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SoulAlive

Romney delivers an economic speech and very few people show up to hear it

Trying optics at Romney event

falloff look at all those empty seats!!

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Reply #1 posted 02/27/12 4:34am

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Trying optics at Romney event

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Detroit (CNN) – When Mitt Romney delivered his much-hyped speech here Friday on his plans to fix the economy, much of the buzz surrounding the event focused on anything but economics.

The optics of Romney's speech, hosted and organized by the Detroit Economic Club, were not ideal for a campaign meticulous about image control.

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Weeks ago the economic club moved Romney's speech to the cavernous Detroit landmark Ford Field after the campaign said a smaller venue quickly reached capacity. But the audience of 1,200 seated on the AstroTurf in the football stadium appeared dwarfed by the 65,000 seats arcing above them on all sides.

"I guess we had a hard time finding a large enough place to meet," Romney said during his speech. "And this certainly is."

Laughter and applause from the audience were swallowed up in the giant venue, which made the response appear muted to those seated inside.

At one point Romney seemed to reference the quiet after he was asked whether he was the best candidate to challenge President Barack Obama.

"I not only think I have the best chance, I think I have the only chance. Maybe I'm overstating it a little bit," he said laughing. And he encouraged the audience to applaud by pointing out: "I, uh, that's my family leading the applause down here."

Later, Romney made an offhand remark that seemed to broadcast his wealth. A Michigander by birth, Romney told the audience he drove cars manufactured in Detroit.

"I drive a Mustang and a Chevy pickup truck," he said. "Ann drives a couple of Cadillacs actually, and I used to have a Dodge truck, so I used to have all three covered."

A campaign spokesman said Ann Romney owns two Cadillac SRXs and keeps one at each of the family's two homes. The 2012 SRX model sells for between $35,000 and $49,000.

In his speech, Romney highlighted a tax plan, outlined earlier this week, that would cut marginal tax rates for individuals by 20%.

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Reply #2 posted 02/27/12 4:36am

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Mitt Romney's economic speech falls flat at near-empty stadium

Romney fails to elaborate on his 20% tax cut in awkward speech setting where he let slip another gaffe about his wealth

Mitt Romney speaks at Ford Field
Members of the Detroit Economic club gather to hear a speech by Mitt Romney at Ford Field in Detroit. Photograph: Scott Olson/Getty Images

Republican frontrunner Mitt Romney's much-heralded economic speech flopped Friday, overshadowed by a gaffe over luxury Cadillacs and his choice of an over-ambitious venue, the Detroit Lions' football field.

Romney opened himself up to derision for choosing a 70,000-seat stadium which attracted just over 1,000 people, many of them school children bussed in to help fill out the crowd, tucked into a corner of the astro-turf pitch.

The small crowd underlined again his inability to draw large numbers of supporters and to excite the conservative base.

The speech too turned out to be a flop. Having been hyped by his campaign staff all week, Romney had little new to say, particulary about how he planned to pay for the 20% tax cuts he announced earlier in the week.

It will be the picture of the near-empty stadium, contrasting with a much f...ampaigning in February 2008, that will be remembered.

The organisers, defending the venue, said that the original location had been filled within 90 minutes of the speech being announced so they had looked for an alternative, opting for Ford Field.

Romney commented on the vast stadium as began his speech. "I want to thank the folks at the Ford Field for making this space available for us," he said. "I guess we had a hard time finding a large enough place to meet and this certainly is."

Highlighting the smallness of the crowd, his words echoed round the empty stadium seats. He was not helped by the near-silence, winning only an occasional round of applause. At one point, having made a joke about the reluctance of children to leave home, only a handful of people in the audience laughed, an embarrassing response that the empty stadium amplified.

Political opponents quickly waded in. Obama's campaign adviser, David Axelrod, in a tweet, wrote: "Judging from pictures, looks like Mitt pinned himself in inside the 20."

After delivering his speech, Romney made a throwaway remark about cars that will be replayed when the speech itself will have been long forgotten.

In an attempt to ingratiate himself in the motor capital of America and undo some of the damage caused by a call in 2008 to let the car industry go bankrupt rather than be bailed out by the federal government, he listed cars owned by himself and his wife Ann.

He would be a president who loves cars, he said. "I like the fact that most of the cars I see are Detroit-made automobiles. I drive a Mustang and a Chevy pick-up truck. Ann drives a couple of Cadillacs, actually. And I used to have a Dodge truck, so I used to have all three covered."

