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Lawsuit Claims Obama Can’t Be President Because He’s Black.

Has anyone seen this? I feel as if I'm living in a nighmare and can't wake up.

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If there is silver lining in the greasy dark cloud that right wing politics has become it’s that the Right has dropped any and all pretense. We knew, years ago, that the fight over abortion was really about contraception for women. Rick Santorum and his fellow candidates have been kind enough to drag that one kicking and screaming into the light for all to behold. But more importantly, the core of pure racism that the GOP has thrived on for half a century has cracked the paper thin veneer of respectability conservatives have carefully constructed. With the election of a black man to the White House, that racial hatred has come pouring out so fast it’s almost impossible to imagine that only four years ago, people were referring to America as a post-racial country.

Not even close.

The biggest clue? Birtherism. The various legal shenanigans attempted by Birthers all boil down to one very simple premise: Obama cannot be president of the United States because he’s black. Period. Questioning his birth certificate. Questioning whether having an African father makes him not an American citizen. Always some new “question” as to his legitimacy as president. All of these are just window dressing. The problem is, and always has been, he’s black.

Well, at least one Alaskan (no, it’s not Palin) has decided to just go ahead and say.


Earlier this week, Gordon Warren Epperly filed a lawsuit to have Obama removed from the November ballot. His (rather brazen) reasoning?

Barack Hussein Obama II, a.k.a. Barack Hussein Obama, a.ka. Barack H. Obama has the race status of being a “mulatto.” Barack Obama’s father (Barack Hussein Obama I) was a full blood Negro being born Nyang’oma Kogelo, Nyanza Province, Kenya and raised in the Colony of Kenya. Barack Obama’s mother (Stanley Ann Dunham) was a white Caucasian woman being born in Wichita, Kansas on November 29, 1942 and raised in the state of Washington and in the state of Hawaii.

As stated above, for an Individual to be a candidate for the office of president of the United States, the candidate must meet the qualifications set forth in the United States Constitution and one of those qualifications is that the Candidate shall be a “natural born citizen” of the United States. As Barack Hussein Obama II is of the “mulatto” race, his status of citizenship is founded upon the Fourteenth Amendment to the United States Constitution. Before the [purported] ratification of the Fourteenth Amendment, the race of “Negro” or “mulatto” had no standing to be citizens of the United States under the United States Constitution.


As the fourteenth amendment is only a grant of “civil rights” and not a grant of “political rights” Barack Hussein Obama II does not have and “political rights” under any provision of the United States Constitution to hold any Public Office of the United States government.

So, because President Obama is half-black, or more crassly, a Mulatto, he has no “political rights” under the Constitution. This would also include, by the way, the right to vote, the right to peaceably assemble, etc.


Such honesty is refreshing, really. Of course, Mr. Epperly goes into the grand conspiracy of the mysterious birth certificate, but the main thrust of his argument is that black people are not real Americans. It’s about time a conservative just came out and admitted it. Don’t be fooled by right wing protestations of it being an ISOLATED INCIDENT, this is how they think. America, to them, is a White (not white, White) Christian nation that is theirs by right. Obama is just a black usurper. Who do you think they’re talking about when they scream “I want my country back!”?

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noimageatall said:

Has anyone seen this? I feel as if I'm living in a nighmare and can't wake up.

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Such honesty is refreshing, really. Of course, Mr. Epperly goes into the grand conspiracy of the mysterious birth certificate, but the main thrust of his argument is that black people are not real Americans. It’s about time a conservative just came out and admitted it. Don’t be fooled by right wing protestations of it being an ISOLATED INCIDENT, this is how they think. America, to them, is a White (not white, White) Christian nation that is theirs by right. Obama is just a black usurper. Who do you think they’re talking about when they scream “I want my country back!”?

http://current.com/1rhb4kc

More than Mr. Epperly's ignorance what I find really scary is the people who write this things and those who distribute it

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PANDURITO said:

noimageatall said:

Has anyone seen this? I feel as if I'm living in a nighmare and can't wake up.

confused

More than Mr. Epperly's ignorance what I find really scary is the people who write this things and those who distribute it

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PANDURITO said:

noimageatall said:

Has anyone seen this? I feel as if I'm living in a nighmare and can't wake up.

confused

More than Mr. Epperly's ignorance what I find really scary is the people who write this things and those who distribute it

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Reply #4 posted 02/25/12 4:52am

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So both of you really believe this is how all conservatives think?

