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JKOOLMUSIC

This "n word" and my "n word"

I am white.

I never use the word, really. Honestly. I knew of older white folks who used to use it in a bad way, most of them are dead now. Fuck them and their dead racist selves.

When did it become acceptable for Latinos to use the "n word" freely as a term of endearment or an identifier for their friends of any color? I know it is not a banned word. I know certain people think they are taking it back or changing its power through use but its such a divisive word. I know its a stupid, demeaning term literally based on an ignorant pronunciation of another derogatory word, meant to imply that humans are not equal based on pigmentation.

People have called me their n in the past - it is so painfully uncomfortable to react to someone using such an uncomfortable term in a friendly manner. I have had gay folks toss the f word around me too, equally uncomfortable. Is this meant to convey some of the negative experience on people like me as I know the word makes me so unhappy? I have been called whitey and cracker and shit like that in the past. Words do hurt.

Just now I was walking down the street and these young men (early 20s) both speaking Spanish and English, kept referring to the people as this n and that n and my n. It felt like almost every other wors they were saying. Is this a learned behavior meant to be provocative? Has the word finally lose most of its negative influence?
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Reply #1 posted 10/06/15 6:54pm

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JKOOLMUSIC said:

I am white. I never use the word, really. Honestly. I knew of older white folks who used to use it in a bad way, most of them are dead now. Fuck them and their dead racist selves. When did it become acceptable for Latinos to use the "n word" freely as a term of endearment or an identifier for their friends of any color? I know it is not a banned word. I know certain people think they are taking it back or changing its power through use but its such a divisive word. I know its a stupid, demeaning term literally based on an ignorant pronunciation of another derogatory word, meant to imply that humans are not equal based on pigmentation. People have called me their n in the past - it is so painfully uncomfortable to react to someone using such an uncomfortable term in a friendly manner. I have had gay folks toss the f word around me too, equally uncomfortable. Is this meant to convey some of the negative experience on people like me as I know the word makes me so unhappy? I have been called whitey and cracker and shit like that in the past. Words do hurt. Just now I was walking down the street and these young men (early 20s) both speaking Spanish and English, kept referring to the people as this n and that n and my n. It felt like almost every other wors they were saying. Is this a learned behavior meant to be provocative? Has the word finally lose most of its negative influence?

Latinos have use Ni&&a right along with Blacks at the same time

Many Latinos especially Puerto Rican and Dominican have very recent African ancestry

There are many Latinos who by the 'look' at not stereotypical Latino, they look more like their W African ancestors

In the NE Tri State area of the US especially NYC area Latino's came right up with Black Americans.

Dance / Rap / Graffiti Art / Style etc

It was never a big deal when a Black person and a Puerto Rican dated or married ( I don't think people considered it 'interracial dating/marriage'

I know many Puerto Ricans/Dominicans who identify as Black

2 famous ladies who identify as Black are actress Zoe Saldana(Dominican/PR) and news celeb María de la Soledad Teresa O’Brien whose mother is a Black identified Cuban and her father is Irish-Australian

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the use of NiGGa as a 'term of endearment' is 'wackado'

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Reply #2 posted 10/06/15 7:01pm

JKOOLMUSIC

That was so concise and perfect. Thank you cool People have integrated culturally in so many beautiful ways. Hopefully eventually generations will not even have these thoughts.
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Reply #3 posted 10/06/15 7:05pm

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I feel the word simply shouldn't be used at all unless for historical purposes or in old time literature. But hey, I'm a white guy, so what do I know?

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Reply #4 posted 10/06/15 7:42pm

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RenHoek said:

I feel the word simply shouldn't be used at all unless for historical purposes or in old time literature. But hey, I'm a white guy, so what do I know?

the problem is a large number of those 'affected' by that word accept a self made variation of it. I've heard it is a way of taking away the sting the Ni66er, by changing it to Ni66a and calling it a term of endearment. That word has spread around the world via the vehicle of Rap music. So people don't always know the difference world wide.

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Reply #5 posted 10/06/15 11:35pm

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some say the n-word "may express positive, neutral or negative attitudes;"

tombstone

imo n-word is a trash word. i've never used it. but hey some folk like talking and/or wallowing in trash.

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in conclusion: i try not to condemn in the midst of not condoning.

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Reply #6 posted 10/07/15 2:11am

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I am white but a guy I used to go out with was black (in fact, he still is). He was of the opinion that anybody ,black or white, can say anything they want. If he heard a white person say the n word he didn't care one way or another. A word is just a word. A word in itself can't be racist. It depends on how the word is used. Another guy I worked with, a Nigerian guy called Kingsley, thought the same way. In fact, now that I think about it, it's mostly the white people I know that have the strongest opinions on the whole n word debate. I wonder why that is?
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Reply #7 posted 10/07/15 7:07am

JKOOLMUSIC

EmmaMcG said:

I am white but a guy I used to go out with was black (in fact, he still is). He was of the opinion that anybody ,black or white, can say anything they want. If he heard a white person say the n word he didn't care one way or another. A word is just a word. A word in itself can't be racist. It depends on how the word is used. Another guy I worked with, a Nigerian guy called Kingsley, thought the same way. In fact, now that I think about it, it's mostly the white people I know that have the strongest opinions on the whole n word debate. I wonder why that is?