The remark, in an unscripted moment, will add to the image of Romney as so wealthy he can talk casually about his wife having not one but two Cadillacs. Although two cars are not unusual in American homes, two luxury Cadillacs, which range in price from $35,000 upwards, are not.

It is a mistake on par with his $10,000 bet in a televised debate with Texas governor Rick Perry.

Romney's fumble came on a day in which there was some solace in the polls, with two showing him overtaking rival Rick Santorum in Michigan ahead of the Tuesday primary. A Mitchell Research-Rosetta Stone survey put him on 36%, Santorum 33%, Ron Paul 12% and Newt Gingrich 9%. A Rasmussen poll put Romney on 40%, Santorum 34%, Paul 10% and Gingrich 9%.

Romney's team had billed the Detroit speech as a major economic one that would build on the 20% tax cuts he promised earlier in the week. But he had almost nothing new to say.

He described it as a "bold conservative plan" but failed, in the face of much scepticism about his tax cuts, to say how he planned to pay for them. The one new line was that he planned to raise the age for Medicare from 65.

He reiterated he would balance the budget by handing over many federal programmes, such as Medicare and distribution of food stamps, to states, who he claimed would handle them more efficiently. He would cut subsidies to rail provider Amtrak and groups such as Planned Parenthood.

He has said most of this before. As for the question of how to cut tax and balance the budget, he opted for vagueness rather than detail, saying that if he was president, he would order every federal programme to be scrutinised to see whether it was worth borrowing from the Chinese to support.

[Edited 2/27/12 4:38am]

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Reply #3 posted 02/27/12 4:40am

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Romney’s Stadium Speech...ch In 2008

At this very moment, Mitt Romney is holding an event at Ford Stadium which has failed to attract enough people to come even close to filling it up (in fact, you could fit Romney’s 1,200 person crowd in the 65,000-seat stadium 54 times over). His campaign scrambled to make the event look as full as possible, but largely failed. Photo via Byron York:

Meanwhile, during the same period in the campaign four years ago, President Obama held a rally at the massive XL Center in Hartford, Connecticut that attracted a few more people (the center is much smaller, with a capacity of about 16,000). A photo of the February 4th, 2008 rally via the blog Levers and Pulleys (click on image for full size version):

Update

Two more Obama stadium rallies from February, 2008 via the Obama Flickr page. This one in Madison, Wisconsin on the 12th:

And Cincinnati, Ohio on the 25th:

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Reply #4 posted 02/27/12 4:44am

SoulAlive

Mitt Romney the most lackluster candidate in this race.He generates about as much excitement and enthusiasm as Dan Quayle lol

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Reply #5 posted 02/27/12 8:56am

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HAHAHAHAHA! What a debacle these Republican primaries have become

[Edited 2/27/12 8:57am]

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Reply #6 posted 02/27/12 9:28am

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SoulAlive said:

Mitt Romney the most lackluster candidate in this race.He generates about as much excitement and enthusiasm as Dan Quayle lol

lol He's his biggest problem. He comes off as so inauthentic and robotic that its a turn off from his own party. I stand to see the man walk. It's as if he has a broomstick up his butt. So programmed, so calculated.

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Reply #7 posted 02/27/12 9:31am

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rudedog said:

HAHAHAHAHA! What a debacle these Republican primaries have become

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i know it's so much fun to watch. sun

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Reply #8 posted 02/27/12 9:32am

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rudedog said:

HAHAHAHAHA! What a debacle these Republican primaries have become

[Edited 2/27/12 8:57am]

lol They got cocky after their wins in 2010 (which was more of reflection of the country's patience wearing thin about the economy). They can thank their "strong tea party support" for that debacle. Moderate has become a dirty, unpatriotic word because of them. So delusional.

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Reply #9 posted 02/27/12 9:43am

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Friday at Noon, mostly filled with people who took a long lunch to watch the event that was moved to a larger venue due to demand. A larger venue that seats over 60,000.

Not a bunch of layed off union workers and non-working students who were bussed in from neighboring states. Seated around to make it look like they filled a stadium that seats 16,000.

This story is media bias at it's finest. I expect it from Politico, but from the major news outlets???

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Musicslave said:

rudedog said:

HAHAHAHAHA! What a debacle these Republican primaries have become

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lol They got cocky after their wins in 2010 (which was more of reflection of the country's patience wearing thin about the economy). They can thank their "strong tea party support" for that debacle. Moderate has become a dirty, unpatriotic word because of them. So delusional.