"the main thrust of his argument is that black people are not real Americans"

"It’s about time a conservative just came out and admitted it"

"Don’t be fooled by right wing protestations of it being an ISOLATED INCIDENT, this is how they think"

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PANDURITO said:

So both of you really believe this is how all conservatives think?

"the main thrust of his argument is that black people are not real Americans"

"It’s about time a conservative just came out and admitted it"

"Don’t be fooled by right wing protestations of it being an ISOLATED INCIDENT, this is how they think"

Yep. Every single one of them thinks exactly like that. They are not individuals. They all think the exact same way.

lol

I don't agree with that part of the article, but it is quite shocking to read.

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Reply #6 posted 02/25/12 7:28am

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PANDURITO said:

So both of you really believe this is how all conservatives think?

"the main thrust of his argument is that black people are not real Americans"

"It’s about time a conservative just came out and admitted it"

"Don’t be fooled by right wing protestations of it being an ISOLATED INCIDENT, this is how they think"

Seriously, and I'm not trying to be funny about this yes I think that's what a large majority of what conservatives think.

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ButterscotchPimp said:

PANDURITO said:

So both of you really believe this is how all conservatives think?

"the main thrust of his argument is that black people are not real Americans"

"It’s about time a conservative just came out and admitted it"

"Don’t be fooled by right wing protestations of it being an ISOLATED INCIDENT, this is how they think"

Seriously, and I'm not trying to be funny about this yes I think that's what a large majority of what conservatives think.

Of course it is.

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Reply #8 posted 02/25/12 8:22am

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America is going to hell. Oh wait, isn't it already there?

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Reply #9 posted 02/25/12 8:36am

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yeah ONE crazy racist that no one has ever heard of and holds not public office speaks for all conservatives!

as i have said many times: the birthers are the same as: truthers, or moonies, or any number of conspiracy theorists.

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I regularly see racism mixed in with conservative ideology in the online forums. It gets pretty vicious -- referring to Michelle as a monkey, or Obama as 'ghetto', etc. So, yes, it's not too much of a stretch to say this guy is representative. Fairness, justice, compassion, honesty, integrity...none of these qualities are what conservatives are known for.

And Santorum's surge and popularity confirms that, in its current iteration, the GOP isn't interested in moderation. Who does he think he is, anyway? Example: Using contraception is counter to the way things are supposed to be? Excuse me? The next step in that line of thinking is that man has the right to impregnate (against her will) any woman because his urges are 'natural'. What an idiot!

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NiceNBreezy said:

I regularly see racism mixed in with conservative ideology in the online forums. It gets pretty vicious -- referring to Michelle as a monkey, or Obama as 'ghetto', etc. So, yes, it's not too much of a stretch to say this guy is representative. Fairness, justice, compassion, honesty, integrity...none of these qualities are what conservatives are known for.

And Santorum's surge and popularity confirms that, in its current iteration, the GOP isn't interested in moderation. Who does he think he is, anyway? Example: Using contraception is counter to the way things are supposed to be? Excuse me? The next step in that line of thinking is that man has the right to impregnate (against her will) any woman because his urges are 'natural'. What an idiot!

I've seen the same things. And evidence much closer to home...my father and uncle and my father's girlfriend are PROUD tea-party members, Repubs, and conservatives. They are all openly racist and are still spouting the birth certificate bullshit. They think Santorum is some kind of hero or savior. disbelief

The reasons people would vote for any of the GOP candidates are absurd and frightening to me.

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noimageatall said:

NiceNBreezy said:

I regularly see racism mixed in with conservative ideology in the online forums.

I've seen the same things.