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It is a word that is prevalent in culture due to its history. As Luv4u demonstrated, people have been using it for quite some time now within their integrated social circles in a different manner than its origin. This excludes the group that had, I suppose, started the use of the word as an insulting, negative describer. Of course it would be confusing that there is an understood "pass" for certain cultures and an unclear/undefined "no pass" for others. From what I understand, even certain Asian hip hop performers use the word.

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http://www.asianhiphoptimes.com/blog/asians-and-the-n-word

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Here is a fascinating response from that conversation regarding Korean:

"I am korean as u guess. well even can u guess what ever.
well that koreans 'niga' or 'neega' is perfectly means 'you are' and it is a dialect of Gyeonggi-do , which means ' you ', cuz koreans speacks 'you' is 'neo' or 'nu' in standard language. whatever that Alex guy said its completely diffrent to say that word 니가 and nigga, well its not that much diffrent to say and u guys can trust it cuz i am korean and im leave in Gyeonggi-do and i was born here. anyway....well i think it is not that much serious topic. is it 1860c right now?"

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Reply #8 posted 10/07/15 8:10am

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I like the word. Use it in context. Fine.

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #9 posted 10/07/15 8:50am

TonyVanDam

All racial AND sexual slurs can not and should not be used under any circumstances. Slurs are "fighting words" and they will mostly like get you ass whipped. no no no!

Within my inner circle, I'm guilty as change for using the word "n***a" under the same context as Ice-T, Eddie Griffin, & 2pac: Never Ignorant, Getting Goals Accomplish. cool

And I might add another n-word to my everyday vocabulary: "Negus" mr.green
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Negus





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Reply #10 posted 10/07/15 9:12am

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Tell em Ice:

All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #11 posted 10/07/15 9:25am

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JKOOLMUSIC said:

I am white. I never use the word, really. Honestly. I knew of older white folks who used to use it in a bad way, most of them are dead now. Fuck them and their dead racist selves. When did it become acceptable for Latinos to use the "n word" freely as a term of endearment or an identifier for their friends of any color? I know it is not a banned word. I know certain people think they are taking it back or changing its power through use but its such a divisive word. I know its a stupid, demeaning term literally based on an ignorant pronunciation of another derogatory word, meant to imply that humans are not equal based on pigmentation. People have called me their n in the past - it is so painfully uncomfortable to react to someone using such an uncomfortable term in a friendly manner. I have had gay folks toss the f word around me too, equally uncomfortable. Is this meant to convey some of the negative experience on people like me as I know the word makes me so unhappy? I have been called whitey and cracker and shit like that in the past. Words do hurt. Just now I was walking down the street and these young men (early 20s) both speaking Spanish and English, kept referring to the people as this n and that n and my n. It felt like almost every other wors they were saying. Is this a learned behavior meant to be provocative? Has the word finally lose most of its negative influence?

Latinos have used Ni&&a right along with Blacks at the same time

Many Latinos especially Puerto Rican and Dominican have very recent African ancestry

There are many Latinos who by the 'look' at not stereotypical Latino, they look more like their W African ancestors

In the NE Tri State area of the US especially NYC area Latino's came right up with Black Americans.

Dance / Rap / Graffiti Art / Style etc

It was never a big deal when a Black person and a Puerto Rican dated or married ( I don't think people considered it 'interracial dating/marriage'

I know many Puerto Ricans/Dominicans who identify as Black

2 famous ladies who identify as Black are actress Zoe Saldana(Dominican/PR) and news celeb María de la Soledad Teresa O’Brien whose mother is a Black identified Cuban and her father is Irish-Australian

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the use of NiGGa as a 'term of endearment' is 'wackado'

That's pretty much it. I grew up in the South Bronx and we considered latinos our blood brothers & sisters. We hung with/went to school with/dated each other. The latinos I knew always embraced their African ancestry. Shit, some Puerto-Rican cats had a bigger 'fro than I did back in the day.

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JKOOLMUSIC said:

EmmaMcG said:

I am white but a guy I used to go out with was black (in fact, he still is). He was of the opinion that anybody ,black or white, can say anything they want. If he heard a white person say the n word he didn't care one way or another. A word is just a word. A word in itself can't be racist. It depends on how the word is used. Another guy I worked with, a Nigerian guy called Kingsley, thought the same way. In fact, now that I think about it, it's mostly the white people I know that have the strongest opinions on the whole n word debate. I wonder why that is?