Not to mention, ppl who DID vote them in, don't like their own elected officials. Nor are there elected officials passing any kind of legislation to help rebuild the economy. JUST social issues, while there is a small, loyal social conservative base, the majority of conservatives don't care for the Culture Wars Republicans are bringing on. The GOP is becoming extinct. Thats the only reason they are moving towards extremism, that's their only hope.

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Reply #11 posted 02/27/12 9:49am

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Dauphin said:

Friday at Noon, mostly filled with people who took a long lunch to watch the event that was moved to a larger venue due to demand. A larger venue that seats over 60,000.

Not a bunch of layed off union workers and non-working students who were bussed in from neighboring states. Seated around to make it look like they filled a stadium that seats 16,000.

This story is media bias at it's finest. I expect it from Politico, but from the major news outlets???

HAHAHAHAHA! Doesn't matter if it was Romney's campaign or the lack of Romney's supporters. You don't rent out a stadium if you don't plan on filling it. It just looks bad and what's stupid is that his campaign manager did not see the obviousness of this. Anyone in marketing knows not to do this.

There are plenty of venues in Detroit that would have made 1200 people look a little better, but
a frigging football stadium??? They've had the Super Bowl there; the Final Four there

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Reply #12 posted 02/27/12 10:27am

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I dont listen to too much talk radio

but i did hear that the "secret service" made Romney move the venue to this site .

so it really wasnt his chosen place to make this speech .

I hadnt heard about it at this point ... when I heard this ... so I really wasnt listening for the story , but I just heard more today ...

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Dauphin said:

Friday at Noon, mostly filled with people who took a long lunch to watch the event that was moved to a larger venue due to demand. A larger venue that seats over 60,000.

Not a bunch of layed off union workers and non-working students who were bussed in from neighboring states. Seated around to make it look like they filled a stadium that seats 16,000.

This story is media bias at it's finest. I expect it from Politico, but from the major news outlets???

From the second post:

Romney opened himself up to derision for choosing a 70,000-seat stadium which attracted just over 1,000 people, many of them school children bussed in to help fill out the crowd, tucked into a corner of the astro-turf pitch.

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Reply #14 posted 02/27/12 2:28pm

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He is winning...

He is losing...

How does that work?

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Reply #15 posted 02/27/12 2:38pm

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RodeoSchro said:

Dauphin said:

Friday at Noon, mostly filled with people who took a long lunch to watch the event that was moved to a larger venue due to demand. A larger venue that seats over 60,000.

Not a bunch of layed off union workers and non-working students who were bussed in from neighboring states. Seated around to make it look like they filled a stadium that seats 16,000.

This story is media bias at it's finest. I expect it from Politico, but from the major news outlets???

From the second post:

Romney opened himself up to derision for choosing a 70,000-seat stadium which attracted just over 1,000 people, many of them school children bussed in to help fill out the crowd, tucked into a corner of the astro-turf pitch.

Oh, who cares about that one little fact lol

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Reply #16 posted 02/27/12 3:12pm

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RodeoSchro said:

Dauphin said:

Friday at Noon, mostly filled with people who took a long lunch to watch the event that was moved to a larger venue due to demand. A larger venue that seats over 60,000.

Not a bunch of layed off union workers and non-working students who were bussed in from neighboring states. Seated around to make it look like they filled a stadium that seats 16,000.

This story is media bias at it's finest. I expect it from Politico, but from the major news outlets???

From the second post:

Romney opened himself up to derision for choosing a 70,000-seat stadium which attracted just over 1,000 people, many of them school children bussed in to help fill out the crowd, tucked into a corner of the astro-turf pitch.

Ahhhahahhahahaha!!! Too funny man!

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Reply #17 posted 02/27/12 6:43pm

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To be perfectly fair, 1000-1200 is a good attendence number. For a boiler plate speech to a partisan economic special interest group. (If not during campaign season, this would've been a decent payday of a speaking fee.) It was originally booked for the Ford Field Atrium, which makes sense.

But once they had to move it the football field itself, Mittens was doomed to lose a potential primary game changer opportunity for himself since they've been hyping up that economic speech* as a big deal, his rhetorical answer to Obamas' anti-rich crusade. Instead the story became doomed Visual Politics, adding to this image out there that Mittens has everything a campaign could hope for, except a candidate worth a crap. I give them credit for doing lots of work in trying to polish a turd. From his position, nobody can win that newscycle.