And why liberal progressive people like you both would frequent racist conservative forums escapes me

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Reply #13 posted 02/26/12 5:08am

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Doesn't the ignorant racist fool realize that indians were the first native inhabitants of the USA

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Reply #14 posted 02/26/12 5:23am

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Dewrede said:

Doesn't the ignorant racist fool realize that indians were the first native inhabitants of the USA

You said indians

How conservative! smile

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PANDURITO said:

noimageatall said:

I've seen the same things.

And why liberal progressive people like you both would frequent racist conservative forums escapes me

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To know exactly who the enemy is, I suppose. Or, just sick, morbid curiosity. biggrin

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Reply #16 posted 02/26/12 8:27am

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Welcome 2 the good ole USA.

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Welcome 2 the good ole USA.

Land of the free. wink

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falloff Well, at least he's giving his real reason for not wanting Obama as president instead of making something else up to cover up his real reason. The rest of the conservatives should give their real reason too and it would make things a lot easier. If you hate him because he's black, just go ahead and say it. Stop all the covering up.

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NiceNBreezy said:

I regularly see racism mixed in with conservative ideology in the online forums. It gets pretty vicious -- referring to Michelle as a monkey, or Obama as 'ghetto', etc. So, yes, it's not too much of a stretch to say this guy is representative. Fairness, justice, compassion, honesty, integrity...none of these qualities are what conservatives are known for.

And Santorum's surge and popularity confirms that, in its current iteration, the GOP isn't interested in moderation. Who does he think he is, anyway? Example: Using contraception is counter to the way things are supposed to be? Excuse me? The next step in that line of thinking is that man has the right to impregnate (against her will) any woman because his urges are 'natural'. What an idiot!

Them referring to Michelle as a monkey doesn't surprise me because racists have always said things like that. That's openly racist right there and no way of getting around it. But the "in" thing for them to do these days is disguise their racism with something else so it doesn't look like they are racist. But for anyone to think that Obama is ghetto is a whole new kind of stupid. The man wears suits and ties, carries himself as a professional, and is very well educated and speaks clearly. If Obama is ghetto then what black person isn't? They aren't doing a very good job at hiding their racism if they think that Obama, of all people, is ghetto. lol

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13cjk13 said:

PANDURITO said:

And why liberal progressive people like you both would frequent racist conservative forums escapes me

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To know exactly who the enemy is, I suppose. Or, just sick, morbid curiosity. biggrin

I lurk over at some of those forums sometimes to get a good laugh because the comments are so stupid they are hilarious. lol

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Reply #21 posted 02/26/12 5:19pm

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vainandy said:

falloff Well, at least he's giving his real reason for not wanting Obama as president instead of making something else up to cover up his real reason. The rest of the conservatives should give their real reason too and it would make things a lot easier. If you hate him because he's black, just go ahead and say it. Stop all the covering up.

Thanks noimageatall for posting, and I hear you Vain. Remember all those videos of American citizens saying they wouldn't vote for Obama because he is Black? Those vids still exists. How about all the racist graphics that are online right now in regards to Obama and his family? What about some elected officials who made questionable racist comments about him during the election, and in his first year of office? Not to mention, some questionable comments from some media folks. It's neverending.

of the past.

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i would say we need to file motion to state that Gordon Warren Epperly can't be president because his is a jack ass and only humans can be president! but why insult the jack asses?

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PANDURITO said:

noimageatall said:

I've seen the same things.

And why liberal progressive people like you both would frequent racist conservative forums escapes me

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disbelief You clearly do not have to frequent ANYTHING when this stuff slaps you in the face every single day.

As for me...I don't make it a habit to seek out these racists. I can be searching for a pic on Google and it will take me to a site where I read the most horrible racist comments. Or right on Facebook. Right in your face...difficult to even get away from it anymore. shrug shrug shrug

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Reply #24 posted 02/26/12 6:59pm

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Dewrede said:

Doesn't the ignorant racist fool realize that indians were the first native inhabitants of the USA

The Native Americans living in the Western Hemisphere were not descendants of the original inhabitants of the Westen Hemisphere. They are the third migration into the Western Hemisphere. Like the migration before them they assimilated or annihilated the inhabitants they found here.