.

It is a word that is prevalent in culture due to its history. As Luv4u demonstrated, people have been using it for quite some time now within their integrated social circles in a different manner than its origin. This excludes the group that had, I suppose, started the use of the word as an insulting, negative describer. Of course it would be confusing that there is an understood "pass" for certain cultures and an unclear/undefined "no pass" for others. From what I understand, even certain Asian hip hop performers use the word.

.

http://www.asianhiphoptimes.com/blog/asians-and-the-n-word

.

Here is a fascinating response from that conversation regarding Korean:

"I am korean as u guess. well even can u guess what ever.
well that koreans 'niga' or 'neega' is perfectly means 'you are' and it is a dialect of Gyeonggi-do , which means ' you ', cuz koreans speacks 'you' is 'neo' or 'nu' in standard language. whatever that Alex guy said its completely diffrent to say that word 니가 and nigga, well its not that much diffrent to say and u guys can trust it cuz i am korean and im leave in Gyeonggi-do and i was born here. anyway....well i think it is not that much serious topic. is it 1860c right now?"


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Reply #13 posted 10/07/15 4:59pm

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Sorry but Latinos using it is just about as equal as a white guy using it or even a black guy. Usually they are poor and not well educated and just trying to fit in with their homies. You find the word being used in ghettos all over the U.S. (black, white, hispanic, etc.). It is a word prevalent in hip-hop culture. And if you are cool, you are using this word. So in that sense it has totally lost it's negative meaning. There are still people who use it in the derogatory fashion but I find it is mostly small town white folks who live in the country and have never really been exposed to living around other cultures. They use it mostly because they are ignorant of the history of the word. There is also this use of the word:

but what does a cracker like me know anyway

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Reply #14 posted 10/07/15 5:11pm

JKOOLMUSIC

Oops got my mods mixed up.
Y'all don't look alike either, there are 4s involved and it was pretty early4me lol meant OldFriends4Sale 1st reply.
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Reply #15 posted 10/07/15 5:36pm

JKOOLMUSIC

2freaky, Ice Cube made a great tune over a Pfunk track that also put forth a convincing argument for the word. Its another interesting paradigm of that particular word... its culturally accepted presence in music. Its something, not sure exactly what though, that rap tunes that include and exclude the word can be equally powerful in message. Also that basically only tunes that are or include raps use it mostly, its rarely in the lyrics of r&b songs for instance.
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Reply #16 posted 10/07/15 7:39pm

EroticDreamer

I've heard it used in friendship and, of course, as an insult.

Example B:

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https://www.youtube.com/w...zgMSk1UDaw

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Reply #17 posted 10/08/15 9:28am

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3rdeyedude said:

Sorry but Latinos using it is just about as equal as a white guy using it or even a black guy. Usually they are poor and not well educated and just trying to fit in with their homies. You find the word being used in ghettos all over the U.S. (black, white, hispanic, etc.). It is a word prevalent in hip-hop culture. And if you are cool, you are using this word. So in that sense it has totally lost it's negative meaning. There are still people who use it in the derogatory fashion but I find it is mostly small town white folks who live in the country and have never really been exposed to living around other cultures. They use it mostly because they are ignorant of the history of the word. There is also this use of the word:

but what does a cracker like me know anyway

Chris Rock is awesome and hella smart too.

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Reply #18 posted 10/08/15 4:33pm

luvsexy4all

just say n..er ...dont use either term

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Reply #19 posted 10/08/15 7:01pm

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There is a time and a place for everything.

Make it so, Number One...
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Reply #20 posted 10/09/15 12:43pm

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As long as Ni66a is used as a term of endearement and used anywhere/everywhere

any respectful move at disabling racial slurs will be silly

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A Liar Shall Not Tarry In My Presence

What's the matter with your life
Is poverty bringing U down?
Is the mailman jerking U 'round?
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Reply #21 posted 10/10/15 3:44pm

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Empress said:



3rdeyedude said:


Sorry but Latinos using it is just about as equal as a white guy using it or even a black guy. Usually they are poor and not well educated and just trying to fit in with their homies. You find the word being used in ghettos all over the U.S. (black, white, hispanic, etc.). It is a word prevalent in hip-hop culture. And if you are cool, you are using this word. So in that sense it has totally lost it's negative meaning. There are still people who use it in the derogatory fashion but I find it is mostly small town white folks who live in the country and have never really been exposed to living around other cultures. They use it mostly because they are ignorant of the history of the word. There is also this use of the word:





but what does a cracker like me know anyway



Chris Rock is awesome and hella smart too.




That whole bit reminds me of summin my dad used to say...

"Niggas and flies, I despise
The more I see niggas, the more I like flies"
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