Dauphin - Absolutely rich for someone to whine about a candidate busing in kids to a rally when they're doing it in Romney's defense. What next, how dare Santorum making pragmatic then practical political calls while he was in office?

*=Not read or watched said speech, but David Frum obviously was angered by it. And Frum is supposed to be one of your ideological tax/economic foot soldiers. Go read up his "review" of the Mittens speech, how Romney has ditched his detailed economic plan from last year in favor of stroking off the GOP base. Which is good maybe for this week's primary, but what about months from now?

Unless of course, he's already written off Michigan?

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Reply #18 posted 02/27/12 11:36pm

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Fucking hell http://imgur.com/a/2wEqJ#dpqFf eek

[Edited 2/27/12 23:40pm]

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Reply #19 posted 02/28/12 4:27am

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rudedog said:



RodeoSchro said:




Dauphin said:


Friday at Noon, mostly filled with people who took a long lunch to watch the event that was moved to a larger venue due to demand. A larger venue that seats over 60,000.



Not a bunch of layed off union workers and non-working students who were bussed in from neighboring states. Seated around to make it look like they filled a stadium that seats 16,000.



This story is media bias at it's finest. I expect it from Politico, but from the major news outlets???





From the second post:




Romney opened himself up to derision for choosing a 70,000-seat stadium which attracted just over 1,000 people, many of them school children bussed in to help fill out the crowd, tucked into a corner of the astro-turf pitch.




Ahhhahahhahahaha!!! Too funny man!



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Dauphin said:

rudedog said:

Ahhhahahhahahaha!!! Too funny man!

Those are true blue American children. Not socialist communist pinkos!

falloff LOL, awesome!

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Reply #21 posted 02/28/12 5:11am

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DarlingDiana said:

Fucking hell http://imgur.com/a/2wEqJ#dpqFf eek

[Edited 2/27/12 23:40pm]

All that matters is how many people vote, not how many people show up for a speech.

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Dauphin said:

rudedog said:

Ahhhahahhahahaha!!! Too funny man!

Those are true blue American children. Not socialist communist pinkos!

I know. If you look closely, you can see that each of them has a bible, a gun, and an American flag in their hands. Now that's true blue American for ya......... biggrin

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13cjk13 said:

Dauphin said:

rudedog said: Those are true blue American children. Not socialist communist pinkos!

I know. If you look closely, you can see that each of them has a bible, a gun, and an American flag in their hands. Now that's true blue American for ya......... biggrin

Yee haw!!!

Well, I'm going to break character to admit that I was just repeating things I heard on talk radio, blog comments, amoungst fellow "conservatives" in the state, etc. I am just amazed at how many apologists for Romney there are. I am starting to believe that he will be the GOP nominee, even if he's not popular at all. We're looking at another McCain, and that menas things look good for President Obama.

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Dauphin said:

13cjk13 said:

I know. If you look closely, you can see that each of them has a bible, a gun, and an American flag in their hands. Now that's true blue American for ya......... biggrin

Yee haw!!!

Well, I'm going to break character to admit that I was just repeating things I heard on talk radio, blog comments, amoungst fellow "conservatives" in the state, etc. I am just amazed at how many apologists for Romney there are. I am starting to believe that he will be the GOP nominee, even if he's not popular at all. We're looking at another McCain, and that menas things look good for President Obama.

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Reply #25 posted 02/28/12 2:22pm

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RodeoSchro said:

DarlingDiana said:

Fucking hell http://imgur.com/a/2wEqJ#dpqFf eek

[Edited 2/27/12 23:40pm]

All that matters is how many people vote, not how many people show up for a speech.

I disagree. Those 4000+ people who showed up to hear Ron Paul speak were taught something. Many of them had a personal revolution that day. Ron Paul and members of his campaign staff has repeatedly referred to his campaign as an educational campaign. So it matters so much more that 4000+ people, young people at that, show up to hear him speak. I think what the recent images from Michigan show us is that the revolution is alive and well, it doesn't have to translate into votes because this isn't necessarily about getting someone elected. This is about promoting a cause, spreading a message. I think it's wonderful to see these pictures and videos coming out of Michigan. Who has really won in that state? On a long term level? I think it's Ron Paul and the cause of liberty.

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DarlingDiana said:

RodeoSchro said:

All that matters is how many people vote, not how many people show up for a speech.