1492 began the fourth major migration into the Western Hemisphere.

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smoothcriminal12 said:

Graycap23 said:

Welcome 2 the good ole USA.

Land of the free. wink

.......and home of the brave (racists). disbelief

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SUPRMAN said:

Dewrede said:

Doesn't the ignorant racist fool realize that indians were the first native inhabitants of the USA

The Native Americans living in the Western Hemisphere were not descendants of the original inhabitants of the Westen Hemisphere. They are the third migration into the Western Hemisphere. Like the migration before them they assimilated or annihilated the inhabitants they found here.

1492 began the fourth major migration into the Western Hemisphere.

I googled and goodled this, but couldn't find anything substantial. Could you point me to a good source. It's a very interesting topic that I would like to know more about. Thanks.

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13cjk13 said:

SUPRMAN said:

The Native Americans living in the Western Hemisphere were not descendants of the original inhabitants of the Westen Hemisphere. They are the third migration into the Western Hemisphere. Like the migration before them they assimilated or annihilated the inhabitants they found here.

1492 began the fourth major migration into the Western Hemisphere.

I googled and goodled this, but couldn't find anything substantial. Could you point me to a good source. It's a very interesting topic that I would like to know more about. Thanks.

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Timeline of selected archaeological, geological and genetic evidence

40,000 B.C. – 25,000 B.C.
  • Paleolithic people move into Beringia across the Bering Land Bridge into western Alaska.[10][23]
  • Bison (buffalo), mammoths, and mastodons are thought to have migrated from Asia to America about this time. This would imply a land bridge between the continents that would have had a food supply.[24]
30,000–20,000 years ago:

(Note: The dates given for the Old Crow and Topper digs have not been completely accepted by the archaeology community.)[12][28]

  • Ice-free corridor running north and south through Alberta and the continental glacier called Laurentide ice sheet. Introduced by geologists in the 1950s when stone tools were found in the Grimshaw, Bow River and in Lethbridge Alberta, under glacial sand and gravel; they are believed to be pre-glacial and may indicate nomadic humans occupied the area.[29] A child's skull found in 1961 near Taber, Alberta is believed to be of one of the oldest inhabitants discovered in Alberta.[30]

(Note: The conclusions reached in Alberta on dates have not been accepted by the entire archaeology community.)[31]

