and resulted in a bloody brawl between members of the KKK and what looks like a few metal heads.

According to Metal Injection, three people in the brawl were stabbed by Klansmen, but evaded charges since video showed that they were acting in self-defense. The YouTube description claimed that one man was possibly stabbed with a Confederate flagpole, and was taken to the hospital in critical condition. In total, 12 people were arrested, including seven counter-protesters and five Klansmen.

The Los Angeles Times reported that the counter-protesters want to sue for police brutality as one of the protesters, Hugo Contreras, suffered a broken arm amid his arrest. “He’s treated like a filthy dirty criminal, and then [the police] are very polite and civil to these KKK guys, who have stabbed three people,” said Contreras’ lawyer, Thomas Kielty. “All Mr. Contreras did was try to help his friend.”

There’s also a GoFundMe for Armando, a...z Buzz,” the metal dude in the above screen shot, who is faced with a mountain of medical bills from his stabbing.

Although the KKK is inherently repugnant and awful, they still have First Amendment protections to preach their garbage ideology without the threat of violence.

dove

see the real (non cnn ) unedited video within this article.

also compare the la times photo below with the above photo. in the above photo you do not see the metal head man, only see shadowy photo of a black man confronting the kkk.


wtf?

it's been said more often these days of how the television news media reports stories of a racial nature in a biased way. seems here is a bit of proof to support these claims

[Edited 3/4/16 8:26am]

“Transracial is a term that has long since been defined as the adoption of a child that is of a different race than the adoptive parents,” : https://thinkprogress.org...fb6e18544a
Reply #109 posted 03/04/16 8:58am

2elijah

luv4u said:

 



lazycrockett said:


^The guy pushing her around is a neo nazi and white supremacist Matthew Heimbach.


 


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/matthew-heimbach-recalls-pushing-black-woman-trump-rally-article-1.2550304


 


and Drumpf once again is silent.


[Edited 3/2/16 17:48pm]




I am appalled watching that veteran pushing the woman more than once, shame on him. smh


I'm glad someone agrees what he and the other men did to that student was wrong.
[Edited 3/4/16 9:00am]
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Reply #110 posted 03/04/16 11:09am

XxAxX

it's odd that there are already federal acts in place to shut the KKK down and yet the klan remain.

.

The Enforcement Act of 1870, also known as the Civil Rights Act of 1870 or First Ku Klux Klan Act, or Force Act was a United States federal law written to empower the President with the legal authority to enforce the first section of the Fifteenth Amendment throughout the United States. The act was the first of three Enforcement Acts passed by the United States Congress from 1870 to 1871 during the Reconstruction Era to combat attacks on the suffrage rights of African Americans from state officials or violent groups like the Ku Klux Klan.[1]

The bill H.R. 1293 was first introduced into the House by Republican John Bingham from Ohio on February 21, 1870, but not discussed until May 16, 1870.[2] Unlike the House bill, the Senate bill S. 810 grew from several different bills from various Senators. The first proposed bill was submitted to the Senate in February 1870 by Sen. George F. Edmunds from Vermont followed by Sen. Oliver P. Morton from Indiana, Sen. Charles Sumner from Massachusetts, and Sen. William Stewart from Nevada. After three months of rewriting in the Committee on the Judiciary, the final version of the bill was introduced onto the Senate floor on April 19, 1870.[3] The act was passed by Congress in May 1870 and signed into law by President Ulysses S. Grant on May 31, 1870.

The Enforcement Act of 1870 prohibited discrimination by state officials in voter registration on the basis of race, color, or previous condition of servitude. It established penalties for interfering with a person's right to vote and gave federal courts the power to enforce the act. The act also authorized the President to employ the use of the army to uphold the act and the use of federal marshals to bring charges against offenders for election fraud, the bribery or intimidation of voters, and conspiracies to prevent citizens from exercising their constitutional rights.

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