I disagree. Those 4000+ people who showed up to hear Ron Paul speak were taught something. Many of them had a personal revolution that day. Ron Paul and members of his campaign staff has repeatedly referred to his campaign as an educational campaign. So it matters so much more that 4000+ people, young people at that, show up to hear him speak. I think what the recent images from Michigan show us is that the revolution is alive and well, it doesn't have to translate into votes because this isn't necessarily about getting someone elected. This is about promoting a cause, spreading a message. I think it's wonderful to see these pictures and videos coming out of Michigan. Who has really won in that state? On a long term level? I think it's Ron Paul and the cause of liberty.

I'm sorry, the way you guys go on about him is like he's a saint, a god or Kim Jong Il. I'm not saying he doesn't have some good ideas, but just cause he has a philosophy and some ppl agree doesn't make it, the ONLY thing ppl should be even thinking about. The solution to every problem!!

There are a lot of flaws in his philosophy and his sons that really scare Americans and they should.

That's nice you care about him so much, but that kind of love and adoration seems to be reserved for dictators and totalitarians.I mean, call me an Obama asskisser all you want, i hardly consider him the best thing since sliced bread. He's done a lot good, and some bad. I would never think any politician is perfect, you guys seem to.

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rudedog said:

DarlingDiana said:

I disagree. Those 4000+ people who showed up to hear Ron Paul speak were taught something. Many of them had a personal revolution that day. Ron Paul and members of his campaign staff has repeatedly referred to his campaign as an educational campaign. So it matters so much more that 4000+ people, young people at that, show up to hear him speak. I think what the recent images from Michigan show us is that the revolution is alive and well, it doesn't have to translate into votes because this isn't necessarily about getting someone elected. This is about promoting a cause, spreading a message. I think it's wonderful to see these pictures and videos coming out of Michigan. Who has really won in that state? On a long term level? I think it's Ron Paul and the cause of liberty.

I'm sorry, the way you guys go on about him is like he's a saint, a god or Kim Jong Il. I'm not saying he doesn't have some good ideas, but just cause he has a philosophy and some ppl agree doesn't make it, the ONLY thing ppl should be even thinking about. The solution to every problem!!

There are a lot of flaws in his philosophy and his sons that really scare Americans and they should.

That's nice you care about him so much, but that kind of love and adoration seems to be reserved for dictators and totalitarians.I mean, call me an Obama asskisser all you want, i hardly consider him the best thing since sliced bread. He's done a lot good, and some bad. I would never think any politician is perfect, you guys seem to.

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Classic projection. Because this is how you think/thought about Obama. Read it as written and you'll see I talked about the message of liberty, not Ron Paul. It's not about electing someone to office, as I said. It's about a message, as I said. That's why I think these crowds are 4000x more important than the primary straw votes. It would do you good to re-read my post. It's like you wrote your reply before you read what I actually said, if you read what I actually said.

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Reply #28 posted 02/28/12 8:53pm

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Oh my gosh. If this is how Paul supporters plan on spinning every loss of his from now to November, this will be one slow election season.
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I disagree. Those 4000+ people who showed up to hear Ron Paul speak were taught something. Many of them had a personal revolution that day. Ron Paul and members of his campaign staff has repeatedly referred to his campaign as an educational campaign. So it matters so much more that 4000+ people, young people at that, show up to hear him speak. I think what the recent images from Michigan show us is that the revolution is alive and well, it doesn't have to translate into votes because this isn't necessarily about getting someone elected. This is about promoting a cause, spreading a message. I think it's wonderful to see these pictures and videos coming out of Michigan. Who has really won in that state? On a long term level? I think it's Ron Paul and the cause of liberty.

Classic projection. Because this is how you think/thought about Obama. Read it as written and you'll see I talked about the message of liberty, not Ron Paul. It's not about electing someone to office, as I said. It's about a message, as I said. That's why I think these crowds are 4000x more important than the primary straw votes. It would do you good to re-read my post. It's like you wrote your reply before you read what I actually said, if you read what I actually said.

No, i read all your post. I'll highlight my concerns since you think I didn't read your post. Like I said, i like Obama, I think he's looking out for more ppl's liberties and rights than Paul does. You, of course, see it MUCH differently. That's fine, we disagree on it. Thing is, you use a lot of hero-worshipping lingo. 'Education campaign'? Come on, so everyone else is wrong and Paul is right. But that's not too bad, however...REVOLUTION is. THat's fine, that it's a long term philosophy (even though the person that started this so called 'revolution' ended up giving up on it). Ron Paul and the Cause of Liberty are in the same sentence DD. Keep downplaying what you said, but that's the truth.

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