  • Cambridge DNA Services estimates humans entered the Americas around 25,000 years ago.[32] Other geneticists have variously estimated that peoples of Asia and the Americas were part of the same population from about 21,000 to 42,000 years ago.[11]
  • Siberian mammoth hunters were believed to have penetrated far into the Arctic where ice-free corridors north during the time are believed found. Theory first introduced by geologists in the late 1970s when core samples indicate the ice is no older than 17,000 years old.[16]
23,000–16,500 years ago:
  • The Ice Age entombs the northern hemisphere in glaciers, cutting off routes from Siberia to the south.[33]
  • 2002 the presence of the X haplogroup was found in a small percentage of modern indigenous Americans that is known to exist in a few locations in Europe and the Middle East. Subsequent research indicated that this DNA was not the result of genetic mixing after Columbus. However, the time estimates on haplogroup X entering Americas is around 15,000 to 20,000 years ago.[34]
  • Genetic evidence (2007–2009) suggests the Beringia population's first genetic diversification from Asian populations occurred.[35] An article in the American Journal of Human Genetics states "Here we show, by using 86 complete mitochondrial genomes, that all Native Americanhaplogroups, including haplogroup X, were part of a single founding population.[11][35][36]
16,500–13,000 years ago:
  • Receding glaciers reopened an ice-free corridor through Canada between Alaska and the rest of the Americas. Massive flooding would have created large lakes covering vast areas of north America with glacial waters.[37]
  • Age estimates based on Y-chromosome micro-satellite place diversity of the so called "American Haplo" Q1a3a1 at around 10,000 to 15,000 years ago.[5]
  • Mass extinction of large fauna begins due to climate change and perhaps hunting. The Dire Wolf, Smilodon, Cave Lion, Giant beaver, Ground sloth, Mammoth, American Mastodon, American Camel, American Equine, and American lion all become extinct by 11,000 years ago.[38]
  • Pre-Clovis sites uncovered from 1973 to 1978 Meadowcroft Rockshelter in Pennsylvania site indicated occupancy as early as 16,000 years ago and possibly as long as 19,000 years ago. Dates in excess of 19,000 years have been claimed for the deepest occupation layer uncovered.[39]
  • pre-Clovis sites found in Monte Verde, located along Chinchihuapi Creek, in Chile. A crew of eighty people, led by Tom Dillehay of the University of Kentucky, excavated the site from 1977 to 1985.[40] A coastal migration could explain how people arrived in Monte Verde.[40]
  • 2000, archaeologists say people were living at Cactus Hill, Virginia where stone tools and charcoal from a fire pit are found.[41]
15,000–13,000 years ago:
  • The Taima Taima mastodon kill/butchering site in Falcon, Venezuela was first excavated by J.M. Cruxent in the 1960s and 1970s. It is one of the earliest archaeological sites that is pre-Clovis. In 1976 a broken El Jobo point (red arrow) was found inside the pubic cavity of a partially disarticulated and butchered young mastodon whose bones had been cut, with a jasper flake found near the left ulna of the animal.[42]
  • Peñon women found by an ancient lake bed near Mexico City in 1959.[43]
  • El Abra sites located in the valley east of the city of Zipaquirá, Colombia. First excavated by Gonzalo Correal and associates in the late 1970s and early 1980s. 3,072 pieces found indicate it was inhabited continuously for over 7,000 years.[44]
  • At Paisley Caves in the Cascade Range of Oregon, archaeologists find a scattering of human coprolites, or fossil feces in 2003.[45] The mitochondrial DNA extracted from coprolites linked the cave dwellers to two genetic groups of early Americans that arose 14,000 to 18,000 years ago.[45] These two genetic groups were the founding Paleo-Indians and later Na-Dené migration.[17][46]
13,500–12,000 years ago:
  • The Ice Age is ending, melting glaciers have raised sea levels 120 meters and submerged the land bridge between Alaska and Siberia. Geologic evidence indicates that by 11,500 years ago, the Cordilleran and Laurentide ice sheets had retreated far enough to open a habitable ice-free corridor between them. The exposed land was dry and probably restored enough to support plants and animals, which the migrating hunter-gatherer followed.[47]
  • Clovis theory – People were living near Clovis, New Mexico where tools from this era were found in the 1930s. This find gave rise to the widely held "Clovis First" theory that people spread through the Americas only after the Ice Age.[48] The Clovis culture was believed replaced by several more localized regional cultures, such as the Folsom tradition, from the time of the Younger Dryas cold climate period.[11]
  • Peru coastal region inhabitants fished with nets and bone hooks, collecting seafood such as crabs and sea urchins.[49]
12,000–10,000 years ago:
  • Ice age over, climate similar to present temperatures. Old migration theories believe first widespread migration in South America and subsequently a dramatic rise in population all over the Americas, introduced in the 1930s.[50]
  • The Maritimes of Canada are settled by Paleo-Indians. Sites in and around Belmont, Nova Scotia have evidence indicating small seasonal hunting camps, perhaps re-visited over many generations.[51]
  • Luzia Woman's skull and other bones excavated in the Lagoa Santa, Brazil area by French archaeologist Annette Laming-Emperaire in the 1970s.[52] By 2006, Lagoa Santa sites had produced no fewer than 75 well-preserved ancient skulls.[52]
  • 1994, University of California, Riverside anthropologist R. Erv Taylor examined seventeen of the Spirit Cave artifacts near Fallon, Nevada from the 1940s using mass spectrometry. The results indicated that a mummy was approximately 9,400–10,200 years old — older than any previously known North American mummy.[53]
  • Unique markers found in DNA recovered from an Alaskan tooth were found in specific coastal tribes, and were rare in any of the otherindigenous peoples in the Americas. This finding lends substantial credence to a migration theory that at least one set of early peoples moved south along the west coast of the Americas in boats.[54]
9,000–8,000 years ago:
  • Remains, known as Kennewick Man, are found in 1996 on the Columbia River near Kennewick, Washington. A skull and more than 300 bones and bone fragments were found at the site, making up among the oldest, best preserved, and most complete human remains ever found in North America. Initial radiocarbon dating indicated the remains were between 7,000 and 9,500 years old.[55] A leaf-shaped projectile found on the body was long, broad and had serrated edges, all fitting the definition of a Cascade point. This type of point is a feature of the Cascade phase, occurring in the archaeological record from roughly 6,000 to over 8,500 years ago.
  • 1930s-1990s no major Central American archaeological sites that go back more than 9,000 years have been found. Isolated finds of stone tools in Belize, Nicaragua and Costa Rica indicate that such sites almost certainly exist. Lack of funding for exploration in the areas has postponed likely finds.[52]
  • Tehuacan Valley of Mexico – people are living in rock shelters and using stone cooking pots, which were left in the center of the hearth. Maize was cultivated to be used in the same valley between 7,000–6,000 years ago.[56]

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...e_Americas

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While it is perhaps all but indisputable that land migration occurred over the Bering Strait, it is not conclusive that this path was the first or the only means of migration to the Americas. There are incongruities in the archaeological record when North and South America are compared. There are South American sites, including Monte Verde, which predate the North American Clovis remains by at least 1,000 years (Dillehay 1999 http://www.archaeology.or.../clovis/). These findings lend support to what has been argued to be an earlier and faster maritime migration. Furthermore, excavations across the Americas, the most recent of which unearthed coprolites in the Paisley Caves of Oregon’s Cascade Range, suggest the first Americans were a maritime culture (Thomas et al 2008). Beyond the earlier absence of the ice-free corridor — an absence which makes an earlier land-based migration virtually impossible — one of the primary clues is diet.

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A rapidly accreting body of evidence suggests that human migration into the Americas occurred much earlier than previously thought. Two distinct waves of migration have been documented with the characteristics of each dictated by the timing of the last ice age. Coastal migration was favored at the peak of the ice age when sea levels were lower and abundant seafood was available. The ancient people of Japan were known to be excellent coastal seafarers but reluctant visitors to the open sea. Sea craft during that phase of human migration were more primitive and did not support open sea migration. Siberian migration became dominant after the receding of the ice sheet and these later migrants may have replaced or assimilated the earlier migrants.

Awareness of the broad spectrum of science advancement creates the possibility that new insights will occur when overlapping discoveries validate new theories. Overspecialization within a scientific discipline may be a handicap when it comes to the big questions of humanity. Whether as scientists, scholars, or professional field archaeologists, we are all well served by maintaining a broader view of advances in many fields. Such key advances which allow a great leap forward in our own fields of expertise might occur in an isolated and seemingly unrelated discipline, such as retrovirology.

http://traumwerk.stanford...ion_t.html

http://www.sciencedaily.c...160653.htm

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BERINGIA AND TRAVEL TO THE AMERICA'S

Beringia was a land bridge between 12,000 and 13,000 years ago that was evident once glaciers in the area melted and sea levels decreased. Beringia linked up Siberia and what is now Alaska. What is disputed by scientists is what people came over to the America's, when and how. By land? By boat? Paleo-Indians are believed to have used Beringia. Much DNA evidence is pointing to the use of water travel by Asians. There is the study involving the Olmec "celt" inscriptions versus the Chinese Shang writing, which in many cases is very close. We must also remember the concept of independent invention--that humans do independently invent things.

CHINESE MIGRATION TO MEXICO, B.C.

Researchers studied Native Americans from the Navajo, Chamorro and Flathead tribes. They then determined that all three groups possess a unique type of retrovirus gene, JCV, found only in China and Japan (National Academy of Sciences, 1197). Would seem to suggest travel by boat.

VIRUS LINKS ANDES WITH JAPAN

There is a theory that South America was colonized from Asia thousands of years before any Spaniards set foot in South America. DNA from bone marrow of 1,500 year old mummies found in northern Chile was analyzed. The results show that a virus associated with adult T-cell leukemia was prevalent in native Andeans and in a small section of people from southwest Japan. The study also theorizes that the virus may have originated from paleo-Mongoloids who migrated to Japan and South America more than 10,000 years ago. No doubt that this was an mtDNA PCR study (Nature Medicine, 1999).

http://www.duerinck.com/migrate.html

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exactly. i never said i visited racist conservative forums. one doesn't have to go to the source to find garbage about the Obamas online. what i said was 'conservative ideology in online forums'. which is to say, ANY news story about the Obamas attracts the haters. they are out in full force, trashing the president and the first lady, on a daily basis. if there were a white FLOTUS dressed up in an expensive gown for the Governor's Dinner, they would be talking about how beautiful the first lady looked. but because it's michelle, here come the 'black marie anotinette' slurs. the GOP has a white, racist underbelly, plain and simple.

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And why liberal progressive people like you both would frequent racist conservative forums escapes me

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disbelief You clearly do not have to frequent ANYTHING when this stuff slaps you in the face every single day.

As for me...I don't make it a habit to seek out these racists. I can be searching for a pic on Google and it will take me to a site where I read the most horrible racist comments. Or right on Facebook. Right in your face...difficult to even get away from it anymore. shrug shrug shrug

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The Native Americans living in the Western Hemisphere were not descendants of the original inhabitants of the Westen Hemisphere. They are the third migration into the Western Hemisphere. Like the migration before them they assimilated or annihilated the inhabitants they found here.

1492 began the fourth major migration into the Western Hemisphere.

I googled and goodled this, but couldn't find anything substantial. Could you point me to a good source. It's a very interesting topic that I would like to know more about. Thanks.

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The question of when, and by whom, the Americas were first populated has exercised scholars since the idea that everyone now alive is descended from Noah was rejected in the 19th century. But until recently it was generally agreed that even though the first colonists had arrived well before Columbus, they were, in the grand scheme of things, relative latecomers. The oldest undisputed human artefacts in the Americas dated from a place called Clovis in New Mexico. They are about 11,000 years old. Homo sapiens is reckoned to have emerged in Africa as a recognisably separate species about 200,000 years ago.

Humanity would, of course, have taken a while to walk from Alaska, the obvious point of entry, to New Mexico. But the absence of any older signs of people suggested that it had done so relatively swiftly. Then an ancient settlement was discovered at Monte Verde in southern Chile. Carbon dating suggested this encampment pre-dated Clovis by at least 1,500 years. That was in 1979, but archaeologists, a notoriously conservative bunch, have only recently got round to accepting this early date, as the most modern techniques of carbon dating have confirmed it.

Having conceded an inch, however, the “Clovis police” (those who attempt to stamp out the heretical idea that mankind is long established in the Americas) are now being asked to give a mile. For the latest research suggests that America’s first-footers may have arrived as much as 40,000 years ago, and included some people who were so unusual that they do not resemble any existing group of humanity.

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Ancient peoples leave other traces behind them, not all of them buried in the soil. Johanna Nichols of the University of California, Berkeley, and Theodore Schurr of Emory University in Atlanta, Georgia, looked at some of these other kinds of evidence. In both cases, their approaches suggest that America received several groups of early immigrants, and that the first of these groups may have predated Clovis by more than 30,000 years.

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And there is another illuminating coincidence between the work of Dr Nichols and Dr Schurr. The received wisdom is that three groups of people made it across the Bering straits into North America (though the “straits” would have been dry land for at least some of these immigrants). However, both linguistic and genetic evidence suggest that much of the Pacific rim, from the Solomon islands and northern New Guinea round to the south of Chile, was settled by the descendants of a group of people who travelled exclusively along the coast. That is quite strong evidence of a fourth, previously unsuspected, migration into the Americas.

http://www.economist.com/node/604619 (Feb 19th 1998.)

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